I can treat everything in proc like a file. Like cpuinfo, or net/arp or THM/temperature. I can echo things into them to change processor speeds, networking options, etc.
Slightly more managable? You show me one time when proc corrupted simply by "being there" in a stable kernel and I'll give that assertion to you.
That's not the sort of stuff you can just "secure" by implementing an evilbit. It's a client side language. If you the webmaster wants to guarantee security to his clients, he has to secure his servers. If the clients want security from the sites, they need to secure their computers (or in your case, shut j/s off).
You're not going to stop the JS/AJAX trend, from what I can tell, and it may be a while before something supersedes it, so I'd get used to it. If not, you'll just be one of those guys whining on a forum on how everything isn't your way. Oh wait, you're almost there now...
Edgy perfectly detected and setup my nvidia 6200 + mag 19" 1440x900 combo. Fawn was a bit more picky, because it's xorg was b0rked at the time for one reason or another.
This is bogus and not worth the electrons used to write it.
Feisty is "beta", which means if you find a bug it will likely be fixed by release if you REPORT THE BUG. Which I helped do for the boot time. And some NM stuff. And some kernel stuff. And democracy player. And nvidia.
Guess what? 9/10 of those problems are solved as of a few days ago, and there's still another week before release.
The bugs are being fixed like mad now. If _any_ of you plan on running 7.04, do it now. If you report even one bug you could probably save that bug from manifesting itself for others who are less knowledgeable. You also can assure yourself that install && ostensible hardware support is there. Bugs reported now will receive a large amount of attention and will likely be fixed fast.
I just canceled mine. I've had it for 2 years and have been using it on and off. After reading above that they having been updating their CVS and confirming as much, I decided they don't need my money anymore since they've become a proprietary software vendor.
The plain and simple fact is that this should have never happened. There should be *authentication* mechanisms in place to prevent logins from seeing any more than exactly their information. Anything beyond that is absurd and screams to be insulted.
In security its never a question of where or how far advanced a public/wild an exploit is, it's if the potential exists. Anything else is damage control, and that's what you're attempting to do.
Every few Sundays Circuit City will print in their flyer that they will give away vouchers at 9:00AM (1 hour prior to opening). I actually made it to CC one of those Sundays but it was snowing awfully hard and saw a line of ~10 people. I read later that the supplies that day were averaging ~12 a store. Missing that opportunity was my own fault.
If you get the Post, check the CC flyers, otherwise, google about for circuit city wii flyers.
you mean you let apt upgrade your kernel automatically? that's not just lazy and slobbish, that's cretinously negligent.
ORLY? Tell me, after I've tested the updates on my lab servers, and considering a update is only a backport of a fix, how could it possibly be negligent? Oh, I see, it's not really, you just didn't want to admit that when compiling your own kernel it's a very very bad idea to consider updating all of your machines manually when a new one comes out.
the main reason to compile custom kernels for machines is not for size or speed, it's so that you, as sysadmin, know exactly what is compiled into that kernel. Oh yeah, I forgot that 'less/boot/config-$version' didn't work.
Listen, you can compile your kernels all you want, I'm not saying it's bad. I am, however, saying it's a waste of time and you have yet to refute that. The onus is on you to prove otherwise since you're preaching about how it's such a good idea.
I'm glad to see all of this constructive criticism you offer. Indeed, it's also a sight for sore eyes that you've masterfully created a distribution above and beyond the stability and predictability that debian provides. Not only that, but you've kept it free and you promise to keep it free. If only other groups could so finely establish their principles and stick by them.
Oh wait! You haven't done any of this. Instead, you just bitch about something you're jealous of. You hate the fact that an OS can promise "free" and always deliver. You can't stand that stable really does mean stable. Apt-get? It bothers the shit out of you that a package manager just works. People that contribute to debian? You can't imagine that people would contribute back to a community.
It's called debian stable. It should use stable, tested features. Enabling experimental features and not doing exhaustive testing puts this kernel release directly into the "amateur" camp, which is sad because Debian is a mainstay.
Do you not understand? Exhaustive testing is done by YOU! and me, and the original poster who seems to have accomplished the epitome of bad administration. It's our job to try and break the betas, alphas and RCs. It's our fault if the final release doesn't work with our exotic setup. It's amazing how the concept of Linux escapes some people. Linux is us. Us is Linux. IOW: We have seen the enemy, and he is us.
It's labeled experimental for a reason. That means don't use it in production because it may change and if it is not currently broken, it probably will be later.
No, it means that the code looks good, everything seems reasonable, but we were unable to account for anything more than 99.9% of things. If you think you're outside of 2+ standard devations, please be cautious when trying this option. If your machine isn't anything funky, you'll be just fine.
And frankly I am tired of seeing the argument of "better than windows". Well, whoop de fucking shit. Windows 2000 is by all reports a better operating system than Vista (in terms of doing what you want it to do) but I wouldn't use either to operate a nuclear power plant. Besides, the EULA forbits it. Explicitly.
Guess I struck a chord. I'll leave Windows out of this, then.
The problem is the fact that a "ctrl-t" in Epiphany doesn't give you the focus on the address bar. I swear the devs set it up that way so they could see how many people would throw chairs. This is by far the most annoying UI issue I've _ever_ run across, and I used to use GAIM!
Why would someone open a new tab and NOT go somewhere with that new tab? It's this kind of stupid shit that will eventually drive me away from gnome.
WTF?? It's a.0 release. This means there have been MAJOR (Repeat: MAJOR) changes. Despite having been in RC Status for some time, bugs WILL still leak through, and the initial wave of upgrades will certainly be hit by a few. Check the mailing list for every single debian release. Shit happens.
If you think the debian release team owes you a favor, good luck.
p.s. debian stable can get fixes outside of security, but only for high priority bugs dealing with data loss and the like.
p.p.s. you speak of "experimental" in the kernel with a negative connotation. Normally, "experimental" in the kernel means "a helluva lot more stable than what comes out of redmond". Do you understand the process code has to go through to make it into a vanilla kernel? It's pretty much past late RC stage.
I think you're trolling, you can count the number of servers you admin on one hand, or you're inexperienced. You might say it's because I'm a lazy slob, I might say it's because I have several hundred machines. While groups of them are the same (6 here, 12 there, etc.), it'd be absurd to even consider what you're suggesting - not to mention the insanity a security update could bring.
It's not that simple. If they got the first key, it's pretty likely they'll get the second, third, etc. The inconvenience of always having to flash, + the failure rate of these flashes doesn't make for a very good experience.
The process of you assembling those blocks was inefficient and took far more energy from you than you'll ever get back out of them. Think of a tea cup, or coffee cup. The process of making one is quite long and takes quite a bit of energy to get smooth, paint, finish, etc. Then, within a few years of you owning it, you drop it on the floor shattering it. It took very little energy to disorganize compared to the energy it took to assemble.
Things always take more to arrange, which is to say, arranging costs more energy than leaving things as is. Alas, the second law still didn't get me out of cleaning my room.
You're somehow implying that Windows doesn't have problems that extend into several day shitfests. Show me a video that works in the default install of XP, and I'll show you two that do not. Show me one that doesn't in linux, and I'll show you two that do. You'll get nowhere with your strawmans about hypothetical video cards. There are lists of cards that do not work with linux. There are lists of cards that do work with linux. If you step out of those bounds, you have no ground to stand on.
The company doesn't care, they buy whatever PC Dell/HP/IBM are shipping this month in the knowledge that it'll work in Windows. They're not going to spend weeks ensuring that they're getting something for which Linux drivers exist. Yet they can go through the normal supporting windows phases, from SP2 on XP to the $4000 patch of their exchange servers, right? How about the expensive 3rd party apps?
Since you're a manager, I'll give it to you that you don't know much about computers, but you've been watching too many of Microsoft's "Windows vs Linux" comparisons.
Well, first of all, the default copy and paste shortcuts are absurd. I don't care if I can change them (Can I?), because usually putty's the quick and easy connect.
Second, there are no tabs. Even if you have a single server, you need multiple tabs. I have, generally, 20-30 tabs open at any given time in gnome-terminal, konsole or securecrt.
Third, there's no scroll buffer history configurability. You usually can't even have a full dmesg in it's history. Lame.
I'm sure there are many more, I've just forgotten them by now because I don't waste my time with putty. It truly is the "For someone who doesn't know any different" app. It implies that the person using it has no problem being the slowest, most massively inefficient cmd line user I know.
I've been doing this for some time and thought it was typical. Based on your responses you've become these guys' hero. I must say I am of the same opinion as you. Currently I have a couple dozen bookmarks up there. It really sucks when you get a site that doesn't use a favico, though.
For those who can't get the favico to come up, go to the page, bookmark it and click the bookmark you just made. The icon should now appear.
So then they can fish, right? Or trap rabbits? Perhaps walk a few hundred miles north (or south) to get to a better habitat? Shit, you'd wonder how our fucking ancestors did anything, since our current population just bitches about the world owing them a goddamned favor. There's no guarantee of food - there never has been, and I doubt there will be. If you don't like the fact that there's no food, go somewhere where there is food - or suffer the hand of natural selection and die.
Yeah, big brother. I like it because it uses tcp port 1984. Very funny. Anyway, the interface isn't beautiful, but that's not what guys like me are after. With just one page I can quickly ascertain the status of my network as a whole. Depending on how you lay it out, you can have groups/groups of groups or everything on one page.
I like it mostly because of the speed. With several thousand servers, nagios and many other snmp-like monitoring tools start dying a horrible death unless you do things spectacularly kludgey. As mentioned, I also love the rrd integration.
You might find yourself being a fan of the icons, too:
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I can treat everything in proc like a file. Like cpuinfo, or net/arp or THM/temperature. I can echo things into them to change processor speeds, networking options, etc.
Slightly more managable? You show me one time when proc corrupted simply by "being there" in a stable kernel and I'll give that assertion to you.
/etc. It's called /etc.
If your distro doesnt put config files there, ditch it and get one that's worth a shit.
Linux is files. The entire OS is based on files. Things to run on startup? Files. Opening hard drives? Files. Drivers? Files. (kernel mods)
No magical black box registry, windows drivers, etc. Once you understand this, other things will come easier.
That's not the sort of stuff you can just "secure" by implementing an evilbit. It's a client side language. If you the webmaster wants to guarantee security to his clients, he has to secure his servers. If the clients want security from the sites, they need to secure their computers (or in your case, shut j/s off).
You're not going to stop the JS/AJAX trend, from what I can tell, and it may be a while before something supersedes it, so I'd get used to it. If not, you'll just be one of those guys whining on a forum on how everything isn't your way. Oh wait, you're almost there now...
Edgy perfectly detected and setup my nvidia 6200 + mag 19" 1440x900 combo. Fawn was a bit more picky, because it's xorg was b0rked at the time for one reason or another.
This is bogus and not worth the electrons used to write it.
Feisty is "beta", which means if you find a bug it will likely be fixed by release if you REPORT THE BUG. Which I helped do for the boot time. And some NM stuff. And some kernel stuff. And democracy player. And nvidia.
Guess what?
9/10 of those problems are solved as of a few days ago, and there's still another week before release.
The bugs are being fixed like mad now. If _any_ of you plan on running 7.04, do it now. If you report even one bug you could probably save that bug from manifesting itself for others who are less knowledgeable. You also can assure yourself that install && ostensible hardware support is there. Bugs reported now will receive a large amount of attention and will likely be fixed fast.
why on earth does it take that long?
One word: java
I just canceled mine. I've had it for 2 years and have been using it on and off. After reading above that they having been updating their CVS and confirming as much, I decided they don't need my money anymore since they've become a proprietary software vendor.
...Smoke and mirrors comment...
The plain and simple fact is that this should have never happened. There should be *authentication* mechanisms in place to prevent logins from seeing any more than exactly their information. Anything beyond that is absurd and screams to be insulted.
In security its never a question of where or how far advanced a public/wild an exploit is, it's if the potential exists. Anything else is damage control, and that's what you're attempting to do.
Every few Sundays Circuit City will print in their flyer that they will give away vouchers at 9:00AM (1 hour prior to opening). I actually made it to CC one of those Sundays but it was snowing awfully hard and saw a line of ~10 people. I read later that the supplies that day were averaging ~12 a store. Missing that opportunity was my own fault.
If you get the Post, check the CC flyers, otherwise, google about for circuit city wii flyers.
Also, as mentioned above, try http://www.itrackr.com/home.aspx
you mean you let apt upgrade your kernel automatically? that's not just lazy and slobbish, that's cretinously negligent.
/boot/config-$version' didn't work.
ORLY? Tell me, after I've tested the updates on my lab servers, and considering a update is only a backport of a fix, how could it possibly be negligent? Oh, I see, it's not really, you just didn't want to admit that when compiling your own kernel it's a very very bad idea to consider updating all of your machines manually when a new one comes out.
the main reason to compile custom kernels for machines is not for size or speed, it's so that you, as sysadmin, know exactly what is compiled into that kernel.
Oh yeah, I forgot that 'less
Listen, you can compile your kernels all you want, I'm not saying it's bad. I am, however, saying it's a waste of time and you have yet to refute that. The onus is on you to prove otherwise since you're preaching about how it's such a good idea.
I'm glad to see all of this constructive criticism you offer. Indeed, it's also a sight for sore eyes that you've masterfully created a distribution above and beyond the stability and predictability that debian provides. Not only that, but you've kept it free and you promise to keep it free. If only other groups could so finely establish their principles and stick by them.
Oh wait! You haven't done any of this. Instead, you just bitch about something you're jealous of. You hate the fact that an OS can promise "free" and always deliver. You can't stand that stable really does mean stable. Apt-get? It bothers the shit out of you that a package manager just works. People that contribute to debian? You can't imagine that people would contribute back to a community.
It's cool to hate.
It's called debian stable. It should use stable, tested features. Enabling experimental features and not doing exhaustive testing puts this kernel release directly into the "amateur" camp, which is sad because Debian is a mainstay.
Do you not understand? Exhaustive testing is done by YOU! and me, and the original poster who seems to have accomplished the epitome of bad administration. It's our job to try and break the betas, alphas and RCs. It's our fault if the final release doesn't work with our exotic setup. It's amazing how the concept of Linux escapes some people. Linux is us. Us is Linux. IOW: We have seen the enemy, and he is us.
It's labeled experimental for a reason. That means don't use it in production because it may change and if it is not currently broken, it probably will be later.
No, it means that the code looks good, everything seems reasonable, but we were unable to account for anything more than 99.9% of things. If you think you're outside of 2+ standard devations, please be cautious when trying this option. If your machine isn't anything funky, you'll be just fine.
And frankly I am tired of seeing the argument of "better than windows". Well, whoop de fucking shit. Windows 2000 is by all reports a better operating system than Vista (in terms of doing what you want it to do) but I wouldn't use either to operate a nuclear power plant. Besides, the EULA forbits it. Explicitly.
Guess I struck a chord. I'll leave Windows out of this, then.
The problem is the fact that a "ctrl-t" in Epiphany doesn't give you the focus on the address bar. I swear the devs set it up that way so they could see how many people would throw chairs. This is by far the most annoying UI issue I've _ever_ run across, and I used to use GAIM!
Why would someone open a new tab and NOT go somewhere with that new tab? It's this kind of stupid shit that will eventually drive me away from gnome.
WTF?? It's a .0 release. This means there have been MAJOR (Repeat: MAJOR) changes. Despite having been in RC Status for some time, bugs WILL still leak through, and the initial wave of upgrades will certainly be hit by a few. Check the mailing list for every single debian release. Shit happens.
If you think the debian release team owes you a favor, good luck.
p.s. debian stable can get fixes outside of security, but only for high priority bugs dealing with data loss and the like.
p.p.s. you speak of "experimental" in the kernel with a negative connotation. Normally, "experimental" in the kernel means "a helluva lot more stable than what comes out of redmond". Do you understand the process code has to go through to make it into a vanilla kernel? It's pretty much past late RC stage.
I think you're trolling, you can count the number of servers you admin on one hand, or you're inexperienced. You might say it's because I'm a lazy slob, I might say it's because I have several hundred machines. While groups of them are the same (6 here, 12 there, etc.), it'd be absurd to even consider what you're suggesting - not to mention the insanity a security update could bring.
It's not that simple. If they got the first key, it's pretty likely they'll get the second, third, etc. The inconvenience of always having to flash, + the failure rate of these flashes doesn't make for a very good experience.
Are you saying then that you don't need the governments support? If you don't, then decline it.
No he wouldn't. The process of burning those blocks would net some energy, but not as much as it took to make those blocks.
The process of you assembling those blocks was inefficient and took far more energy from you than you'll ever get back out of them. Think of a tea cup, or coffee cup. The process of making one is quite long and takes quite a bit of energy to get smooth, paint, finish, etc. Then, within a few years of you owning it, you drop it on the floor shattering it. It took very little energy to disorganize compared to the energy it took to assemble.
Things always take more to arrange, which is to say, arranging costs more energy than leaving things as is. Alas, the second law still didn't get me out of cleaning my room.
You're somehow implying that Windows doesn't have problems that extend into several day shitfests. Show me a video that works in the default install of XP, and I'll show you two that do not. Show me one that doesn't in linux, and I'll show you two that do. You'll get nowhere with your strawmans about hypothetical video cards. There are lists of cards that do not work with linux. There are lists of cards that do work with linux. If you step out of those bounds, you have no ground to stand on. The company doesn't care, they buy whatever PC Dell/HP/IBM are shipping this month in the knowledge that it'll work in Windows. They're not going to spend weeks ensuring that they're getting something for which Linux drivers exist. Yet they can go through the normal supporting windows phases, from SP2 on XP to the $4000 patch of their exchange servers, right? How about the expensive 3rd party apps?
Since you're a manager, I'll give it to you that you don't know much about computers, but you've been watching too many of Microsoft's "Windows vs Linux" comparisons.
Well, first of all, the default copy and paste shortcuts are absurd. I don't care if I can change them (Can I?), because usually putty's the quick and easy connect.
Second, there are no tabs. Even if you have a single server, you need multiple tabs. I have, generally, 20-30 tabs open at any given time in gnome-terminal, konsole or securecrt.
Third, there's no scroll buffer history configurability. You usually can't even have a full dmesg in it's history. Lame.
I'm sure there are many more, I've just forgotten them by now because I don't waste my time with putty. It truly is the "For someone who doesn't know any different" app. It implies that the person using it has no problem being the slowest, most massively inefficient cmd line user I know.
I've been doing this for some time and thought it was typical. Based on your responses you've become these guys' hero. I must say I am of the same opinion as you. Currently I have a couple dozen bookmarks up there. It really sucks when you get a site that doesn't use a favico, though.
For those who can't get the favico to come up, go to the page, bookmark it and click the bookmark you just made. The icon should now appear.
So then they can fish, right? Or trap rabbits? Perhaps walk a few hundred miles north (or south) to get to a better habitat? Shit, you'd wonder how our fucking ancestors did anything, since our current population just bitches about the world owing them a goddamned favor. There's no guarantee of food - there never has been, and I doubt there will be. If you don't like the fact that there's no food, go somewhere where there is food - or suffer the hand of natural selection and die.
Yeah, big brother. I like it because it uses tcp port 1984. Very funny. Anyway, the interface isn't beautiful, but that's not what guys like me are after. With just one page I can quickly ascertain the status of my network as a whole. Depending on how you lay it out, you can have groups/groups of groups or everything on one page.
I like it mostly because of the speed. With several thousand servers, nagios and many other snmp-like monitoring tools start dying a horrible death unless you do things spectacularly kludgey. As mentioned, I also love the rrd integration.
You might find yourself being a fan of the icons, too:
http://www.hswn.dk/hobbit/gifs/red-recent.gif
For all of the things I shouldn't be laughing about when I see a "red", it always gets a chuckle from me.