If you have data on there you need, and 4 years down the road and the place you bought the drives from says "Hey man, we don't stock those 250s anymore. They're ancient history, but we'll sell you this 2TB ZATA drive." you'll be screwed. You might be able to pick one up on ebay. If you bought it from sun + contract, you get the same geometry drive in less than 4 hours.
I'm just as suprised as you are. Try sshing to an ubuntu box and running any tightly integrated gnome app. You'll get "Startup failed because of the following error: Unable to determine the address of the message bus"
Unfortunately, Gnome is moving a lot of its apps to use DBUS, which I do not believe is compatible with XForwarding. Newer versions of Epiphany and similiar gnome applications simply do not work across an SSH tunnel. I've looked for workarounds, but it seems none exist.
I wouldn't be suprised if gnucash takes the same path in the future.
The original poster clearly said that the included proxy support would not properly authenticate with the MS proxy. Even though it said it would (ie. they advertised that they supported said authentication with said proxy.) So the solution ended up being that a second proxy was brought in. The redhat update code talked to that proxy. That proxy did the proper thing and authenticated with the MS proxy. And thus they were able to download the updates.
Wrong. The reading comprehension problem appears to be on your side. Look:
His original words: "I found a small perl script on SourceForge which did the authentication for me, providing a "localhost proxy server" and was able to patch the newly installed server."
Your words: "That proxy did the proper thing and authenticated with the MS proxy."
Why you're wrong: He didn't say the RH boxes talked to the perl script which in turn talked to the MS proxy which then talked to the RHN server. You're making shit up.
You think they could just hire one guy who may be able to put some readline support in there so it could get with the times.
Readline. Hmm. Must think hard. Hmm. Is...is...does..that have something to do with a cmd line? I'm not sure, it sure as hell seems like it. Oh wait! Yes! It does deal with a cmd line! Eureka! Incompetent? Judge not...
sqlplus replacements Oh really? Oh yes look at that. I can put a third party program on my server. I need to do this because Oracle can't pull an employee away from programming "Oracle's Java bloatfest 2007" for 40 hours to get a program written in 1992 up to speed with 2006. Besides, we're talking about Oracle here, remember? We're not talking about third parties. We're not talking about unofficial fixes.
The next time you see the issues involved with a patch, try to actually read them and see which ones apply to your instance. Thousands of other DBAs get along just fine installing patches.
Yeah, I do read the ones that apply to my instance. After say, about the 18th one, I get a little fed up because I have 3 notebook pages full of what issues the latest 'Patch' causes. 'Patch', my ass. More like a clusterfuck, here mister customer test this patch for us on your production instance shitfest. Maybe the security monkey is typing those fuckers up too? Maybe Larry's entire Oracle staff just stands around and suck each others' dicks all day? They clearly aren't doing much to improve other things.
I see you happened to ignore my other points too. Aren't I wrong on those as well? Oh please tell me, does worrying about the security of my oracle installation make me more incompetent? Please, elaborate. You're oh, so wise Mr. AC.
Umm? Because you want security updates? Maybe you want a nice cli interface? Maybe a good connection scheme with a lightweight protocol and lightweight binaries? Perhaps you like word free(No thanks, I don't want to have a $20000 bill when I reach my 4gb limit)?
Maybe you want a good db that most applications have nice integration for?
Did it work with a native connection? Yes. Does it work with standard proxies with open specs/source? Yes. Does it work with a hacked together proxy with unpredictable behaviour that doesn't adhere to standards? No. Have done some hacks to get it partially working? Yes, but it doesn't always work because MS won't work with us to help us identify the problem and they're specs aren't open so we can't exactly know what we're dealing with.
That's not a gray area. That's clearly black and white.
What do you expect the TS guy to say?
"Yeah, sure, we'll get on reverse engineering this product some more so your three computers can connect to our update servers. Clearly it's our burden to help you connect your servers to your internet connection in a sane way. After we're done helping you sir, you can even come over to my house and fuck my sister!"
You actually thought the MS stuff was working well and you thought the onus was on RH to fix it? You then preceded to do a workaround using a different proxy which actually did work with the connection, and you _still_ blame RH for not being able to fix your MS problem? RH had a workaround for MS's broken proxy server, which they probably had to reverse engineer and it probably worked for the lion's share of people, and you still blame RH?
What exactly do you think they were at fault for? Not reverse engineering and subsequently working around MS's broken code enough?
I'm not terribly impressed with RH either, but that's a little over the top, don't you think?
Thanks for that. You might want to check out Tora: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tora/. Good project, a linux Toad-like app. Works well with Xforwarding.
And I categorize that setup as a POS because I see it every day. I have extensive experience troubleshooting the broken postfix/mysql setup even though neither RedHat or the company I work for offer support for it.
So it's a POS because you see it every day? That makes a lot of sense. Way to go there captain logic.
So why even release and upgrade? When I hear "upgrade" I think "upgrade". I realize and fully expect some bugs from extraordinary circumstances, but Oracle's taking it way too far.
I actually mentioned minor versions. A quick check through metalink reveals dozens of bugs introduced by patches. Patches!!! Patches are supposed to be fixes for bugs, not bugs for fixes.
I'd go out on a limb and say that Oracle (the product) has a hard time keeping up with the backend database of bugs. I've worked with oracle for a number of years, and I've been in involved with OSS for longer. I know a kludged, ill planned, feature-bloated, non-coordinated product when I see one, and Oracle takes the cake.
Toad? Sql Developer? Didn't I mention command line? Twit. Incompetent? Why, because I read metalink and see the 50+ bugs introduced by a patch and decided to wait a while to install it? Fuck you.
Like big is good? I don't know how many employees Oracle has, but I can say this: The number of employees in a company is not related to how good the support and/or products are.
Let me count the ways:
I'd venture to guess more than 3/4 of its technical staff is dedicated to writing useless bug-ridden java guis (each requiring differing versions of java) with absolutely no interoperability between them. None of them can be scripted and they're all pieces of shit.
And let's not start with sqlplus. You think they could just hire one guy who may be able to put some readline support in there so it could get with the times.
Another good example is security. How many employees does oracle have dedicated to their security team? I'd venture to guess they have one monkey. Not even a person. Do I need to bring up the unpatched vulnerabilities that are hundreds of days old?
Now how about bug fixing? Anyone ever upgrade a production Oracle instance? No? You know why? Because you fucking can't. You have to wait until the latest patch has at least 1 year of testing because upgrades, even minor bug fixes, break in spectacular ways. So, because noone installs them, there's never any testing.
Well if you don't play sports sims, racers and FPSes, what the hell else is there to play online? An MMORPG?
You can even play joust (old school) online with XBL.
The best games for XBL 360 so far are COD2 and Chromehounds. Both excellent games with excellent online support. It appears that Chromehounds will soon be a very popular online game (Released on Jul 11th).
the same is achieved if insightful and interesting posts get pushed up to 5, then setting the threshold to 5 or 4 will actually be useful.
Not really. If the troll/flamebait/useless posts make it below 0, then that's actually a penalty to their account. The user might even find it to be a penalty and consider not doing it again. On the other hand, just giving good posts a mod up doesn't penalize the useless comments, over time it it just raises the threshold you have to use for viewing reasonable/. comments. Also almost all informative/insightful comments don't make it to +5 or even +4 most of the time, and I don't think the men behind the curtains are willing to give out enough mod points for such a thing.
The "space program" doesn't end in 2010, the "shuttle program" is scheduled to be over in 2010. Folks are working on other vehicles to take over. Also yes, other countries (Russia) can make trips to the ISS also.
So later on down in the article (I know, I know, I read it), it says there are 16 missions left, all having something to do with the ISS. What are these 16 missions going to accomplish? What happens if the 16 are not completed by 2010, when the space program ends? Do other country's programs take over? What happens after that, what's the plan for supplying, repairing, etc, to the ISS?
xfs_force_shutdown(sdb1,0x8) called from line 1088 of file fs/xfs/xfs_trans.c. Return address = 0xf8c3043b Filesystem "sdb1": Corruption of in-memory data detected. Shutting down filesystem: sdb1 Please umount the filesystem, and rectify the problem(s)
Last week on a debian sarge box runing 2.6.8 while setting up a file system on a box that built, ran and read from ext3 just fine. A format and reinstall of the 400GB array got XFS working on the second try.
This was minutes after creating the partition and in the process of making 3 million 4k files.
After doing it the second time, it's created the files and hasn't crashed yet (crosses fingers).
The only way I would consider donating to the project is if they'd remove Java from the the default setup. It's like those annoying M$ office features that you need to go shut off after a fresh install. I realize it's just a checkbox, but you'd think the free, open source software org. would expend a little more effort to rid their software of slow, proprietary bloatware. I, among numerous other people, have asked for them to remove java, but they will not.
Other than that, the software is worth a download if abiword doesn't float your boat. Until they actively work on the slowness and non-free portions of their code, I'll stick with abiword and gnumeric.
I had a downtown highrise apartment in Denver. Underground secure parking, gym, balcony, water, trash, 1000sqft @ $755/month 18 months ago. The prices haven't risen much since then. I'm not denying what you're saying, but there's probably other places that aren't so bad for less.
SUVs weigh more, up to 20-30% more. If the wear on the road is relative to the size, which I believe most of it is, then a road carrying only suvs needs maintenance more often than a road carrying soley cars. If you don't believe me that road wear is relative to size, I encourage you to drive on the interstate past North Platte, NE, USA - a very popular site for truckers. The grooves in the roads are like rails, they'll slaughter your tires.
Also, I'm sure that the whole "environment" thing you're talking about is something to do with global warming considering your ice age comment. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and not tie global warming into this - follow this logic for a second:
Burning fossil fuels -> releases pollutants Burning more fossil fuels -> releases more pollutants
Vehicle that gets 32 MPG (My Audi A4) -> Pollutes at a x rate. Vehicle that gets 16 MPG (An SUV) -> Pollutes at 2(x) +/- 10% rate.
Pollutants == That yellow stuff in the sky - or, that _lack_ of sky.
Whoa time out. A combined income of 60K, an 840Sq ft apartment, and you don't have any money? I can't imagine that rent being more than $1k/month. That leaves a whopping ~$2000 in take home pay at the end of every month. Student loans, car payments, cc payments, cell phones, cable + internet, monthly easynews subscription can't all add up to more than ~$1k. How is it you don't have any money?
Maybe I'm making some insane assumptions, and forgive me if I am, but you shouldn't be even close to broke at those numbers.
There are plenty of concrete predictions made in bible, unfortunately people didn't believe them until they happened so they didn't promote them. Now that they have happened they are nothing new.
Concrete? Like the sun rises and the sun sets? What else?
First thing is that Jews will be scattered, and in the final days they will be gathered around the earth back to israel and all nations between ethiopia and persia will go together a war against Israel...
This is nothing more than some bs some tarot card reading psychic would tell you. Of course they're going to scatter. Oh, now back to israel you say? Nope. I still see some jews in New York. Oh look, there are some in Alaska, Brazil, London, Japan and Australia too. Guess it didn't quite come true, did it?
Thats one prediction that has happened. Unfortunately for us all God didn't put dates in which the predictions would come true.
Oh yes, because god wrote the bible, right? All of those revisions, removals of chapters, insertions of chapters, spin offs and forks are all god's will, right?
There is another point, while the God theory isn't good alone.
Not good alone? I can't imagine.
Its just that the new testament was written off a public figure in a time when people who lived through its happenings. The it would of been bullshitting the movement that was called christianity after wards wouldn't of survived its first few decades.
I'm sorry, I don't understand this. I even tried to put it through my bullshit removing machine, and it failed.
These are few points made by an ex-atheist historian who tried to falsify bible based on historical context, he failed and became christian
ORLY? So like some dude thought it'd lend him more credence if he could say he was aetheist then turned christian. Turns out I know a few christians who became atheist/agnostic, does that cancel out your anecdote?
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If you have data on there you need, and 4 years down the road and the place you bought the drives from says "Hey man, we don't stock those 250s anymore. They're ancient history, but we'll sell you this 2TB ZATA drive." you'll be screwed. You might be able to pick one up on ebay.
If you bought it from sun + contract, you get the same geometry drive in less than 4 hours.
I'm just as suprised as you are. Try sshing to an ubuntu box and running any tightly integrated gnome app. You'll get "Startup failed because of the following error:
Unable to determine the address of the message bus"
Unfortunately, Gnome is moving a lot of its apps to use DBUS, which I do not believe is compatible with XForwarding. Newer versions of Epiphany and similiar gnome applications simply do not work across an SSH tunnel. I've looked for workarounds, but it seems none exist.
I wouldn't be suprised if gnucash takes the same path in the future.
The original poster clearly said that the included proxy support would not properly authenticate with the MS proxy. Even though it said it would (ie. they advertised that they supported said authentication with said proxy.) So the solution ended up being that a second proxy was brought in. The redhat update code talked to that proxy. That proxy did the proper thing and authenticated with the MS proxy. And thus they were able to download the updates.
Wrong. The reading comprehension problem appears to be on your side. Look:
His original words: "I found a small perl script on SourceForge which did the authentication for me, providing a "localhost proxy server" and was able to patch the newly installed server."
Your words: "That proxy did the proper thing and authenticated with the MS proxy."
Why you're wrong: He didn't say the RH boxes talked to the perl script which in turn talked to the MS proxy which then talked to the RHN server. You're making shit up.
You think they could just hire one guy who may be able to put some readline support in there so it could get with the times.
Readline. Hmm. Must think hard. Hmm. Is...is...does..that have something to do with a cmd line? I'm not sure, it sure as hell seems like it. Oh wait! Yes! It does deal with a cmd line! Eureka! Incompetent? Judge not...
sqlplus replacements
Oh really? Oh yes look at that. I can put a third party program on my server. I need to do this because Oracle can't pull an employee away from programming "Oracle's Java bloatfest 2007" for 40 hours to get a program written in 1992 up to speed with 2006. Besides, we're talking about Oracle here, remember? We're not talking about third parties. We're not talking about unofficial fixes.
The next time you see the issues involved with a patch, try to actually read them and see which ones apply to your instance. Thousands of other DBAs get along just fine installing patches.
Yeah, I do read the ones that apply to my instance. After say, about the 18th one, I get a little fed up because I have 3 notebook pages full of what issues the latest 'Patch' causes. 'Patch', my ass. More like a clusterfuck, here mister customer test this patch for us on your production instance shitfest. Maybe the security monkey is typing those fuckers up too? Maybe Larry's entire Oracle staff just stands around and suck each others' dicks all day? They clearly aren't doing much to improve other things.
I see you happened to ignore my other points too. Aren't I wrong on those as well? Oh please tell me, does worrying about the security of my oracle installation make me more incompetent? Please, elaborate. You're oh, so wise Mr. AC.
Umm? Because you want security updates? Maybe you want a nice cli interface? Maybe a good connection scheme with a lightweight protocol and lightweight binaries? Perhaps you like word free(No thanks, I don't want to have a $20000 bill when I reach my 4gb limit)?
Maybe you want a good db that most applications have nice integration for?
Did it work with a native connection? Yes.
Does it work with standard proxies with open specs/source? Yes.
Does it work with a hacked together proxy with unpredictable behaviour that doesn't adhere to standards? No.
Have done some hacks to get it partially working? Yes, but it doesn't always work because MS won't work with us to help us identify the problem and they're specs aren't open so we can't exactly know what we're dealing with.
That's not a gray area. That's clearly black and white.
What do you expect the TS guy to say?
"Yeah, sure, we'll get on reverse engineering this product some more so your three computers can connect to our update servers. Clearly it's our burden to help you connect your servers to your internet connection in a sane way. After we're done helping you sir, you can even come over to my house and fuck my sister!"
You actually thought the MS stuff was working well and you thought the onus was on RH to fix it? You then preceded to do a workaround using a different proxy which actually did work with the connection, and you _still_ blame RH for not being able to fix your MS problem? RH had a workaround for MS's broken proxy server, which they probably had to reverse engineer and it probably worked for the lion's share of people, and you still blame RH?
What exactly do you think they were at fault for? Not reverse engineering and subsequently working around MS's broken code enough?
I'm not terribly impressed with RH either, but that's a little over the top, don't you think?
Btw, to the GP, I haven't used it, but I've heard good things about YASQL: http://sourceforge.net/projects/yasql/
Thanks for that. You might want to check out Tora: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tora/. Good project, a linux Toad-like app. Works well with Xforwarding.
And I categorize that setup as a POS because I see it every day. I have extensive experience troubleshooting the broken postfix/mysql setup even though neither RedHat or the company I work for offer support for it.
So it's a POS because you see it every day? That makes a lot of sense. Way to go there captain logic.
So why even release and upgrade? When I hear "upgrade" I think "upgrade". I realize and fully expect some bugs from extraordinary circumstances, but Oracle's taking it way too far.
I actually mentioned minor versions. A quick check through metalink reveals dozens of bugs introduced by patches. Patches!!! Patches are supposed to be fixes for bugs, not bugs for fixes.
I'd go out on a limb and say that Oracle (the product) has a hard time keeping up with the backend database of bugs. I've worked with oracle for a number of years, and I've been in involved with OSS for longer. I know a kludged, ill planned, feature-bloated, non-coordinated product when I see one, and Oracle takes the cake.
Toad? Sql Developer? Didn't I mention command line? Twit.
Incompetent? Why, because I read metalink and see the 50+ bugs introduced by a patch and decided to wait a while to install it? Fuck you.
Like big is good? I don't know how many employees Oracle has, but I can say this: The number of employees in a company is not related to how good the support and/or products are.
Let me count the ways:
I'd venture to guess more than 3/4 of its technical staff is dedicated to writing useless bug-ridden java guis (each requiring differing versions of java) with absolutely no interoperability between them. None of them can be scripted and they're all pieces of shit.
And let's not start with sqlplus. You think they could just hire one guy who may be able to put some readline support in there so it could get with the times.
Another good example is security. How many employees does oracle have dedicated to their security team? I'd venture to guess they have one monkey. Not even a person. Do I need to bring up the unpatched vulnerabilities that are hundreds of days old?
Now how about bug fixing? Anyone ever upgrade a production Oracle instance? No? You know why? Because you fucking can't. You have to wait until the latest patch has at least 1 year of testing because upgrades, even minor bug fixes, break in spectacular ways. So, because noone installs them, there's never any testing.
Well if you don't play sports sims, racers and FPSes, what the hell else is there to play online? An MMORPG?
You can even play joust (old school) online with XBL.
The best games for XBL 360 so far are COD2 and Chromehounds. Both excellent games with excellent online support. It appears that Chromehounds will soon be a very popular online game (Released on Jul 11th).
the same is achieved if insightful and interesting posts get pushed up to 5, then setting the threshold to 5 or 4 will actually be useful.
/. comments. Also almost all informative/insightful comments don't make it to +5 or even +4 most of the time, and I don't think the men behind the curtains are willing to give out enough mod points for such a thing.
Not really. If the troll/flamebait/useless posts make it below 0, then that's actually a penalty to their account. The user might even find it to be a penalty and consider not doing it again. On the other hand, just giving good posts a mod up doesn't penalize the useless comments, over time it it just raises the threshold you have to use for viewing reasonable
The "space program" doesn't end in 2010, the "shuttle program" is scheduled to be over in 2010. Folks are working on other vehicles to take over. Also yes, other countries (Russia) can make trips to the ISS also.
Yeah, my bad. I meant the shuttle program.
So later on down in the article (I know, I know, I read it), it says there are 16 missions left, all having something to do with the ISS. What are these 16 missions going to accomplish? What happens if the 16 are not completed by 2010, when the space program ends? Do other country's programs take over? What happens after that, what's the plan for supplying, repairing, etc, to the ISS?
This was minutes after creating the partition and in the process of making 3 million 4k files.
After doing it the second time, it's created the files and hasn't crashed yet (crosses fingers).
And it's kinda difficult to consistently profit with it.
The only way I would consider donating to the project is if they'd remove Java from the the default setup. It's like those annoying M$ office features that you need to go shut off after a fresh install. I realize it's just a checkbox, but you'd think the free, open source software org. would expend a little more effort to rid their software of slow, proprietary bloatware. I, among numerous other people, have asked for them to remove java, but they will not.
Other than that, the software is worth a download if abiword doesn't float your boat. Until they actively work on the slowness and non-free portions of their code, I'll stick with abiword and gnumeric.
I had a downtown highrise apartment in Denver. Underground secure parking, gym, balcony, water, trash, 1000sqft @ $755/month 18 months ago. The prices haven't risen much since then. I'm not denying what you're saying, but there's probably other places that aren't so bad for less.
SUVs weigh more, up to 20-30% more. If the wear on the road is relative to the size, which I believe most of it is, then a road carrying only suvs needs maintenance more often than a road carrying soley cars. If you don't believe me that road wear is relative to size, I encourage you to drive on the interstate past North Platte, NE, USA - a very popular site for truckers. The grooves in the roads are like rails, they'll slaughter your tires.
Also, I'm sure that the whole "environment" thing you're talking about is something to do with global warming considering your ice age comment. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and not tie global warming into this - follow this logic for a second:
Burning fossil fuels -> releases pollutants
Burning more fossil fuels -> releases more pollutants
Vehicle that gets 32 MPG (My Audi A4) -> Pollutes at a x rate.
Vehicle that gets 16 MPG (An SUV) -> Pollutes at 2(x) +/- 10% rate.
Pollutants == That yellow stuff in the sky - or, that _lack_ of sky.
Whoa time out. A combined income of 60K, an 840Sq ft apartment, and you don't have any money? I can't imagine that rent being more than $1k/month. That leaves a whopping ~$2000 in take home pay at the end of every month. Student loans, car payments, cc payments, cell phones, cable + internet, monthly easynews subscription can't all add up to more than ~$1k. How is it you don't have any money?
Maybe I'm making some insane assumptions, and forgive me if I am, but you shouldn't be even close to broke at those numbers.
What the hell are you smoking?
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There are plenty of concrete predictions made in bible, unfortunately people didn't believe them until they happened so they didn't promote them. Now that they have happened they are nothing new.
Concrete? Like the sun rises and the sun sets? What else?
First thing is that Jews will be scattered, and in the final days they will be gathered around the earth back to israel and all nations between ethiopia and persia will go together a war against Israel
This is nothing more than some bs some tarot card reading psychic would tell you. Of course they're going to scatter. Oh, now back to israel you say? Nope. I still see some jews in New York. Oh look, there are some in Alaska, Brazil, London, Japan and Australia too. Guess it didn't quite come true, did it?
Thats one prediction that has happened. Unfortunately for us all God didn't put dates in which the predictions would come true.
Oh yes, because god wrote the bible, right? All of those revisions, removals of chapters, insertions of chapters, spin offs and forks are all god's will, right?
There is another point, while the God theory isn't good alone.
Not good alone? I can't imagine.
Its just that the new testament was written off a public figure in a time when people who lived through its happenings. The it would of been bullshitting the movement that was called christianity after wards wouldn't of survived its first few decades.
I'm sorry, I don't understand this. I even tried to put it through my bullshit removing machine, and it failed.
These are few points made by an ex-atheist historian who tried to falsify bible based on historical context, he failed and became christian
ORLY? So like some dude thought it'd lend him more credence if he could say he was aetheist then turned christian. Turns out I know a few christians who became atheist/agnostic, does that cancel out your anecdote?
That's funny, the easter bunny paid me a visit shortly have that post. He had huge sharp teeth and he could leap about!
http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/grail-21.htm