Space is not empty. This rotating device you describe - if you send it into space, it will come into contact with external debris, forces and energy. The winner has already been decided - entropy.
This implies that you are not a security person. If your main argument is "oh it's patched, it'se secure", you have done a day of security in your life. Some of us want stable, non-changing software for long periods of time. You know, so I don't have to go through updating foo-OS every week because my vendor can't get his shit together. Indeed, patching something does make it secure after the fact, but it doesn't help with it being secure in the first place. Apple needs to sit down, hire some GOOD programmers, and comb through their code.
That's one of the reasons people like to say Apple is secure. For remote exploits, they have a fabulous reputation of quick...
Hahaha! Hahaha! Wow, you almost got water out my nose there! Where shall I begin?
Maybe the quicktime heap overwrite from last year, that Apple refused to give attention to.
How about the MP3Concept spoof thing floating around early last year? The one apple failed to acknowledge?
Both of these allow me to get access to the computer from somewhere other than in front of it. Especially with some social engineering.
Apple's security is on par with most Linux distros Bullshit. Gentoo, Debian, Linux and Freebsd had no vulnerabilites as abusurd as "at not dropping root privileges" in years, Apple did is in Jan. In 1994, it would have been ok to let that slip by, but not any more. Solaris is a different matter..they can't seem to keep their "passwd" utility safe no matter what they do.
I count 5 exploits that are triggerable remotely. HA! I go to osvdb, search Apple, OSX and check "remote". I see 56. I don't know what you're smoking. Hell, I see 18 this year alone, and it's only June!
That's why the thing isn't riddled with bugs, has awesome security features like a time sensitive, integrity-checking Keychain, and generally has a good set of secure, default settings. Oh, you mean the awesome security like it showing you the root account is disabled, but it's not?
You guys keep saying OSX is secure, but I don't think you know what that word means. Go check out securityfocus's vulnerability DB, or better yet, go here.
Most of these are ludicrous! Look at how many remote vulnerabilities there are! Some are absurd! Didn't apple do ANY checking?
If Apple sticks with Yonah, its customers will receive pretty much the most advanced processor in Intel's lineup. On the downside, Yonah will be one of the very few Intel processors that do not support 64-bit applications.
But for things like interface Patents are pritty silly because they are often created whenever the needs arises and no genious is needed to create it just happends to do what they need it to do.
All the Apple fanboys will tell you that Apple's interfaces are pure genious and innovative and noone but apple designers would ever be able to mimic them.
I wonder what their reaction to your opinion will be.
I don't like that. Let's say I travel back in time to two days before today and I land in wet cement, leaving foot prints. However, the day before I left (Which would be the day after I arrive), the cement layer came to work in the morning and saw no foot prints. Doesn't that prevent me from traveling back, because history records show the cement was smooth?
Or...Does it allow me to 'land' back in time *only* where my landing does not affect anything in the future. Where would that be? Wouldn't my biological struture have influence on just about any environment?
Oh so time travel has now officially been falsified? If it hasn't been falisified, then there's nothing wrong with a scientist bringing it up, is there?
Yeah, you're right. Maybe we should all give up on trying to better our experiences (and hardware) and live with the "innovative" crap that these bloated, monopolist, blood thirsty companies try to shove down our throat.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but it seems to me Mozilla products (firefox & thunderbird) are the best they've been in quite some time - certainly less bloated. They're gaining momentum fast. If history can be any guide, we shouldda kicked him out of the linux community long ago!
I don't know that it's reasonable to call him an idiot for not wanting to use bloated, slow software. It sounds like you had a non-technical solution to a technical problem. It sounds like he had a more appropriate solution - using a 'better' piece of software.
Then, the flight continues on, unmanned. Everybody's happy. I think something like "Nobody onboard would care." is more appropriate, but that's just me.
Most applications take longer the first time they start on most machines (even linux!), but that's not the point. The point is that it took a LONG ASS time for it to start up! I can just as easily say it takes 20 seconds to start up openoffice for the first time on my linux box, and every time after that it takes 6 seconds.
Openoffice: A third party application that a lot of linux machines do not run.
Dashboard: An integral part of OSX that only adds to the unbearably slow performance of an unbearably slow OS.
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Space is not empty. This rotating device you describe - if you send it into space, it will come into contact with external debris, forces and energy. The winner has already been decided - entropy.
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All the bugs listed there are patched.
This implies that you are not a security person. If your main argument is "oh it's patched, it'se secure", you have done a day of security in your life. Some of us want stable, non-changing software for long periods of time. You know, so I don't have to go through updating foo-OS every week because my vendor can't get his shit together. Indeed, patching something does make it secure after the fact, but it doesn't help with it being secure in the first place. Apple needs to sit down, hire some GOOD programmers, and comb through their code.
That's one of the reasons people like to say Apple is secure. For remote exploits, they have a fabulous reputation of quick...
Hahaha! Hahaha! Wow, you almost got water out my nose there!
Where shall I begin?
Maybe the quicktime heap overwrite from last year, that Apple refused to give attention to.
How about the MP3Concept spoof thing floating around early last year? The one apple failed to acknowledge?
Both of these allow me to get access to the computer from somewhere other than in front of it. Especially with some social engineering.
Apple's security is on par with most Linux distros
Bullshit. Gentoo, Debian, Linux and Freebsd had no vulnerabilites as abusurd as "at not dropping root privileges" in years, Apple did is in Jan. In 1994, it would have been ok to let that slip by, but not any more. Solaris is a different matter..they can't seem to keep their "passwd" utility safe no matter what they do.
I count 5 exploits that are triggerable remotely.
HA!
I go to osvdb, search Apple, OSX and check "remote". I see 56. I don't know what you're smoking. Hell, I see 18 this year alone, and it's only June!
That's why the thing isn't riddled with bugs, has awesome security features like a time sensitive, integrity-checking Keychain, and generally has a good set of secure, default settings.
Oh, you mean the awesome security like it showing you the root account is disabled, but it's not?
You fanatics sure are silly.
You guys keep saying OSX is secure, but I don't think you know what that word means.
Go check out securityfocus's vulnerability DB, or better yet, go here.
Most of these are ludicrous! Look at how many remote vulnerabilities there are! Some are absurd! Didn't apple do ANY checking?
If you find one, lemme know, please.
So do I believe the average Apple astroturfer on /., or the Senior Editor for THG?
If Apple sticks with Yonah, its customers will receive pretty much the most advanced processor in Intel's lineup. On the downside, Yonah will be one of the very few Intel processors that do not support 64-bit applications.
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The opteron would be faster in about everything. Cheaper too.
clicky
Well they certainly give up their "We are on 64 bit" chant. Seeing has Conroe and Yonah are both M-based archs, apple is going nowhere.
Say hello to PXE boys!
I'm off to buy myself an Opteron.
The patent was applied for on Feb. 13th, 1996. 2001 or 1999, it still doesn't matter.
Haha, very funny. Apple can't even get a second mouse button in there, much less a scroll wheel.
But for things like interface Patents are pritty silly because they are often created whenever the needs arises and no genious is needed to create it just happends to do what they need it to do.
All the Apple fanboys will tell you that Apple's interfaces are pure genious and innovative and noone but apple designers would ever be able to mimic them.
I wonder what their reaction to your opinion will be.
Except we started using a git, and it's not quite working the way we want it to.
He says they've already got one!
I don't like that. Let's say I travel back in time to two days before today and I land in wet cement, leaving foot prints. However, the day before I left (Which would be the day after I arrive), the cement layer came to work in the morning and saw no foot prints. Doesn't that prevent me from traveling back, because history records show the cement was smooth?
Or...Does it allow me to 'land' back in time *only* where my landing does not affect anything in the future. Where would that be? Wouldn't my biological struture have influence on just about any environment?
Oh so time travel has now officially been falsified?
If it hasn't been falisified, then there's nothing wrong with a scientist bringing it up, is there?
Yeah, you're right. Maybe we should all give up on trying to better our experiences (and hardware) and live with the "innovative" crap that these bloated, monopolist, blood thirsty companies try to shove down our throat.
You're fucking insane. OSX is FAR from secure. Look at some of the ridiculous vulnerabilites that sneak out:
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Can read any file with at. (WTF APPLE!!)
Can get root by answering a DHCPREQUEST (Fucken eh, the next windows!)
You want more, visit here:
http://securityfocus.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?o=60&l
And those are just disclosed! Depending on where you look, you can usually find more undisclosed OSX sploits than Linux.
Thanks for the anecdote. Let us know when you can actually contribute.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but it seems to me Mozilla products (firefox & thunderbird) are the best they've been in quite some time - certainly less bloated. They're gaining momentum fast.
If history can be any guide, we shouldda kicked him out of the linux community long ago!
I don't know that it's reasonable to call him an idiot for not wanting to use bloated, slow software. It sounds like you had a non-technical solution to a technical problem. It sounds like he had a more appropriate solution - using a 'better' piece of software.
Then, the flight continues on, unmanned. Everybody's happy.
I think something like "Nobody onboard would care." is more appropriate, but that's just me.
We're bearly even scratching the surface!
Most applications take longer the first time they start on most machines (even linux!), but that's not the point. The point is that it took a LONG ASS time for it to start up!
I can just as easily say it takes 20 seconds to start up openoffice for the first time on my linux box, and every time after that it takes 6 seconds.
Openoffice: A third party application that a lot of linux machines do not run.
Dashboard: An integral part of OSX that only adds to the unbearably slow performance of an unbearably slow OS.