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Simple Route To Linux On The iPod
didde writes "MacWorld.com is showing users of the iPod a way to install and run Linux on their favorite portable music player. From the article: 'Imagine using your iPod and a regular old microphone to record studio-quality audio. Or sitting on a commuter train and playing Othello, Pong, Tetris, or Asteroids. All this and more is possible when you install Linux on your third-generation or earlier iPod. Best of all, one soft reset, and you're back in Apple's iPod operating system, listening to your tunes.' Sounds good to me. Now if I could just find my firewire connector..."
This is predictable news, considering Linus' main machine is a "dual 2GHz G5 (aka PowerPC 970)". (source) Mac's salvation lies with Open Source for the reason that it goes against what Microsoft stands for. At some point Apple should take a stand and support more open technologies. Linux on the iPod perhaps should be a shipping option! What if computers were 95% OPEN instead of 95% SHUT? Now that's open and shut if you ask me.
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More importantly, we need to run a web server on it. No linux installation is complete without apache and PHP on it. Now if another ipod has a browser on it, then my ipod can serve webpages to your ipod.
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Hey, no one's here.
This is not the google story I was looking for!
well? does it?
My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle...
but does it run Windows?
147 NES games on my flashcart... last's me just fine on 10 hour flights over the ocean... and better yet you can listen to your mp3cd player ... AND HAVE 200$ in your pocket!!! ;-)
Tom
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I've also seen a few linux drivers for modded devices that use the top serial port (next to the headphone port) - something the Apple firmware doesn't allow.
Question - if a device has Linux (Desktop drivers) - does that mean it could be modified to work with the iPod - just recompiling the drivers for iPodLinux?
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I'd love to be able to add On-The-Go support to my 1G iPod. Does anyone know if anyone has implemented that feature? I'd probably be interested enough to work on it myself if not.
I gues the question is moot until the audio playback support is up to snuff/can handle real-time without skipping. That and play AACs from iTMS. (Could FairKeys be used?)
Random is the New Order.
Note, however, that the current interface isn't nearly as slick as Apple's, and that audio playback and recording is still a bit glitchy. So you probably don't want to use Linux if all you do with your iPod is play music.
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Real classy.
Rockbox is a couple of years further along than ipodlinux, and the iRiver port from the Archos is proceeding nicely. I think the two projects have a friendly rivalry.
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Is there some way to cluster a several of these linux ipods together? That seems like the next logical step to me. Either that or running a web server on one.
Best of all, one soft reset, and you're back in Apple's iPod operating system, listening to your tunes.'
Why would I want to do this?
I should hope that if any version of Linux had an MP3-player app, it would be the iPod version.
Step 1: Install Linux on iPod Step 2: Play Othello Step 3: ??? Step 4: PROFIT!!!
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Yeah, but "ISR" jokes are getting old too. And you don't see them stopping.
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I have an embedded app custom made for the iPod by a team of programmers dedicated to that one appplication. Why would I want to replace it with a more general OS and an app hastily written by a few people?
Which is is going to make a better mp3 player? After all, the iPod makes a great mp3 player but the UI stinks for anything else.
If I want to make a "studio-quality" recording, I'm not going to use an iPod and a regular old microphone. If I want to play tetris, pong, etc, I'll use my PDA with its nice big touchscreen and more suitable hardware buttons instead of my iPod with its tiny screen and clickwheel.
This is a great example of "just because you can't doesn't mean you should"
I'm sorry, but stating that you can record studio quality sound using an ipod is just inane. I mean it won't be terrible, but it'll be the same quality as any of the other small handheld recorders. I'm sure even a Soundblaster would do better at recording than an iPod.
Step 1. iPod running Linux
Step 2. ??????????????
Step 3. PROFIT!
... the results, so far, are not so impressing: malloc errors all the time, remaining Apple firmware not working well, some data corruption...
BUT it's very fun, interesting, useful... I guess in one or two years it'll be ubiquitous.
NO. The iPod will not play ogg under any circumstances. The processor is not powerful enough.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Other than for its Linuz zealot masturbatory appeal, why on Earth would anyone possibly want to put Linux on an iPod? Really, what's the point?
I think you meant "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these..."
Not every argument requires reduction to absurdity.
You can also replace the case and the headphones, and really make it your own, it would be brilliant!
Just think, a Linux recorder/player with a revamped O/S and customized user interface.
They will call it the iWas. (as in I was something completely different and fully functional before you tinkered with me)
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A iPod is expensive enough, without having to pay another $699 to SCO.
iPod hd's are only supposed to last on the order of tens of hours of continuous use. I can't find any info about how well this software minimizes hd access.
The download is a DMG file, so presumably the installer is only for Mac.
Is there a Windows equivalent?
This will definitely put to the test an alternative user input mechanism. The iPod wheel is great for navigating menus, but how is it with text input? It may just be a better solution than graffitti and it certainly is better than what cell phones are doing (for the most part). It will be interesting to see all the different ways that people come up with to accomplish things using only a wheel and a few buttons.
4G and later iPods have been, in development, running at 110% realtime with the Tremor OGG player. So yes, recent iPods can play OGG. However, these iPods aren't officially supported yet.
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These days linux is running on everything. It will really impress me if they could get it running on an iPod shuffle! Then of course, how would you know if it was working? :)
been done? http://www.cs.duke.edu/~geha/ipod/
"...if people respected copyright more, like you guys do with the GPL so religiously, [the DMCA] wouldn't be necessary."
You are not ever going to record studio-quality audio with a "regular old microphone" and an iPod.
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First trumpet: Apple switches to Intel
Second trumpet: Apple magazine shows how to run Linux on iPod
Third trumpet: (stay tuned)
playing othello! the future is now my friends.
The included buffering... mp3 player buffering... sucks.
Don't forget the pirates...
Yarr.
there's more than one way to do me.
never accessed any feature of the ipod that isn't related to music or the calendar?
From the iPodLinux FAQ...
"Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster...
Basically, yeah, the thought has occurred to people before. As they say, "Yes, but it's just silly."
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There will come a day when there will be a device that you can carry around in your pocket which will play movies, tv shows, music, video games (and emulate old systems), allow you to surf the web with minimal hassle and carry a low pricetag. The iPod ain't it.
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Yea that and what other wonderful things could be achieved if apple where to really leverage the iPod platform as more than just a hip looking overpriced fashion accessory.
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It would be nice if it had enough power to play back Xvid or Divx video files, but if mp3 files skip under Linux, there's probably no hope. Does anybody know what processor the latest iMacs use?
Funny you say that:
[root@TBRoom taylor]# uptime
18:50:27 up 133 days, 22:43, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[root@TBRoom taylor]#
You must be a BSD user. What is it like to kiss girls?
Seriously, why would I want to do this again? I can already play Pong on the train. I can maybe see as a musician wanting to record sound on the go occasionally, but given the user interface, how would you type into it for any general Linux-y kinds of stuff? I already hate using cell phones to type text... imagine on an iPod! Bleh.
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Last time i looked 4G support was still 'coming soon', perhaps 'soon' has arrived?
Nope, cant look myself as it wont load.
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What would be cool is if you could run Xclients ( or i suppose cli stuff too ) on the ipod and use a 'local' pc to X11/Telnet to it..
Take all your apps AND data with you as you travel...
Yes, i know a laptop would do the same, but no where near the same formfactor...
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Well I'm running Windows on my iPod Shuffle. Haven't blue-screened once.
"Imagine using your iPod and a regular old microphone to record studio-quality audio."
Or I could just buy this mp3 player instead, which has built in voice recording, instead of having to hack an iPod.
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The ipodslave KIOslave for KDE is pretty nifty, though it should (or perhaps Konqueror should) let you choose to use the file's id3 tag to generate the icon text as an option when you view an ipod:/ URL. ipodslave integration into amarok could be better: ideally you would use amarok as a hook right into the ipod's playlists and such.
Also, if you're gonna use an iPod with Linux, go with udev. Additionally, format the pod for fat32, it's a bit more convenient, though you could still use hfsplus in modern 2.6 kernels.
Imagine using your iPod and a regular old microphone to record studio-quality audio.
Hmm... don't think so.
Perhaps the writer doesn't understand much about analog signals. I like the overall idea of the article, but that "little" exaggeration kind of deters me...
147 NES games on my flashcart [...] and better yet you can listen to your mp3cd player ... AND HAVE 200$ in your pocket!!!
Or try GSM Player for GBA. It's nowhere near CD quality (18 kHz, 30 kbps), but it'll do better than an MP3 CD player for jogging.
(Yes, yes, bootlegging's naughty, blah, blah, blah.)
I've been able to get reliably decent boots on my ancient (as in, bought in '98) Sharp MiniDisc, even considering how lossy ATRAC is. By clipping the mics to the ends of the bows of my glasses -- i.e., an inch away from my ear canals -- I get a recording that's damned near exactly what I heard live. Using my iPod instead would be ideal. AFAICT, the recording wouldn't be compressed, the bit- and sample-rates are vastly higher, I'd be able to extract it digitally by mounting the device as a disk and venue security probably wouldn't look twice at an iPod.
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i guarantee you that both stylus input and cellphone input is faster than using a freaking wheel to scroll around.
If I want to play tetris, pong, etc, I'll use my PDA ...
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Sweet, so if *I* want to play tetris, pong, etc, I can use your PDA too?
No?
Oh, maybe saying that a free software install is worthless because you have hundreds of dollars of hardware that can do the job better isn't really that insightful, after all.
So turn Linux into Windows? What's the point of that?
Tried this on my 1G 5GB iPod. Nothing to see really. A lot of crashing, a lot of not working, a lot of copying-the-iPod's-UI, and in the end, I needed to reflash my iPod to restart into Apple's firmware because their bootloader ran into issues after a while. Linux may be great, but this really doesn't do much to show off Linux except for a bunch of gobbledegook text and kernel panics that you don't know about-- the iPod just resets.
You mean, I can finally install Linux on my Technics 1200 turntables? I find this quite astonishing.
... and then they built the supercollider.
I've had linux installed on my iPod for some time. Although the mp3 player sucks I've killed many hours with the games (chess!) and the calculator has saved my butt a few times.
:^/
And you can't record on an iPod without liunx unless you buy a special adapter.
Installing uCLinux on the old 2 Gb iPod seems to prod the charge state display to force recharge. Maybe this proves that Apple really did mess that up, because the charge state on the Linux side is 100% (or something). As far as "Linux" goes, Tux is wearing earphones, the wheel is hypersensitive and "Action Debounce" is inscrutable, but I suspect very very necessary for a usable lnxPod. It comes with Space Invaders and a chess game with a user surly HI. Fascinating toy. I'll keep it on my iPod long enough to see if the recharge works properly.
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Imagine using your iPod and a regular old microphone to record studio-quality audio. No can do, this is slashdot. However, if you want, I can imagine a beowulf clusters of iPods.
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I eagerly downloaded the installer, only to discover it does not work on iPods that have been formatted with FAT.
That's a pity. I deliberately chose to format my iPod as a FAT drive since that would allow me to use it with all the OS'es I currently use (Linux, OS X, and Win32) -- I imagine many other nerds have done the same for just that reason.
I don't remember seeing this restriction mentioned on the requirements pages, but maybe I missed it... If you have a FAT-formatted iPod, don't even bother downloading the installer at this point.
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Look you linux suxx0rs, why don't you just drop that piece of s*** OS and use windows instead, then you won't have to cry - 'ohhhh nothing works on this magnificent communist OS - it's all micro$ofts fault wahah wah wah'
Linux uncle fuxx0rs.
- ASCII spaces in the mounted volume name of the iPod cause the installer to puke.
- Songs don't continue to play when you access the menu.
- The games (such as asteroids) don't have audio.
- Major complaint: try adjusting the volume on a playing song - the audio is interrupted. Suck!
This was on a 2nd gen iPod. YMMV.Trust me. This is an inactive account. Regardless of what the