Agreed. This will hopefully eventually lead us to the habitation of other planets. That way, when the crazy religious dude of the millenia tries to blow us up/poison us, we will have a redundant society!
As it's our nature to want to live, I say we leave this friggen place and let the middle east fight it out to their hearts content.
Uh, I *think* you're talking about NASA dollars. Though not an official spokesman, I'd say it'd be less using other organizations. Doesn't NASA have a 40% overhead or something:)?
Ever try Solaris? Even seen what that has enabled on the default install? How about HPUX? Perhaps even SCO? Redhat 7.2? All of these have more than 5 remote root exploits out of the box.
He's right. You guys are so personally offended you can't see the forest for the trees.
He's talking about hackers here, kids. Not 90% of the/. crowd. In your opinion, who's the most likely hacker?
a. sysadmin b. java developer c. janitor
Personally, I'm voting for (a). (A) because most sysadmins deal with perl, lots of unix systems, they know *nix inside and out. Java guys are out of the question, they're too wrapped up in their baby blankets sucking their thumbs to realize they are not _in_ the group we're speaking of. Janitors, well, it's possible, but probably not common.
I'm a sysadmin, and I user perl all day long. Sometimes at night, when a brute force ssh attack comes along. I need to know which exploits are out there, I'm constantly trying to break my system. I'm constantly learning about the newest buffer overflows in solaris. I am intimately aware of memory space in the kernel. I don't live in a Java Dream World (tm). I don't have all day long to dream of how, if java were tangible matter, it'd be able to cure world hunger. I'm too busy living in the Real World(tm).
In conclusion, while it's uncommon to have good hackers know they're good, it's a lot more common to have a bunch of wanna-bes think they are "the hackers".
If that's the case, forgive me for misinterpreting your statement. It was my impression that you were slamming php for its error messages. If you wanna slam authors of (insert language here) for their error checking, then I'm on your side. PHP has quite good error checking, though not as nice as perls (i.e. runaway semicolon on line foo). The one you pointed out is a default ( or die(mysql_error()) ) in most cases.
Hell, you can even slam mysql for having an error like "unknown error", and I'll rant with you.
My comment still stands. That is a mysql error, _not_ a php error. Mysql may have unknow errors, and they may happen all the time, but that's related to mysql and mysql's libraries. It's _not_ related to php.
Php is delivering the error on behalf of mysql.
Something like this:
Would die with php spitting out the mysql error if mysql errored out.
Though your comments are well founded, I still somewhat disagree. After seeing both comments, I can see cpu being useful especially if you are doing SSL connections and session tracking.
You might actually be one of the very few people who find that (double the cpu=double the power), but that's not very common for most web sites. Most of the time, dual cpus do not mean twice the power. I'd venture to guess that you might see 1.25 or 1.30x the power.
I intended my main point to be that web serving relies more on I/O and memory than CPUs.
My day job is an admin at an ISP and I find thousands of sites (ssl and reg) can run perfect on a 440Mhz Sun Netra t1. I have two of the $300 single proc bad boys runnning thousands of sites without a glich. When one fails, which niether have (Knock on wood), the other one is an easy failover script away.
When these finally hit 40% consistent load(current load =.21 and.7), I pop on a 3rd linux box.
And yes, they are very fast and incredibly stable.(as long as you keep solaris patched.)
No, you are wrong. Google uses clusters of smaller machines. Dual CPU Webservers are generally considered bad, as they don't scale near as well as 2+ webservers serving files via nfs or other technology. With 2x cpus, when a server gets bogged, it's gonna quickly hit a ceiling if you keep adding processors. Besides, unless you're doing huge engineering apps in real time, a webserver really only needs fast I/O and more memory to grow.
I tend to think it's because of Theo, not everyone gets along with him, if ya know what I mean. It will take a while before SMP is considered secure, as smp introduces quite a few possibilities for exploits, just due to the nature of sharing procs across processors.
It's not a question of lockhead-martin making money. They already do. They know have a very fruitfull relationship with NASA.
When the xprize is won, what's gonna happen? I picture people paying millions to be one of the few who get to cruise into space.
Competitors will, no doubt, quickly turn up. This is turn will drive prices of launches down, as production increases. Soon, it will be 100,000 to escape the atmosphere. (M|B)illionaires will invest to make more money, and boom, we have a new market.
I can't see how one would be critical, it's only a matter of time before we all get sick of earth. Ozone Layers, Terrorists, Oil, etc.
We'll never escape natural distasters, and we certainly can't run from ourselves, but we can get away from the religion.
AFAIK, the closest we will be coming is in 10 days:
http://www.xprize.org/press/release_055.html
I ask because the commercial benefits of space will be, well, out of this world. The human race will actually have something to focus on as opposed to worrying about some silly terrorists all the time.
Alright, you had no comeback for the nobody has a clue partition issue.
No, not any SMTP server is subject to a DOS attack. SMTP servers can be susceptible to a DDOS attack, however. SMTP servers like postfix can tar pit incoming connections, as well as lower connections on a per-ip bases. It is also smart enough to sanity-check data.
I *never* said those programs were more or less secure than qmail, that would be blasphemy. I can't see anymore reason to discuss this with you, clearly you're now just making shit up.
Well that's a good question. Let's look. Well, postfix, sendmail, bind, pam, *nix, cron, csh, cups, dhcpc, clamav, fstab, make, init, lynx, login, man, mplayer, mysql, postgres, apache, tomcat, oracle, sshd, all use a conf file. Imagine if they all used env. variables. It's called normalizing. Welcome to the real world my friend.
You're right, it doesn't make a seperate partition, not a DISK partion. You some how imagined I meant a disk partition when in reality, I never said DISK parition, for those who don't pay attention a partition is:
# Something that divides or separates, as a wall dividing one room or cubicle from another.
From: dictionary.com
Seems as if a new folder (/service) fits under the definition of partition just fine. Sorry buddy, even though a common dictionary is available at walmart, I didn't get the definition there.
You're under the impression that a "security flaw" implies getting a root password. Methinks you have a distorted perception of reality. A security flaw encompasses just about any type of DOS, as well as getting access as an (un)privileged user.
Here:
http://www.insecure.org/sploits/qmail.DOS.rcpt.h tm l Can't read that one? Never been to a *nix site?
Here's a plain text one:
http://www.hoobie.clara.net/security/exploits/qm ai l_dos.c
Prepare your response next time, and you might be able to argue with a script kiddie.
DJB is lazy. The fact that you need environment variables to run the dns server.
WTF? Environment Variables? Is he smoking crack? Ever heard of a conf file?
And what about the fact that I need to add a new folder to / to run any of his software? Ever heard of/usr/local? perhaps/usr? Maybe even/opt? But his own special partition? Are you nuts?
This doesn't count the fact of people finding *LEGIT* security flaws in his other software *ahem qmail*, and he refuses to admit it. Even M$ admits to most security flaws brought to their attention.
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Agreed.
This will hopefully eventually lead us to the habitation of other planets. That way, when the crazy religious dude of the millenia tries to blow us up/poison us, we will have a redundant society!
As it's our nature to want to live, I say we leave this friggen place and let the middle east fight it out to their hearts content.
Uh, I *think* you're talking about NASA dollars. Though not an official spokesman, I'd say it'd be less using other organizations. Doesn't NASA have a 40% overhead or something:)?
I'm a huge *nix fan, but I call bs.
Ever try Solaris? Even seen what that has enabled on the default install? How about HPUX? Perhaps even SCO?
Redhat 7.2? All of these have more than 5 remote root exploits out of the box.
He's right. You guys are so personally offended you can't see the forest for the trees.
/. crowd. In your opinion, who's the most likely hacker?
He's talking about hackers here, kids. Not 90% of the
a. sysadmin
b. java developer
c. janitor
Personally, I'm voting for (a). (A) because most sysadmins deal with perl, lots of unix systems, they know *nix inside and out.
Java guys are out of the question, they're too wrapped up in their baby blankets sucking their thumbs to realize they are not _in_ the group we're speaking of.
Janitors, well, it's possible, but probably not common.
I'm a sysadmin, and I user perl all day long. Sometimes at night, when a brute force ssh attack comes along. I need to know which exploits are out there, I'm constantly trying to break my system. I'm constantly learning about the newest buffer overflows in solaris. I am intimately aware of memory space in the kernel. I don't live in a Java Dream World (tm). I don't have all day long to dream of how, if java were tangible matter, it'd be able to cure world hunger. I'm too busy living in the Real World(tm).
In conclusion, while it's uncommon to have good hackers know they're good, it's a lot more common to have a bunch of wanna-bes think they are "the hackers".
i have one i'll sell ya. brand new, used twice. dvorak subscript.
Then I can easily guess why you are most certainly not a lawyer.
dontcha mean "for all intents and purposes"?
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Woudln't that be new _highs_ of ignorance?
If that's the case, forgive me for misinterpreting your statement. It was my impression that you were slamming php for its error messages. If you wanna slam authors of (insert language here) for their error checking, then I'm on your side. PHP has quite good error checking, though not as nice as perls (i.e. runaway semicolon on line foo). The one you pointed out is a default ( or die(mysql_error()) ) in most cases.
Hell, you can even slam mysql for having an error like "unknown error", and I'll rant with you.
My comment still stands. That is a mysql error, _not_ a php error.
Mysql may have unknow errors, and they may happen all the time, but that's related to mysql and mysql's libraries. It's _not_ related to php.
Php is delivering the error on behalf of mysql.
Something like this:
Would die with php spitting out the mysql error if mysql errored out.
Hey, pay attention.
/www/something.php on line nn
Warning: MySQL Connection Failed: Unknown MySQL error in
That's a mysql error. I've worked with php since early 3.x, and I've NEVER seen an unknown error.
I'll pitch in $100. +$20 if you take me with.
Check this out.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlkop/gravnew.html
Though your comments are well founded, I still somewhat disagree. After seeing both comments, I can see cpu being useful especially if you are doing SSL connections and session tracking.
.21 and .7), I pop on a 3rd linux box.
You might actually be one of the very few people who find that (double the cpu=double the power), but that's not very common for most web sites. Most of the time, dual cpus do not mean twice the power. I'd venture to guess that you might see 1.25 or 1.30x the power.
I intended my main point to be that web serving relies more on I/O and memory than CPUs.
My day job is an admin at an ISP and I find thousands of sites (ssl and reg) can run perfect on a 440Mhz Sun Netra t1. I have two of the $300 single proc bad boys runnning thousands of sites without a glich. When one fails, which niether have (Knock on wood), the other one is an easy failover script away.
When these finally hit 40% consistent load(current load =
And yes, they are very fast and incredibly stable.(as long as you keep solaris patched.)
Someone with a 3 digit uid and running for king? You got my vote too, man.
No, you are wrong. Google uses clusters of smaller machines. Dual CPU Webservers are generally considered bad, as they don't scale near as well as 2+ webservers serving files via nfs or other technology.
With 2x cpus, when a server gets bogged, it's gonna quickly hit a ceiling if you keep adding processors. Besides, unless you're doing huge engineering apps in real time, a webserver really only needs fast I/O and more memory to grow.
I tend to think it's because of Theo, not everyone gets along with him, if ya know what I mean. It will take a while before SMP is considered secure, as smp introduces quite a few possibilities for exploits, just due to the nature of sharing procs across processors.
It's not a question of lockhead-martin making money. They already do. They know have a very fruitfull relationship with NASA.
When the xprize is won, what's gonna happen? I picture people paying millions to be one of the few who get to cruise into space.
Competitors will, no doubt, quickly turn up. This is turn will drive prices of launches down, as production increases. Soon, it will be 100,000 to escape the atmosphere. (M|B)illionaires will invest to make more money, and boom, we have a new market.
I can't see how one would be critical, it's only a matter of time before we all get sick of earth. Ozone Layers, Terrorists, Oil, etc.
We'll never escape natural distasters, and we certainly can't run from ourselves, but we can get away from the religion.
Tomorrow?
AFAIK, the closest we will be coming is in 10 days:
http://www.xprize.org/press/release_055.html
I ask because the commercial benefits of space will be, well, out of this world. The human race will actually have something to focus on as opposed to worrying about some silly terrorists all the time.
When are we gonna privatize space so commericial entities can quickly outpace NASA?
It crashes IE on linux using crossover plugin.
Talking facts? Really?
...you're accusing me of being religious...
There are no security flaws in qmail.
That was an outright lie. I proved it.
Nobody but nobody thinks a directory in the root of a filesystem...(exception..blah blah blah)
Wrong. You can't prove this. This is NOT FACT BASED.
If you offer service to all comers(which an SMTP server does), then you are subject to DOS attacks
Wrong. I've introduced an MTA to you that is smarter than that. It's called tarpitting.
Wrong. At not place in any of my posts did I ever imply that you were religious. I believe you are, but nowhere did I *accuse* you of it.
Listen man, I don't know how you got to be the webmaster behind qmail, but you clearly have no idea what you are doing here.
Wall Drug isn't that great, though the signs are cool.
Instead, check out the wicked cool caves near Mt. Rushmore.
Alright, you had no comeback for the nobody has a clue partition issue.
No, not any SMTP server is subject to a DOS attack.
SMTP servers can be susceptible to a DDOS attack, however. SMTP servers like postfix can tar pit incoming connections, as well as lower connections on a per-ip bases. It is also smart enough to sanity-check data.
I *never* said those programs were more or less secure than qmail, that would be blasphemy. I can't see anymore reason to discuss this with you, clearly you're now just making shit up.
Well that's a good question. Let's look.
h tm l
m ai l_dos.c
Well, postfix, sendmail, bind, pam, *nix, cron, csh, cups, dhcpc, clamav, fstab, make, init, lynx, login, man, mplayer, mysql, postgres, apache, tomcat, oracle, sshd, all use a conf file. Imagine if they all used env. variables. It's called normalizing. Welcome to the real world my friend.
You're right, it doesn't make a seperate partition, not a DISK partion. You some how imagined I meant a disk partition when in reality, I never said DISK parition, for those who don't pay attention a partition is:
# Something that divides or separates, as a wall dividing one room or cubicle from another.
From: dictionary.com
Seems as if a new folder (/service) fits under the definition of partition just fine.
Sorry buddy, even though a common dictionary is available at walmart, I didn't get the definition there.
You're under the impression that a "security flaw" implies getting a root password. Methinks you have a distorted perception of reality. A security flaw encompasses just about any type of DOS, as well as getting access as an (un)privileged user.
Here:
http://www.insecure.org/sploits/qmail.DOS.rcpt.
Can't read that one? Never been to a *nix site?
Here's a plain text one:
http://www.hoobie.clara.net/security/exploits/q
Prepare your response next time, and you might be able to argue with a script kiddie.
DJB is lazy. The fact that you need environment variables to run the dns server.
/usr/local? perhaps /usr? Maybe even /opt? But his own special partition? Are you nuts?
WTF? Environment Variables? Is he smoking crack?
Ever heard of a conf file?
And what about the fact that I need to add a new folder to / to run any of his software? Ever heard of
This doesn't count the fact of people finding *LEGIT* security flaws in his other software *ahem qmail*, and he refuses to admit it. Even M$ admits to most security flaws brought to their attention.