A) Have backed up their data on a physical medium, eg USB stick
B) Would not daisy chain their accounts that would allow the hacking of one lead to the others.
This guy might considered himself and expert - personally I consider him an idiot who bought into the whole Cloud we'll-look-after-your-data-for-you-no-need-to-worry marketing hype aimed at the clueless.
In broad technical terms there is no difference between a modern cloud service and an ftp server from the 1980s - if someone gets your password you're scr3wed.
Probably in case of failure. If Nokia's handsets tank and the company goes into the red because no one wants a Windows phone - which seems to be the way things are going - then I suspect they hoped they could have a soft landing in the form of being bought out by Microsoft and saved from themselves. Whether this will happen or not - who knows. Though to me it looks like a case of from the frying pan into the deepest bowels of hell.
"fter all, theft, stolen goods and handling stolen goods normally refer to physical goods"
Have you just stepped through a timewarp from the 1980s? In almost all western countries (and probably korea) theft now includes data including personal details.
"This is data we are talking about: the victims have not physically lost anything"
Christ, this argument was old in the 80s. If someone steals your personal data you have potentially lost something FAR more valuable than the physical machine they retrieved them off.
Do yourself a favour and join the 21st century with the rest of us.
Ah , probably a 60s baby boomer hippie then. That explains a lot. Your generation never did grow up.
"You know anonymous so well that you can predict their household setup?"
Pretty much - so far all the ones who've been nicked fit that profile nicely.
"I've been to a couple of those sub-Saharan African states, and believe it or not, the conditions in one place do not mean that a situation elsewhere is any less real"
So have I. And I think you'd agree it rather puts the problems of the west in perspective.
"If a bunch of "juvenile morons" can take on governments and corporations, that means any of us can"
Except they haven't, they're just a fly on the bulls back. A minor nuisance soon flicked away.
"Most people are way too scared of protecting their jobs, their bank accounts, their comfortable consumerist way of life to even consider challenging the corporate tyranny"
Yes , odd that people have to life isn't it. Its very easy to criticise if mum and dad are paying your bills.
"And brother, that corporate tyranny has a hamster wheel with your name on it "
If you think you're not on a hamster wheel then I've got news for you pal. Its just painted a different colour and makes a bit more noise.
"If there was ever a time in our history where a group of juvenile bomb-throwers was necessary, this is that time."
Oh yawn, Standard issue angry-young-man Dahn Wiv Da System speech. It was cliched 40 years ago.
"We are rushing headlong into a very ugly future."
If you want to see ugly visit any one of a number of african states where human rights consist of the right not to be shot in the head along with your family or live in a tent in a refugee camp eating a cup of rice a day and drinking filthy water. While you sit there in front of your expensive computer made by virtual slave labour in china you might want to reflect on just how damn lucky you are to live in a western democracy and stop bitching.
"i for one usually don't shed a tear for the people targeted by anon."
Except in this case the victims are the innocent people who's data has been released. The ISP has been embarrassed but in a few weeks everyone will have forgotten and moved onto something else. The customers could suffer severe privacy breaches because of this which could last years.
I'll get modded down for this by all the basement dwelling keyboard warriors on here but frankly I don't give a sh1t . Anonymous are a load of self righteous juvenile morons. They see an issue they have a gripe about, they jump on the bandwagon, make a mess and a lot of noise and chuck stuff off like a bunch of chimps in a bad mood, then jump off again thinking they've done some profound social service and made a grand gesture for freedom - when in actual fact all they've done is cause the bandwagon to crash into a tree.
So, releasing private customer data into the public domain because you object to a company keeping private customer data in case it falls into the wrong hands. Riiiight. If there was any logic in doing that it obviously got completely lost in the noise from all the raging teenage hormones behind the "decision" (I use that term lightly) to do it. What a complete bunch of fecking @rsewipes.
It the code was entirely encrypted it wouldn't run you moron. The initial code has to be normal x86 machine code. Once you isolate that you work from there.
"Then when you RUN the code to catch it's decrypted payload,"
Thats why you disassemble the decrypter first to see how it works FFS.
"The code detects the debugger and changes it's behavior or disables the debugger."
Code can't detect being disassembled because its not being run.
"Ultimately these tools decrypt their payload so you can't just dump the raw binary. You have to get them to run and decrypt the payload without detecting that you're using a debugger. That's actually pretty damn hard and where most of the time is spent."
Understood, but if you have the assembler code that does the initial decryption on hand then you just rip out the decryption part and run it on the payload.
Ultimately you can always single step through each instruction and the program simply won't have a chance to wipe debugger information because you'll see it about to do it before it happens and can break at that point.
Disassemble it and follow the code. Even if some of the code is encrypted something in the virus will have to decrypt it before it can be run and you'll have that on hand too.
I'm not saying its easy but its not protected by some magic ward.
I'm talking about coporations who want only a few network addresses accessable from the outside world which eases frontline security issues as these addresses hardly ever need to be updated - but allows people outside to communicate with assorted different machines internally. Clearly you've never worked anywhere like this otherwise you wouldn't ask such a dumb question.
"And how IPv6 will increase network complexity is beyond me."
Also clearly you've never had to deal with IP6 in any in depth manner. Its an utter PITA.
If you think companies are going to let all their systems talk to the internet at large just because they use IP6 then you're off with the pixies. Its almost certain that most corps will limit ip6 devices to link local only addresses and use some form of address translation as a "security" measure. The only thing IP6 will gain us is huge increase in general network complexity.
"Today we have phones like my Andriod as well as IPhones that give a much better browsing experience than my desktop?!"
Are you having a laugh? The browsing "experience" on a smartphone doesn't come anywhere close the what I have on my dual 22 inch desktop monitors. If you seriously think that can be replicated on some rinky dink 3 inch screen then you must have problems with your eyesight..
"On my computer it flickers unless I use IE 9"
Then your computer is a piece of junk. Go and buy one built in the 21st century.
"Why should the best experiences be only for phone based applets?"
Errm , you do realise that applets are programs, not web pages?
"There is no better way to explore something new, than games. That's what they are there for."
Yeah... right. I'm suuure the developers of Call of Duty were thinking about its educational aspect first and foremost.
"It's things like school as we know it, that is a waste of time and deeply utterly wrong."
In other words you're one of the thick kids who couldn't handle being educated so you pretend games are a valid substitute. Good luck trying to convince a future employer that your 733t score on Mass Effect 3 means you be given a job ahead of someone who bothered to work and got first class degree in a relevant subject.
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Anyone sufficiently clued up on IT would
A) Have backed up their data on a physical medium, eg USB stick
B) Would not daisy chain their accounts that would allow the hacking of one lead to the others.
This guy might considered himself and expert - personally I consider him an idiot who bought into the whole Cloud we'll-look-after-your-data-for-you-no-need-to-worry marketing hype aimed at the clueless.
In broad technical terms there is no difference between a modern cloud service and an ftp server from the 1980s - if someone gets your password you're scr3wed.
Othewise no.
Good to see this "hacker" fits the loser demographic we've come to expect from these sorts of people so perfectly
Probably in case of failure. If Nokia's handsets tank and the company goes into the red because no one wants a Windows phone - which seems to be the way things are going - then I suspect they hoped they could have a soft landing in the form of being bought out by Microsoft and saved from themselves. Whether this will happen or not - who knows. Though to me it looks like a case of from the frying pan into the deepest bowels of hell.
Thats all config, It shouldn't affect the core engine size.
"fter all, theft, stolen goods and handling stolen goods normally refer to physical goods"
Have you just stepped through a timewarp from the 1980s? In almost all western countries (and probably korea) theft now includes data including personal details.
"This is data we are talking about: the victims have not physically lost anything"
Christ, this argument was old in the 80s. If someone steals your personal data you have potentially lost something FAR more valuable than the physical machine they retrieved them off.
Do yourself a favour and join the 21st century with the rest of us.
"Son, I'm retired. I broke the wheel."
Ah , probably a 60s baby boomer hippie then. That explains a lot. Your generation never did grow up.
"You know anonymous so well that you can predict their household setup?"
Pretty much - so far all the ones who've been nicked fit that profile nicely.
"I've been to a couple of those sub-Saharan African states, and believe it or not, the conditions in one place do not mean that a situation elsewhere is any less real"
So have I. And I think you'd agree it rather puts the problems of the west in perspective.
"Anonymous is a meme for idiots"
FTFY.
"If a bunch of "juvenile morons" can take on governments and corporations, that means any of us can"
Except they haven't, they're just a fly on the bulls back. A minor nuisance soon flicked away.
"Most people are way too scared of protecting their jobs, their bank accounts, their comfortable consumerist way of life to even consider challenging the corporate tyranny"
Yes , odd that people have to life isn't it. Its very easy to criticise if mum and dad are paying your bills.
"And brother, that corporate tyranny has a hamster wheel with your name on it "
If you think you're not on a hamster wheel then I've got news for you pal. Its just painted a different colour and makes a bit more noise.
"If there was ever a time in our history where a group of juvenile bomb-throwers was necessary, this is that time."
Oh yawn, Standard issue angry-young-man Dahn Wiv Da System speech. It was cliched 40 years ago.
"We are rushing headlong into a very ugly future."
If you want to see ugly visit any one of a number of african states where human rights consist of the right not to be shot in the head along with your family or live in a tent in a refugee camp eating a cup of rice a day and drinking filthy water. While you sit there in front of your expensive computer made by virtual slave labour in china you might want to reflect on just how damn lucky you are to live in a western democracy and stop bitching.
"That crime was committed by the ISP"
No.
It wasn't.
The crime was commited by anonymous who deliberately broke in and released it.
Grow up.
"i for one usually don't shed a tear for the people targeted by anon."
Except in this case the victims are the innocent people who's data has been released. The ISP has been embarrassed but in a few weeks everyone will have forgotten and moved onto something else. The customers could suffer severe privacy breaches because of this which could last years.
I'll get modded down for this by all the basement dwelling keyboard warriors on here but frankly I don't give a sh1t . Anonymous are a load of self righteous juvenile morons. They see an issue they have a gripe about, they jump on the bandwagon, make a mess and a lot of noise and chuck stuff off like a bunch of chimps in a bad mood, then jump off again thinking they've done some profound social service and made a grand gesture for freedom - when in actual fact all they've done is cause the bandwagon to crash into a tree.
So, releasing private customer data into the public domain because you object to a company keeping private customer data in case it falls into the wrong hands. Riiiight. If there was any logic in doing that it obviously got completely lost in the noise from all the raging teenage hormones behind the "decision" (I use that term lightly) to do it. What a complete bunch of fecking @rsewipes.
"That's why I said it was encrypted. "
It the code was entirely encrypted it wouldn't run you moron. The initial code has to be normal x86 machine code. Once you isolate that you work from there.
"Then when you RUN the code to catch it's decrypted payload,"
Thats why you disassemble the decrypter first to see how it works FFS.
"The code detects the debugger and changes it's behavior or disables the debugger."
Code can't detect being disassembled because its not being run.
"Ultimately these tools decrypt their payload so you can't just dump the raw binary. You have to get them to run and decrypt the payload without detecting that you're using a debugger. That's actually pretty damn hard and where most of the time is spent."
Understood, but if you have the assembler code that does the initial decryption on hand then you just rip out the decryption part and run it on the payload.
Ultimately you can always single step through each instruction and the program simply won't have a chance to wipe debugger information because you'll see it about to do it before it happens and can break at that point.
Disassemble it and follow the code. Even if some of the code is encrypted something in the virus will have to decrypt it before it can be run and you'll have that on hand too.
I'm not saying its easy but its not protected by some magic ward.
I bet those guys are getting a good work out while they're on the run from the religious police for letting stuxnet have a encore!
I'm not talking about Windows. You said:
"with most GNU/Linux distro any apps can sniff your typed root password"
So tell us how they do it and prove you're not talking BS about something you know nothing about.
Really? How do they do that then? Give us the technical details.
"What are you *talking* about?? "
I'm talking about coporations who want only a few network addresses accessable from the outside world which eases frontline security issues as these addresses hardly ever need to be updated - but allows people outside to communicate with assorted different machines internally. Clearly you've never worked anywhere like this otherwise you wouldn't ask such a dumb question.
"And how IPv6 will increase network complexity is beyond me."
Also clearly you've never had to deal with IP6 in any in depth manner. Its an utter PITA.
If you think companies are going to let all their systems talk to the internet at large just because they use IP6 then you're off with the pixies. Its almost certain that most corps will limit ip6 devices to link local only addresses and use some form of address translation as a "security" measure. The only thing IP6 will gain us is huge increase in general network complexity.
Just knowing who you're talking to can be all the info they need.
"An Applet is a program that runs in a web page - A Java based one, last time I checked."
Last time you checked being 1995 by the looks of it. These days a phone "app" means a standalone program.
"but even then, like 80% of the apps on the App store are just using HTML compiled into an App with PhoneGap or something."
Yeah , right. You might want to look up Objective-C sometime.
"No chops at all like your browser
Firefox on linux doesn't chop at all. Get yourself a proper OS while you're at it.
"It is a whole platform and one where the PC is losing."
If you seriously believe that then plug a 3 inch monitor into your PC and see how long you can put up with it.
"Today we have phones like my Andriod as well as IPhones that give a much better browsing experience than my desktop?!"
Are you having a laugh? The browsing "experience" on a smartphone doesn't come anywhere close the what I have on my dual 22 inch desktop monitors. If you seriously think that can be replicated on some rinky dink 3 inch screen then you must have problems with your eyesight..
"On my computer it flickers unless I use IE 9"
Then your computer is a piece of junk. Go and buy one built in the 21st century.
"Why should the best experiences be only for phone based applets?"
Errm , you do realise that applets are programs, not web pages?
"There is no better way to explore something new, than games. That's what they are there for."
Yeah ... right. I'm suuure the developers of Call of Duty were thinking about its educational aspect first and foremost.
"It's things like school as we know it, that is a waste of time and deeply utterly wrong."
In other words you're one of the thick kids who couldn't handle being educated so you pretend games are a valid substitute. Good luck trying to convince a future employer that your 733t score on Mass Effect 3 means you be given a job ahead of someone who bothered to work and got first class degree in a relevant subject.
Moron.
Awww , diddums , don't throw your toys out of the pram.
FACT: He was an armed robber on parole.
FACT: He was driving at high speed while drunk trying to evade the cops because he was breaking his terms of parole.
Excuse me if I don't cry into my girly pink hanky like you about the police getting tough with him.