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New Mac Trojan Installs Silently, No Password Required

An anonymous reader writes "A new Mac OS X Trojan referred to as OSX/Crisis silently infects OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard and OS X 10.7 Lion. The backdoor component calls home to the IP address 176.58.100.37 every five minutes, awaiting instructions. The threat was created in a way that is intended to make reverse engineering more difficult, an added extra that is more common with Windows malware than it is with Mac malware."

300 comments

  1. Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, right.

    1. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your are just holding it wrong.

    2. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Desler · · Score: 5, Informative

      And trojans aren't viruses unless you're going to show how this is self-replicating.

    3. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Informative

      Maybe ya'lls need to install "Little Snitch".

      That is, if you slipped into Slashdot under false geek creds, and don't know how to configure and monitor pf.

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    4. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Pieroxy · · Score: 5, Funny

      You've got to give credit to Apple though: No Password Required. It's all in the ease of use for the user and not bother them with useless questions and controls onscreen.

      Those stupid trojans ask for passwords on Windows ! Can you imagine the hassle for the user !??!!

    5. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Exactly. Mac malware Just Works (tm).

    6. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They emphasize that point because previous trojans on OS X have required a password to install. It's very rare to run a Mac under an account with superuser rights (it's disabled by default), so installing anything system related requires a sudo. I'm under the impression that trojans generally do not ask for passwords on Windows.

    7. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying it's more of worm, eh?

    8. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by BigFire · · Score: 3, Funny

      I still get a kick out of the Open Source Virus, auto-self compilation across ALL platform.

    9. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by interval1066 · · Score: 2

      And trojans aren't viruses...

      Bitter is the fruit of proud assumption proven false.

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    10. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by repetty · · Score: 0

      And trojans aren't viruses...

      Bitter is the fruit of proud assumption proven false.

      No, he just knows what he's talking about and isn't sloppy.

    11. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Anonymous Coward? Or Anonymous Canadian? Eh?

    12. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      "Macs don't get viruses", keep chanting that as you work on unrooting that trojan...

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    13. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by erroneus · · Score: 1

      I was wondering about whether or not Little Snitch would be effective against this. I have run Little Snitch religiously on all Macs... mostly because I have needed to use Adobe Creative Suite... ;)

    14. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Khyber · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My geek cred is with regards to optoelectronic horticulture tech, not Linux.

      Slashdot ain't all computer geeks, yanno. Some of us keep you fed for cheap.

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    15. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Bitter is the fruit of proud assumption proven false.

      And, on that note, I've heard a lot of boasting on this site about how secure Linux is.

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    16. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Khyber · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's an apple fanboi. Stress on BOI. Ain't no breeding happening.

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    17. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they do run Crisis!

    18. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Jus' being funny...

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    19. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's very rare to run a Mac under an account with superuser rights (it's disabled by default), so installing anything system related requires a sudo.

      Since Vista Windows has largely been the same. It should be very rare to run a Windows 7 machine under an account with super user rights.

      I'm under the impression that trojans generally do not ask for passwords on Windows.

      On both Windows and Mac you can do a lot from a user account. e.g. DDOS, scan the users email, etc. If the trojan wants admin rights it will have to do a sudo on either platform.

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    20. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      I'm under the impression that trojans generally do not ask for passwords on Windows.

      I doubt they ask for passwords, but many of them probably trigger the permission confirmation dialog, where you have to approve what it's about to do. Which is great for any intelligent user who understands those boxes mean that software is about to change Windows, but not so helpful for less knowledgeable users who have been trained to always click Yes on that box.

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    21. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      It was "discovered" on a Virus blog / database site, and has never been found or seen in the wild.

    22. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So labeling a malware another title/type makes it "OK", right? WRONG! No matter what you call it, it is still BAD!

    23. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I'm not trolling here, I really have seen a number of comments boasting about how secure Linux is. If the 'bitter fruit of the assumption proven false' applies to Apple, it applies to Linux, too.

      Later on down the road, do you guys really want to hear "how does it feel?"

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    24. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by VGPowerlord · · Score: 2

      Of course they don't.

      Instead, you get this.

      Which many people just click right on through.

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    25. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly why I don't ever install sudo on linux. sudo is the worst sercurity problem on linux..

    26. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jus' being a dick...

    27. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      thats stupid how is sudo anymore insecure than su root? both ask for a password.

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    28. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And to be honest... let's face it that a trojan that doesn't even require password to be installed, it's just one step away of becoming a virus.

    29. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by mcgrew · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Mod me redundant, but this dimwit just doen't get it. Trojans aren't viruses. They are a completely different kind of malware.

      To get a trojan, you need an ignorant user (in this case, the ignorance was justified, since the user had no reason to suspect Apple's walled garden). To get a virus, you only need to visit the wrong web page or read the wrong email. Windows is the only OS with that history.

      A trojan is not a virus is not a worm. All are malware, but they are different kinds of malware. You might as well call ghonnorea "aids". They're both illnesses, but one is a virus and one is a bacteria.

    30. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by TimHunter · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's amazing! This is the 1,517,321st /. "You're holding it wrong" comment and it's still funny!

      The 1,517,322nd one won't be, though.

    31. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Scragglykat · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised these type of virus infections don't happen more frequently to Apple users... I mean, their back doors have already been left gaping from the price of their iProduct.

    32. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've heard a lot of boasting on this site about how secure Linux is.

      Linux and Macs and BSD only seem secure... when compared to Windows.

    33. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by interval1066 · · Score: 2

      I completely understand the distinction, I simply to choose to ignore it since it really doesn't matter. Macs have vulnerabiliies. To harp on the type of disease is just an attempt to deflect from the main point.

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    34. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by tiffany352 · · Score: 2

      Sudo effectively makes the user's password the superuser's password. This totally destroys the usefulness of having a separate root user altogether. Sudo was designed for RESTRICTING the privileges commands that needed some superuser permissions needed, not for turning regular accounts into root. This page makes no mention of your idea of how sudo is used: http://www.sudo.ws/sudo/intro.html

    35. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Little Snitch is really sweet. I've been running it for years. I'm amazed at how many programs want to talk to someone over the network. It's nice to know when they talk behind your back.

    36. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by lgw · · Score: 1, Informative

      The claim that "Macs don't get viruses" is not made by, nor directed at, people who uderstand the differenc. I know it's all great fun to be maximally pedantic here and all, but really: Macs get malware now. They're not immune to what most people understand as "viruses". And while that's not geek news (or shouldn't be), it's interesting to see the long-made prediction that as soon as Macs became a big enough target they'd get their share of malware come true.

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    37. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by lgw · · Score: 1

      They're very secure when compared to Windows 95, to be sure. Windows for the past 5 years has about the same security model as Linux (well, Ubuntu) and Mac, and is likely more secure at the level of system libraries and below, thanks to endless stress-testing. Crap applicaitons are written for all platforms, of course, though the walled gardens have really helped out there (though not perfectly, of course).

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    38. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean by rolling back through my time machine backup to the last date without the file.

      Easy.

    39. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dance and throw some chairs monkeyboy. The smelly toe-eating neckbeards are the only ones still safe, albeit in their moms' basements.

    40. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's interesting to see the long-made prediction that as soon as Macs became a big enough target they'd get their share of malware come true.

      You figure a rare malware popping its head up is "the Mac's share"? lol. c'mon... there's a lot of pompous BS that circulates courtesy of Mac users, but the machine is *nearly* malware free, and Apple has a history of stomping on anything that shows up pretty darned fast -- hardening the target even further. I don't think you really have a leg to stand on here.

    41. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always thought Windows computers got infected too. I think my Windows XP was the victim of a drive-by-download. The malware/scareware installed itself even though I had an anti-virus program running.

    42. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      "Since Vista Windows has largely been the same"

      Yes. There are an awful lot of Windows XP machines still out there though.

      "On both Windows and Mac you can do a lot from a user account"

      True, but some idiot getting their user account infected by a trojan because they ran a program off the Internet isn't really the fault of the OS, whether it's Windows, OS X, Linux or something else.

      "If the trojan wants admin rights it will have to do a sudo on either platform"

      Previous trojans on the Mac haven't been able to get access to the system without asking permission. If this one really does do that, then there's a genuine security problem. Have previous trojans on Windows asked for sudo access, or have they exploited security holes to get it without permission?

    43. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mostly because I have needed to use Adobe Creative Suite..

      ...the one thing not fully blocked by little snitch.

    44. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      "This totally destroys the usefulness of having a separate root user altogether."

      Which is why the root account is disabled or disused on many UNIX systems that have sudo. The point of sudo is that a user who would normally have root access can do things as root on an individual command basis. It's much safer that way because if you have an oopsie moment it's only a system wide catastrophe if you happen to be sudoing at the time. Running as root everything is dangerous. Also sudo is logged so if something does go wrong, you can trace it back to a particular user. If something goes wrong when you're running as root, all you know is that someone with root access did it.

    45. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Previous trojans on the Mac haven't been able to get access to the system without asking permission. If this one really does do that, then there's a genuine security problem

      It doesn't. It just does whatever it can do if it has user privileges. If it has admin access, it will use that. It refrains from asking for admin privileges if it doesn't have them. That's all.

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    46. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      Ah, so it's just another non-story with a Timothy headline.

    47. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      But that's the problem in a nutshell, isn't it? After all an intelligent user frankly isn't gonna just install anything they find off the web, have a 4 year old 30 day trial of Norton running as "their antivirus' or fall for any of the bog standard social engineering crap that causes the vast majority of malware to spread in the first place.

      I urge you and everyone else to read the dancing bunnies problem and then you'll see frankly it doesn't matter if you are on windows, OSX, or Linux, if the users want the bunny they'll be happy to jump through the hoops, put in the passwords, hell I had a customer that actually removed his antivirus because it wouldn't let him install the malware that he wanted.

      In the end all this Mac bug does is prove what we repair guys have been saying for ages, that there is no such thing as a safe OS, not if it allows users any rights at all. Either you lock them down in a sandbox or walled garden where only corporate approved programs are allowed, or you deal with the dancing bunnies, that's it. All the tech in the world won't help if there is a PEBKAC actively fighting your barriers, because the fool will always be trickier than your foolproof design.

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    48. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by KagatoLNX · · Score: 2

      Right. You also get logging of the commands executed which can be nice, or can itself be a security problem.

      However, unless you carefully restrict the commands, you can do what I do: "sudo bash" (or, if you prefer, "sudo -i")

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    49. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, you're a drug dealer. That's cool.

    50. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Tough+Love · · Score: 0

      Macheads always have fallback positions, don't you know? When iPhone became less than half the market they said "it's still the largest selling smartphone" then when Samsung by itself passed Apple, they said "all iOS devices are more than all Android devices" then when that was no longer true they started saying "but Apple makes more on each one" and now that Apple's margins are shrinking, I can hardly wait to hear what they come up for the next fallback. The really amazing thing is how they all start saying the same, different stupid thing at the same time, almost like they have an iFallback app.

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    51. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by sociocapitalist · · Score: 2

      My geek cred is with regards to optoelectronic horticulture tech, not Linux.

      Slashdot ain't all computer geeks, yanno. Some of us keep you fed for cheap.

      Optoelectronic horticulture...so you sit and watch the grass grow on the TV?

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    52. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by atomicxblue · · Score: 1

      If Linux (and BSD derivatives in the case of Mac) fails tomorrow, which I doubt that it will, at least it educated the other two OSes the dangers of running all programs as the super user.

    53. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do what everyone else did. Go to reddit

    54. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I'm no machead, and in fact the only Apple product I own is an old G3 someone gave me. I do read, however, and use Windows and Linux. I merely pointed out that there is a distinct difference between a virus and a trojan. Actually, I'm not sure Windows even gets viruses any more, although I wouldn't bet money on it.

      I can almost understand Apple fans, I can't for the life of me understand Windows fans.

    55. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Mattsson · · Score: 1

      Usually, installation of a trojan in Windows will trigger the UAC. It doesn't request a password like in OS X, but it does require user authorization.
      Unless, of course, if the loon has disabled UAC because he/she thinks it is inconvenient to be asked for permission before a program is allowed to do something administrative.

      Generally, a user who would be at risk of trojans in Windows is also at risk while using OS X.

      Taken from the Wikipedia article on UAC, the actions that require permission is:
              Running an Application as an Administrator
              Changes to system-wide settings or to files in %SystemRoot% or %ProgramFiles%
              Installing and uninstalling applications
              Installing device drivers
              Installing ActiveX controls
              Changing settings for Windows Firewall
              Changing UAC settings
              Configuring Windows Update
              Adding or removing user accounts
              Changing a user’s account type
              Configuring Parental Controls
              Running Task Scheduler
              Restoring backed-up system files
              Viewing or changing another user’s folders and files
              Running Disk Defragmenter

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    56. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm ... Took me ten seconds ;-)

    57. Re:Macs don't get viruses. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      More like remotely over my computer via a wheeled robot armed with a camera and a couple of testing probes (monitor pH, nutrient concentration, etc.)

      It's fun having research facilities around the world.

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  2. but what about mountain lion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if it ain't from the app store it aint gettin installed, bitch.

    1. Re:but what about mountain lion by benjfowler · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not going to help you if you're hit by an in-browser drive-by attack. Chrome or Firefox with Noscript can help here.

    2. Re:but what about mountain lion by Desler · · Score: 2

      Sure it will. If it's not signed by Apple or an Apple developer, Gatekeeper prevents it from installing. Or do you have any proof ot can bypass Gatekeeper?

    3. Re:but what about mountain lion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it will. It cannot execute if it's not signed.

    4. Re:but what about mountain lion by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's a big difference between merely getting it on their machine and actually executing it. Gatekeeper is a new Mountain Lion feature that, by default, prevents any apps that are not from the Mac App Store and are not otherwise signed with an Apple-provided certificate from executing. While inflammatory, the AC's point still stands.

    5. Re:but what about mountain lion by djsmiley · · Score: 2

      When Firefox/Chrome/Safari launch a process they are still classed as being "from the app store" right?

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    6. Re:but what about mountain lion by Desler · · Score: 1

      No.

    7. Re:but what about mountain lion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you launch a process you are either launching a second copy of your executable or you are launching a completely separate executable. In either case that executable needs to be signed.

    8. Re:but what about mountain lion by jonwil · · Score: 1

      My guess is that (if Gatekeeper is enabled) every binary loaded by the system must be signed by Apple or else it wont load.

    9. Re:but what about mountain lion by Desler · · Score: 1

      Or those signed by a registered Apple developer since that is the default Gatekeeper setting.

    10. Re:but what about mountain lion by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Which means any geek has to turn that off to use fink.

    11. Re:but what about mountain lion by iluvcapra · · Score: 2

      Any executable that's downloaded is "tainted." Mach-O executables carry their certificates and checksums as metadata segments in the executable, and if you don't have those, or they don't resolve to a certificate with an Apple signature, Gatekeeper will stop it from running according to the user's preference setting.

      Taintedness can be removed with

      $ sudo xattrs -d ...

      to delete it (it's stored in the filesystem extended attributes), or by launching the app from the "Open" command contextual menu. It will not launch by double-clicking, Apple-O'ing, or with Apple Events (like Firefox would do).

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    12. Re:but what about mountain lion by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Informative

      Gatekeeper is a new Mountain Lion feature

      RTFS; Mountain Lion is not the distro being compromised.

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    13. Re:but what about mountain lion by Baloroth · · Score: 2

      Not true. Read the Ars Technica review: Gatekeeper only stops the execution of apps directly from downloading them (downloaded executables are flagged). Hell, you can right-click the app after downloading it, select "run", and it will work just fine.

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    14. Re:but what about mountain lion by Baloroth · · Score: 1

      Maybe, maybe not. Gatekeeper is supposed to prevent unsigned downloaded programs from running, but it will only work if the executable gets properly flagged as "downloaded." It doesn't stop other executables from running, nor does it stop people from running them directly, so whether it will stop all drive-bys or not is not 100% clear (it should stop some, of course).

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    15. Re:but what about mountain lion by Moheeheeko · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Hmmm....

      New Version of OSX drops, shortly after new malware discovered that only affects old versions.

      I smell marketing ploy.

    16. Re:but what about mountain lion by gtall · · Score: 1

      Only by default, there are two other settings, one of which will let you install anything unsigned. And it isn't clear the other two settings will stop a drive by.

    17. Re:but what about mountain lion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if you load a library and call a malicious function within it from the context of the signed executable's process?

    18. Re:but what about mountain lion by the+JoshMeister · · Score: 5, Informative
      From Intego, the company who first blogged about this malware (emphasis mine):

      This threat may run on Leopard 10.5, but it has a tendency to crash. It does not run on the new Mountain Lion 10.8.

      Also...

      This threat has not yet been found in the wild, and so far there is no indication that this Trojan has infected users

      You're right to imply that Mountain Lion users shouldn't get too cocky, but in this particular case, according to this antivirus vendor, the malware hasn't even been found in the wild—and even if it had, it doesn't run on Mountain Lion.

    19. Re:but what about mountain lion by jjjhs · · Score: 2

      That didn't sound right so I looked up it up. I would not have put it past Apple to require every single program be signed by them or as an approved developer to keep out "undesirables", however, that's not what's going on. https://securosis.com/blog/os-x-10.8-gatekeeper-in-depth

    20. Re:but what about mountain lion by iluvcapra · · Score: 2

      All libraries and frameworks, including their bundled static resources, images, strings files, and so on, must also be signed.

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    21. Re:but what about mountain lion by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      You do realize that I was responding specifically to someone who was making a claim against Mountain Lion, right? This particular comment thread is about Mountain Lion and the fact that it's unaffected. He claimed otherwise. I disputed.

    22. Re:but what about mountain lion by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      The malware actually came out a few days ago. Slashdot is slow to report on it.

    23. Re:but what about mountain lion by LostCauz · · Score: 1

      nope. you can still run fink with gatekeeper turned on.

      from the console run:

            xattr -d com.apple.quarantine

      then you can run that app and gatekeeper won't care.

    24. Re:but what about mountain lion by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      The very Ars review you cite refutes your claim. In fact, it even has a screenshot of a Gatekeeper prompt being shown for an app that has already been downloaded but had not yet been executed.

      And if you're really going to point out the fact that the user can circumvent Gatekeeper by right-clicking, choosing to ignore the warnings, and launching anyway, then why not just point out that they can disable Gatekeeper entirely. Of course the user can choose to circumvent Gatekeeper. My point was that by default it prevents drive-by downloads from also executing.

    25. Re:but what about mountain lion by LostCauz · · Score: 1

      there is supposed to be a file name after com.apple.quarantine

              xattr -d com.apple.quarantine executable

      that's the correct command.

    26. Re:but what about mountain lion by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      You do realize that I was responding specifically to someone who was making a claim against Mountain Lion, right? This particular comment thread is about Mountain Lion and the fact that it's unaffected. He claimed otherwise. I disputed.

      *reads post title*

      ...

      I do now.

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    27. Re:but what about mountain lion by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Do you then have to do that for each thing you install with fink?

      Can you somehow just import another key instead?

    28. Re:but what about mountain lion by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative

      My guess is that (if Gatekeeper is enabled) every binary loaded by the system must be signed by Apple or else it wont load.

      Your guess is completely wrong.

      First, the way Gatekeeper works is by interposing the mechanism used for quarantining downloads. A binary compiled on your computer was never downloaded, so code you build yourself should be unaffected by Gatekeeper unless you upload and re-download it or manually set the quarantine flags for testing purposes.

      Second, because Gatekeeper is tied into the quarantine system, the check occurs only the first time that you launch an application. Any application that you installed under previous releases of the OS continues to work as it always did because again, it was not just downloaded.

      When a Gatekeeper check does occur, however, the behavior depends on which mode Gatekeeper is in (set in System Preferences). There are three modes: "Mac App Store" (the default), in which only apps downloaded from the Mac App Store are allowed to launch, "App Store and identified developers", in which apps downloaded from the Mac App Store or from other sites are allowed, but only if signed by a cert obtained from Apple's developer program, or "Anywhere" (essentially turning Gatekeeper off).

      In that middle mode, the app is not signed by Apple at all, but by a third-party developer. That third-party developer's cert is signed by Apple, of course, but the app itself isn't.

      And in all cases, you can override Gatekeeper's behavior by control-clicking the app and choosing "Open" instead of double-clicking it. This will give you the traditional set of prompts from previous OS releases in which it asks you if you want to launch this app that you've never launched before. Alternatively, you can turn Gatekeeper into "Anywhere" mode, launch the app, then change it back. Either way, once you have launched and un-quarantined a given app, Gatekeeper should never bother you again.

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    29. Re:but what about mountain lion by Baloroth · · Score: 1

      If the new malware is able to bypass the quarantine dialog in 10.7 already (TFS says "silently", so a safe assumption I think), that means Gatekeeper won't do anything: it relies on the quarantine flag on downloaded files. That's basically what it does, AFAICT: checks for the flag, block execution if it is flagged and not signed validly. I'm not sure if it will stop this malware or not: I was pointing out that it doesn't simply stop unsigned apps from executing at all, because it doesn't (and the fact that users can bypass it, without altering settings, means that programs almost certainly can as well, which means a fault in Firefox or Safari, for that matter, can probably also bypass it).

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    30. Re:but what about mountain lion by Moheeheeko · · Score: 1

      Its close enough to the 10.8 launch to be suspicious.

    31. Re:but what about mountain lion by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      You misunderstand what GP was saying. Gatekeeper only applies to binaries which have the "downloaded from internet" flag on. If it was downloaded without setting that flag (e.g. via wget, or some browser that just doesn't do it), it won't apply. If you download it elsewhere and then copy it to your Mac, it won't apply.

    32. Re:but what about mountain lion by mspohr · · Score: 2

      And at $20.00 for all of your computers, Apple will make billions... (or, maybe, at least cover some of their costs).

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    33. Re:but what about mountain lion by bledri · · Score: 1

      Its close enough to the 10.8 launch to be suspicious.

      I think you're tinfoil hat is on too tight.

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    34. Re:but what about mountain lion by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Is perl/python signed too? So what if the pwned browser runs perl -e "something nasty"?

      I've written perl stuff for OS X that can send info to "home base" and also get new instructions. For legit reasons- software/hardware asset management.

      It'll be interesting to see if the AV bunch can keep up with polymorphic malware scripts. TIMTOWTDI and so on.

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    35. Re:but what about mountain lion by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Gatekeeper is a new Mountain Lion feature that, by default, prevents any apps that are not from the Mac App Store and are not otherwise signed with an Apple-provided certificate from executing.

      How is Fink going to deal with that?

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    36. Re:but what about mountain lion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      umm it applies to executables from anywhere, flash drive, internet, ftp on the local network...if it's not signed, it's not signed. the end.

    37. Re:but what about mountain lion by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Gatekeeper can be disabled so that it allows anything, or circumvented by the user if they wish to do so on a per-app basis. More importantly however, and something I neglected to mention, Gatekeeper only applies to items downloaded via a browser. Command line-based tools and the like are unaffected.

    38. Re:but what about mountain lion by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      That's not the case, according to ArsTechnica review of Mountain Lion. And they prove their point by showing that if you remove the com.apple.quarantine xattr from the downloaded app, Gatekeeper does not kick in anymore regardless of it being not signed etc. And that attribute is added by the browser when you download, and wouldn't be present on a file copied from elsewhere, or the one downloaded by a program that doesn't apply that xattr.

    39. Re:but what about mountain lion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The browser is sandboxed. It cannot run perl anything.

    40. Re:but what about mountain lion by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Gatekeeper only applies to items downloaded via a browser.

      Which I suppose means it requires browser support? E.g. the X11 version of Firefox would probably not set the appropriate flags on things it downloads.

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    41. Re:but what about mountain lion by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      I couldn't say regarding that version of Firefox, but regardless, at that point you're talking about users who know what they are doing, which is likely also why they didn't have it apply to other methods of distribution as well.

    42. Re:but what about mountain lion by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      If an executable has sufficient privilege to run an arbitrary command, it can accomplish everything the effective UID allows it to. You still have all the second-line defenses, Unix permissions, Kernel and library ASLR, the Firewall, the signed entitlements system (if it applies)...

      The trick is getting a browser to call system(); this problem exists now and it's extremely difficult. Library ASLR has pretty much defeated it.

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    43. Re:but what about mountain lion by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      And at $20.00 for all of your computers, Apple will make billions... (or, maybe, at least cover some of their costs).

      ..unless your mac is 4+ year old hardware.. in which case Mountain Lion will refuse to install on the grounds that your GPU isnt compatible. Seriously...

      This is the Mountain Lion compatibility list:

      - iMac (Mid 2007 or newer)
      - MacBook (Late 2008 Aluminum, or Early 2009 or newer)
      - MacBook Pro (Mid/Late 2007 or newer)
      - MacBook Air (Late 2008 or newer)
      - Mac mini (Early 2009 or newer)
      - Mac Pro (Early 2008 or newer)
      - Xserve (Early 2009)

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    44. Re:but what about mountain lion by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Gatekeeper only applies to files downloaded off the Internet. If you compile an executable from source on your own machine, there is no problem.

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  3. let's ddos it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ping 176.58.100.37 -t

    1. Re:let's ddos it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Good call. Let me fire up my trojan botnet.

    2. Re:let's ddos it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like its already gone.

  4. cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by acidfast7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    how about an article on every windows- or android-based trojan.

    1. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      how about an article on every windows- or android-based trojan.

      Android and windows are not being sold as a safe heaven for troyan and viruses, Mac OS is.

    2. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking the same thing. I personally think the OS's Apple produces suck and I do not use them, but I'm guessing there is a PR department out there fueling the flames on these stories.

    3. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by acidfast7 · · Score: 1, Troll

      show me where on the Apple webpage that OS 10.8 is "a safe haven" from trojans and viruses?

    4. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      how about an article on every windows- or android-based trojan

      Mac OS Trojans are still pretty exceptional.

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    5. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by plover · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Things constantly improve on all sides, including the quality and sophistication of attacks. But people naturally want to hang onto the old ideas in their heads, partly because they're not close to the "other" system, and partly because they don't like having their old decisions questioned or their assumptions challenged. The "Macs are perfect" idea is again proven faulty, but so are the Mac and Unix people who assign the same amount of failure to Windows 7 that they saw with Windows XP a decade ago.

      It's not that Macs are "equally guilty as Windows" or that "Windows 7 is now perfect". It's just a perception thing. Human nature means that we can expect a ton of gloating and "I told you so!" kinds of responses. And while that doesn't mean a PR department is necessarily behind it, I can understand why a PR department would latch onto this and amplify it.

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    6. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by rhsanborn · · Score: 5, Informative

      They pulled that comment just a few months ago. Earlier this spring you would have found a claim that it doesn't get PC viruses (Don't be pedantic and claim that it doesn't get PC viruses because PC refers to windows viruses, that's a specious argument and it's a deliberate ploy to claim Macs don't get viruses). So yes, almost every currently deployed Mac was sold with the claim that Macs don't get viruses, directly from Apple.

      http://www.redmondpie.com/apple-removes-its-virus-immunity-claim-for-mac-from-official-website-not-so-safe-from-viruses-after-all-huh/

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/06/26/yes-apples-machines-really-can-get-viruses/

    7. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      Apple's never made that claim for 10.8, because they know they would get sued for false advertising. But they made the "Macs don't get viruses" claim to OS 10.5, 10.6, and 10.7 (which has been shown to be false).

      I like Macs. But not the pricetag (see my signature). I used them faithfully throughout college, but not anymore. I wish Commodore & Atari were still in business. They sold computers at prices normal people could afford ($150 for a C64, $500 for an Amiga or ST) (versus $2-3000 for IBM PC or Mac).

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    8. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by gtall · · Score: 1

      Yes, because a decent OS gui, associated software, and integration is priceless.

    9. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Krojack · · Score: 1

      Wait what? $2k-$3k for a Windows/Linux computer?

      Sure if you want the biggest and baddest machine currently out. You can easily build a Window/Linux machine for $900-$1500 tops that is pretty powerful.

    10. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Dunbal · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      because PC refers to windows viruses

      PC means personal computer and makes no reference whatsoever to the operating system running on it. Now we could argue that Mac machines are not, in fact, personal computers, but that is another point entirely. But you're wasting your time. Apple "Can Do No Wrong" in the eyes of its cultists. I ask myself, however, what exactly is it they are paying all that extra money for... Are their computers faster? No. Are their computers more secure? No. Are their computers able to do something that non Apple computers can? No. What they are, however, is shinier.

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    11. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      That's the same logic people use to justify buying Honda's $35,000 Acura that has automatic everything and can even park itself. Personally I'd rather buy a Honda Civic for $15,000, do my own parking, and give myself $20,000 worth of time off (3 months) to spend it with my wife & kids & friends.

      Ditto with PC v. Mac. Admittedly $600 saved isn't a lot, but it does eliminate the need to work overtime on Saturday to pay the Mac's extra cost.

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    12. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      No, thanks to Linux, a decent OS gui, associated software, and integration is free. Apple lock-in is the priceless part.

    13. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

      how about an article about Mac malware that doesn't feel compelled to mention Windows?

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    14. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I'd rather pay the $600 and get a decent piece of hardware - my company supplied i7-equipped system is five months old and is the biggest piece of crap I've used in a long, long time. I am certain that far more than $600 has been wasted in my time and IT support time just to repair and re-image the system multiple times.

      My 2009 Mac Mini at home just runs and runs and runs....

    15. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They pulled that comment just a few months ago. Earlier this spring you would have found a claim that it doesn't get PC viruses (Don't be pedantic and claim that it doesn't get PC viruses because PC refers to windows viruses, that's a specious argument and it's a deliberate ploy to claim Macs don't get viruses). So yes, almost every currently deployed Mac was sold with the claim that Macs don't get viruses, directly from Apple.

      http://www.redmondpie.com/apple-removes-its-virus-immunity-claim-for-mac-from-official-website-not-so-safe-from-viruses-after-all-huh/

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/06/26/yes-apples-machines-really-can-get-viruses/

      Apple never explicitly claimed that OS X is immune from viruses or that they don't get viruses, they just made a big hullabaloo about the fact that there is more malware for PCs (read: Windows) than there is for OS X. If Apple had made the claim that OS X in immune to malware they'd have had a class action lawsuit claiming false advertising on their hands the instant that the first OS X trojan arrived. So if you would be so kind as to provide a link to an archived page from Apple's own website where they expicitly claim that Macs cant get viruses we'd be interested in seeing it.

    16. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      You can easily build a Window/Linux machine for $900-$1500 tops that is pretty powerful.

      In 1985? The GP was talking about comparable systems that were out at the same time as an Atari ST or C64....

    17. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What they are, however, is shinier."

      And some of us like shinier, and have the metric buttloads of cash to buy them. Are you jealous that you don't?

      Sucks to be you!

    18. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by acidfast7 · · Score: 1

      That's a US-based advertising issue. I NEVER saw those comments on the Swedish and German versions of the pages, becuase you're not blatantly state incorrect facts ... for example, the US-based I'm and Mac and I'm a PC adverts aren't legal in Germany/Sweden (I saw them while watching illegal NFL feeds and my German/Swedish colleagues laughed at what can be advertised in the US).

    19. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      because PC refers to windows viruses

      PC means personal computer and makes no reference whatsoever to the operating system running on it.

      Wrong. When apple did their "I'm a PC, I'm a Mac" marketing campaing, it was perfectly clear they referred to Windows against OSX. They specifically insisted that a Mac and a PC are different, but the geeks we are know that PCs and Macs are almost the same on their hardware base. So what they referred to was about the OS they run.

      AND I AM NOT AN APPLE FANBOY! I have no Mac computers, no iPods, no iPhone

    20. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Wait what? $2k-$3k for a Windows/Linux computer?"

      Yes. That is what they cost back when you could buy a new Commodore for $150 and a new Atari for $600. Except Linux did not exist, and was therefore not mentioned. As opposed to the IBM PC or Mac that were mentioned.

      Please try to keep up with what the commenter is saying, and not fly off the handle at what you imagine.

    21. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Pretty" powerful? I can build gaming machines for ~ $500-$600 that do Skyrim on ultra.

    22. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 1

      how about an article about Mac malware that doesn't feel compelled to mention Windows?

      Come on, our resident Windows users have to wait months and years between opportunities to to take the piss out the users of other OSes over malware issues. Let them have their fun...

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    23. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you say $20,000 is 3 months' time off, which would seem to make your salary approx $80K per year. Yet you're obsessed with dial-up? You're putting the "W" in "WTF". Jesus-on-a-stick I never want to hear you bitch about dial-up again.

    24. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by neuralstatic · · Score: 0

      eh not exactly... it's being sold as a superior os and experience. and part of that is being much safer.

    25. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by AnonyMouseCowWard · · Score: 0

      The first sign of being a hipster is proclaiming you're not a hipster.

      Sorry, had to.

    26. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Bengie · · Score: 1

      From one extreme to the other. Your company supplied computer probably costed 1/4 the price of the Mac. For 1/2 the price of the Mac or 2x the price of company computer, you can build your own with much better parts than the Mac.

    27. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Jealous? Is that what Mac owners think? That other people get jealous of their overpriced crap? No I wouldn't want one if you gave it to me. I shake my head every time my daughter's overpriced MacBook has to be sent back to the shop for constant blue-screening. I shake my head every time my girlfriend's iPhone 4 starts running random apps, or the touch screen seems to be malfunctioning. Why would I be jealous of garbage like that? No, I just think it's incredibly funny. A fool and his money are soon parted.

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    28. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by fuocoZERO · · Score: 1

      No Mac computers, no iPods and no iPhone? HOW DO YOU LIVE!?!?

    29. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Pope · · Score: 1

      I am Hipster Spartacus!

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    30. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Pope · · Score: 1

      Why would I need to work overtime on a Saturday to pay for a Mac? I've never had to in the past.

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    31. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Don't be pedantic and claim that it doesn't get PC viruses because PC refers to windows viruses, that's a specious argument and it's a deliberate ploy to claim Macs don't get viruses

      Pedantic, but also correct. And you're right, it is a deliberate ploy to mislead the customer. But isn't that what all marketing is?

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    32. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That Apple intentionally misuses the term "PC" does not change the term's definition. If Toyota advertised that no one driving one of their vehicles had ever been injured in a car accident (implying 100% safety), and when challenged defended their claim by saying "it's a Toyota, not a car, and therefore by definition can't be in a 'car accident'", pretty much everyone would recognize that as bullshit and they would quickly lose any related false advertising lawsuits.

    33. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      That's the same logic people use to justify buying Honda's $35,000 Acura that has automatic everything and can even park itself. Personally I'd rather buy a Honda Civic for $15,000, do my own parking, and give myself $20,000 worth of time off (3 months) to spend it with my wife & kids & friends.

      Wow, are your priorities whack. What could possibly be more important than a status symbol? Bad American! *smacks you on nose with newspaper* :-D
      (actually I have no idea if you're an american or not.. though I am.. and drive a 15 year old car.)

      I sometimes wonder just how much influence Hollywood has had on Mac purchases, since most shows and movies that heavily featured laptops or computers in use - at least in the nineties and 2000s- usually depicted Macs. The only exceptions I can think of off the top my head: on Big Bang theory Leonard and Sheldon use Alienware (PC) laptops, and on the short lived X Files spin-off "The Lone Gunman" the hackers actually used Unix or Linux.

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    34. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 1

      HOW DO YOU LIVE!?!?

      With my heart beating and my lungs breathing.

    35. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by repetty · · Score: 1

      That's the same logic people use to justify buying Honda's $35,000 Acura that has automatic everything and can even park itself. Personally I'd rather buy a Honda Civic for $15,000, do my own parking, and give myself $20,000 worth of time off (3 months) to spend it with my wife & kids & friends.

      Ditto with PC v. Mac. Admittedly $600 saved isn't a lot, but it does eliminate the need to work overtime on Saturday to pay the Mac's extra cost.

      This seems to be a good opportunity to reprise what experienced IT administrators all know: Acquisition is a small part of the entire cost of owning and operating a computer over its lifetime.

      Home computer users don't really have good visibility to this.

      Me? I'd rather spend the $600 up front and save a ton of time and money over the years. But that's just me.

    36. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because one company provides an advertisement proclaiming something doesn't mean it has become the standard. Hope you are not one of those that believe everything that you watch on TV.

      The term PC means exactly 'Personal Computer'. It is generally a generic term for a computer that isn't a mainframe computer or minicomputer that a user doesn't have to utilize for timesharing. PC was meant to be generic, because before the IBM PCs, there were PCs running other operating systems other than MS-DOS or Windows, such as CP/M computers, C-64, Vic-20, Tandy, Amiga, Jaguar, etc. While many people may be referring PC with Windows based computers, as generally, it is the largest marketshare, there are still Linux computers, Mac/Apple computers and etc. These are all Personal Computers, period.

    37. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by sootman · · Score: 1

      In a few years, once phones and tablets--really personal computers--outnumber traditional computers by one or two orders of magnitude, "Personal Computer" will be a quant anachronism, like "minicomputer" is now.

      Naming hardware based on its relative size is as dumb as naming your software based on the year.

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    38. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      >>>experienced IT administrators all know: Acquisition is a small part of the entire cost of owning and operating a computer over its lifetime.

      I buy a PC and plop it on the floor next to my recliner. The end. There is no additional cost..... the AVG keeps-out the viruses, and Microsoft supplies free service pack 0.1 updates (versus Apple who charges for them). My current PC lasted 10 years with no additional money spent..... thus I saved ~$600 by not getting the overpriced Mac.

      Oh and it's a mistake to assume Mac's never have administrative problems, and thus have Zero adminstrative costs. I took some time to read ars technica articles on OS X 10.7, and that version had TONS of problems. Apparently some 10.7 Macs couldn't even do a basic function like talk to WiFi. Not until 10.7.3 was that issue resolved..... pathetic.

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    39. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      >>>Wait what? $2k-$3k for a Windows/Linux computer?

      (1) Yes in the 80s IBM PCs and Macs cost that much. Atari STs and Commodore Amigas were $500 for the low-end, $1000 for the high end. In other words affordable. (2) Linux didn't exist yet.

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    40. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by an+unsound+mind · · Score: 1

      Actually, I haven't had any problems like that with my iPhone, so YMMV.

      In fact, the problems with my iPhone have been few and far between - unlike my Android phone.

      iTunes is a piece of shit but functions for what I use it for - as long as I keep all wireless options off.

      Also, your daughter's MacBook is not blue-screening. And MacBooks overall aren't overpriced crap - they're well-designed high-end pieces of hardware. The laptops with the same features at the same (or cheaper) price range are rare already - nevermind the fact that the build doesn't feel like someone overclocked it as an afterthought.

    41. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Also, your daughter's MacBook is not blue-screening.

      Kernel panic, or whatever you want to call it. It crashes. First they blamed the hard drive. Then they blamed the memory. She's been suffering for a year, and it still does it from time to time.

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    42. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you going to have the computer for just one saturday? Or for years? It's worth it to spend a little extra to get a luxury item that will make life easier?

    43. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the Mac vs. PC ads that apple ran for years didn't make that distinction. So, just because they are backpedaling now doesn't erase the lies they told.

    44. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 1

      Apple considers their range if laptops and desktops to be PCs so...

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    45. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by an+unsound+mind · · Score: 1

      I'm Hipster Superman.

      You probably haven't heard of me, I'm pretty obscure.

      (Joke credit: 5sf)

    46. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      how about an article on every windows- or android-based trojan.

      Because it's just a whole lot more fun to see the holy annointed iHeads squirm.

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    47. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by gtall · · Score: 1

      Never saw a Linux OS gui that worked well, associated software is a pile of inconsistent pieces, and integration means I get to spend hours integrating it myself and having to put up with Linux snobs on forums attempting to get simple answers. Linux cesspool is the priceless part.

    48. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      They are probably right to suspect hardware, or maybe it is some software she has with some buggy drivers. Most people's Macs don't kernel panic regularly.

      Most people's iPhones don't launch random apps either. I think your daughter and your girlfriend are just unlucky.

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    49. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Microsoft supplies free service pack 0.1 updates (versus Apple who charges for them).

      Apple does not charge for the equivalent of service packs. They do charge for major releases of OS X but the cost of the last two has been more than reasonable ($20 for ML) when you consider that they are DRM free and even the licence says you can install on multiple computers that you own.

      My current PC lasted 10 years with no additional money spent..... thus I saved ~$600 by not getting the overpriced Mac.

      So you have had to put up with Windows XP for ten years. Good for you. I think it's worth the cost to avoid that operating system whether by getting a Mac or a Windows 7 PC when available or installing Linux.

      Oh and it's a mistake to assume Mac's never have administrative problems, and thus have Zero adminstrative costs. I took some time to read ars technica articles on OS X 10.7, and that version had TONS of problems. Apparently some 10.7 Macs couldn't even do a basic function like talk to WiFi. Not until 10.7.3 was that issue resolved..... pathetic.

      There is allegedly a bug in early versions of 10.7 that caused the wireless to drop out frequently. I never suffered from it myself but I know of one person who did. Anyway, they eventually fxed it with a (free) update.

      OS X Lion was a disappointment in several ways mostly relating to stability. With any luck Apple have put that behind them in much the same way that Microsoft can look back on Vista as a bad dream.

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    50. Re:cool ... good that I use OS 10.5 by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      >>>Apple does not charge for the equivalent of service packs.

      The now-annual updates from 0.6 to 0.7 to 0.8 are equivalent to Microsoft's service packs. Difference is MS provides those major OS upgrades for free, while Apple charges.

      The Apple +0.0.1 updates that are free are equivalent to Microsoft's nightly updates/bugfixes. When Apple jumped from OS 8 to OS 9 to OS X that was equivalent to Microsoft's moves from 95 to 98 to XP.

      And all of this doesn't matter. As my sig shows Apple's simply cost too damn much, right from the start:

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  5. More common... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everything is "more common on windows" than mac regarding malware, because hitherto that's the softest, most rewarding target. With so many idevices, that's changing.

  6. OSX - soon to be the Windows of the computer world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I love my MacBook, but this goes to show that security through obscurity isn't a great way to go.

  7. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by SilverJets · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not a virus.

  8. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is not a Virus, this is a Trojan. At least try to read the summary, I bet even your kids can do that.

  9. Re:OSX - soon to be the Windows of the computer wo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I also have Windows 7 on it with Bootcamp and run AV scans on both operating systems, because no OS is infallible.

  10. but it's never been seen in the wild by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    if you actually read the article this is just some bullshit proof of concept made by a anti-virus company to shake down mac users. it's never actually been seen outside of a security website.

    1. Re:but it's never been seen in the wild by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you actually read the article this is just some bullshit proof of concept made by a anti-virus company to shake down mac users. it's never actually been seen outside of a security website.

      Yeah, no, that's not what it says. Maybe you should read the article.

    2. Re:but it's never been seen in the wild by Desler · · Score: 3, Informative

      Maybe you should?

      Intego, which had to update its anti-malware signatures upon discovering the threat, refers to it as "OSX/Crisis." The good news is that the security firm has yet to find OSX/Crisis in the wild; the company only stumbled upon it over at VirusTotal, a service for analyzing suspicious files and URLs.

      So there is no proof of it being in the wild and was only found on a website for analyzing files. So how exactly were they wrong?

    3. Re:but it's never been seen in the wild by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 2

      So there is no proof of it being in the wild and was only found on a website for analyzing files. So how exactly were they wrong?

      Where do you think the "suspicious files" come from?

    4. Re:but it's never been seen in the wild by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, while you can't prove this particular virus was made by Intego, they do have a track record of coming up with "proof of concept" virii/trojans to make press releases and sell software.

    5. Re:but it's never been seen in the wild by goffster · · Score: 1

      This is Microsoft's stock answer.

    6. Re:but it's never been seen in the wild by chrb · · Score: 1

      if you actually read the article this is just some bullshit proof of concept made by a anti-virus company to shake down mac users.

      Yeah, no, that's not what it says. Maybe you should read the article.

      So how exactly were they wrong?

      The article does not claim that this is a "bullshit proof of concept made by a anti-virus company to shake down mac users". That is how the original poster was wrong.

    7. Re:but it's never been seen in the wild by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      So there is no proof of it being in the wild and was only found on a website for analyzing files. So how exactly were they wrong?

      How exactly do you think it wound up on a website for "analyzing suspicious files and URLs?" Do you think the creator submitted his new trojan to that site without releasing it anywhere else? Because the only reason that would be true is if the creator was Apple, and they wanted to scare people running older versions.

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    8. Re:but it's never been seen in the wild by zaren · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should look closer at the part about it being a proof of concept bug created by the antivirus company that's reporting it? This makes at least the second time in recent time that this company has done this - go out of their way to come up with an exploit, and then dump a press release to warn everyone about it and brag about how they were the first to update their antivirus software to combat it.

      Actually, this company's been sending up false flags on the Mac side since at least 2004 - see http://daringfireball.net/2004/04/crying_wolf - so I wouldn't trust them any farther than I could comfortably spit out a rat.

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  11. Little Snitch should catch it, tho, right? by jbeach · · Score: 1

    Hopefully LIttle Snitch alerts about this, and can block it?

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  12. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is not a Kid, this is a Virus. At least try to read the summary, I bet even your Trojan can do that.

  13. Re:OSX - soon to be the Windows of the computer wo by crashumbc · · Score: 1

    Well, it "was", the problem is Macs and OS x are no longer "obscure" ...

  14. How convenient by bugs2squash · · Score: 3, Funny

    that a new version of OSX has just become available to purchase, better rush out and buy it.

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    1. Re:How convenient by Desler · · Score: 1

      Yes, because Apple is well known for colluding with anti-virus companies to sell new versions of their OS.

    2. Re:How convenient by repetty · · Score: 1

      that a new version of OSX has just become available to purchase, better rush out and buy it.

      Yeah, and it's a total rip-off at $20!

    3. Re:How convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $20 for a service pack IS a ripoff.

    4. Re:How convenient by armanox · · Score: 1

      That would be true, but this isn't a service pack.

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  15. Really good news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is really good to hear. Lately, remembering all of those passwords
    has been a problem (and I'm sure many others have had the same experience),
    so the fact that it installs without a password is a real convenience for me.

    Let's face it, these kind of things give the lock-in architecture more credibility,
    so I'm suspecious of the money driving these types of thing...

    Just sayin'

    CAPTCHA = actually (Really!)

  16. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They don't, but you can't fix stupid, which is what trojans exploit.

  17. Horrible, horrible threat... by mrdogi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The backdoor component calls home to the IP address 176.58.100.37 every five minutes, awaiting instructions. The threat was created in a way that is intended to make reverse engineering more difficult...

    However, blocking the threat is as simple as an ACL on your router...

    1. Re:Horrible, horrible threat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can it be done with a hosts file?

    2. Re:Horrible, horrible threat... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      Nope. The hosts file is used to resolve a host name locally (e.g. not via a DNS server).

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    3. Re:Horrible, horrible threat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no because it's not a hostname, you have to do it with a router or firewall

    4. Re:Horrible, horrible threat... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      The address seems to be located in the UK. Try to arrange a chat at this address, and you get yourself a way to learn the 9 yo UK English :-)

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    5. Re:Horrible, horrible threat... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      However, blocking the threat is as simple as an ACL on your router...

      This time. Next week it's a different address. So now you're playing Wack-a-mole?

      Sounds like a vaguely familiar strategy....

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    6. Re:Horrible, horrible threat... by SJHillman · · Score: 2

      No, but it can be done with wire cutters.

    7. Re:Horrible, horrible threat... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      The backdoor component calls home to the IP address 176.58.100.37 every five minutes, awaiting instructions. The threat was created in a way that is intended to make reverse engineering more difficult... However, blocking the threat is as simple as an ACL on your router...

      Assuming the only access your machine has to the internet is via said router...

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    8. Re:Horrible, horrible threat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SHH! Don't awaken the trolls!

    9. Re:Horrible, horrible threat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quick, someone make a GUI in Visual Basic ! We can track this bastard !

    10. Re:Horrible, horrible threat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^ :-D

  18. Who is willing to bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That that IP comes under an extremely heavy DDOS about now?

    1. Re:Who is willing to bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      How? From all the Mac users who know how to do that?

      *said while holding up "sarcasm" sign*

  19. Mac Trojan Installs Silently, No Password Required by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's not a trojan, that's Mountain Lion.

  20. Re:OSX - soon to be the Windows of the computer wo by Theoden · · Score: 1

    I love my MacBook, but this goes to show that security through obscurity isn't a great way to go.

    Security through obscurity has always been a myth. :P If it was truly the case, why did (does?) malware on pre-OS X (System 7.5 - Mac OS 9) greatly outnumber that on OS X systems? :P

  21. Little Snitch Works! by BoRegardless · · Score: 2

    To catch outgoing calls.

  22. Re:also writing "OS X 10.5" is like ATM machine... by tgd · · Score: 1

    repetitive much?

    No, its not. The product is "OS X". The version is 10.5.

    What else would you say? "OS X 5"? That's neither the product, nor the version.

  23. Re:OSX - soon to be the Windows of the computer wo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Security through obscurity was never an Apple thing. This sort of comment is made by people who don't know anything but want to sound like they do.. Prior to OS X there was plenty of malware for Macs which had a far smaller market share than they do now. But OS X being Unix based did not offer the opportunities of pervious mac OS' or Windows. It was hard to do.
    Now there is a tiny amount of malware for OS X including this one which has never been seen in the wild. Of course slashdot doesn't mention that because they are all about the page views now.
    The the Windows kids with their Best Buy laptops daddy bought them get on and say how somehow the thousands of viruses and malware they deal with are just the same on Macs. Right.
    Don't forget the Android contingent. Also predominantly teenage boys whose daddy bought their phone on a BOGO offer they never miss an opportunity to ry about Apple like the ignorant whiners they are.

  24. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Kids and Viruses have a lot in common. They delete all your stuff, cost tons of money in repairs. The big difference is that you usually like it more when your kids replicate.

  25. Re:also writing "OS X 10.5" is like ATM machine... by acidfast7 · · Score: 0

    how about OS 10.5?

  26. Re:also writing "OS X 10.5" is like ATM machine... by tstrunk · · Score: 1

    repetitive much?

    "also writing "OS X 10.5" is like ATM machine..."
    If there was only a little bit of truth in that statement:

    OSX 10.5 doesn't get security patches anymore, as written here: http://www.sture.ch/node/196
    So using 10.5 (and if the link is correct also 10.6 from now on) is a bigger security threat than this single Trojan reported here.

  27. naming conventions by slashmydots · · Score: 2

    So they just assign these viruses an arbitrary nickname, right? I think "Crisis" was a pretty funny shot at Apple, seeing as how they refuse to admit the last month or two has been one for them because of viruses. But if anyone can just randomly assign it a name, why not go all the way and name it Lol@Apple then the next one Lol@Apple2 etc?

    1. Re:naming conventions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the Apple II was almost universally beloved.

    2. Re:naming conventions by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      Is that the one that would erase magnetic tapes in the drive when the power supply shut off because of a massive EMP blast every time? Or is it the one that overheated under all conditions because Steve Jobs didn't want a fan because it ruined the design?

  28. Re:also writing "OS X 10.5" is like ATM machine... by tstrunk · · Score: 1

    Sorry, didn't get it. My reply therefore doesn't make sense.

  29. How can reverse engineering be difficult? by Viol8 · · Score: 2

    Disassemble it and follow the code. Even if some of the code is encrypted something in the virus will have to decrypt it before it can be run and you'll have that on hand too.

    I'm not saying its easy but its not protected by some magic ward.

    1. Re:How can reverse engineering be difficult? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's harder than you think for sure.

      The code detects the debugger and changes it's behavior or disables the debugger. The debugger has to use registers in the CPU as well.

      Their code looks for known debuggers in the various registers and constantly wipes out various things the debugger has flagged in the CPU.

      Ultimately these tools decrypt their payload so you can't just dump the raw binary. You have to get them to run and decrypt the payload without detecting that you're using a debugger. That's actually pretty damn hard and where most of the time is spent.

      It's like trying to catch a kid picking his nose. He only does it when your not watching. You have to be sneaky.

    2. Re:How can reverse engineering be difficult? by Viol8 · · Score: 3, Informative

      "The code detects the debugger and changes it's behavior or disables the debugger."

      Code can't detect being disassembled because its not being run.

      "Ultimately these tools decrypt their payload so you can't just dump the raw binary. You have to get them to run and decrypt the payload without detecting that you're using a debugger. That's actually pretty damn hard and where most of the time is spent."

      Understood, but if you have the assembler code that does the initial decryption on hand then you just rip out the decryption part and run it on the payload.

      Ultimately you can always single step through each instruction and the program simply won't have a chance to wipe debugger information because you'll see it about to do it before it happens and can break at that point.

    3. Re:How can reverse engineering be difficult? by swb · · Score: 1

      Are there any tools for doing this with a hypervisor or some other 100% emulated environment, or perhaps kernel trace modules that are capable of this in a way hard or impossible for a process to detect?

      I would have thought by now that there would be completely invisible debugging environments via whatever method was necessary to accomplish it, either designed specifically for the security trade or for reverse engineering markets.

    4. Re:How can reverse engineering be difficult? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      This is an antivirus company we're talking about.

      The whole thing seems a little suspicious as yet. They "found" this trojan on a website security professionals use to share suspicious files, but haven't seen it in the wild? Intego's own article (http://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/new-apple-mac-trojan-called-osxcrisis-discovered-by-intego-virus-team/) says they "have not yet seen if or how this threat is installed on a user’s system." Really? So how do they know it doesn't ask for a password? How do they know it's even real?

      They go on to say lots of other things that don't really seem to be supported by other admissions in their article. Of course they end with a pitch to buy their software.

    5. Re:How can reverse engineering be difficult? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, too bad you can't analyze the code by running it by hand one instruction at a time...

      Oh wait, you can!

    6. Re:How can reverse engineering be difficult? by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      They're probably acting as paid Apple shills to push adoption of ML.

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    7. Re:How can reverse engineering be difficult? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Code can't detect being disassembled because its not being run."

      That's why I said it was encrypted. Without running it at least somewhat, you will have a hard time understanding the code.

      Then when you RUN the code to catch it's decrypted payload, it can fail to decrypt the code if it can detect a debugger, or act differently.

      http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/windows-anti-debug-reference

      http://www.veracode.com/blog/2009/02/anti-debugging-series-part-iv/

      http://rdist.root.org/2008/05/21/anti-debugging-using-up-a-resource-versus-checking-it/

      I won't google any more. Try keywords like "Anti debugger" and "anti debug register". Surely since it isn't a big deal all these articles are for fun right? You don't think anyone has built newer undiscovered protections? Think again.

    8. Re:How can reverse engineering be difficult? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just run it in a debugger, and NOP the part that checks if its running in a debugger. Essentially just making a crack.

    9. Re:How can reverse engineering be difficult? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Said the crazy and mildly drunk uncle from the far end of the holiday dinner table. Also, the guv'mint kids swear too much and music ain't no good no more.

    10. Re:How can reverse engineering be difficult? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is possible to write code which relies of tricks within the x86 that use self-modifying code. Many of the old-school viruses used little tricks like changing an address after it was too far into the pipeline to be effectively changed.
      So, if you are single-stepping the code to watch it disassemble, the fact that you have the single-step flag turned on, and (DOS mode) hits INT 1 after every instruction and runs the debugger code, flushes out the self-modified value, so the code actually operates differently because the actual value in the registers is restored instead of the cached value in the pipeline.
      Really, what you are supposed to do is copy the decryption loop somewhere else in memory and modify it to decrypt the data but not execute the next set of instructions, instead of single-stepping. Do any of you remember doing this to The Bard's Tale or Sargon III or so many of the Epyx games? Sorry, had a lawn moment there.
      In fact, the world between copy-protection code and preventing decryption is pretty similar.

    11. Re:How can reverse engineering be difficult? by konohitowa · · Score: 1

      Wow. The Bard's Tale. Tempted to break out the old floppies...

    12. Re:How can reverse engineering be difficult? by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Ultimately you can always single step through each instruction and the program simply won't have a chance to wipe debugger information because you'll see it about to do it before it happens and can break at that point.

      It is fairly trivial to write code that cannot be single-stepped, so trivial is the technique that it can literally be placed every other instruction. Have fun using your "break at that point" technique thousands of times just to get through the decryption, let alone the thousands of times its also used in the encrypted payload.

      The technique has been valid since the 80386, and will not be fixed because the consequences of fixing it is effectively the removal of the instruction pipeline and all of its tremendous performance advantages.

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    13. Re:How can reverse engineering be difficult? by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "That's why I said it was encrypted. "

      It the code was entirely encrypted it wouldn't run you moron. The initial code has to be normal x86 machine code. Once you isolate that you work from there.

      "Then when you RUN the code to catch it's decrypted payload,"

      Thats why you disassemble the decrypter first to see how it works FFS.

  30. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by Killer+Instinct · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you had a trojan you might not have kids or catch a bad virus as easily
    -KI

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  31. Another name, more details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's called "Morcut" by Sophos and they offer a free anti-virus product for Mac OS X.

    They claim it's designed to access these things: mouse coordinates, instant messengers (for instance, Skype [including call data], Adium and MSN Messenger), location, internal webcam, clipboard contents, key presses, running applications, web URLs, screenshots, internal microphone, calendar data & alerts, device information, address book contents

  32. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

    ::golf clap::

  33. User mode malware by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems more and more these days, that malware is becoming user-mode to avoid the nasty popups that comes with trying to gain administrator mode.

    Which makes sense as a lot of stuff you need to do as malware can be done strictly as usermode without needing to get admin priviledges. This one apparently checks to see if it can get admin or running in a restricted user account.

    So even malware these days are learning to be friendly and compatible with users who aren't admins and not requiring admin for everything.

    1. Re:User mode malware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems more and more these days, that malware is becoming user-mode to avoid the nasty popups that comes with trying to gain administrator mode.

      Which makes sense as a lot of stuff you need to do as malware can be done strictly as usermode without needing to get admin priviledges. This one apparently checks to see if it can get admin or running in a restricted user account.

      So even malware these days are learning to be friendly and compatible with users who aren't admins and not requiring admin for everything.

      Some built in simple clarification about file structure for clueless users might help nip user space malware in the bud. I am a long time linux user. As such I understand the . prefix designation for hiding configuration files and binaries.

      Perhaps it would be a good idea for Apple and Microsoft to do a little bit of of education by putting a small app on the desktop that checks and reports all new hidden user directory files, with simple explanations of what the hidden files are doing and why cleaning out on a regular basis will not alter your core. After all a binary executable that runs in userland is really just a file or a subset of a file, and even the most clueless users can understand why house keeping your home directory is a good practice. Hell if they don't I might just write some opensource ones that do exactly that. Might scare the hell out of the snake oil so called computer security people that want to sell a/v and anti malware...like the guys who cooked up the phoney Mac malware that this article is about.

      I just wonder who is funding them. Perhaps they are just getting desperate to prove that Apple is as bad as Microsoft so that everybody with a Mac will run out and buy their snake oil the way Windows users do. Might even be some unemployed coders trying to prove to their ex employer that they are really great at what they do! Heck all it would take is a few real security these guys trying to find work and presto a new software release of SyMactec System Tools with antivirus and antimalware is in the works and in the stores. Hell they might even start peddling it for your Android and Iphone as a must have for idiots. Grrr.... nothing pisses me off more that the snake oil computer software repair industry.

  34. Re:OSX - soon to be the Windows of the computer wo by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2

    Obscurity is just one valid tool in a security arsenal -- but it shouldn't be the only one. Ranked high above it in importance is "user education" - a feat that's nearly impossible as we continue to dumb down the computing experience.
     

  35. Re:also writing "OS X 10.5" is like ATM machine... by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

    But OS isn't the name. So while it would probably be easy to tell from context what you are referring to, it's hardly redundant to call OS X 10.5 by it's designated name (and version).

    In other words, you are wrong. Get over it.

  36. Re:OSX - soon to be the Windows of the computer wo by vistapwns · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I answer this question so much I should just put it on my blog and link to it. System 7.5 - Mac OS 9 had NO SECURITY whatsoever and software was shared with write-able disks, and so, many people wrote malware for fun and fame in those days. Since around Mac OS X's release, software is distributed on read-only media (CDs, DVDs. blu-ray is still a bag of hurt I hear) and the threats come from exploiting programs over the network or social engineering to trick the user to download a trojan. Exploiting a program and social engineering mean selecting mac users on web sites when they are outnumbered 10:1 by Windows users typically, with malware being profit driven now-a-days because all of the mainstream OSes are basically secure against the trivial threats of 90's malware, it hardly ever makes sense to target 5% over 90%. In the same sense that most games are not available for macs, the profit incentive is not there. The argument that your logic leads to is that Macs are not infected because they can not be infected, but this and other malware prove that wrong. Mac malware thusfar does not do anything profound that Windows malware doesn't do, basically the user is tricked into downloading it and it does what it wants. It's not like mac malware so-far is some mission impossible type stuff and more difficult to deploy than windows malware..

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  37. Re:also writing "OS X 10.5" is like ATM machine... by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

    >>>The product is "OS X". The version is 10.5.

    So macs have been using the same OS since 2000? Wow. And I thought XP had a long lifespan. At least we XP users got our versions (SP0,1,2,3) for free and didn't have to pay for them.

    According to ars techica the proper pronouncement of OS X 10.5 is "O.S. ten ten point five" so yeah the grandparent poster was correct. It's redundant.

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  38. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by Cwix · · Score: 1

    Pure awesome.

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  39. Clever by Sparticus789 · · Score: 1

    "The latest threat further underlines the importance of protecting Macs against malware with an updated antivirus program as well as the latest security updates. That means you should start by geting OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion when it comes out Wednesday "

    From the bottom of the article..... so is this an actual computer threat or a nefarious marketing ploy by Apple to make you upgrade?

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  40. Re:also writing "OS X 10.5" is like ATM machine... by elfprince13 · · Score: 2

    In Mac land, that would imply you had some non-existent version of classic Mac OS in which development had proceeded beyond version 9. "Mac OS" is not the same as "Mac OS X"

  41. It's in the cloud! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    li446-37.members.linode.com [176.58.100.37]

  42. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not a Virus, this is a Trojan. At least try to read the summary, I bet even your kids can do that.

    But even children can understand the point of him saying that. Even a child can understand sarcasm. So obviously youre less than a child.

    The point was every mac fanboy screams "MAS DONT GET VIRUSES!" because its the only single positive they can be brainwashed into using as a defense in the face of the fact that windows pc's are far superior in every way and are a lot less expensive.

    The point is whether it be trojan or virus they are both intrusive pieces of software that are bad for anyone who gets them and meant to cause harm. So really there is no difference in their intent. Youre just trying to argue scemantics because you feel the need to make smug comments and completely avoid context just so you can have a sense of self satisfaction at "Really telling someone how it is". Go away.

  43. Re:also writing "OS X 10.5" is like ATM machine... by acidfast7 · · Score: 1

    yeah, it would take one brain cell (and a weak one at that) to know the difference ... and I say this as a long-time mac OS user.

  44. Re:also writing "OS X 10.5" is like ATM machine... by acidfast7 · · Score: 1

    thanks! maybe every on here is from the iOS generation, and doesn't know the difference :(

  45. Re:Linode UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assuming this is not simply a proof-of-concept, it should be easy enough to report the offending IP address to Linode and have them shut things down. It's in clear violation of their TOS, and the company provides an email address for reporting just such things.

    Btw, whois shows that "this block is used for static customer allocations".

  46. Maybe Chrome.. but not Firefox.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firefox has a horrible record on security.

    http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox.html

    "Critical: Vulnerability can be used to run attacker code and install software, requiring no user interaction beyond normal browsing."

    Awful lot of those. Sure you can install all kinds of addons like noscript to make it a bit more secure, but Chrome requires no such thing.

    Firefox being secure is just a myth. If you read slashdot these bugs are obviously never reported unlike other browsers where every single bug is trumpeted from the rooftops as the end of all computing.

  47. /etc/hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $>pico /etc/hosts
    176.58.100.37 localhost
    [save] file.

    Done.

    1. Re:/etc/hosts by bwintx · · Score: 1

      That is without a doubt the least verbose post I've ever seen from APK. Hope this marks a new trend.

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    2. Re:/etc/hosts by cod3r_ · · Score: 0

      you sir, are a genius.

    3. Re:/etc/hosts by otuz · · Score: 1

      This should be +5 Funny.

    4. Re:/etc/hosts by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      I don't know if this is meant to be a joke or not, but if it was supposed to be a serious, it doesn't work. All it does is direct traffic for localhost to that IP address instead of 127.0.0.1.

      If the malware attempted to connect to li446-37.members.linode.com and you put

      127.0.0.1 li446-37.members.linode.com

      in your hosts file, that would be fine.

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  48. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by SilverJets · · Score: 1

    HIV and a broken femur will both put you in the hospital. But it certainly isn't semantics to argue that a broken femur is not a virus.

    Same goes for this argument. A trojan is not a virus and saying so is not a smug comment. Saying "Windows PCs are far superior in every way to Macs" however, is a smug comment.

  49. Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now Windows viruses are affecting Macs. Thanks Microsoft!

  50. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you had a trojan you might not have kids or catch a bad virus as easily
    -KI

    I am a Trojan you insensitive clod... and while we are on the subject, where the hell do you get off dragging the name of my home town through the mud?

  51. Re:also writing "OS X 10.5" is like ATM machine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >> So macs have been using the same OS since 2000? Wow. And I thought XP had a long lifespan. At least we XP users got our versions (SP0,1,2,3) for free and didn't have to pay for them.

    In Apple's numbering scheme, when you see Mac OS X 10.AAA or Mac OS X 10.AAA.BBB, the AAA indicates a major release (like XP vs. Vista vs. 7 vs. 8). The charges for upgrading a single copy of a major release have varied from $20 to $129; even $129 is generally cheaper than what Windows users must pay for THEIR major release upgrades. The BBB releases ("service packs", "components of service packs") have always been free (to people with the same major release).

    I think Apple has probably used this scheme so they can stay with "Mac OS X" and that large "X" as a logo, instead of having to go to "XI", "XII", etc. Then again, Intel has been at least as bad. They supposedly went from "80486" to "Pentium" to make it harder for chipmakers like AMD to use similar names. But once Intel was on Pentium (which implies "5", as in "80586"), they stayed with it, introducing the Pentium II, Pentium III, and Pentium IV.

  52. It is not so simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simple encrypt all the code. Not sure why anybody would want to burden their computer with constant RAM scanning tools but that isn't too difficult to avoid: Start/work/stop/zero ram/exit. An additional wrapper to the decrypt process which inserts random junk code plus minor modifications (1st step after decrypt is to load more decoding layers.) For example, change memory allocations to randomized sizes, add various kinds of null ops, jump (goto) is your friend...

    Use standard library calls to decrypt making the decoder smaller - one could create multiple variations on the decoders (including using scripting languages... Perl would really be great for stopping reverse engineering...) Thread code sucks to watch. System libraries allow for scheduling; starting at login or running every day might be easy to spot IF one is looking there; many other triggers exist.

    On disk, you install in many different locations and in different ways-- the tiny decrypt routine does not have to be copy/pasted into position 0. It can be placed anywhere in a binary and the code can be interlaced with LEGIT program code. It can get so bad that a percentage of them never fully function or never are executed and the infected apps might become "buggy."

    Process lists and system values are not guarded that well from reading, one could detect tools, modes, processes, installed software and change behavior accordingly. With all the AIDS stuff getting attention in the 80s I'm surprised every virus didn't immediately attack every threatening program. I would have immediately corrupted preference files... Besides doing things like noticing when the Installer is launched and spoofing the user when they are mindlessly clicking Continue. Then you have the local network... every moron IT person thought and many still think firewalls protect them when they do so little - when Wifi came out people finally started noticing the problem (I think.)

    When I was a teen I thought up all this stuff... before I learned the OS had no security. It is not difficult; security work - now that is difficult.

    Signed apps will make this more difficult and the new BSD-like jails system will also make it difficult.

  53. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by kaizokuace · · Score: 2

    the golf clap is a nasty one

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  54. Be aware of the false positive. by DJ+Particle · · Score: 1

    There is *supposed* to be an item in "Foundation.framework" called "XPCServices", but it's not a folder, it's a shortcut.

    If you actually have a FOLDER called that, then you're infected.

  55. Re:also writing "OS X 10.5" is like ATM machine... by Bengie · · Score: 1

    So macs have been using the same OS since 2000?

    Other than compatibility has been broken numerous times. Kind of like saying Win95 is the same as WinXP because the UI looks similar and they're both called "Windows".

  56. Re:also writing "OS X 10.5" is like ATM machine... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

    The product line is OS X (née Mac OS X), which is a proper name for a family of products (that coincidentally also matches with the version number), meaning it's not redundant. 10.5's official name is "OS X Leopard", since Apple dropped the "Mac" in all references to the OS, even older versions, with the release of Mountain Lion, and they haven't used version numbers in the official names for some time. If you want to specify the version number, the proper way to do so is not to merely add it after the X (so you are correct about that), but to insert some indicator of what the number represents. For instance, in the requirements for Mountain Lion, they specify that it needs "OS X v10.6.8" or later.

  57. How to protect yourself by jwill7g9 · · Score: 1

    Since the majority of Mac Owners don't know how to protect themselves which is why they own Macs:
    1) Launch Terminal
    2) sudo ipfw add 1000 deny all from any to 176.58.100.37
    3) Enter Your Password

    1. Re:How to protect yourself by JackAxe · · Score: 1

      Cool! Thanks! I own PCs also and have been virus free since the nineties; The Monkey virus under DOS and later an autostart worm on my Mac(G3). I'm just a bit of a layman when it comes to the terminal. :)

  58. People forget mac has a built in firewall by cod3r_ · · Score: 0

    It's not the greatest thing ever, but it's still worth turning it on. Would probably stop this here trojan from calling home.

    1. Re:People forget mac has a built in firewall by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Not the one that Apple provides a nice UI for. It's based on the application level and doesn't have the ability to block outgoing connections. However, it also has the BSD ipfw software which can be configured to stop this as per jwill7g9's post above.

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  59. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't, but you can't fix stupid, which is what trojans exploit.

    That is just blatantly wrong. How can so many people here not know what a trojan horse is?

    Running something that has all the outward characteristics of a computer virus can be stupid.

    Trojans are designed to look like any legitimate program so they can be snuck in through legitimate software repositories.

    You know, like the Trojan Horse....?

  60. it doesn't sound like his guess is completely off by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

    When a Gatekeeper check does occur, however, the behavior depends on which mode Gatekeeper is in (set in System Preferences). There are three modes: "Mac App Store" (the default), in which only apps downloaded from the Mac App Store are allowed to launch

    By your own text it sounds like his guess was close to the mark. By default an app has to be from the app store and that means signed by Apple.

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  61. Never had a Virus by Mr+Bubble · · Score: 1

    These may be famous last words, but I have used Macs for 15 years and the only trouble I ever had involving viruses was when I briefly installed Norton antivirus back in the day. I promptly removed that and have never looked back. I use reasonable caution, I don't download executables from entities that seem suspicious and, from time to time, I monitor network activity and logs for anything that looks funky. However, I am not shy about the sites I visit. The funny thing is that the only people I KNOW are infected are the friends and colleagues on Windows that unknowingly send me spam emails - corporate clients no less.

    As has been pointed out here, this is not a virus, it's a trojan and it doesn't seem to be a problem. There is a reason Mac haven't been the ones on the news with huge numbers of machines infected. And, no, it isn't because of market share. Apple sold 5.2 million macs last quarter alone - the target is plenty big, the user base has money to steal and the hackers are bitter at Apple. So where's all the viruses?

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  62. Simples by maroberts · · Score: 1

    remap 176.58.100.37 to 127.0.0.1

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  63. Just when you thought it was safe to go back in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey guys, I found our monsanto shill!

  64. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

    I am a Trojan you insensitive clod... and while we are on the subject, where the hell do you get off dragging the name of my home town through the mud?

    Well, for one your leaders were stupid enough to bring a giant wooden horse that randomly appeared outside your secure town into said town. The Greeks inside the opened your gates and let the Greek army in, who destroyed your town.

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  65. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by stevegee58 · · Score: 1

    My post may have been technically redundant, but the one who posted before was an anonymous coward :p

  66. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

    the golf clap is a nasty one

    Which is why nobody should still be on 10.4.

  67. Hosted on Linode by XERQ · · Score: 1

    The IP address, 176.58.100.37, is hosted at www.linode.com - has anyone tried contacting them to get the account suspended?

  68. Re:also writing "OS X 10.5" is like ATM machine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >>>The product is "OS X". The version is 10.5.

    So macs have been using the same OS since 2000? Wow. And I thought XP had a long lifespan. At least we XP users got our versions (SP0,1,2,3) for free and didn't have to pay for them.

    According to ars techica the proper pronouncement of OS X 10.5 is "O.S. ten ten point five" so yeah the grandparent poster was correct. It's redundant.

    10.Y.X releases are free, and you don't have to pay for them.

    The latest Windows version is NT 6.1, and it is the "same OS" as NT 5.0 (Windows 2000) but you call it "Windows 7" just like you call OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"

    How far down this retarded rabbit hole do you want to go?

  69. Re:it doesn't sound like his guess is completely o by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    For most users upgrading from a previous OS, the vast majority of the apps loaded by the system won't have been signed by Apple, but will still load. That makes the statement pretty much completely wrong. As I said, the check only occurs at first launch of a given app, not every launch, so once you have done the whole control-click thing to force it to let you launch a new app, you can freely run apps that are not signed by Apple, even when in the strictest Gatekeeper mode.

    Also, the fact that Gatekeeper can be turned on (in the more lax mode) while still allowing apps not signed by Apple to launch (even when you just downloaded them) makes that statement even more wrong.

    For a non-power-user who doesn't want to learn about Gatekeeper and security, and who has no non-Mac-App-Store applications installed, yes, the original poster's description was a good first approximation, but it is a drastic oversimplification that, if spoken to a power user, could lead those folks to knee-jerk disable Gatekeeper, which would weaken their security for no good reason. For those reasons, such oversimplifications, at least on a tech site, are dangerously wrong. :-)

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  70. Explain that by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    However, blocking the threat is as simple as an ACL on your router...

    to the average Apple user. So simple to do...

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  71. It's Steve Jobs getting revenge from beyond the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steve Jobs was betrayed by the ones running Apple. Of course it would only make sense to haunt them as part of the revenge! I'm personally waiting for the iKillYu virus which shows a picture of Ahmed the terrorist saying "I kill yu!" over and over again while simultaneously deleting your core files.

  72. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, and a computer with system32 deleted isn't bricked.

    But try telling either of those to the population as a whole. Lemme know how that works out for you.

  73. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey! I resemble that remark!

     

  74. Re:also writing "OS X 10.5" is like ATM machine... by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

    According to ars technica the proper pronouncement of OS X 10.5 is "O.S. ten ten point five" so yeah the great-grandparent poster was correct. It's redundant.

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  75. Re:OSX - soon to be the Windows of the computer wo by Burz · · Score: 1

    First, anyone with "vistapwns" as their handle should be regarded as having zero cred, geek or otherwise...

    Getting to the point: CD-ROMs were quite popular in OS 9 days and it scarcely made any difference in virus propagation on the old platform. Apple transitioned away from floppies years earlier than PC mfgs did.

    The fact remains: When Apple switched to Unix, malware that propagates automatically (viruses) became rare curiosities that functioned for any length of time only in test environments. That resurgence of viruses on Macs, long awaited by pro-MS trolls who copiously dump their BS on stories like this, never materialized.

    Unix is not magic, but it raises the bar significantly for malware authors. OTOH, Microsoft continued running on their "the worse it is, the better" MO for _many_ years longer than they should have, and that malign neglect was the single biggest mistake that allowed online crime syndicates to become entrenched and highly resourceful to the degree they are today.

  76. infallible OS... by mevets · · Score: 1

    Maybe the AV people should write an OS.

  77. we need to regulate future trojans by bigpickle · · Score: 1

    I'd like to suggest legislation that requires all future trojans be to incorporate a password. //safety

  78. Re:But Macs Don't Get Viruses by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

    Yes, trojans are designed to resemble legitimate items. When was the last time you saw a Mac trojan from a reputable source however? Just as the Trojans were foolish to accept the horse, so too are users who accept software from disreputable sources acting foolishly.

    As I said, you can't fix stupid.

  79. Tinfoil technqiue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you're(SIC) tinfoil hat is on too tight.

    No, you insensitive clod. If he wears it loose, then his hair catches fire when he sticks his head in his bar-b-que.

  80. Re:OSX - soon to be the Windows of the computer wo by benjymouse · · Score: 1

    Unix is not magic, but it raises the bar significantly for malware authors.

    How?

    What is it that Unix does that you claim Windows doesn't? What is the secret sauce that is so elusive that you can only speak of it in general terms?

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  81. Uhh, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Phones home to a single IP address? What are they thinking? Any competent engineer would see the need to make it a bit more resilient than that.

    According to WHOIS that IP is on Linode...

    Amateurs.

  82. What about earlier versions? by antdude · · Score: 1

    Like 10.5.8?

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  83. Mac Code Injection by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

    Injecting code on a Mac is super easy. When an archive is opened, it creates the objects listed and calls -initWithCoder: on that object. So all you need to do is craft a suitably nefarious archive and trick a user into opening it with some app.

    Mountain Lion actually addresses this vulnerability, but developers are going to have to rev their code to use the updated API. I'm surprised it hasn't (AFAIK) been used as an attack vector by trojans because it does seem a glaring hole. I hope I'm not going to regret pointing this out...

    1. Re:Mac Code Injection by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps the "glaring hole" isn't as much a hole as you think.

      For instance, archives don't actually contain the code for the objects, only the data, so you would have to inject the code of a malicious object into the executable as well as manipulate the archive. If you can do that, all bets are off anyway.

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  84. Re:OSX - soon to be the Windows of the computer wo by Burz · · Score: 1

    * Unix or *nix are built around the concept of getting work done _away_ from superuser privileges.

    * The points of distributing software for *nix platforms tend to be few and secured. Even a Mac user tends to understand that the prospect of downloading small utilities and games from sources that don't start from Apple.com, Macupdate.com or versiontracker.com seems to "smell bad". With Windows, a culture has developed that software can be expected to come from just about anywhere (and bizarrely, at just about any time, which I think is a holdover from when Active-X was in vogue).

    * Different implementations, so binary compatibility is iffy or nonexistent (compatibility is more at the API level)

    * My theory: The inner workings of most *nix systems are easier to lookup and are better understood by the power users and admins who run and service them -- It is more difficult to hide malware in such an environment.

    To me, the level of cleanliness of a Windows system seems like a big, ongoing guessing game: This is particularly true given that the norm for operating Windows, even in a malware emergency, is to depend on the services of the installed, running, _infected_ system and users are often encouraged to download antivirus tools using the infected system to get rid of the existing malware (so the success rates of removal are lowered and the user ends up with a bogged-down or broken system). To the Windows culture, booting and tooling around with a secure ROM image to remedy problems is odd if not alien, and some of the live CD images (like Kaspersky) that do exist for use on a Windows system are actually Linux-based.

    I'm not claiming that the above are always better to have for a computer, but they are almost always better for security. Apple seems to have (with OS X) the best mix of security culture and security features; If Apple switched to a Linux-distro model for software distribution tomorrow, I believe it would hurt OS X's appeal immensely even though it might gain slightly in security. Actually, with 10.8 they are adding one of Window's few strengths to OS X, which is to do some enforcement based on code signatures.

  85. Re:it doesn't sound like his guess is completely o by Netshroud · · Score: 1

    No, by default an app has to either be from Apple's Mac App Store, or signed by a third-party with their Developer ID certificate (which is signed by Apple). It doesn't need to be from the App Store.

  86. OMFG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have this AWFUL virus!!! It is INCREDIBLY pernicious! I have a three monitor macpro, and it's gone after me! I installed the new OS, and hHere's what it does: when I select "full screen" for an application, IT BLANKS AND HIDES EVERYTHING ON MY OTHER MONITORS!!!!

    Then I tried to run an application I bought and IT WOULDN'T LET ME!

    I CAN'T FIND MY LIBRARY FOLDER! It's just GONE!

    OMFG what should I do!!!1!one1!!

  87. Re:it doesn't sound like his guess is completely o by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    Sorry, my bad. You're right. The middle setting is the default setting. So the original poster wasn't correct, even by default, even for newly downloaded apps.

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  88. Yes, Vista and Win7 will prompt for a password... by WoTG · · Score: 1

    But, unfortunately, so will two dozen different updates. Adobe Reader, Windows Live Mail, Adobe Flash, up until recently (maybe even currently) Firefox, and dozens of other apps that "automatically" update all require admin privileges. Most users just start clicking yes or entering their password for every dialog that pops up.

    I'm responsible for a fair number of PC's used by "regular" staff... they get to use Limited user accounts in XP (or Win7) and giving them an admin password is very much frowned upon. Sooner or later they'll write it on a post-it note by the screen. The number of update requests is frustrating, to put it mildly. Google Chrome is looking better all the time.

  89. Little Snitch by Herve5 · · Score: 1

    I'm still surpised nothing similar to Little Snitch exists on Linuxes...

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  90. Re:OSX - soon to be the Windows of the computer wo by benjymouse · · Score: 1

    * Unix or *nix are built around the concept of getting work done _away_ from superuser privileges.

    So is Windows. And it is actually only partly true for Unix. Unix is too much dependent on UID 0 for too many things. And when you need to perform those actions you need to elevate to root - and break least privilege principle. Windows doesn't have that problem, it has a much more granular security model and "power user" privileges can be delegated - you don't need to elevate root/administrator to be able to back up a system, for instance.

    So is Windows. And it is actually only partly true for Unix. Unix is too much dependent on UID 0 for too many things. And when you need to perform those actions you need to elevate to root - and break least privilege principle. Windows doesn't have that problem, it has a much more granular security model and "power user" privileges can be delegated - you don't need to elevate root/administrator to be able to back up a system, for instance.So is Windows. And it is actually only partly true for Unix. Unix is too much dependent on UID 0 for too many things. And when you need to perform those actions you need to elevate to root - and break least privilege principle. Windows doesn't have that problem, it has a much more granular security model and "power user" privileges can be delegated - you don't need to elevate root/administrator to be able to back up a system, for instance.

    * The points of distributing software for *nix platforms tend to be few and secured.

    That is not a Unix component - and certainly not an OS X component until Mountain Lion. You can argue that Linux repositories comes with added trust because the packages are signed. But Sites like download.com, tucows etc. also allow Windows users to download malware-free software. Have there been cases of malware found in these repositories. Yes, both in Linux repositories and in Windows repositories. You are just blowing hot air. It doesn't really matter if software in repositories is signed or not - what matters is the vetting process. And nothing suggests that Linux repositories are any better at that.

    Even a Mac user tends to understand that the prospect of downloading small utilities and games from sources that don't start from Apple.com

    No they don't. 10% of mac users caught the flashback infection. That's worse than anything on any operating system, ever!

    * Different implementations, so binary compatibility is iffy or nonexistent (compatibility is more at the API level)

    Good point. Security through voluntary obscurity and incompatibility. Is this part of Unix architecture?

    * My theory: The inner workings of most *nix systems are easier to lookup and are better understood by the power users and admins who run and service them -- It is more difficult to hide malware in such an environment.

    BS. kernel.org and linuxfoundation.org were compromised for (at least) the better part of a month by and old and known rootkit. And nobody noticed until they started receiving error logs from components which should only be installed on desktops. All OSes in use today are so complicated that there is tons of ways to hide malware. Even if the malware doesn't try to activelt hide itself, do you think regular users have any idea of which daemons and/or network ports should be running/open on their systems?

    To me, the level of cleanliness of a Windows system seems like a big, ongoing guessing game: This is particularly true given that the norm for operating Windows, even in a malware emergency, is to depend on the services of the installed, running, _infected_ system and users are often encouraged to download antivirus tools using the infected system to get rid of the existing malware (so the success rates of removal are lowered and the user ends up with a bogged-down or broken system).

    Actually 64 bit Windows

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  91. What OS is NOT vulnerable to this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not even worthy of news... i can go and repackage a trojan for OS X right now and there will be yet another non-wild OS X trojan in existence. The only OS (even in concept) that you cannot willingly cough up admin privileges to install a trojan on is an OS on a ROM... it's worthy of news of someone packages a trojan cleverly enough or a software vendor is malicious enough to package one with their software.