>I'm not really sure what you mean by slippery slope either. Slippery slope to what? More features? I
Completely undetectable viruses and worms, remote disablement of PC hardware , frankly anything you want to do with the maqchine if the hypervisor is compromised somehow since you won't ever detect it in the OS. An OS is called an Operating System because it operates the system. If its little more than some sock puppet on a hypervisor then whats its purpose other than a glorified scheduler?
Virtualisation I have no doubt is extremely useful in certain applications. I howerver have no use for it on any PC I own or work on. I exclusively use linux and I don't want Windows or OS/X or anything else running alongside it. I *WANT* my OS to have full control over the machine - its faster , its more flexible and theres less to go wrong (not to mention who's to say a hypervisor couldn't be hacked by a virus somehow?). I don't want some virtual hardware locked into the BIOS that may or may not have features enabled depending on what mood the hardware supplier was in one day.
Sure , if you want virtualisation have it as an add-on, but to have it added by default into the BIOS IMO is a slippery slope.
You may in fact even overheat. The human body puts out about 100 watts of heat and if it can't radiate away that much (I've no idea of the figures of direct radiation of the body) then you could start to heat up and could even die of heat stroke if nothing else killed you first.
"No the PC was a revolution and innovative due to its shear simplicity..."
The PC was a cheap hack made in a hurry out of off the shelf components. It got lucky due Steve Jobs ego refusing to license the Mac and charging stupid prices for his kit and Commodore and Atari being clueless at marketing. I had to use 8086 PCs when I was at uni back in 1991 and there were a piece of shit compared to the unix systems and the macs available at the same. Innovative? Christ , gimme a break. The Amgia and Atari ST of the mid 80s blew it away in graphics , MIPS and software. You've obviously never used either or you wouldn't come out with such an absurd statement.
"Before Windows (or DOS...) there was no high-volume, mainstream OS that ran on commodity hardware"
Never heard of CP/M then?
"The result was a huge amount of innovation in hardware devices and software that worked with Windows"
Oh please. The PC up until maybe 5-10 years ago was anything but innovative. The Amiga and Mac in the 80s were light years ahead of the PC in both hardware and software.
Bill Gates had a good business head but his software and OSes were shit and only recently is any quality starting to show and some would debate even that.
"If I recall correctly it is basically a thread-pool that manages scheduling itself better than the OS because it knows ahead of time the needs of the code."
I think you're getting confused. Once threads are created they're scheduled by the OS whether they like it or not. An app can't do its own scheduling other than simply halting or not halting a thread though obviously it can decide when to create/destroy threads or allocate data to specific threads.
Islam used to be a peaceful and pretty advanced religion. The arabs came up with a number of scienfitic advances under islam and until recently islam co-existed peacefully with other religions. However it seems to increasingly have been taken over by the stupid, the mentally deranged and the oppresive sadists who seem to want sharia law (otherwise known as hell on earth for anyone who values freedom, particularly women) for reasons personally I can't fathom other than they're so totally fixated on their Koran that they've lost touch with reality (mind you , doesn't that sum up most religious people). Its about time average muslims did something about this , not just pay lip service to it. Perhaps if they see their religion being insulted they might try and eviscerate the cancer thats currently spreading through it.
"and 60 times more likely to die in a car accident."
Given I use my car everyday and I fly about twice a year max (and that probably roughly applies to a lot of people) it would seem to me that my car is actually safer than the plane. In fact you could say that for most people the safest method of transport is the space shuttle since hardly anyone will ever travel in it!
"The G-forces in most crashes are far less than those experienced in a car crash, and easily survivable. Aircraft are large and compress slowly."
What a load of crap. That might be true at low speeds but if an aircraft impacts with a mountain at 400kph (thats 110 metres per second) even a 70m 747 will be crushed flat in less than a second. Barely enough time for the occupants to even register they've hit something never mind do anything about it.
"As for the performance of Vista being in the kernel, you have no idea about the NT/Vista kernel and changes made, as the scheduler and performance in Vista is also significantly faster than XP and even BSD Linux and OS X, where a single CPU system CAN show 8 movies at once with no UI sluggishness and full system responsiveness, just like the concepts of BeOS once touted."
True , but removing all documentation however does seem like a case of taking all their toys and going home in a huff. Perhaps not the most mature course of action.
"In the early days, such courses dealt with low level implementation details and algorithms such as converting lines to pixels, filling rectangles, view clipping and anti-aliasing"
Well sorry , but that IS (amongst other things) what computer graphics is about. If you want to learn how to write a graphics program in Java, sure, get this book, but if you want to learn how computers do graphics you NEED to learn this low level stuff as well as going down even further to the hardware level. Any serious computer science course will teach this low level detail, only toy colleges would teach you one line library calls and pretend they're actually teaching you computer graphics. Its a bit like someone professing to teach about filesystems then not going any deeper than fopen()!
"Then we have Fedora with strong functionality (dual displays, anyone?),"
Err , dual (and more) displays have been a feature of X windows since at least the early 90s. Not sure when XF86 and Xorg incorporated it but it was long before Fedora came onto the scene. Wtf is this guy on about? You can have dual displays on any linux install so long as your card and drivers support it.
Well said. Its about damn time that they spun off 2.7 and started to fix all the bugs in 2.6. This whole 2.6 series has been one horrible mess after another with new features shoe horned in or current ones radically updated with no thought to people using 2.6 on production systems.
This applies to more or less any country on earth. Theres a minority percentage of people who have a clue and a majority who are just dmi witted or uneducated cannon fodder. The percentages vary from country to country but the overall trend remains.
Very few Americans have work , no one has any money to buy anything from this company or any other , the government gets little tax and the whole economy collapses.
Yes thats an extreme example but thats where this outsourcing approach ultimately leads. People are NOT just "resources" that can be picked up and dropped at will. They're all part of the feedback mechanism that keep the economy going - no job , no money. No money , no spending. No spending , no economy. Its time business started to appreciate that.
The linux sound system used to be so simple. You had a kernel sound driver for your card and some nodes in/dev. And it all worked nicely. End of story. Then someone came along and thought "hold on , thats way too simple , lets make a far more complex and error prone system that no mortal could ever understand let alone set up" and lo , ALSA was born.
...when all you had to worry about when setting up the kernel/modules was what type of hard drive you had, any serial and parallel ports and a few other subdry components such as a zip drive.
These days you have all sorts of wierd and wonderful USB devices which people expect to be recognised when they get plugged in , and not have to sudo to load the module manually , plus laptops have various different bits and pieces such as battery monitors , lid buttons and on and on.
Yes , you *can* get all this to work in Slack , but boy is it painful. Slackware is fine for vanilla servers sitting in a cupboard using bog standard hardware , but for anything slightly exotic , forget it. Life is just too short.
"This seems bound to fail to be enforced at all, so why go through the trouble?"
Its just another bunch of clueless execs and lawyers who know jack shit about the actual technology puffing their chests and chucking their weight around. Despite DeCSS and the hack of HD-DVD these idiots never seem to learn. God knows what they use to get their MBAs but it can't be brains.
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>I'm not really sure what you mean by slippery slope either. Slippery slope to what? More features? I
Completely undetectable viruses and worms, remote disablement of PC hardware , frankly anything you want to do with the maqchine if the hypervisor is compromised somehow since you won't ever detect it in the OS. An OS is called an Operating System because it operates the system. If its little more than some sock puppet on a hypervisor then whats its purpose other than a glorified scheduler?
Virtualisation I have no doubt is extremely useful in certain applications. I howerver have no use for it on any PC I own or work on. I exclusively use linux and I don't want Windows or OS/X or anything else running alongside it. I *WANT* my OS to have full control over the machine - its faster , its more flexible and theres less to go wrong (not to mention who's to say a hypervisor couldn't be hacked by a virus somehow?). I don't want some virtual hardware locked into the BIOS that may or may not have features enabled depending on what mood the hardware supplier was in one day.
Sure , if you want virtualisation have it as an add-on, but to have it added by default into the BIOS IMO is a slippery slope.
You may in fact even overheat. The human body puts out about 100 watts of heat and if it can't radiate away that much (I've no idea of the figures of direct radiation of the body) then you could start to heat up and could even die of heat stroke if nothing else killed you first.
"No the PC was a revolution and innovative due to its shear simplicity..."
The PC was a cheap hack made in a hurry out of off the shelf components. It got lucky due Steve Jobs ego refusing to license the Mac and charging stupid prices for his kit and Commodore and Atari being clueless at marketing. I had to use 8086 PCs when I was at uni back in 1991 and there were a piece of shit compared to the unix systems and the macs available at the same. Innovative? Christ , gimme a break. The Amgia and Atari ST of the mid 80s blew it away in graphics , MIPS and software. You've obviously never used either or you wouldn't come out with such an absurd statement.
"Before Windows (or DOS...) there was no high-volume, mainstream OS that ran on commodity hardware"
Never heard of CP/M then?
"The result was a huge amount of innovation in hardware devices and software that worked with Windows"
Oh please. The PC up until maybe 5-10 years ago was anything but innovative. The Amiga and Mac in the 80s were light years ahead of the PC in both hardware and software.
Bill Gates had a good business head but his software and OSes were shit and only recently is any quality starting to show and some would debate even that.
"If I recall correctly it is basically a thread-pool that manages scheduling itself better than the OS because it knows ahead of time the needs of the code."
I think you're getting confused. Once threads are created they're scheduled by the OS whether they like it or not. An app can't do its own scheduling other than simply halting or not halting a thread though obviously it can decide when to create/destroy threads or allocate data to specific threads.
Islam used to be a peaceful and pretty advanced religion. The arabs came up with a number of scienfitic advances under islam and until recently islam co-existed peacefully with other religions. However it seems to increasingly have been taken over by the stupid, the mentally deranged and the oppresive sadists who seem to want sharia law (otherwise known as hell on earth for anyone who values freedom, particularly women) for reasons personally I can't fathom other than they're so totally fixated on their Koran that they've lost touch with reality (mind you , doesn't that sum up most religious people). Its about time average muslims did something about this , not just pay lip service to it. Perhaps if they see their religion being insulted they might try and eviscerate the cancer thats currently spreading through it.
"and 60 times more likely to die in a car accident."
Given I use my car everyday and I fly about twice a year max (and that probably roughly applies to a lot of people) it would seem to me that my car is actually safer than the plane. In fact you could say that for most people the safest method of transport is the space shuttle since hardly anyone will ever travel in it!
"The G-forces in most crashes are far less than those experienced in a car crash, and easily survivable. Aircraft are large and compress slowly."
What a load of crap. That might be true at low speeds but if an aircraft impacts with a mountain at 400kph (thats 110 metres per second) even a 70m 747 will be crushed flat in less than a second. Barely enough time for the occupants to even register they've hit something never mind do anything about it.
"As for the performance of Vista being in the kernel, you have no idea about the NT/Vista kernel and changes made, as the scheduler and performance in Vista is also significantly faster than XP and even BSD Linux and OS X, where a single CPU system CAN show 8 movies at once with no UI sluggishness and full system responsiveness, just like the concepts of BeOS once touted."
On a 486? I don't think so.
"Don't blame 'em though. There's no money in it."
True , but removing all documentation however does seem like a case of taking all their toys and going home in a huff. Perhaps not the most mature course of action.
FTA:
"In the early days, such courses dealt with low level implementation details and algorithms such as converting lines to pixels, filling rectangles, view clipping and anti-aliasing"
Well sorry , but that IS (amongst other things) what computer graphics is about. If you want to learn how to write a graphics program in Java, sure, get this book, but if you want to learn how computers do graphics you NEED to learn this low level stuff as well as going down even further to the hardware level. Any serious computer science course will teach this low level detail, only toy colleges would teach you one line library calls and pretend they're actually teaching you computer graphics.
Its a bit like someone professing to teach about filesystems then not going any deeper than fopen()!
FTA:
"Then we have Fedora with strong functionality (dual displays, anyone?),"
Err , dual (and more) displays have been a feature of X windows since at least the early 90s. Not sure when XF86 and Xorg incorporated it but it was long before Fedora came onto the scene. Wtf is this guy on about? You can have dual displays on any linux install so long as your card and drivers support it.
Oh please , perfect kernels? What planet are you on? Who modded this rubbish insightful?
Well said. Its about damn time that they spun off 2.7 and started to fix all the bugs in 2.6. This whole 2.6 series has been one horrible mess after another with new features shoe horned in or current ones radically updated with no thought to people using 2.6 on production systems.
This applies to more or less any country on earth. Theres a minority percentage of people who have a clue and a majority who are just dmi witted or uneducated cannon fodder. The percentages vary from country to country but the overall trend remains.
Very few Americans have work , no one has any money to buy anything from this company or any other , the government gets little tax and the whole economy collapses.
Yes thats an extreme example but thats where this outsourcing approach ultimately leads. People are NOT just "resources" that can be picked up and dropped at will. They're all part of the feedback mechanism that keep the economy going - no job , no money. No money , no spending. No spending , no economy. Its time business started to appreciate that.
"I don't do mainframe stuff"
It shows. You're talking out your @rse.
The linux sound system used to be so simple. You had a kernel sound driver for your card and some nodes in /dev. And it all worked nicely. End of story. Then someone came along and thought "hold on , thats way too simple , lets make a far more complex and error prone system that no mortal could ever understand let alone set up" and lo , ALSA was born.
Yes actually. Installed slack 11 on my laptop. After getting most of it to work I gave up and went back to Suse which worked out the box.
No clueless newbie, we run NIS on modern Sun boxes. Fancy that.
...when all you had to worry about when setting up the kernel/modules was what type of hard drive you had, any serial and parallel ports and a few other subdry components such as a zip drive.
These days you have all sorts of wierd and wonderful USB devices which people expect to be recognised when they get plugged in , and not have to sudo to load the module manually , plus laptops have various different bits and pieces such as battery monitors , lid buttons and on and on.
Yes , you *can* get all this to work in Slack , but boy is it painful. Slackware is fine for vanilla servers sitting in a cupboard using bog standard hardware , but for anything slightly exotic , forget it. Life is just too short.
What did unix use as a global logon mechanism before PAM came onto the scene?
There, you go find that one out and get back to us...
"This seems bound to fail to be enforced at all, so why go through the trouble?"
Its just another bunch of clueless execs and lawyers who know jack shit about the actual technology puffing their chests and chucking their weight around. Despite DeCSS and the hack of HD-DVD these idiots never seem to learn. God knows what they use to get their MBAs but it can't be brains.
"Except that theres always the question of reliability"
Perhaps they should get tips from Lexus then.
"8,000-10,000 feet above the ground?"
Plenty of cars operate at or close to that altitude in mountainous areas.
Seems to me that the only reason aircraft still use pre war technology is because unlike in the car industry there's no incentive for them to change.