"a crashing X session won't bring your whole machine down."
If it locks up the video sub system it can make the machine unusable except via a net or dumb terminal connection , which could mean the machine needs a reboot. Not good in a business enviroment.
"You managed to get modded insightful on that, and I totally fail to see how."
So you proved.
"So I grant you that write-access to a storage device COULD theoretically be a problem. But access to anything else? No way."
So you don't think that screwing up the video would be a problem? Well I suppose if you only access your linux box through a net connection or serial terminal it wouldn't be.
I'm not saying any of this happens now , but if it becomes common then who's to say some virus writer won't add in a little bit extra to his code to check for running in a virtual env?
If you it gives another OS *full* access to everything then you'd be just as vulnerable to viruses , worms etc as if you were running that OS natively and you could well find your linux filesystem hosed. Hopefully guest OSes will be in a sandbox or at the very least only allowed to directly access specific user defined hardware resources. If not then I certainly won't be taking advantage of this system anytime soon.
It mentions some code names but I'm not au fait with Intel or AMD code names. How long have these functions been in CPUs? Will my P4 support it or is it only the latest core duos and so forth?
"It's why there is a much larger number of applications written for windows than for Unix like systems."
Its nothing to do with that. Unix/linux has as many if not more tools to develop code on than windows and besides which , the majority of unix coders are happy coding at the command line with "cc" and "make" if theres no GUI dev env available (some even prefer the cmd line , myself included). How many windows coders could work from a DOS prompt?
The reason theres more windows than unix apps is simply that windows is the desktop system used by the majority of the general public so naturally there will be more apps for it.
>Uhm, only the most primitive states in the world have the death penalty, as countries become more advanced >they tend to stop killing their own citizens.
That would be why the US has it I supposed.
>There is no sense in the death penalty, it's more expensive than just keeping people in prison for life
HOw'd you work that one out? Care to elaborate on your maths there?
>nd we lose any chance to learn how to avoid creating that sort of criminal.
Blah blah. Crims have always been around, you can't not "create" them without using eugenics.
"If a victim or his family can only be satisfied by a state sponsored execution, then by all means, to hell with them all."
I think you sum up all thats rotten with certain parts of various justice systems - ie F*ck the victim and/or the relatives, the criminals rights are more important. One day people like you will be laughed at by kids in history lessons , if only that day would come sooner.
"you turn into a murderer, if X is the killing of a loved one?"
Depends doesn't it. But if someone killed a member of my family while I was nearby do you think I'd sit around and ask them about their childhood? Get real.
"if your feelings depend on somebody getting hurt or killed, then you are pathetic (pathetic as from paschein: to suffer)Get some help before you hurt somebody."
I think most people would think you are the pathetic one with your turn the other cheek approach. Thats the cowards way out which people like you disguise as some sort of moral high ground. IMO people like you are just as much of the problem as the criminals you make me sick.
"Just think for yourself: Twenty years without a real job, without any education, without outside contacts, without any ability to cope with modern life. Do you really want guys like that on the streets?"
If they can be rehabilitated while they're being punished then fine , do it. But I get tired of listening to people who seem to think rehabilitation is all thats needed and to hell with the feelings of the victims and their families.
"rather than to exact emotionally driven revenge through punishment."
Yes , people should never get emotional when perhaps someone they love has been murdered. What fools. And punishment? Pah , who needs it, thats just so middle ages. Peace and love man... Yes , rehabilitation is where its at as the triumpant success of this liberal policy over the last few decades has shown... oh wait....
What is it with certain people that they somehow think punishment is beneath us? Why do they cling to this pathetic "rehabilitation" mantra as if its the panacea to all criminal issues, as if everyone can be turned into a loving useful member of society if they've just been hugged by enough simpering wolly liberals?
If someone ever killed a member of my family I'd be in the queue flick the ON switch to the chair and to hell with the self important , self righteous opinions of people like you.
"His whole existance on this Earth was to set an example as to how we should behave and to give our lives meaning."
Actually his whole existance on this earth was thanks to his mother and father (yes he did have one). And if he were alive today he'd probably be seeking treatment for any one of a number of psychological issues along with moses, muhammad , guru nanak etc etc.
"I am the son of god!", "God has spoken to me via a burning bush!" , hmm yes , come this way and just take these little pills, it'll all be ok soon...
To save the OS state you can just dump the entire RAM to a dump file and save the program counter and registers there too. The real problem is saving the hardware state of all the peripherals.
"My work is chiefly computational geometry and/or statistics, but bit-shifting doesn't come up much in either"
I suspect it wouldn't in statistics , but in geometry I'm surprised. If you're writing efficient code shiting (depending how good or bad the compiler is) can be a lot faster than mult or division by 2.
"Does it bother you that "*" sometimes means "multiply" and sometimes means "dereference"?"
Yes it does actually. Theres no reason K&R couldn't have picked one of the many other punctuation symbols on the keyboard and used that instead. '@' for example. Its even pronounced "at". How much more obvious could it be? But no , they overloaded star. Genius. Stroustrup had the opportunity to not follow in their footsteps , but he just made it worse.
"As I've said elsewhere, if you're not writing code most of your working hours, C++ is not designed with you in mind, and is probaly not suited to your needs."
Well unfortunately I've been working as a C++ programmer for the last 8 years and C for 5 years before that so I think I have a vague clue what I'm talking about. Perhaps familiarity breeds contempt but for me , C++ is even more of a dogs dinner than C and I wouldn't have bothered to learn it if it hadn't been a career necessity.
"You just don't wind up doing stream output in the same sort of context you do bitwise shifting."
Don't do much maths programming do you. I hadly think doing a maths op in stream output is "cryptic". Perhaps you always insist on putting everything in variables before output, who knows.
"If you think it is simply an unmitigated pile of garbage, it seems likely you are missing something."
I have no issues with its functionality. I have many issues with its syntax which frankly make complex C++ unreadable to any sane person a lot of the time.
Sorry mate , I don't care what some online dictionary says - nonce means a child molestor and has done for years. Perhaps the dictionary compilers should come and visit sometime.
Great , you put double less than and double greater than into the post and slashdot can't handle it. Figures. What I attempted to say was:
cout "double left shift" a "double left shift" b;
Just from looking at that code is it obvious whether a is being shifted by b or and the result output or are both a and b being output? No it isn't. And I've seen examples of this sort of code MANY times. Using the "double left shift" and "double right shift" operators as I/O operators was a very poor decision , though I guess that fits in with the rest of the abortion that is C++
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"a crashing X session won't bring your whole machine down."
If it locks up the video sub system it can make the machine unusable except via a net or dumb terminal connection , which could mean the machine needs a reboot. Not good in a business enviroment.
"You managed to get modded insightful on that, and I totally fail to see how."
So you proved.
"So I grant you that write-access to a storage device COULD theoretically be a problem. But access to anything else? No way."
So you don't think that screwing up the video would be a problem? Well I suppose if you only access your linux box through a net connection or serial terminal it wouldn't be.
I'm not saying any of this happens now , but if it becomes common then who's to say some virus writer won't add in a little bit extra to his code to check for running in a virtual env?
If you it gives another OS *full* access to everything then you'd be just as vulnerable to viruses , worms etc as if you were running that OS natively and you could well find your linux filesystem hosed. Hopefully guest OSes will be in a sandbox or at the very least only allowed to directly access specific user defined hardware resources. If not then I certainly won't be taking advantage of this system anytime soon.
It mentions some code names but I'm not au fait with Intel or AMD code names. How long have these functions been in CPUs? Will my P4 support it or is it only the latest core duos and so forth?
"It's why there is a much larger number of applications written for windows than for Unix like systems."
Its nothing to do with that. Unix/linux has as many if not more tools to develop code on than windows
and besides which , the majority of unix coders are happy coding at the command line with "cc" and "make"
if theres no GUI dev env available (some even prefer the cmd line , myself included). How many windows coders
could work from a DOS prompt?
The reason theres more windows than unix apps is simply that windows is the desktop system used by the
majority of the general public so naturally there will be more apps for it.
"And that's where they'll be going if all they want is revenge,"
If you believe in childrens stories. Apparently you do. You have my sympathies.
Its nothing to do with being a "mofo" or "badass" you stupid kid, its everything about defending your family. Get a life.
>Uhm, only the most primitive states in the world have the death penalty, as countries become more advanced >they tend to stop killing their own citizens.
That would be why the US has it I supposed.
>There is no sense in the death penalty, it's more expensive than just keeping people in prison for life
HOw'd you work that one out? Care to elaborate on your maths there?
>nd we lose any chance to learn how to avoid creating that sort of criminal.
Blah blah. Crims have always been around, you can't not "create" them without using eugenics.
"If a victim or his family can only be satisfied by a state sponsored execution, then by all means, to hell with them all."
I think you sum up all thats rotten with certain parts of various justice systems - ie F*ck the victim and/or the relatives, the criminals rights are more important. One day people like you will be laughed at by kids in history lessons , if only that day would come sooner.
Umm ,perhaps because a lot of crimes are commited? Cause and effect possibly?
"you turn into a murderer, if X is the killing of a loved one?"
Depends doesn't it. But if someone killed a member of my family while I was nearby do you think I'd sit around and ask them about their childhood? Get real.
"if your feelings depend on somebody getting hurt or killed, then you are pathetic (pathetic as from paschein: to suffer)Get some help before you hurt somebody."
I think most people would think you are the pathetic one with your turn the other cheek approach. Thats the cowards way out which people like you disguise as some sort of moral high ground. IMO people like you are just as much of the problem as the criminals you make me sick.
"Just think for yourself: Twenty years without a real job, without any education, without outside contacts, without any ability to cope with modern life. Do you really want guys like that on the streets?"
If they can be rehabilitated while they're being punished then fine , do it. But I get tired of listening to people who seem to think rehabilitation is all thats needed and to hell with the feelings of the victims and their families.
I wasn't just talking about the US , I was talking about the whole of the west including europe. In the UK the liberals have taken over the asylum.
"Do you really think revenge is going to do any good?"
Yes
"you belong behind bars or in a psychiatric ward."
In your irrelevant opinion.
"rather than to exact emotionally driven revenge through punishment."
... oh wait....
Yes , people should never get emotional when perhaps someone they love has been murdered. What fools. And punishment? Pah , who needs it, thats just so middle ages. Peace and love man... Yes , rehabilitation is where its at as the triumpant success of this liberal policy over the last few decades has shown
What is it with certain people that they somehow think punishment is beneath us? Why do they cling to this pathetic "rehabilitation" mantra as if its the panacea to all criminal issues, as if everyone can be turned into a loving useful member of society if they've just been hugged by enough simpering wolly liberals?
If someone ever killed a member of my family I'd be in the queue flick the ON switch to the chair and to hell with the self important , self righteous opinions of people like you.
"His whole existance on this Earth was to set an example as to how we should behave and to give our lives meaning."
Actually his whole existance on this earth was thanks to his mother and father (yes he did have one). And if he were alive today he'd probably be seeking treatment for any one of a number of psychological issues along with moses, muhammad , guru nanak etc etc.
"I am the son of god!", "God has spoken to me via a burning bush!" , hmm yes , come this way and just take these little pills, it'll all be ok soon...
To save the OS state you can just dump the entire RAM to a dump file and save the program counter and registers there too. The real problem is saving the hardware state of all the peripherals.
Says an AC poster. I love irony.
Wrong , its set theory. Thats not numerical mathematics.
Its a maths discussion. The same rules don't apply. Who modded parent to 5 FFS??
"My work is chiefly computational geometry and/or statistics, but bit-shifting doesn't come up much in either"
I suspect it wouldn't in statistics , but in geometry I'm surprised. If you're writing efficient code shiting (depending how good or bad the compiler is) can be a lot faster than mult or division by 2.
"Does it bother you that "*" sometimes means "multiply" and sometimes means "dereference"?"
Yes it does actually. Theres no reason K&R couldn't have picked one of the many other punctuation symbols on the keyboard and used that instead. '@' for example. Its even pronounced "at". How much more obvious could it be? But no , they overloaded star. Genius. Stroustrup had the opportunity to not follow in their footsteps , but he just made it worse.
"As I've said elsewhere, if you're not writing code most of your working hours, C++ is not designed with you in mind, and is probaly not suited to your needs."
Well unfortunately I've been working as a C++ programmer for the last 8 years and C for 5 years before that so I think I have a vague clue what I'm talking about. Perhaps familiarity breeds contempt but for me , C++ is even more of a dogs dinner than C and I wouldn't have bothered to learn it if it hadn't been a career necessity.
"You just don't wind up doing stream output in the same sort of context you do bitwise shifting."
Don't do much maths programming do you. I hadly think doing a maths op in stream output is "cryptic". Perhaps you always insist on putting everything in variables before output, who knows.
"If you think it is simply an unmitigated pile of garbage, it seems likely you are missing something."
I have no issues with its functionality. I have many issues with its syntax which frankly make complex C++ unreadable to any sane person a lot of the time.
"nonce for years one way and no one else has doesn't mean it is so for everyone"
n ce
What , you think I just talk to myself? Why not visit britain and ask someone on the street or read this you thick prick:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=no
Sorry mate , I don't care what some online dictionary says - nonce means a child molestor and has done for years. Perhaps the dictionary compilers should come and visit sometime.
Great , you put double less than and double greater than into the post and slashdot can't handle it. Figures. What I attempted to say was:
cout "double left shift" a "double left shift" b;
Just from looking at that code is it obvious whether a is being shifted by b or and the result output or are both a and b being output? No it isn't. And I've seen examples of this sort of code MANY times. Using the "double left shift" and "double right shift" operators as I/O operators was a very poor decision , though I guess that fits in with the rest of the abortion that is C++