"Likewise, Linux hackers don't give a fuck if you start using Linux or not. Stay on fucking Windows and OS X. Please!"
Man. And people wonder why a lot of companies steer clear of OSS. Your juvenile attitude just says it all.
If all someone wants to do is some pet project then fine, do it. But don't release it to the general public saying, "hey , this is great, come on and use it guys, who needs XYZ Inc!" then a while later say "meh, we're not interested supporting it anymore, go screw yourselves". Sure - you can get away with that. Once. Then next time around MS/Apple/GoogleWhoever gets the business instead and you're just tarnished the whole OSS community. Congratulations.
I installed slackware 14 last year after trying ubuntu and fedora live disks and it was the only one of the 3 in which everything worked first time (apart from some minor printer issues which I discovered later).
Ok, hardly a representational survey and YMMV, but just saying. Oh, and there's no systemd. Win!
"A compiled language? What does that have to do with it? Objective C can add private members in a library without recompiling everything that depends on it. Lots of compiled languages can, actually."
I think we've already established that you have no idea of the difference between static and dynamic linking. Don't dig the hole even deeper. Also Obj-C isn't a pure compiled-to-the-metal language like C++ , since it has a runtime support system. Which you knew about, right? Oh, you didn't. Quelle surprise.
Not if its in a DLL they don't and if its #included then of course a recompilation is needed if any code has changed - its a fucking compiled language you clueless gimp! As I said, go educate yourself on:
A) the difference between shared libraries and code included in compilation B) what "backwards compatability" means cos it ain't what you think.
Perhaps if you'd concentrated in class instead of thinking you've got the inside view of programming from PHP for Dummies or some similar mickey mouse beginners book you might make less of a fool of yourself. In the meantime, go buy a ticket on the clue train. Bye.
Ssh, and telnet work just fine over a slow connection and so does email so long as it doesn't have a load of attachments plus other protocols such as gopher. People did manage to use the internet over dial up before HTTP/HTML came along and sucked up as much bandwidth as it could!
"If you add a private variable to a C++ class, it's a breaking change. It's not backwards compatible. That's a C++ problem, it's not a problem in almost any other language."
*boggle*
You're talking out your arse and clearly have no idea of the difference between backwards compatability, re-compilation requirements or what a shared library is or how they work. Go educate yourself on compiled languages , not whatever mickey mouse VM or scripting languages you think makes you an expert on this subject. You're not.
"Having to manually add a v-table is a perfect example: it's totally backwards"
If you mean using the "virtual" keyword then there are good reasons for having it as an option and if I have to explain why then you probably wouldn't understand the answer.
"There should be a keyword to suppress v-tables if you don't want them"
There is - don't use "virtual".
"And 'friend', what a glorious keyword! "
Not a problem with objective C since its class security isn't complex enough to warrant it.
"you need to recompile even if you want to add a private variable"
Err yes, compiled languages tend to need recompilation if you alter the code unless its in a shared object library / dll in which case you don't. So no idea what your point is there.
Cocao? Are you seriously trying to suggest that Objective-C is well designed language? Its one of the most hideous kludges I've ever seen, and for all of the supposed "power" that it brings over from smalltalk, its far less powerful than C++ was even a decade ago.
Manually calling constructors/init in 2017? And not just one call, two! No collections No generics God awful mish mash syntax Dynamicing typing when sending messages
Obj-c should be taken out the back and shot. Even apple has seen the light, but instead of doing the sensible thing and moving to C++ they created another pointless new language Swift. Ah well.
Yeah, and I'm sure Dr Dre was deeply involved in the electronic and acoustic design of them!
Oh more likely:
"Yo, I like red init! Dem is a cool colour blood!"
"Ok, Mr Dre, we'll make some red ones too. Now just sign your name here for our design guys.. yes, heres a crayon, no, you hold it this way around... well done."
... that these slebs are directing or creating anything. They're there to add some glitz and glamour to a fading or jaded brand, nothing more. They turn up to pre arranged photo opportunities, mouth off some vacuous rubbish pre-prepared by the marketing dept then head off back to their lives with a fat cheque in their back pockets. Its all very very cynical.
Indeed. Or if we're talking simply numbers manufactured then success as defined by the number of digital watches Casio has sold over the decades makes Apples effort look like a cottage industry.
If I'm accessing a site that simply serves up information and doesn't ask for any details from me, then there's no need for HTTPS. It simply sucks up CPU cycles and ultimately uses up more electricity. And no , I don't care about the 0.001 extra on my bill, but if you add it up over the entire planet its probably a couple of coal fired power plants extra required.
Its arrogant designers who think they know better than the generation before, want to be seen to be different and "edgy" and "new" and so chuck out all the lessons learned and fuck things up royally. So we end up with an OS in 2017 that looks more primitive than Win3.0.
WoW is neither the first of its kind nor the best, its just arguably the most popular. Yes, there's a lot of infrastructure behind it but there's just as much behind the till you buy your groceries at. So what. If they want to represent videogames then pong, space invaders, pacman or even Doom would have been far more appropriate.
Its speed varies depending on what material it is travelling through and over large distances in space different frequencies of EM travel at slightly different speeds though I can't remember the reason why off the top of my head.
"Your steel block will consume anyway slowly burn over years into rust"
Thats not burning, its a straighforward chemical reaction. Burning gives off noticable heat, light and fumes. If you class rusting as burning you might as well class almost all chemical reactions involving oxygen as burning.
Charcoal is almost pure carbon and burns quite nicely as anyone who has ever done a barbeque can testify. Try cooking your burgers with chunks of steel instead and let us know how it goes.
While you're waiting, look up the difference between ignition temperature and combustion temperature. When you do you'll find the ignition temp of diamond is 900C. Steel hasn't even melted at that point.
Of course the other main problem is that some problems are simply serial in nature and can't be parallelised (eg various iterative operations, waiting for I/O to continue etc) so it doesn't matter how many cores you have, the program can't run any faster.
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"Likewise, Linux hackers don't give a fuck if you start using Linux or not. Stay on fucking Windows and OS X. Please!"
Man. And people wonder why a lot of companies steer clear of OSS. Your juvenile attitude just says it all.
If all someone wants to do is some pet project then fine, do it. But don't release it to the general public saying, "hey , this is great, come on and use it guys, who needs XYZ Inc!" then a while later say "meh, we're not interested supporting it anymore, go screw yourselves". Sure - you can get away with that. Once. Then next time around MS/Apple/GoogleWhoever gets the business instead and you're just tarnished the whole OSS community. Congratulations.
I installed slackware 14 last year after trying ubuntu and fedora live disks and it was the only one of the 3 in which everything worked first time (apart from some minor printer issues which I discovered later).
Ok, hardly a representational survey and YMMV, but just saying. Oh, and there's no systemd. Win!
"A compiled language? What does that have to do with it? Objective C can add private members in a library without recompiling everything that depends on it. Lots of compiled languages can, actually."
I think we've already established that you have no idea of the difference between static and dynamic linking. Don't dig the hole even deeper. Also Obj-C isn't a pure compiled-to-the-metal language like C++ , since it has a runtime support system. Which you knew about, right? Oh, you didn't. Quelle surprise.
"Any users of your library need to recompile."
Not if its in a DLL they don't and if its #included then of course a recompilation is needed if any code has changed - its a fucking compiled language you clueless gimp! As I said, go educate yourself on:
A) the difference between shared libraries and code included in compilation
B) what "backwards compatability" means cos it ain't what you think.
Perhaps if you'd concentrated in class instead of thinking you've got the inside view of programming from PHP for Dummies or some similar mickey mouse beginners book you might make less of a fool of yourself. In the meantime, go buy a ticket on the clue train. Bye.
Where exactly did I say "things are fine"? If you're going to make a straw man its best to make sure it doesn't fall flat on its face all on its own.
Sadly insight and the ability to read simple english are something you seem to be lacking.
Ssh, and telnet work just fine over a slow connection and so does email so long as it doesn't have a load of attachments plus other protocols such as gopher. People did manage to use the internet over dial up before HTTP/HTML came along and sucked up as much bandwidth as it could!
"If you add a private variable to a C++ class, it's a breaking change. It's not backwards compatible. That's a C++ problem, it's not a problem in almost any other language."
*boggle*
You're talking out your arse and clearly have no idea of the difference between backwards compatability, re-compilation requirements or what a shared library is or how they work. Go educate yourself on compiled languages , not whatever mickey mouse VM or scripting languages you think makes you an expert on this subject. You're not.
"Having to manually add a v-table is a perfect example: it's totally backwards"
If you mean using the "virtual" keyword then there are good reasons for having it as an option and if I have to explain why then you probably wouldn't understand the answer.
"There should be a keyword to suppress v-tables if you don't want them"
There is - don't use "virtual".
"And 'friend', what a glorious keyword! "
Not a problem with objective C since its class security isn't complex enough to warrant it.
"you need to recompile even if you want to add a private variable"
Err yes, compiled languages tend to need recompilation if you alter the code unless its in a shared object library / dll in which case you don't. So no idea what your point is there.
Cocao? Are you seriously trying to suggest that Objective-C is well designed language? Its one of the most hideous kludges I've ever seen, and for all of the supposed "power" that it brings over from smalltalk, its far less powerful than C++ was even a decade ago.
Manually calling constructors/init in 2017? And not just one call, two!
No collections
No generics
God awful mish mash syntax
Dynamicing typing when sending messages
Obj-c should be taken out the back and shot. Even apple has seen the light, but instead of doing the sensible thing and moving to C++ they created another pointless new language Swift. Ah well.
Artistic license :)
Yeah, and I'm sure Dr Dre was deeply involved in the electronic and acoustic design of them!
Oh more likely:
"Yo, I like red init! Dem is a cool colour blood!"
"Ok, Mr Dre, we'll make some red ones too. Now just sign your name here for our design guys .. yes, heres a crayon, no, you hold it this way around... well done."
... that these slebs are directing or creating anything. They're there to add some glitz and glamour to a fading or jaded brand, nothing more. They turn up to pre arranged photo opportunities, mouth off some vacuous rubbish pre-prepared by the marketing dept then head off back to their lives with a fat cheque in their back pockets. Its all very very cynical.
Indeed. Or if we're talking simply numbers manufactured then success as defined by the number of digital watches Casio has sold over the decades makes Apples effort look like a cottage industry.
"Your connection can be man-in-the-middled and malicious content served to you"
You can spoof an HTTPS site if you know what you're doing.
"or the middleman could help himself to your cookies"
If its just a one way information site the cookies will be of little use to him.
If I'm accessing a site that simply serves up information and doesn't ask for any details from me, then there's no need for HTTPS. It simply sucks up CPU cycles and ultimately uses up more electricity. And no , I don't care about the 0.001 extra on my bill, but if you add it up over the entire planet its probably a couple of coal fired power plants extra required.
"Did anyone of you guys see this coming? I certainly did."
EVERYONE with a clue saw this coming. Unfortunately that excludes the marketdroids trying to sell IoT and the Oooh Shiny! idiots who buy it.
Its arrogant designers who think they know better than the generation before, want to be seen to be different and "edgy" and "new" and so chuck out all the lessons learned and fuck things up royally. So we end up with an OS in 2017 that looks more primitive than Win3.0.
WoW is neither the first of its kind nor the best, its just arguably the most popular. Yes, there's a lot of infrastructure behind it but there's just as much behind the till you buy your groceries at. So what. If they want to represent videogames then pong, space invaders, pacman or even Doom would have been far more appropriate.
Its speed varies depending on what material it is travelling through and over large distances in space different frequencies of EM travel at slightly different speeds though I can't remember the reason why off the top of my head.
Without these NONE of the above would have happened. Good luck programming any of them in assembler.
... on the library shelf?
So brain structure affects personality, who knew??
"Your steel block will consume anyway slowly burn over years into rust"
Thats not burning, its a straighforward chemical reaction. Burning gives off noticable heat, light and fumes. If you class rusting as burning you might as well class almost all chemical reactions involving oxygen as burning.
Charcoal is almost pure carbon and burns quite nicely as anyone who has ever done a barbeque can testify. Try cooking your burgers with chunks of steel instead and let us know how it goes.
While you're waiting, look up the difference between ignition temperature and combustion temperature. When you do you'll find the ignition temp of diamond is 900C. Steel hasn't even melted at that point.
Of course the other main problem is that some problems are simply serial in nature and can't be parallelised (eg various iterative operations, waiting for I/O to continue etc) so it doesn't matter how many cores you have, the program can't run any faster.