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Most of the Web Really Sucks If You Have a Slow Connection (danluu.com)
Dan Luu, hardware/software engineer at Microsoft, writes in a blog post: While it's easy to blame page authors because there's a lot of low-hanging fruit on the page side, there's just as much low-hanging fruit on the browser side. Why does my browser open up 6 TCP connections to try to download six images at once when I'm on a slow satellite connection? That just guarantees that all six images will time out! I can sometimes get some images to load by refreshing the page a few times (and waiting ten minutes each time), but why shouldn't the browser handle retries for me? If you think about it for a few minutes, there are a lot of optimizations that browsers could do for people on slow connections, but because they don't, the best current solution for users appears to be: use w3m when you can, and then switch to a browser with ad-blocking when that doesn't work. But why should users have to use two entirely different programs, one of which has a text-based interface only computer nerds will find palatable?
No idea how your connection speed adds anything to this.
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Most of the web sucks.
Why does my browser open up 6 TCP connections to try to download six images at once when I'm on a slow satellite connection?
i used to have this problem until i switched to Lynx. Now pesky things like popups and adware are a thing of the past! six streams indeed.
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This is one of the most obvious statements I have ever read on /., or anywhere on the Internet. As long as I have a fast enough connection, of course.
Everything Internet-related really sucks if you have a slow connection.
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Why does my browser open up 6 TCP connections to try to download six images at once when I'm on a slow satellite connection? That just guarantees that all six images will time out!
The problem is not opening 6 connections, or failure to retry, but a timeout that's too short.
Tell that to all the people with slow connections, who's operating system is constantly phoning home to a dozen different servers and hijacking their bandwidth to spread itself on a p2p network.
I have the same problem with smartphone apps. If you don't have the highest LTE connection possible, the app is a pain to use. Go to a rural area, and you may not even get it to open. Web sites are the same way. They give developers super fast connections, and they develop applications that require that speed. They don't put them on slow networks and test to see if they are even useful on a basic level.
Most web browser engines are open source. Go and modify one or many of them to handle slow connections better.
I'm not sure why your provider isn't offering a HTTP proxy server (as is standard for Satellite providers) that has all the sufficient timeout values you need as standard to workaround these latency issues?
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You can configure this setting in Firefox. It doesn't look like Chrome has a similar configuration.
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Abou...
network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server - default = 6
Try setting this to 1.
Source:
https://support.mozilla.org/t5...
Software runs slow on old hardware.
A lot of what drives modern internet design is e-commerce. If you're on a slow connection, you probably don't have much money to spend, so why should anyone care? Or so the thinking goes....
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Even with fast Internet connections, websites are so bloated with ancillary scripts and tracking code and cross linking to 20 different various advertising and content servers that you get stuck waiting no matter what. CDNs helped but you're still hostage to X advertising companies one slow server because it's not on that CDN.
With so much crap advertisement on each page, all trying to get a few cents from adchoices, and google crap, no wonder your connection is slow dude.
all show which side their bread is buttered on.
When the advertising content loads first and the page rebuilds/rearranges itself 6 or 8 times and finally the content you want to see becomes visible or stabilizes enough to click a link.
I think some of the pages are designed to do this on purpose.
You get a glimpse of the content you are looking for and click on a link just as the page rebuilds itself and the link has changed to an ad and the cash register rings on a click through.
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Are designed for faster connections than yours where doing things asynchronously is much preferred (Though not it appears by the developers I tend to deal with) to synchronous.
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It had a number of options where you could set up the number of global connections and per page. And yes, it was useful during the early days of dialup.
But anyway, most of the web sucks in this regard. Period. Sites are horribly designed these days - a gazillion JS dependencies, unnecessarily large images which get scaled, zero concern for mobile devices, etc.
This is part of a much larger pattern in software development: Targeting a subset of the user base and assuming that everyone is on a fast connection, every Android user is on a phone with a small screen, every Linux user and potential user is comfortable with the command line, etc. We live in a time of tipping points; if you and your system and your use of it fall into the favored group then your life is somehwat-to-vastly better than if you're walled off in a shunned minority.
The digital divide in the US became most evident (to me) in this last election cycle.
If you look at the page weights of 'conservative' vs 'liberal' news sites the former are much smaller and tailored to people on even a dial up, in large part because they know their demographic. Rural internet in the US flat out sucks. We have counties in my state, not more than 3 hours outside of Chicago that still have dialup as a viable option.
Drudge Report loads amazingly fast. Huffington Post does not. Drudge was 1.13 MB in size with 44% of that images. (The site I used to analyze them was done with Drudge's 14 assets long before Huffington Post stalled at 220/222 assets.)
The art of optimization seems to have disappeared, it made a small resurgence when web developers tried to optimize for the mobile web, but it doesn't look like most developers ever tried that hard.
It's a closed feedback loop. Developers live in places with fast Internet, test in places with fast Internet and then don't understand what it's like anywhere else. Students on college campuses live with gigabit internet and Internet2 connections to peer universities. They move to cities that Comcast pays attention to.
The best suggestion I have: Turn off images, configure the browser not to thread connections, and get involved in local government to get faster internet to your area.
I think Microsoft's days in the industry are numbered if they hire such brilliant minds as to use the phrase "low hanging fruit" twice in one sentence.
Be sure to run adblockers, stripping out adverts makes a big difference.
But even slashdot is a big fat bloated pig. no reason at all to load everything and a giant pile of JS.
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The HTTP spec says you should only open two connections to any given server at a time. You should blame Chrome for making the non-confirming change to allow more than 2 connections, which became widespread across most browser vendors.
Most of the matrix is clogged with heavy footprint advertising and is light on content.
Websites that have to load 50+ JavaScript ads before displaying the page can easily overwhelm a slow processor even with a fast cable connection.
I think web surfing is plenty OK with a minimum of 3mbps down if all your doing is web surfing and using one device at a time. If your streaming Netflix or Amazon your probably going to want close to 10 mbps or more if you use multiple devices or insist on HD quality. Wireless, satellite and DSL ISP's can limit your options for quality because their speeds struggle at times with demand and are subject to interference and distance issues. My neighbor has a DSL which is fine for her streaming Netflix and surfing web. I think some over buy speed that they do not need and some just do not have much choice in ISP providers.
It's Jevons Paradox. The bandwidth of the average internet connection has increased dramatically since the 1990s. But the increased bandwidth has been offset by websites using more bandwidth.
In fact, one Slashdot commenter recently enumerated some reasons why websites are using so much bandwidth:
https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10205275&cid=53807621
Get an extension for Chrome or Firefox that blocks images unless asked not to. Turn off Javascript unless the site needs it.
When one of the tactics for those on slow connections is to employ ad blocking technology, one doesn't have to look far as to the impact on bandwidth. Couple that with the fucking telemetry bullshit infecting software these days, and the problem is obvious in both directions.
I find it odd that our society will label physically tracking everything a human does a crime, but virtually tracking and selling everything a human does is called capitalism.
I think Opera came up with an ideal compromise. A middle-man proxy that did filtering and compression. Fast pipe on their end, slow on yours.
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Ssh, and telnet work just fine over a slow connection and so does email so long as it doesn't have a load of attachments plus other protocols such as gopher. People did manage to use the internet over dial up before HTTP/HTML came along and sucked up as much bandwidth as it could!
There is a hilarious (and sad) commentary on website bloat at http://idlewords.com/talks/web... that shows truely outrageous examples of this sin.
Users like myself who are on a metered connection also suffer, but in a slightly different way. All those pesky videos that (partially) download on page load when you're just trying to read a news article. The bandwidth is plenty fast, which actually exacerbates the problem. How is it that Chrome provides a switch to turn off images, but not videos?
Another commenter here talked about pipelining. Again, this comes back to a lack of proper browsing features in our de-facto web browser, Chrome. We want power options, Google!
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1. Sites that play videos when the load.
2. Sites that display the entire page for three seconds and then cover it with a full screen ad.
3. Sites that constantly reorganize the page as it loads new ads.
4. Sites that load ads FIRST instead of the actual content.
Bottom line is the web sucks because Madison Avenue got a hold of it. They aren't content with placing an ad like they do in papers or magazines. They all in your face and FORCE your participation in message delivery. And before you even mention Ad Block, more and more sites simply refuse to load when you have that installed/enabled.
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My solution (though my connection is fast enough) is to turn off images and javascript (and cookies) all the time, specifying some sites as exceptions, and leaving the browser config tab open for the rare one-off exception when I want to see images for one page refresh. I also separate browsing activities by my multiple user accounts, depending on the type (eg, banking in a separate account from general browsing), and either use separate consoles (Ctrl-Alt-Fn) for the accounts or put them on the same X desktop with "ssh -X ..." for most things, "ssh -Y ..." for very few, and some convenience scripts to automate starting some apps that way. This has worked well enough for me on multiple free OSes.
The benefits include speed, simplicity, I don't have to see garbage ads or images of things I just don't want in my mind, and hopefully a lower attack surface thus more secure browsing. The stuff I want is almost always in the form of text anyway, and I don't mind text ads.
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My understanding was that on Firefox the ad blockers prevent the ads from loading, but on Chrome the ad blockers load the ads and only prevent them from displaying. Now that Firefox is moving to the plugins like Chrome, it too will not really block ads anymore.
I think that has to do with a really big company up in Redmond, which made a lot of money with a rip-off of another graphics-only operating system and produced code of dubious modularity and unnecessary bloat and complexity. I think their name starts with "M" or something. Maybe you should go and work for them and fix their software.
Meanwhile, somewhat more innovative companies than that Redmond company have come up with solutions like putting much of the browser and rendering into the cloud or using HTML-rewriting proxies. Well, it was innovative 20 years ago at least. Maybe people at that "M" company haven't heard of it, but the rest of us use this when we need it. (Of course, the rest of us usually can't afford satellite phones anyway; you need some old Microsoft stock options for that.)
I hate pages that look like they stopped loading and decide to do one last refresh AFTER I've started scrolling. That and images that don't load until you get near them. All that does is rearrange text while you're trying to read.
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Don't be on a satellite connection. duh. Just because you are on one doesn't mean the 99.99999998% of the rest of internet users should suffer.
Most of the world lives with internet speeds that people in the US think of as historic. I most of the world I cannot use Video on Skype and have to settle for speech only.
Most browsers open 6 connections because most connections these day can handle it. If you live in a time warp (like most of the US) with tech that's 20 years old, then you have to use 20 year old tricks of the trade.
"Back in the day" we had 56k at home or for the rich folk, 128k (ISDN), double ISDN if you were really lucky. We had the same problems, the 'web' was getting fancy with things like Flash, video and high-def images because all the 'work' was being done at places that had either access through an institution with at least Fractional T1's and things like 100Mbps home-internet copper/fiber connections for $10 were being promised as less than a decade away by the ISP's which were then repeatedly subsidized by the governments to do just that.
How did we do it:
a) Set up your own DNS caching servers
b) Set up your own HTTP/HTTPS proxy caching servers with giant caches
c) Proper QoS to make sure certain traffic had priority over others, small packets and small buffers
d) Set up your own servers (such as IMAP/SMTP, gaming etc) and have them sync during times of lesser activity. These days, with a bit of API tinkering, even social media can be done that way.
We had LAN parties with 100's of computers behind a 1Mbps cable modem, no problem.
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Be sure to run adblockers, stripping out adverts makes a big difference.
But even slashdot is a big fat bloated pig. no reason at all to load everything and a giant pile of JS.
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It's a shame Opera Software abandoned their old Presto engine for Chromium instead - Opera (through version 12) had a setting for number of connections per site and total number of connections. And ad blocking, and on and on.
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Hosts add speed (via hardcodes/adblocks), security (vs. bad sites/malware/poisoned dns), reliability (vs. dns down), & anonymity (vs. dns requestlogs/trackers).
Less power/cpu/ram + IO use vs. DNS/routers/addons/antivirus + less security bugs/complexity & faster vs. addons/routers/remote dns!
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Satellite links (especially on planes) have poorly implemented queue management and have extreme bufferbloat. With multiple connections the amount of data queued can cause delays of seconds, and when that happens connections timeout. Although it sounds like a browser or web site problem, the root cause is a design flaw in the head end satellite head end routers.
like everything else touched by any kind of software coder, they always aim their products at whatever newest/fastest tech there is then tell everyone else to upgrade to that.
because they don't give a shit. And they especially don't give a shit about people on dialup or who have no other recourse than satellite internet.
The problem with a satellite connection is not precisely related to latency but rather to jitter, the large differences in latency from one packet to the next. This happens as a result of rain fade, or a poorly engineered link to your transponder on the bird, or a variety of other more infrequent issues.
You can (and should) up your TCP timeout values from the default 3 seconds on a satellite connection, and adjust the http keep-alive timeout, etc, but a lot of times this just means you wait longer to be told when the connection fails.
The solution is a combination of caching, compression, and a performance enhancing proxy or PEP. The PEP does TCP spoofing, basically faking the acknowledgements to speed up the transmission of packets. Compression is similar to the MNP5/v.42bis stuff from modem days applied to a satellite connection. Caching is basically Squid. A lot of PEPs combine all three functions into one - Riverbed is a really good example, though i've worked with pretty much every vendor and they all do the same stuff, with differences in ease of use and efficency.
Implement the timeout fixes, implement a good PEP with all three of the ingredients noted, and make sure the connection is dialed in well with a good shot (line of sight) without physical impediments like trees, buildings, and most importantly microwave interference, and you should have a fairly reliable internet connection. You will still take hits, but you can look at the front of the satellite modem and see that is happening if it's an iDirect or something similar.
Bottom line though is that unless you are taking hits, you should be able to set up downloads of a lot of images and never see a timeout.
- someone who has spent a lot of time doing this (and living off sat connections) in awful places in the world
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1. People are egocentric. Everyone thinks (by default) that everyone else is in the exact some relationship with their environment as they are. I've been in corporate IT for many years (in the past) and have seen a large number of major initiatives designed from the point of view of the HQ folks who are on top of the data center, network-wise. You know, millisecond latency to the servers. Then the app is deployed out to the remote masses, and... it sucks. So the app developers demand to know when the network staff is going to fix the problem. Bloated web pages happen because the people who design them do so when they are milliseconds away from the servers, and it all works fine for them.
2. Networks are layered. The idea of the layering concept is that each layer has its own set of responsibilities. The application layer through which the web browser communicates doesn't have any responsibility for managing data traffic flows. That is the responsibility of a lower layer. So the application just requests the data, and lower layers are supposed to take care of making it happen. As others have pointed out, parallelization of the work is useful, much of the time, so URL requests aren't serialized. When you are on a slow link, or a high latency link, this strategy fails. Should the network layer take care of it, or should the browser somehow become aware of the speed of the physical/data-link and adapt its behavior? Having the browser adapt might be seen as a violation of the layering principles; having the network/session layers interfere with which TCP connections are prioritized would definitely be a violation of layering. Come up with a good way to handle this type of problem, and you can help design the next version of the TCP/IP protocol suite!
3. It's mostly crap anyway. As others have pointed out, its mostly crap anyway. And in my experience its the crappier sources that load more pictures and other cruft onto the pages that you are accessing. An ad blocker helps, and just avoiding those pages works even better. My ad blocker is tuned to let in everything from certain sites, and helps me determine which sites to avoid by showing me the rapidly incrementing "I blocked this" count in my browser's top bar. When that number climbs too high, too fast, I just bail out of the page.
For each page of text and every image, HTTP requests a new TCP connection and tears it down after transfer.
Which version of HTTP are you using? Even HTTP 1.1 has keep-alive.
A lot of times, bad MTU settings are the problem with a sat link. The problem is simply stated: GRE tunnels are common on such links, and a GRE tunnel will encapsulate each packet and add a 16 byte header. Since the modems usually only permit a 1500 byte MTU, this means the maximum packet size you can get through the GRE tunnel will be 1484 bytes long, inclusive of header. If someone sends out a packet that is maximum size for a 1500 byte MTU, and sets the DF (Don't Fragment) bit, when the packet hits this GRE tunnel it will be dropped. This happens frequently with bad SSL implementations.
This is only one version of MTU problems with sat links. There are others.
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Use a browser like Opera Mini on your phone. Use the browser with an Amazon tablet. Both user cloud technology to cache pages, greatly enhancing the loading of pages. Similar solutions are available on the desktop. Adblock helps reduce page load time also.So...with just a little work you can find your own solution.
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unless you're a developer to start with, creating a website happens through a low-code or no-code suite, usually. (or you spend a few weeks learning html and javascript, which is actually less efficient, since you can't learn good practices and sufficient vocabulary to be good in that short time). also, with the vast majority of people using broadband, there's little incentive to work extra hard so that last 0.002% of your user base still connecting through 33.6Kbps dial-up connections has a good experience. you could have just as easily asked "why are OSes so bloated? what about those of us still working on pentium series processors?" the answer would be the same: "they don't think of you, because you're not an influential enough part of the market". imagine you're a developer tasked with creating a news site. do you spend months optimizing your work for the tiniest fraction of the market, or do you spend that time putting polish on the parts the vast majority of your users are going to actually see?
Providers don't offer a proxy because an HTTPS proxy requires each user of each browser on device to add the proxy's root certificate to the certificate store used by the profile associated with that user, browser, and device. Non-technical users are unlikely to successfully complete this process for both the OS-wide certificate set and the separate NSS set used by Firefox.
Why does my browser open up 6 TCP connections to try to download six images at once
The website could easily be serving those 6 images as 1 image and use CSS to display them individually.
So it's not only a browser issue.
Actually, it's a protocol issue.
I believe this sort of thing is being changed for HTTP/2, with multiplexing.
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Some how win10 isn't allowing me to edit the host file even as Administrator
Since Windows 8, the administrator has to exclude %SystemRoot%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts from Windows Defender. It's under Windows Defender protection in the first place because in the past, malware has used this file to redirecdt popular social media sites to phishing sites. Go to Start (Windows logo) > Settings (gear icon) > Update & security > Windows Defender > Exclusions.
This is the disconnect (no pun intended) between internet application developers, most of whom live in a big city with huge data pipes, and the rest of the country that doesn't (and doesn't always have cellular internet either).
I'm sorry that your screw driver isn't a ratchet, and that your ratchet isn't a hammer.
But have you tried to actually lace up your shoes? They'll work better that way.
Read, learn, and re-configure your browser, your operating system, and your network to actually do whatever it is that you want it to do. Most browsers can easily be configured to limit the number of simultaneous connections. It's a number somewhere -- think registry, about::config, etc. Did you try? No.
You're on something that's both atypical and inferior. So configure it to your preferences.
Also, you could configure your router to limit connection counts. You could configure your browser to access only one domain at a time. You could load your hsts file to block ad servers.
You could choose to block most typical third-party sites when you aren't interested in them -- like blocking facebook would block like buttons everywhere. Unblock it when you want them. Block them when you don't.
You seem to be surprised that the default out-of-the-box isn't for you. Big surprise -- it isn't for anybody. It takes me three days to configure a new machine. There are about ten thousand settings to look configure to my liking. I remap keys on the keyboard, configure macros on the mouse, firewalls and hosts files. Does my browser show image placeholders for still-loading images? Security settings, privacy settings, themes, colours, mouse cursor sizes, the list goes on. Toolbars, a dozen little UI tools, notes and reminders, icons a'plenty, work drive, play drive, system drive, memory limits, processor limits, user permissions.
Your car has another 100 -- radio stations, temperatures, seat positions, steering wheel positions, tire pressures, cargo nets, folding seats, et cetera.
Geez, do you buy photographs that come pre-hung on your walls?
Make a decision on your own for a change.
I've changed my mind. Call me. I'll run through the whole thing with you. You can pay me to configure everything with your usage-scenarios in-mind. I'll happily take your money. And nearly all of it can be done remotely -- I'll need your help for a few boot-time (e.g. BIOS) settings, like boot disks, power management, and power failure recovery settings.
The problem is short timeouts and bad error handling. There is no reason for a web browser not to recover from an error during the transmission of a static resource. It could just get the rest of the image or whatever it was loading. "Modern" script based sites mostly don't handle errors at all: If a resource fails to load, the site is hosed and needs a full page reload (forgetting all local state, of course). It's a symptom of a ubiquitous problem: People don't want to think about the many ways something can fail. It's not done when it does what it's supposed to do. It also must not do what it's not supposed to do.
I think that has to do with a really big company up in Redmond, which made a lot of money with a rip-off of another graphics-only operating system and produced code of dubious modularity and unnecessary bloat and complexity. I think their name starts with "M" or something.
Or was it an N?
Nintendo of America is also in Redmond, Washington, and the feature set of the Picture Processing Unit in the Nintendo Entertainment System was heavily inspired by that of the Texas Instruments TMS9928 in the ColecoVision. NES games likewise ballooned up to half a megabyte over the system's life,* compared with the more compact ROM sizes of the Atari 2600 and ColecoVision. I mean seriously, 48K for Tetris ?
* Only three licensed NES games were larger than 512 KiB: Kirby's Adventure, AD&D: Pool of Radiance, and Uncharted Waters.
If you have a shitty connection, just turn off images - you'll be amazed how much time you stop wasting when you don't have eye-candy to lead you to rubbish sites. Looking at you, Buzzfeed.
I've noticed over the last few years that most websites suck as far as loading time, even on DSL connections. There is so much garbage loaded that even a relatively new computer on a good connection loads slowly. Web developers today should all be lined up and shot.
I'm working on a system now, and for the first time in my career, I'm taking the time to really do it right (mostly because, for the first time in my career, I'm being allowed to). Even though it's mostly used in-house, we do have outside customers with access so I do make sure it runs acceptably on slow connections or devices.
Images are small and scarce. That's not exactly a big deal these days, but honestly, it makes styling easier.
There is one CSS file. It caches just fine. I just ran a test simulating a 22kbps connection - the first page load is about ten seconds, but after that, nothing takes more than a second or so to load, save for one page I've already marked for revision.
Javascript is minimal, mostly used to make nested menus load with AJAX or to do form submission with nice validation. This saves bandwidth overall, so I'd call it a win. The site does not degrade gracefully without Javascript but it doesn't require that much CPU horsepower to do what we do with it.
There are no ads or tracking. Not even Google Analytics. The designer wants to add it but I'm not gonna let it happen. We have server logs we can analyze for all the info we need, why would we send that on to Google, not to mention the perf hit?
Tested in current versions of Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Vivaldi, and Edge, and also IE10, under Windows and Linux (for browsers that run on Linux). IE misses some styling features, Firefox has some alignment glitches I haven't gotten around to yelling at the designer to fix it yet, but everything is fully usable. Safari and OS X testing will happen if we ever get a Mac to test with. Mobile browsers technically work but the site is very information-dense and nobody in their right minds would use it on a phone. (And I've tested it with Lynx, you can read it but it's not easy, and saving stuff is broken... if I ever run out of stuff to do, I might fix that, but it's not exactly a priority)
On a normal business-class internet connection (25Mbps shared across a dozen people), and a normal business-class browser (dual-core, 8GB RAM, Windows), most pages load in about 30ms. Only one takes longer than 100ms, and that's already queued for revision.
The fundamental problem is that too few programmers have a direct profit incentive to make a good website user experience. The big sites make money from ads, which are inherently anti-user. Contractors (which I used to be) care more about getting it out under the hours estimate than about quality. I work directly for the people who use this site eight hours a day, you can bet your ass I'll make this a good site for them to use.
See my subject: Local DNS introduces SINGLE point of fail/breakdown/exploit (link I posted shows many) & has more moving parts & overall weight in them!
Hosts is EASILY migrated to ALL endpoints via admins script running it manually or logon/startup scripts (or a timed chronjob/windows scheduled task).
* On Apple - ONLY apple devs can migrate stuff to it (I know for a fact, my relative runs their nightly OS builds) via a "GodMode" rooted iPhone/iPad etc. & SSH into it.
(I disagree w/ Apple here - Android Debugging Bridge exists for droid users & they can do it on a rooted droid - hosts = good security down @ all endpoints).
DNS is good @ central 'topmost' ICANN levels (99++% of ISP's DNS !=t patched vs. Kaminsky redirect flaw, OpenDNS is though)
Hosts secure you vs. those flaws & lighten DNS load + avoid dns security issues by avoiding DNS totally & yes, hosts in local RAM resolve faster.
APK
P.S.=> You omit users of rooted droids can do it... apk
The problem with your link isn't that your browser is opening up multiple connections, it's that your satellite link has shitty (or non-existant) QoS. I run a satellite network to a remote site, that is serving about 60 users using 3.3Mbps. Between WAAS and some carefully tuned CBWFQ, it's slow but reliable, you click on something you can be pretty sure that it will load. Heck, this link is also running VOIP for everyone, and calls are nearly toll quality even when the network is saturated (which is most of the day and evening).
...si hoc legere nimium eruditionis habes...
I don't 'cache all hostnames/domainnames possible' in hosts! Only 50 fav. sites @ top of hosts (resolves FAR faster vs. remote/local DNS as it's from local system RAM cached) where I spend 96% of my time online!
It proofs me vs. DNS redirects/DNS down & gives more speed resolving faster + protection vs. threats.
Plus I actually DO USE DNS - OpenDNS sparingly via my hardcoded favorites that speed me + protect me vs. threats (sub 4% of time, I spend most time online @ my fav sites) OpenDNS = proofed vs. Kaminsky redirect poisoning & filters threats too (supplementing hosts doing so also) 99++% of ISP dns aren't patched vs. it.
APK
P.S.=> Who needs local DNS? ActiveDirectory users on a LAN/WAN but hosts supplement DNS + performance/security & lighten DNS loads (via hardcodes of where uses spend most time online & hosts = easily migrated to PC's on LAN/WAN by admins running scripts manually, scheduled ones or startup/logon scripts)99++% of ISP dns aren't patched vs. it.
I bet APK has an app for that!
When you remember that no ads = no websites, it becomes a trade off the overwhelming majority of people willingly accepted long ago. And since the revenue from actually playing video ads dwarfs all other types of ad revenue by an order of magnitude, it's only logical those are the ads you'll be served. It is still far, far better than paying $0.25 per website per visit.
And, site owners *do check for slow connection speeds, and adjust video stream quality accordingly. And they use CDNs. And they performance test response times. And they encourage local browser caching. And browsers *can be configured to request one asset at a time.
You really want to blame someone OP, then you blame your one or two local ISPs for not doing anything about that 30 year old last mile copper wire just barely stretching into your town that they won't ever, ever upgrade or replace, since rural areas aren't worth the $ and they have you by the balls anyways.
Your best recourse: Lobby your local government representative. Tell them about fiber to the home. Over and over and over again.
Good luck!
Back in the day we were used to time-shifting our collection of information, and the viewing of information. This was accomplished on BBSs - such as FIDONET - by up and down loading content for later viewing with offline viewers. You would just set up some automation to run during off times (while you were asleep for example). Back in those days -- even as slow as things were, your time didn't seem to be wasted as much as today.
I don't have a bad connection - I stream videos no problem - so I can only assume the problem is the advertising cruft layered on top. As a result, I'm in the early stages of putting together a web crawler of my own...basically I go to the same sites day after day -- so most of what I read comes from the same sources - so why not crawl those sites and draw down what I want to read at my leisure? I can also automagically separate the multimedia from the text, and deal with that as I want to - rather than how a standard browser decides to do for you.
Website owners and ad people have gotten lazy - and disrespectful of users; time to claim back our time.
Lodragan Draoidh
The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
...because you're in the severe minority.
Write your own browser for people who are on slow connections.
were planning on making the same comment if it wasn't already here?
Bloat, yes, bufferbloat, no.
Recently I made a trip to nicaragua and deployed a few fq_codel and cake equipped routers there. The effects were *marvellous*. The kind of total failure to load problems dan describes, in particular, went away.
Still, I'd like to banish those that think IW of greater than 2, TSO and GSO, and 6 simultaneous connections in web browsers - as a good idea - to remote locations for a while, until they learn the errors of their ways.
https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr...
is also a good read.
"Most of the Web Really Sucks If You Have a Slow Connection "
The Pope is catholic.
The bear shits in the wood.
Water is wet.
signed: the other Captain Obvious.
What hosts do addons can't (or as well):
PROTECT vs.:
1.) bad sites (past ads)
2.) fastflux C&C
3.) dynDNS C&C
4.) DGA C&C
5.) DNS down
6.) poisoned dns
7.) trackers (dnsrequestlogs/ads/transparent ISP proxy)
8.) spam/phish payload
9.) dns blocks
10.) slowdown 2 ways: adblocks & hardcodes
11.) Easier data & rules edit
12.) Efficiency (cpu/ram/I-O)
13.) UBlock no DNS bennys = poor imitation = "sincerest form of flattery"
14.) NoScript tag parses. Hosts block ad script before it downloads!
APK
P.S.=> AB+ 151mb http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/adblocker-memory-consumption.jpg/
UBlock 64MB http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/adblocker-memory-consumption.jpg/
(hosts ~6mb)
ClarityRay defeatable
Don't work http://www.businessinsider.com/google-microsoft-amazon-taboola-pay-adblock-plus-to-stop-blocking-their-ads-2015-2/
SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions/686041/which-leads-to-faster-browsing-an-ad-blocker-or-an-edited-hosts-file/
People on slow connections like satellite make up such a ridiculously small percentage of the market that it makes no sense to optimize or create functionality for them. Most people's mobile connections are faster than their home broadband these days. There are plenty of extensions out there to help you on a slow connection, click-to-load images, etc. but ultimately it's just the nature of the beast. We aren't downloading web pages, we are downloading entire applications that we are running through our browser virtual machines. Slow-connection functionality shouldn't be added to mainline browsers--they should be focused entirely on speed and efficiency. Browser extensions are the best solution.
and use the DMCA [...] or foreign counterparts
DCMA, yeah. The world does not care about DCMA, only the US.
Technically, you are correct. But in practice, two things are true. For one thing, Slashdot and many of its users are in the United States. For another, I mentioned not only DMCA but also "foreign counterparts" to the DMCA, by which I meant other countries' implementations of the WIPO Copyright Treaty of 1996, such as Article 6 of the Directive 2001/29/EC in the European Union and the "digital locks" provision of the Copyright Modernization Act of 2012 in Canada.
NoScript's inferior to hosts on ads - it parses tags: Hosts block adscript source in 1 step before NoScript starts via NEW APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/
Ads & malware rob speed/security/privacy
Hosts add speed (via hardcodes/adblocks), security (vs. bad sites/malware/poisoned dns), reliability (vs. dns down), & anonymity (vs. dns requestlogs/trackers).
Less power/cpu/ram + IO use vs. DNS/routers/addons/antivirus + less security bugs/complexity & faster vs. addons/routers/remote dns!
* Via what you NATIVELY have built into the TCP/IP stack in FASTER kernelmode!
APK
P.S. - Safe https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e01211ca36aa02e923f20adee0a3c4f5d5187dc65bdf1c997b3da3c2b0745425/analysis/1433430542/
Prevention = best medicine (& what you can't touch can't hurt you) via NEW APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/
Ads & malware rob speed/security/privacy
Hosts add speed (via hardcodes/adblocks), security (vs. bad sites/malware/poisoned dns), reliability (vs. dns down), & anonymity (vs. dns requestlogs/trackers).
Less power/cpu/ram + IO use vs. DNS/routers/addons/antivirus + less security bugs/complexity & faster vs. addons/routers/remote dns!
Avoids DNSChangers in routers/IP settings & dns redirects (99.999% of ISP DNS != patched vs. it) + lightens DNS load & resolves faster from local system RAM!
* Via what you NATIVELY have built into the TCP/IP stack in FASTER kernelmode!
APK
P.S. - Safe https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e01211ca36aa02e923f20adee0a3c4f5d5187dc65bdf1c997b3da3c2b0745425/analysis/1433430542/
NoScript's inferior to hosts on ads - it parses tags: Hosts block adscript source in 1 step before NoScript starts via NEW APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/
Ads & malware rob speed/security/privacy
Hosts add speed (via hardcodes/adblocks), security (vs. bad sites/malware/poisoned dns), reliability (vs. dns down), & anonymity (vs. dns requestlogs/trackers).
Less power/cpu/ram + IO use vs. DNS/routers/addons/antivirus + less security bugs/complexity & faster vs. addons/routers/remote dns!
* Via what you NATIVELY have built into the TCP/IP stack in FASTER kernelmode!
APK
P.S. - Safe https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e01211ca36aa02e923f20adee0a3c4f5d5187dc65bdf1c997b3da3c2b0745425/analysis/1433430542/
Prevention = best medicine (& what you can't touch can't hurt you) via NEW APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/
Ads & malware rob speed/security/privacy
Hosts add speed (via hardcodes/adblocks), security (vs. bad sites/malware/poisoned dns), reliability (vs. dns down), & anonymity (vs. dns requestlogs/trackers).
Less power/cpu/ram + IO use vs. DNS/routers/addons/antivirus + less security bugs/complexity & faster vs. addons/routers/remote dns!
Avoids DNSChangers in routers/IP settings & dns redirects (99.999% of ISP DNS != patched vs. it) + lightens DNS load & resolves faster from local system RAM!
* Via what you NATIVELY have built into the TCP/IP stack in FASTER kernelmode!
APK
P.S. - Safe https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e01211ca36aa02e923f20adee0a3c4f5d5187dc65bdf1c997b3da3c2b0745425/analysis/1433430542/
NoScript's inferior to hosts on ads - it parses tags: Hosts block adscript source in 1 step before NoScript starts via NEW APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/
Ads & malware rob speed/security/privacy
Hosts add speed (via hardcodes/adblocks), security (vs. bad sites/malware/poisoned dns), reliability (vs. dns down), & anonymity (vs. dns requestlogs/trackers).
Less power/cpu/ram + IO use vs. DNS/routers/addons/antivirus + less security bugs/complexity & faster vs. addons/routers/remote dns!
* Via what you NATIVELY have built into the TCP/IP stack in FASTER kernelmode!
APK
P.S. - Safe https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e01211ca36aa02e923f20adee0a3c4f5d5187dc65bdf1c997b3da3c2b0745425/analysis/1433430542/
NoScript parses tags. Inferior usermode slower vs. hosts. Hosts block adscript sources in 1 step before NoScript starts via NEW APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/
Ads & malware rob speed/security/privacy
Hosts add speed (via hardcodes/adblocks), security (vs. bad sites/malware/poisoned dns), reliability (vs. dns down), & anonymity (vs. dns requestlogs/trackers).
Less power/cpu/ram + IO use vs. DNS/routers/addons/antivirus + less security bugs/complexity & faster vs. addons/routers/remote dns!
* Via what you NATIVELY have built into the TCP/IP stack in FASTER kernelmode!
APK
P.S. - Safe https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e01211ca36aa02e923f20adee0a3c4f5d5187dc65bdf1c997b3da3c2b0745425/analysis/1433430542/
See my subject & NEW APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/
Ads & malware rob speed/security/privacy
Hosts add speed (via hardcodes/adblocks), security (vs. bad sites/malware/poisoned dns), reliability (vs. dns down), & anonymity (vs. dns requestlogs/trackers).
Less power/cpu/ram + IO use vs. DNS/routers/addons/antivirus + less security bugs/complexity & faster vs. addons/routers/remote dns!
Avoids DNSChangers in routers/IP settings & dns redirects (99.999% of ISP DNS != patched vs. it) + lightens DNS load & resolves faster from local system RAM!
* Via what you NATIVELY have built into the TCP/IP stack in FASTER kernelmode!
APK
P.S. - Safe https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e01211ca36aa02e923f20adee0a3c4f5d5187dc65bdf1c997b3da3c2b0745425/analysis/1433430542/b
Via NEW APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/
Ads & malware rob speed/security/privacy
Hosts add speed (via hardcodes/adblocks), security (vs. bad sites/malware/poisoned dns), reliability (vs. dns down), & anonymity (vs. dns requestlogs/trackers).
Less power/cpu/ram + IO use vs. DNS/routers/addons/antivirus + less security bugs/complexity & faster vs. addons/routers/remote dns!
Avoids CDN tracking, DNSChangers in routers/IP settings & dns redirects (99.999% of ISP DNS != patched vs. it) + lightens DNS load & resolves faster from local system RAM!
* Via what you NATIVELY have built into the TCP/IP stack in FASTER kernelmode!
APK
P.S. - Safe https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e01211ca36aa02e923f20adee0a3c4f5d5187dc65bdf1c997b3da3c2b0745425/analysis/1433430542/
Block ad script sources most efficient fastest way & keep images as compensation via APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/
Ads & malware rob speed/security/privacy
Hosts add speed (via hardcodes/adblocks), security (vs. bad sites/malware/poisoned dns), reliability (vs. dns down), & anonymity (vs. dns requestlogs/trackers).
Less power/cpu/ram + IO use vs. DNS/routers/addons/antivirus + less security bugs/complexity & faster vs. addons/routers/remote dns!
Resolve site names faster from local system RAM!
* Via what you NATIVELY have built into the TCP/IP stack in FASTER kernelmode!
APK
P.S. - Safe https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e01211ca36aa02e923f20adee0a3c4f5d5187dc65bdf1c997b3da3c2b0745425/analysis/1433430542/
It's not the browser's fault that you haven't configured it to work the way you need it to work on your connection.
Many websites load up all sorts of other stuff than the stuff you went on the site to see. Uses of bandwith and or Ram and or neurons.
Then, a while back I had an insight. A lot of websites are hoping they can make money off you, either you paying them or them selling eyeballs to advertisers. A lot of websites overload all sorts of things because owners of websites don't want you switching to another website. If they can freeze your computer, all the better.
BTW, some of the worst are old-pre-internet news sites, newspapers, TV networks.
See my subject & proof vs. your libelous lies https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e01211ca36aa02e923f20adee0a3c4f5d5187dc65bdf1c997b3da3c2b0745425/analysis/1433430542/ that prove my ware's safe/clean
That's in addition to & the fact that the highly esteemed Malwarebytes' own employee verifed the code as safe too "I've seen the code & it's safe" http://forum.hosts-file.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4290/
PLUS h t t p : / / f . v i r s c a n . o r g / A P K H o s t s F i l e E n g i n e I n s t a l l e r 3 2 _ 6 4 b i t . e x e . h t m l (take out spaces here)
* How did it taste eating your words? A bit like your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH ramming them down & washed down by the BITTER taste of SELF-defeat??
APK
P.S.=> Plenty of our /. peers alone & many 1,000's worldwide disagree outnumbering you in next 2 posts from me... apk
his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant
his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg
I've never tried to belittle (APK's) work, I've flat out said it's good by BronsCon
take a look at the APK hosts file engine by SuperKendall
APK is kinda right. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works by bmo
APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience by chihowa
I like your host file system by Karmashock
I find your hosts file admirable by vel-ex-tech
* My code's liked + recommended & hosted by Malwarebytes' hpHosts!
QUESTION: How'd it taste eating yer words? Like yer FOOT IN YER MOUTH ramming 'em down washed down by the BITTER taste of SELF-defeat??.
APK
P.S.=> More coming... apk
I support APK's stand on the hosts file by Trax3001BBS
Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is quite valid by JazzLad
No complaints from me, I like APK... Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free by aaaaaaargh!
APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good by Culture20
APK... Awesome to see he's still spreading the good word by Molochi
ABP is insufficient as a solid hosts file does everything that APK reminds us about by fast turtle
APK isn't wrong by cfalcon
APK, I know people give you a lot of shit regarding hosts, but please don't ever stop by nasredin
You need APK's hosts file by Teun
APK solution STILL relevant by Thud457
you're right about hosts files by drinkypoo
APK
P.S.=> They're in addition to https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10230505&cid=53845733/ many more earlier + 1,000's worldwide - there's no arguing w/ success... apk
Use http2 on a proxy link.
Change the tcp initcnd and timeouts.
If possible, tune the response to packet loss to be 1/6th or so of what it is by default.
I have a proxy (squid) that supplies HTTPS just fine. It just can't cache anything served over HTTPS.
Polipo is the same way: it caches cleartext HTTP and uses CONNECT for HTTPS. But with HTTPS traffic having already exceeded cleartext HTTP traffic, the majority of traffic passing through the Squid or Polipo proxy will be under the CONNECT method. And as more and more public sites continue to adopt HTTPS, your cache hit rates will fall to single digit percentages, at which point there becomes less of a business case for continuing to maintain the proxy in the first place.
See my subject & on MANY levels, routers vs. hosts files https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10230847&cid=53852149/ & he literally ADMITTED DEFEAT https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10172213&cid=53820595/
So "eat your words"...
APK
P.S.=> Routers = another a layer of "Bolt on 'MoAr'" illogic logic imo, yes they work, but cost more (for router itself + higher power bills) & are non-native complexity + are exploitable as hell as well as a SINGLE point of fail + are slower on resolution by FAR (hosts are easily centrally migrated to all PC/Server endpoints by admins using logon/startup script, chronjobs or manually run scripts))... apk
Irrelevant.