Mod this man up, Bruce has no idea what he's talking about. De Raadt sought freely redistributable firmwares for wireless cards like the Intel ones (iwi) which don't carry their firmware on flash, this was to allow people who already have the open source driver to have the firmware ready with the system to upload to the card without having to go through a click-through licensing agreement.
Noone running a system like Windows is reasonably protected, even with the last patches that were put out for 98 there are still virii live on the Internet exploiting problems in the system - problems which cannot be fixed, the effects of these virii are noticable on a network, the packets produced by a virus as it seeks out a new system to infect are often massive in output.
These people being infected with virii don't simply effect themselves, they take up bandwidth that others could be using and can cause issues for the people who are not infected by the virus as it checks every IP address on their block.
Many people are willing to update a free peice of software to the most recent version, so users on an older Windows who use Firefox likely follow releases to a reasonable degree - without the continued support the issues in the older Firefox version will now be a means of infection which will produce the slowdowns on networks that noone likes.
This isn't a flat issue of people on older machines instantly disappearing (nor are the virii which were made to exploit them disappearing), they're sticking it out because the computer works just fine, just like their TV or toaster, the problem is the computer is online causing issues for all of us.
The infection is not the only means by which a virus effects you.
If the machines are not supported at all, they'll still be used until they need to be reformated, once again with their old Windows version only to get the virii over and over - still causing problems on the Internet.
I don't care much for cruft, but if I had the choice, I'd rather the idiots who are using older operating systems and hardware have as good of protection as possible in order to save me the trouble of dealing with the results of their browsing than a browser that's codebase is slightly smaller.
You're wrong, people do care about if something still runs on Mac OS 9, the people who have hardware which is still perfectly fine and an operating system that still does everything they need. These people see no reason to upgrade to a new machine with new operating system because it hold no benifits, it's just a bunch of money they'd rather use on something like bills.
The same is true for many Windows 95 users, they have machines that will still run fine for years and will do exactly what they want - their e-mail and some web surfing. I have met these people, when I can I upgrade their hardware so that it's able to at least run 2000, I do so, but sometimes I just don't have the spare parts sitting around waiting for them.
Not everyone has a couple grand they are able to flop down at the drop of a hat in order to get the latest and greatest, some people have very tight budgets.
While it is true many of these people don't expect the biggest and best of the software world to run on their machines, it's not that they don't want them to.
These people are out there, and will stay out there for a long time. The Internet will always have traces of these legacy systems as long as it exists in it's current form, is it not better to at least try to give them something reasonably up-to-date in order to protect ourselves from their inevitable infections?
That is why OpenSSH runs on so many systems, it was meant to remove a insecurity via telnet and rlogin from the Internet, for everyone's benifit.
He said it because it's what open source developers are you dipshit, they volunteer their time to develop a free piece of software, the only one of them that is consistantly making a living through OpenBSD is de Raadt, and he lives and breaths OpenBSD. Perhaps you should be reading a different section of Slashdot, so as to not confuse you with these complex concepts.
No, a sprint is shorter than a hackathon and tends to be run by significantly smaller projects than a full operating systems. Something insignificant like pypy or the like does a sprint, infact that's how most of their development is done, two day sprints all the time.
Many view Linux, with it's commercially driven, binary-embedding kernel and the operating systems which use it as unfree.
Others view the GPL as overly restrictive, and thus systems which agree with the FSF's POV as unfree.
Others still view systems with large beurocratic bodies as restricted by these bodies, OpenBSD only one body, Theo, thus there is no plan-encumbering beurocracy, whereas those with the overbearing councils, cores and foundations do and are thus unfree.
I'm well establish here on Slashdot too, and have a history of being modded up as well, does that mean me making complete bullshit up and it being modded up by people who take my bullshit for the truth because they are ignorant makes me a more respectable figure here at Slashdot? I sure as hell hope not.
You have no credentials, noone can even varify your name. You have no more merit nor more proven knowledge than Some Random Username, hell, he too has a history of being modded up.
Of the two of you, I trust SRU, since he's not being a blowhard dick that talks out their ass, so far that landslide hasn't come, huh?
I only called you a dumbass, but sure, you're a fuckhead too.
You're the one that complains about not wanting to spend money on something, because you're too lazy to make your own. You don't have to spend money on OpenBSD, just use braincells.
Yeah, NicM did a great job of editing it, he wrote big wads of it after he and I did the initial information collection. I've still got some stuff that was cut out of it to put into new articles.
Yeah, it was mostly Nathan Montague and Nicholas Marriott that did it, me being Nathan Montague and NicM in #openbsd on Freenode being Nicholas Marriott.
What's missing then? You have your GUI, your browser, your networking all good to go. Hell, had you been smart and turned on ntpd you'd have your time right too. A default install has a little of everything, it's got hunt, what more do you need?
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FreeBSD's Project Evil works on NetBSD, it's in-tree. OpenBSD will never, ever have it. Because, as you said, no binary blobs go into OpenBSD.
Mod this man up, Bruce has no idea what he's talking about. De Raadt sought freely redistributable firmwares for wireless cards like the Intel ones (iwi) which don't carry their firmware on flash, this was to allow people who already have the open source driver to have the firmware ready with the system to upload to the card without having to go through a click-through licensing agreement.
Noone running a system like Windows is reasonably protected, even with the last patches that were put out for 98 there are still virii live on the Internet exploiting problems in the system - problems which cannot be fixed, the effects of these virii are noticable on a network, the packets produced by a virus as it seeks out a new system to infect are often massive in output.
These people being infected with virii don't simply effect themselves, they take up bandwidth that others could be using and can cause issues for the people who are not infected by the virus as it checks every IP address on their block.
Many people are willing to update a free peice of software to the most recent version, so users on an older Windows who use Firefox likely follow releases to a reasonable degree - without the continued support the issues in the older Firefox version will now be a means of infection which will produce the slowdowns on networks that noone likes.
This isn't a flat issue of people on older machines instantly disappearing (nor are the virii which were made to exploit them disappearing), they're sticking it out because the computer works just fine, just like their TV or toaster, the problem is the computer is online causing issues for all of us.
The infection is not the only means by which a virus effects you.
If the machines are not supported at all, they'll still be used until they need to be reformated, once again with their old Windows version only to get the virii over and over - still causing problems on the Internet.
I don't care much for cruft, but if I had the choice, I'd rather the idiots who are using older operating systems and hardware have as good of protection as possible in order to save me the trouble of dealing with the results of their browsing than a browser that's codebase is slightly smaller.
You're wrong, people do care about if something still runs on Mac OS 9, the people who have hardware which is still perfectly fine and an operating system that still does everything they need. These people see no reason to upgrade to a new machine with new operating system because it hold no benifits, it's just a bunch of money they'd rather use on something like bills.
The same is true for many Windows 95 users, they have machines that will still run fine for years and will do exactly what they want - their e-mail and some web surfing. I have met these people, when I can I upgrade their hardware so that it's able to at least run 2000, I do so, but sometimes I just don't have the spare parts sitting around waiting for them.
Not everyone has a couple grand they are able to flop down at the drop of a hat in order to get the latest and greatest, some people have very tight budgets.
While it is true many of these people don't expect the biggest and best of the software world to run on their machines, it's not that they don't want them to.
These people are out there, and will stay out there for a long time. The Internet will always have traces of these legacy systems as long as it exists in it's current form, is it not better to at least try to give them something reasonably up-to-date in order to protect ourselves from their inevitable infections?
That is why OpenSSH runs on so many systems, it was meant to remove a insecurity via telnet and rlogin from the Internet, for everyone's benifit.
He said it because it's what open source developers are you dipshit, they volunteer their time to develop a free piece of software, the only one of them that is consistantly making a living through OpenBSD is de Raadt, and he lives and breaths OpenBSD. Perhaps you should be reading a different section of Slashdot, so as to not confuse you with these complex concepts.
No, a sprint is shorter than a hackathon and tends to be run by significantly smaller projects than a full operating systems. Something insignificant like pypy or the like does a sprint, infact that's how most of their development is done, two day sprints all the time.
George Bush has done wonders for the Canadian dollar.
That's strange, on OpenBSD with Opera 8.54 it is the only one of the three that doesn't fuck up for me.
ipsecctl is part of OpenBSD's home grown ipsec, FreeBSD uses KAME's racoon, so they are likely incompatible.
Many view Linux, with it's commercially driven, binary-embedding kernel and the operating systems which use it as unfree.
Others view the GPL as overly restrictive, and thus systems which agree with the FSF's POV as unfree.
Others still view systems with large beurocratic bodies as restricted by these bodies, OpenBSD only one body, Theo, thus there is no plan-encumbering beurocracy, whereas those with the overbearing councils, cores and foundations do and are thus unfree.
Modulate?
Better a pain in the ass for idiots who can't just code portably than the people who matter.
I'm well establish here on Slashdot too, and have a history of being modded up as well, does that mean me making complete bullshit up and it being modded up by people who take my bullshit for the truth because they are ignorant makes me a more respectable figure here at Slashdot? I sure as hell hope not.
You have no credentials, noone can even varify your name. You have no more merit nor more proven knowledge than Some Random Username, hell, he too has a history of being modded up.
Of the two of you, I trust SRU, since he's not being a blowhard dick that talks out their ass, so far that landslide hasn't come, huh?
Dude, what are you smoking? Guy never mentioned an ax, he said you were a loudmouth, a blowhard - and you are.
I only called you a dumbass, but sure, you're a fuckhead too.
You're the one that complains about not wanting to spend money on something, because you're too lazy to make your own. You don't have to spend money on OpenBSD, just use braincells.
Free disk images, what are you on? Are you looking for free ISOs? Make your own. Looking for premade installs for VMWare? Do a netinstall.
The stuff is free to download, dumbass. CVS, FTP and HTTP are hard huh? Or is it that making an ISO is scarey?
Yeah, NicM did a great job of editing it, he wrote big wads of it after he and I did the initial information collection. I've still got some stuff that was cut out of it to put into new articles.
That's because there's no BSD section in the list on the menu to the left, they think it's self evident now.
Same with tcpdump, because they don't trust the official developers.
Yeah, it was mostly Nathan Montague and Nicholas Marriott that did it, me being Nathan Montague and NicM in #openbsd on Freenode being Nicholas Marriott.
Well, you look at the History tab above the article, and then you know.
What's missing then? You have your GUI, your browser, your networking all good to go. Hell, had you been smart and turned on ntpd you'd have your time right too. A default install has a little of everything, it's got hunt, what more do you need?
What the hell do you think I just said? You think an Statesman would be so pissed at a tld being competely controlled by the United States of America?
What I want is the usage of the .edu tld loosened, having to be accredited in the US? What kind of bullshit is that?
And it's so damned hard to get a .info?