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OpenBSD 3.9 Released
An anonymous reader writes "OpenBSD 3.9 was released this morning and is now available for download from the OpenBSD mirror sites. Among the new features is integrated framework for monitoring hardware sensors, a BSD licensed driver for nvidia nforce ethernet, and loads of new drivers and bug fixes. Of course you can still purchase the CD-ROM set which includes support for five platforms: i386, amd64, macppc, sparc, sparc64, and also includes the complete blob free source tree and prebuilt packages for many architectures. As always your contributions help to continue the devlopment of this great opeating system."
BSD confirms it. Netcraft is dead.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
As always your contributions help to continue the devlopment of this great opeating system."
That sentence about should read:
As always your contributions help to continue the devlopment of all opeating systems.
Apple's security relies on openSSH, Microsoft service's for Unix are openBSD tools, there's traces of it all over linux. In short openBSD has made everyone's lives better - you should contribute to openBSD if you're a computer user of any sort!
Thanks Theo - for releasing your work under a BSD license, you've allowed us all to benefit from it.
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
which includes support for five platforms: i386, amd64, macppc, sparc, sparc64
at least you'll be able to do something with your old mac when Apple is done switching and pulls the plug on ppc support for good...
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Actually the CDs have been shipped for those that preordered, I got mine a couple fo weeks ago. The best thing, it just installs like a dream. I tried setting it up inside a VMware Workstation, took all of about 5 minutes from the CD.
I also made my first donation to OpenBSD for a long time, to keep it going, since I use OpenSSH every day, infact my job depends on it.
Installed on an AMD64X2-3800. zoom Had to compile -current for something but I'm in the minority.
Order the CDs and make a donation today, you cheap bastards!
Trolling is a art,
"help to continue the devlopment of this great opeating system."
1. Spel checkr.
2. Full LRF support.
3. There is no third thing.
4. Universal Binary.
"Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
.....what do we have to wait on now.
Before the weight of the collective slashdot effect kills the main BSD servers, check out the bit torrents that are located here: http://openbsd.somedomain.net/
-- Don't make me replace you with a small shell script.
sparc, as well as sparc64? I know it's über to have an old Sparcstation IPX running Sendmail under your desk, but seriously, isn't it time to let sparc die? If its ANY work at all to maintain outside of the sparc64 tree, let it go. Also, I for one, welcome our ppc overlords, as my G3 running YDL (at the moment) is an excellent combination. PPC is not nearly as dead as Sparc, or as *BSD, for that matter. (joke, not a troll!)
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
> If the theological debates could be set aside
THEOlogical debates. in an open bsd story. hahahahaha. geddit?
oh ok. sorry.
I suggest a spellchecker, it bears worth repeating.
:|
I suggest a decent command of English. "It bears worth repeating." What is that?
iqu
humor?
I love that donkey. Hell, I love everybody.
Not to disagree ith you but I'm a longtime Ubuntu user (since Jan 2005) and I'd like to ask: what, among the things you've listed, couldn't have been done without Linux?
:-)
Go to the Ubuntu packages pages & search for openbsd Two pages of results! And that's barely scrathing the surface.
Furthermore, as someone else in this thread mentions, openBSD audits their code more thoroughly prior to inclusion in their system. Many packages used in Ubuntu (apache, x.org, etc etc etc) have bug fixes contributed back from the openBSD port.
You're thinking I'm saying that openBSD can do something linux can't - I'm not really, its more like openBSD is the cranky old uncle of the free-unix family, telling all the youngsters to lock their doors & not walk around at night
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
The abstract:
Yeah, I thought about that pun when I was writing the original post, but if I made dumb jokes instead of a point, people would think I was merely trying to stall, man. Bdump-bump (tch).
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
Hey nubi. 1 1/2 years is a _short_ time. GCC and X-Windows have been around much longer than Linux, so go read up on your UNIX history.
"longtime...(since Jan 2005)"
LOL! This statement is just sooo linux. So you use Ubuntu, like the hordes who jumped on Gentoo when it was cool (and on Red Hat and Mandrake long before that.) The overwhelming majority of users who yell 'Linux!' at everybody are switching distros everytime a new one comes out. That's why so much effort goes in to semi-locking-in users by the package management system, a la YAST2. Keep your Ubuntu CD for another year AC, I'll bet even money you have a different distro on your machine.
Of course, this is not to disparage the Ubuntu project; it's one of the more noble to come along in a while. But so is Slackware, because for more than ten years it's been dedicated to making a distro that just gets the damn work done. That's noble too, by the way.
Check out the new apmd, it does automatic throttling of cpu power based on system load and laptop battery. Cool stuff!
Unfortunately, my laptop is ACPI-only (no APM in the BIOS) and it doesn't look like they finished the ACPI code yet. But at least obsd now supports the AMD K8 PowerNow feature, so at least I can limp along for the time being.
This article, covering the release of 3.9 includes some discussion of the ways in which users of other operating systems benefit from the continued health of the OpenBSD project, including the views of one of the OpenBSD devs.
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I ran an OpenBSD box for a while and I really loved it, EXCEPT for the fact that all the bug fixes were source only. Downloading, patching, and recompiling was a pain (as opposed to say... yum update or apt-get update), and it crimped my diskspace to maintain a source tree (it was an old box with a 10gb drive) so the box became another linux machine (CentOS).
I'd go back to OpenBSD in a second, if they have binary updates available. I really liked the fact that OpenBSD was minimal (not a lot of cruft and bloat), secure, and correct, but the source patching was just too much for me to keep up with.
Wow, I thought having open drivers was one of the main thrusts of OpenBSD.
Thanks, moderators!
From OSNews:
"Some unofficial (and of course unsupported by OpenBSD team) install ISOs:
http://hup.hu/node/24625"
[...]its more like openBSD is the cranky old uncle of the free-unix family, telling all the youngsters to lock their doors & not walk around at night
Cranky yes, but OpenBSD is the new kid on the block as far as Linux/*BSD.
Anybody know if OpenBSD 3.9 supports 32 and 64 bit development on the x64/AMD64 platform? I installed OpenBSD 3.8 and it only seemed to support 32 bit development on the i386 distro and 64 bit development on the x64 distro... but not both on the x64 distro. Any ideas?
... well if you are going to be like that what's an opiating system?.. does it get you high while you read your e-mail or something?
Jonathan Gray said some interesting things about their contacts with nVIDIA...
I need an answer for this question too.. :)
A more detailed version is in the kerneltrap interview.
After two weeks of attempting to get the various crappy beta-quality drivers to work on linux, I switched to OpenBSD to find that it supported my wireless card perfectly. (I have a PPC machine, so ndiswrapper was not an option.)
Installing was also easy. If you have a little patience and are not afraid of a text-only install, starting OpenBSD was very easy.
I like this operating system. The man files are comprehensive and well written, and even a person with limited technical experience (me) was able to get everything working fairly quickly.
3.9 adds Zaurus remote control (zrc) support.s ektion=4&arch=zaurus
info: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=zrc&
To Hell with the Queen of England!
The short answer: run a snapshot after patches are announced. If your system is not that important, and you are just testing it, upgrading to the latest snapshot gets you the latest patched version of the OS. I have done this over and over, so for me, it is blazing fast. If you don't want to learn how to update to the latest snapshot (and it doesn't take any more room than what your install took), maybe you won't be happy with OpenBSD.
Of course, now I don't worry about announced vulnerabilities, because I have to spend so much time running IE to do the MS upsdates on all of the Windows boxes. I fear a MS vulnerability much more than an OBSD vulnerability.
Seems it's time for dumping # Sendmail 8.13.4, with libmilter :-)
and Bind 9.3.1 (+ patches) for qmail and djbdns
-Dee
And How do you change the screen resolution in VMWare Workstation to anything else? After I insalled 3.9 Shift+Ctl+Plus didn't change anything or cycle through the different resolutions.
I think you have to run Ooo in Linux emulation mode (add kern.emul.linux=1 to /etc/sysctl.conf and pkg_add relevant packages (see OpenBSD FAQ)). This is absolutely the best (and only) way to run Ooo in OBSD for now...
One problem is that Ooo contains lots of bugs, especially those related to memory handling. These bugs cause problems with e.g. OpenBSD's new malloc(3) call. Some porting and bugfixing work has actually been done by some OpenBSD developers but as far as I know that particular port is nowhere near production quality. Apparently more developers/coders/testing guinea pigs (with proper bug reporting skills) are needed. Some information about the OpenBSD port of Ooo is available in this presentation.
Why are you wasting time in IE doing MS updates? That's what WSUS is for.
Most of my OpenBSD boxes are IP-less firewalls, so usually I don't really worry about patching them until the next release comes out.
I could maintain a lot of stuff in 10GB, but given the sensitive nature of most OpenBSD installations (such as firewalls, etc.), GCC is not among the things I want to have around.
According to the FAQ, three file sets are required for installation:
Although that gets you a complete running system, it doesn't leave you with one that can self-host source updates. Given that I run exactly one OpenBSD machine at the office, I don't want to have a separate build server sitting around just to keep it updated. So, even though I have the hardware to support the process, and the technical skills to do so, it's still a major pain in the neck.
Oh, and to those saying I should just install snapshots, the FAQ says:
Elsewhere on the site are other discouraging words:For our major architectures, we tend to build mini releases of unknown stability and quality about every month or so. This is where we place those test releases.
Ain't no way I'm going to tell my boss that my security update process involves "mini releases of unknown stability and quality". That is why I'd like to see "baseXX-r1.tgz" at ftp.openbsd.bsd (and it's mirrors) that holds nothing but the 3 or 4 binaries I'd need to upgrade on a stock system to bring it up to date. I'm not stupid or broke - just very time-challenged. I'd be happy to pay for a subscription to such a service were one available.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
Not really. OpenBSD is a straight descendent of 4.4BSD which was way before Linux.
The noob and desktop friendly PC-BSD hit 1.0 release recently.
I'm having a hard time with this. This will be my first rack-mount server, and I really don't know much about what's available in this space. I've seen threads from a couple of years ago about this exact subject, but hardware recommendations from '04 aren't very helpful today.
Cost is a factor to some extent, but extreme reliability isn't a strong requirement (since we can always throw in a big-box temporary replacement on short notice). In other words, we're not looking for something that fell off the truck, but quad-redundant power supplies aren't a selling point for us.
How 'bout it, Slashdotters? Seen any sweet packet-pushing hardware that a small office can afford?
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
"a BSD licensed driver for nvidia nforce ethernet"
PLEASE, for love of Beastie, port this over to FreeBSD. The existing nve driver in FreeBSD is a POS.
I don't always use unix-like operating systems; but when I do, I prefer FreeBSD.
if you want to support the project, you should considering donating via a Recurring PayPal Donation (http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html) to help the project in a consistent basis. Donating 10$ a month can't be that much considering what you get from it...
Can I finally use carp on a transparent bridge?
The carp man page says something about not needing an IP anymore if you specify carpdev, but I haven't found any relevant examples. I'm in the middle of setting up two 3.9 boxes to try making it work.
Common sense is not so common.
How is 'since Jan 2005' a long time :) This must be a joke, but just in case...
There's no such thing as 'the Linux compiler' (hint: GCC is a GNU tool, Linux is a kernel and NOT a GNU project). Neither GNOME nor the X Window System are 'Linux contributions'. GNOME is a GNU project born for giving an alternative to KDE (because Qt was not free at the time) and XFree86 predates Linux.
The best way to predict the future is to invent it
If you can afford another OpenBSD box for building patches you can use binpatch.
The best way to predict the future is to invent it
4.4BSD was released in 1993 (lite in 94). Linux was released in 1991.
Of course, 4.4BSD descended from earlier BSDs, which predate Linux. But 4.4 certainly was not "way before Linux."
Ever see the address for Theo's personal website?
http://www.theos.com/
Was supposedly contrived from "Theo's dot com", but I'm sure he realized that "Theos" is greek for "God."
damn I love this little os..
Can anyone recommend a good therapist for me.. er.. my schizophrenic network card?
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