And beyond Inferno, lots of people have long wanted the plan9 C compiler to be MIT licensed so that a solid alternative to gcc could be developed. Theo de Raadt especially has talked about how much he'd love to swap gcc for the p9cc in OpenBSD.
So although not every ounce of plan9 would necessarily be wanted by someone, there are parts that people would love to have, if only for the license preventing it.
By getting the source you have to agree to comply with United States export regulations, a whole whack of garbage that I would rather not become fluent with in order to redistribute the code myself.
Being certified "open" by a bunch of guys doesn't mean it's usable. In this case it means a bunch of people with no real backbones, said that a huge pile of lawyerese was good instead of telling them to just use one of the existing licenses.
The redistribution restriction alone makes just putting it up on the internet, the way most every open source project is, completely impossible.
Nope, hardly the level of openness that makes it worth touching.
No, cause OpenBSD has it's own ports, FreeBSD has it's own ports and DragonFlyBSD has it's own ports.
That pkgsrc could be used in that manner does not mean it has.
As it is, pkgsrc is an alternative to the native packaging systems for the other three BSDs - not the replacement.
The day that each of the BSD leaderships put out some wonderful press release talking about how they have combined efforts to improving the pkgsrc system as their new ports tree is the day that your assumption becomes valid.
Um, pkgsrc hasn't merged anything. It's like openpkg and a few other projects - a multiplatform package system.
Just because there are multiplatform packagers that work on a particular operating system does not mean that the original packager is dropped.
Much as pf has become a firewall available on all the BSDs, it has not replaced the others to become the One True Firewall - it is an alternative which is available on multiple operating systems should the user desire it.
And pkgsrc isn't a seamlessly integrated part of anything but NetBSD, because that's where it's from.
It would be nice if all the BSDs merged together to share resources more and such, but that isn't going to happen this side of hell I fear.
Wine is still around because people want it. If people fork something BSD that doesn't mean they do a better version of it and sell it - it means their version is a seperate one. Distinct and not a part of the original codebase, that is all, it could be worse or better, it could have features you want and remove ones you want.
You seem to think that anything that doesn't give back their modifications to a codebase is somehow better than the original. I am unsure as to how much better the standard networking tools found in Windows are; because they came from the early BSD releases and are horridly out of date and difficult to use.
You can get one for 54.95 $ from Fentek Industries, Inc. 470 S. Main Street, Suite G, Post Office Box 2278, Cottonwood, Arizona, 86326 USA. Shipping and handeling extra of course, state taxes may apply, duty fees may apply, void in Quebec and Tennessee.
They actually have a few of them, check it out. And next time, use google for the words "mini keyboard".
Well, the BSD articles seem to be trolled so much because of Linux fans feeling insecure.
It seems to me to be a case of George Carlin's Bigger Dick Foreign Policy being translated to the software world.
You see, Linux fans get to say that they work with Free and Open software, but then there are these BSD guys that claim to be working on Freer and Opener software. They don't force cooperation and they don't allow as much binary stuff in their codebases.
This makes Linux fans feel uncomfortable and since they have no bombs handy, they troll.
What they need to do is just be the freedom loving hippies they claim to be and stop being bullying jerks, but most of them grew up in a nation run under the Bigger Dick Foreign Policy and thus don't really know how to get along with people.
I call it the Bigger Dick Sofware Scheme, I'm open to further developing of the theory, just leave proper credit.
Hmmm, BDSS, maybe if I rearranged those words a little.
Physical no, but definately what the Toshiba repairman on the phone said.
When my audio and frontal display both stopped working at the same time when it was around 4 years of age I phoned a local certified Toshiba shop, which were pleased to tell me my problem was a common one with DVD players. They said that they would have to have it brought in before they would be willing to tell me how much it would cost and that just looking at it would cost 25 dollars.
I thought to myself, if it's a common problem, then there must be people on the Internet who have had the same issue.
So I googled around and found quite a bit about it, mostly information supplied by Toshiba repairmen that are nice guys. The sites for the most part detailed how a fair number, though the SD-1700 especially, have this trouble and how a set of capacitors on the motherboard being replaced would fix the problem.
That my DVD player lasted longer than most doesn't really comfort me. I don't replace my TV every 4 years, it's gotta be going on 8 and my VCR is still going strong at almost 14 years old, so I really don't feel pleased in needing to repair something like this this soon in the player's lifespan.
I don't care if Toshiba made shoddy capacitors or bought them, they're the screw-ups asking me to pay for it.
I refuse to buy Toshiba branded products. Their DVD players have this wonderful knack for dying once they're three years old.
Three capacitors on my DVD player are all that stand between me and a working DVD player - but they'd be charging for it instead of fixing what is obviously them using shit to make it.
You said that they think very highly of a CMS, I said you're wrong. Where, pray tell, is my ax I am supposedly in need of honing?
You make it seem as though Google cares for this project in some manner, I pointed out that they obviously aren't taking favourites here. This was that the people that wanted to work on Drupal projects came up with ideas that people at Google thought interesting.
If you want to call an apple an orange you're not going to have me agreeing with you, cause they're not the same.
Apology accepted, next time just skip the attempt at undermining my character and you won't need to apologise though.
I highly doubt that being a part of the Summer of Code means Google is spooging over the project.
Both FreeBSD and NetBSD got projects, both GNOME and KDE got projects, both Ubuntu and Fedora Core got projects and both Perl and Python got projects. Each of those pairing are opposing projects, they just had interesting ideas that someone at Google liked.
So, I hardly see this as Google being infatuated with Drupal, more likely Drupal got a few proposals that interested the team that had to select from the 8k ideas. Maybe if other crappy little PHP CMSes had applied with ideas that seemed not only possible but useful there would be other ones in the Summer of Code.
I think the OpenBSD versus Linux one has been a bit stronger than the FreeBSD alternative recently.
A big part of that is because of Theo's opening driver work, cause the entire time he's been rubbing it in the noses of Linux developers and communities, cause they refused to help.
Not to mention the comments in that one interview.
Those and the whole security thing really put some gas on the fire that is OpenBSD versus Linux.
I guess this will start up the OpenBSD versus Linux versus FreeBSD versus Linux flamefest then.
You must be confused, perhaps you're reading bloat when I'm not saying it. Perhaps you've just not been following who's been saying what on this thread.
I said I want to have a programme do it's job and let other programmes do theirs.
I don't want some crazy monster that does everything, I want a bunch of things that work together and are modular that do their job well.
I never said anything against images girl, I never said anything against embeded sound or video either.
I said, girl, I said that web browsers should stick to the so called web and do it well instead of trying to do everything poorly.
Image support is fine, it's great. It's standard.
When you've got a browser that completely supports all the standards, then you have a good browser. I've yet to see that.
Instead I see a client that cannot pass the Acid2 test adding BitTorrent support instead of cleaning up it's CSS2 support.
You must be hard of reading, I never said I use Firefox. I don't use Firefox, it's slow and doesn't work the way I like it. I actually use Opera.
As I said, "I'd like those five programmes to all be able to interact (oh, some jagoff is linking to an ftp site, that'll open my ftp client)." I want a programme for each function, so I can replace them as I see fit. If I find a better IRC client, I want irc:// links to open my IRC client instead of the shitty one in my web browser. Likewise for other services be it ftp, scp, sftp or anything else.
I don't want an emacs for the Internet, I want a nice vi. Unfortunately, I am not rich enough to pay people to make it or skilled enough to make it myself.
I'm one of those guys that thinks my http/https browser should used for http and https, you know, "the web".
I don't think I should have an IRC client in it, I don't think I should have an e-mail client in it and I sure as hell think that bittorrent and ftp should stick to their own clients too.
I'd like those five programmes to all be able to interact (oh, some jagoff is linking to an ftp site, that'll open my ftp client), but I sure as hell don't want them to be the same programme.
Call me crazy, but I think that anything that isn't related to "web browsing" really doesn't belong in a "web browser".
I really doubt that the Debian team was the major factor in getting XFree86 to run on multiple platforms, last I checked NetBSD and OpenBSD also used it prior to the license debacle and I'll bet ya they submitted patches too. And, since they both run on more platforms, they probably helped it work on so many platforms too.
Perhaps it is better to say Debian's team contributed to XFree86's stability on multiple platforms.
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I guess he just didn't know the proper term the bookmakers use, which I don't actually know either.
Perhaps the term was actually borrowed from somewhere[1].
Of course, it could just be that I see a link where there isn't one.
1. a person who had read to many books with references marked.
And beyond Inferno, lots of people have long wanted the plan9 C compiler to be MIT licensed so that a solid alternative to gcc could be developed. Theo de Raadt especially has talked about how much he'd love to swap gcc for the p9cc in OpenBSD.
So although not every ounce of plan9 would necessarily be wanted by someone, there are parts that people would love to have, if only for the license preventing it.
By getting the source you have to agree to comply with United States export regulations, a whole whack of garbage that I would rather not become fluent with in order to redistribute the code myself.
The redistribution restriction alone makes just putting it up on the internet, the way most every open source project is, completely impossible.
Nope, hardly the level of openness that makes it worth touching.
If only the same were true about the operating system.
Or is it a computer to you?
That pkgsrc could be used in that manner does not mean it has.
As it is, pkgsrc is an alternative to the native packaging systems for the other three BSDs - not the replacement.
The day that each of the BSD leaderships put out some wonderful press release talking about how they have combined efforts to improving the pkgsrc system as their new ports tree is the day that your assumption becomes valid.
Just because there are multiplatform packagers that work on a particular operating system does not mean that the original packager is dropped.
Much as pf has become a firewall available on all the BSDs, it has not replaced the others to become the One True Firewall - it is an alternative which is available on multiple operating systems should the user desire it.
And pkgsrc isn't a seamlessly integrated part of anything but NetBSD, because that's where it's from.
It would be nice if all the BSDs merged together to share resources more and such, but that isn't going to happen this side of hell I fear.
I think he was trying to be funny, you know, cause the troll keeps talking about red ink and death and such.
You seem to think that anything that doesn't give back their modifications to a codebase is somehow better than the original. I am unsure as to how much better the standard networking tools found in Windows are; because they came from the early BSD releases and are horridly out of date and difficult to use.
You can get one for 54.95 $ from Fentek Industries, Inc. 470 S. Main Street, Suite G, Post Office Box 2278, Cottonwood, Arizona, 86326 USA. Shipping and handeling extra of course, state taxes may apply, duty fees may apply, void in Quebec and Tennessee.
They actually have a few of them, check it out. And next time, use google for the words "mini keyboard".
Heck, looks like there is an exact same modeled unit for sale for the next 4 days from the same people.
It seems to me to be a case of George Carlin's Bigger Dick Foreign Policy being translated to the software world.
You see, Linux fans get to say that they work with Free and Open software, but then there are these BSD guys that claim to be working on Freer and Opener software. They don't force cooperation and they don't allow as much binary stuff in their codebases.
This makes Linux fans feel uncomfortable and since they have no bombs handy, they troll.
What they need to do is just be the freedom loving hippies they claim to be and stop being bullying jerks, but most of them grew up in a nation run under the Bigger Dick Foreign Policy and thus don't really know how to get along with people.
I call it the Bigger Dick Sofware Scheme, I'm open to further developing of the theory, just leave proper credit.
Hmmm, BDSS, maybe if I rearranged those words a little.
Physical no, but definately what the Toshiba repairman on the phone said.
When my audio and frontal display both stopped working at the same time when it was around 4 years of age I phoned a local certified Toshiba shop, which were pleased to tell me my problem was a common one with DVD players. They said that they would have to have it brought in before they would be willing to tell me how much it would cost and that just looking at it would cost 25 dollars.
I thought to myself, if it's a common problem, then there must be people on the Internet who have had the same issue.
So I googled around and found quite a bit about it, mostly information supplied by Toshiba repairmen that are nice guys. The sites for the most part detailed how a fair number, though the SD-1700 especially, have this trouble and how a set of capacitors on the motherboard being replaced would fix the problem.
That my DVD player lasted longer than most doesn't really comfort me. I don't replace my TV every 4 years, it's gotta be going on 8 and my VCR is still going strong at almost 14 years old, so I really don't feel pleased in needing to repair something like this this soon in the player's lifespan.
I don't care if Toshiba made shoddy capacitors or bought them, they're the screw-ups asking me to pay for it.
Three capacitors on my DVD player are all that stand between me and a working DVD player - but they'd be charging for it instead of fixing what is obviously them using shit to make it.
So I just refuse to give them another cent.
You make it seem as though Google cares for this project in some manner, I pointed out that they obviously aren't taking favourites here. This was that the people that wanted to work on Drupal projects came up with ideas that people at Google thought interesting.
If you want to call an apple an orange you're not going to have me agreeing with you, cause they're not the same.
Apology accepted, next time just skip the attempt at undermining my character and you won't need to apologise though.
Both FreeBSD and NetBSD got projects, both GNOME and KDE got projects, both Ubuntu and Fedora Core got projects and both Perl and Python got projects. Each of those pairing are opposing projects, they just had interesting ideas that someone at Google liked.
So, I hardly see this as Google being infatuated with Drupal, more likely Drupal got a few proposals that interested the team that had to select from the 8k ideas. Maybe if other crappy little PHP CMSes had applied with ideas that seemed not only possible but useful there would be other ones in the Summer of Code.
A big part of that is because of Theo's opening driver work, cause the entire time he's been rubbing it in the noses of Linux developers and communities, cause they refused to help.
Not to mention the comments in that one interview.
Those and the whole security thing really put some gas on the fire that is OpenBSD versus Linux.
I guess this will start up the OpenBSD versus Linux versus FreeBSD versus Linux flamefest then.
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=15
Seriously, what the fuck?
Did you actually congratulate someone for posting on Slashdot?
Is it somehow now an accomplishment to have the fluke timing to get a number that someone somewhere finds significant?
Ye Gods, no wonder the moderating on this site is so bad.
Quick someone call the Department of Homeland Security! This terrorist is trying to bring down America by not buying American!
Thought you could get away with it did ya? Well, we're not fooled by your shenanigans, not even for a second, terrorist.
Girl, I don't think I did say bloat anywhere.
Hold on, let me check if I said bloat.
I'm sorry girl, but I never said bloat.
You must be confused, perhaps you're reading bloat when I'm not saying it. Perhaps you've just not been following who's been saying what on this thread.
I said I want to have a programme do it's job and let other programmes do theirs.
I don't want some crazy monster that does everything, I want a bunch of things that work together and are modular that do their job well.
I never said anything against images girl, I never said anything against embeded sound or video either.
I said, girl, I said that web browsers should stick to the so called web and do it well instead of trying to do everything poorly.
Image support is fine, it's great. It's standard.
When you've got a browser that completely supports all the standards, then you have a good browser. I've yet to see that.
Instead I see a client that cannot pass the Acid2 test adding BitTorrent support instead of cleaning up it's CSS2 support.
Girl, I said I want something that does it's job.
As I said, "I'd like those five programmes to all be able to interact (oh, some jagoff is linking to an ftp site, that'll open my ftp client)." I want a programme for each function, so I can replace them as I see fit. If I find a better IRC client, I want irc:// links to open my IRC client instead of the shitty one in my web browser. Likewise for other services be it ftp, scp, sftp or anything else.
I don't want an emacs for the Internet, I want a nice vi. Unfortunately, I am not rich enough to pay people to make it or skilled enough to make it myself.
I don't think I should have an IRC client in it, I don't think I should have an e-mail client in it and I sure as hell think that bittorrent and ftp should stick to their own clients too.
I'd like those five programmes to all be able to interact (oh, some jagoff is linking to an ftp site, that'll open my ftp client), but I sure as hell don't want them to be the same programme.
Call me crazy, but I think that anything that isn't related to "web browsing" really doesn't belong in a "web browser".
People with modpoints, pimp this man out.
Perhaps it is better to say Debian's team contributed to XFree86's stability on multiple platforms.