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Drupal Needs a New Home
reardonsteel writes "All of the Drupal websites were offline for about two days because of a server meltdown at the organization's hosting provider. The main Drupal website is back up with a single temporary page and they've announced a fund-raising drive to raise US$3000 for a new server to be hosted at the Open Source Lab at Oregon State University's server farm. Drupal is the leading open-source (written in PHP) content management system and is used to power tens of thousands of websites, blogs, community sites, etc." At this point, all they need is an actual server, too: the OSL has agreed to provide rack space, bandwidth, power, backup facilities and support.
So now we'll go ahead and destroy the temporary server too. Good work.
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one open-source content management system. Great with PHP and sysadmins, responds to the name Drupal.
and the description doesn't give me any indication whatsoever... what the hell is this about? what is drupal, what happened to their server, and why should i care?
In only 12 hours, they have already raised nearly 2000 dollars for the new server, PRIOR to the posting on slashdot. People who care change the world for the BETTER, while those who don't impact it terribly.
Durpal is great because you can find everything there and for very low prices although the shipping could be cheaper.
Dear friends and supporters of Drupal,
Quite a few people have pointed out that drupal.org has been slow lately. We know it's been slow, and have been working on optimizing Drupal.org; adding new features to help keep (evil) crawlers out, fine tuning MySQL and Apache, etc. The fact remains that as the result of Drupal's growing popularity, the server is saturated pretty much all day. This explains drupal.org's poor performance.
To make a long story short, our current server doesn't cut it anymore. Our unprecedented growth in traffic requires more and better hardware. To buy a new server we need your help to raise $3000 USD. Read more about the details below, or just click the Paypal donation button on the right.
Where we are now
Currently, drupal.org runs on a shared server paid for and maintained by Kjartan. The server is a single Pentium Xeon 3Ghz with 1 GB of RAM. There are about 20 sites running on the server, including some of our sites like http://drupal.org/, http://drupaldocs.org/ and http://cvs.drupal.org/. In addition to the websites, the server hosts our mailing lists, mailing list archives and CVS repositories. Last month, drupal.org alone served more than 3 million pages for 100 Gb of traffic (this does not include any of the other sites or services; non Drupal websites, Drupal mailing list traffic, etc).
What we have planned
In the few past weeks we have been talking to the Open Source Lab (OSL) at Oregon State University and they generously offered to provide free rack space, free bandwidth, free power, free backup facilities and onsite support. Scott Kveton, Associate Director of the Open Source Lab, explains:
"The OSL currently hosts several open source projects such as Mozilla, Gentoo, Debian, Freenode and the Apache Software Foundation. The hosting we do is to help facilitate projects as they grow and leverage an economy of scale by hosting them all in the same facilities. The services hosted at the OSL currently touch well over 20 million unique visitors a day and growing at a phenomenal rate.
As part of the hosting we do here, we offer other services such as DNS, database, backups, mail relay etc to the community to free up their hardware to do the "main thing" for their project. We have offered up rack space, bandwidth, power and our "smart hands" service to the Drupal project because we want to help a great project that is having a significant community meeting one of our goals; enabling communities."
In order to take advantage of this generous offer, we need to supply our own server.
What we need to get there
We would like to buy a Dell PowerEdge 1850 1U (or equivalent hardware) with two Pentium 2.8Ghz Xeon CPUs, at least 2 GB RAM and two 70+ GB SCSI disks with a RAID controller. The total cost of such hardware is approximately $3000 USD
Once we have collected enough money to buy a new server, we'll get it to OSL's data center, and we'll move the Drupal sites and services from the current server to the new server. At the same time, we hope to grow our team of server administrators, as well as extend the services we offer to the community. Things we plan to provide include a subversion mirror, an infrastructure for nightly tests, and so on.
How we are doing this
As many of you know, Drupal does not currently have a non-profit or foundation status. We are working on this and discussing with other large Open Source projects how they have handled it themselves. This will help in determining what will be best for us. No matter what we decide, filling out forms and filing paperwork will take time and money. Time we don't have.
Currently all funds are held by Dries so the equipment purchased will also
Never heard of Drupal. Can this be a marketing scheme?
What does your Credit Report look like?
Why do i care about this project?
It needs your money.
What was its place
drupal.org
and its goals?
Collect $3000.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
They have a server meltdown, so Slashdot gives them another?
:)
tim, I think you should watch your (real life) Karma...That's not very nice
xfce just got donated a new server from 2x.com For less than 1600 dollars. 3000? gimme a break!
What I don't get is why they aren't renting their own dedicated box, so they don't have to own the hardware. You can get a dual Xeon configuration for about $200-300/month and with about 2TB of bandwidth. Of course now they won't have a monthly bill, but every time they need to upgrade the machine or repair it, there are going to be costs.
see a Text Widget
Parent? Meet Google. I know it's hard to believe, but this is a site that catalogs the entire internet and allows you to search through them for the information you seek. For example, if you were to type "Drupal" in the text box and hit enter, the website would return thousands of pages that use that term, and would further enlighten you to
Or you could just use Wikipedia, which, of course, has a wonderful page up about Drupal. Oh, but I forgot. You're too busy to do any of that. We should just explain everything to you. Who do you think you are, man? Seriously? Not a web developer, obviously.
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1 Disruptive trolls
1.1 Crapflooding
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2 Offensive trolls
2.1 Homosexuality and racism
2.2 Anti-semitism
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3 Deceptive trolls
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Disruptive trolls
The purpose of disruptive trolls is to cause the pages of Slashdot to display in an undesirable way or to otherwise bring attention to themselves. The two major categories of disruptive trolls are crapflooding and page-widening.
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Crapflooding
Crapflooding is the posting of many nonsensical or gratuitously offensive messages in order to disrupt the normal functioning of Slashdot and annoy its users and editors.
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Offtopic stories
Pornographic/Homoerotic sex scenes with the names replaced with those of the slashdot editors or open source celebrities.
Incoherent nonsense that contains the correct letter frequencies so the lameness filter recognises it as vaguely English.
Offensive Base64 encoded images or text.
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The original page widening posts were simple messages consisting of one long stream of characters with no spaces. This caused browsers to render a very wide page with horizontal scroll bars, making it nearly impossible to read the comments page. Slashdot began inserting spaces into any long run of characters to prevent this and so began the evolutionary battle between Slashcode and the page widening trolls. Newer and more inventive ways o
Last month, drupal.org alone served more than 3 million pages for 100 Gb of traffic (this does not include any of the other sites or services; non Drupal websites, Drupal mailing list traffic, etc).
Once they have a new box, why don't they distribute their software and docs up on P2P? surely that'll lighten the network load and cost them less.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Isn't Drupal that drag queen? If I donate money, do I get a free account for the picture galleries? No, but seriously, Drupal is one of the more visible well written PHP applications, something to point at when the Perl freaks start blathering about how PHP is crap unfit for serious projects, and so on...
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Seriously, I have never heard of Drupal until I saw this article. It may be useful software, very useful, but who knows? FA like this should really start off like this:
Then maybe
To answer the question, what is Drupal...
Drupal is the open-source CMS behind:
and many more sites. Even if you don't know Drupal, you've probably visited a Drupal site before. Drupal is known for its modular architecture, clean code and developer friendlyness.
Today I was reading an entry in Eugenia Loli-Queru's Slashdot journal. It was discussing the recent defacing of TuxTops.com.
Now, looking at the source code to the main page of TuxTops.com I noticed that it includes a CSS file "misc/drupal.css". That would lead me to believe that they are using Drupal as their content management system. Please verify this for yourself if you do not believe me.
My question is: why was their site defaced so easily? Was it because Drupal itself is an inherently insecure system? Or was it just improperly installed?
Can anybody shed some light on this? I would like to use it, but seeing stuff like that makes me nervous.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
Server meltdown? Oh let's /. them now that they are back online.
I offered them a free Dual Xeon 2.8GHz server, 1GB RAM, 1x80GB hard drive with 500GB transfer a month, hosted at Simpli (my hosting company). We host several Drupal sites and I'd be happy to have them on board. I asked for a text link back to Simpli. I haven't heard back from them, so I guess they'd rather beg their users for money than take a free dedicated server. I have to say I'm a bit disappointed, but it's their money and their choice.
Simpli - Your source for San Jose dedicated servers and colocation!
When you have to claim you're the leading something-or-the-other in the same breath it takes to describe who you are, then you're clearly not there yet. Unable to handle the traffic, that a leader in something-or-the-other would be expected to have, doesn't help either.
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Bollocks. Slightly ahead of Mambo, Drupal is the leading CMS headache, a brittle pile of PHP script kiddie crap which probably caused their shared host to go down, as it did on my old shared host. "After 48 hours," I wouldn't "[still] have [not] responded to [our] support requests," either. I wish I could have back the month of my life extracating myself from Drupal cost me.
I just finished a project using drupal. I found it pretty solid CMS. The code is clean and relatively easy to manage.
Thalasar
I'd like to believe your advice but, I can't take advice from someone who can't spell ridiculous.
Your post was ridiculous.
How can they lead the content management industry, when they can't survive a server meltdown? Open source doesn't have to mean "living paycheck to paycheck". It has to mean "open for business". Otherwise, businesses (and sensible personal users) won't rely on it - won't use it. Because when it goes down, we're left hanging.
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From the single page, it says:
Fundraise status
Start date:
13 hours 5 min ago
Received:
$6468 USD
Target:
$3000 USD
Last updated:
2 min 56 sec ago
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
liqbase
Thanks for wasting my time. You do much for their cause.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
As a minor contributor to the Drupal project, I can tell you it rocks. It's a very well written piece of code. Much more than a CMS, it's a platform on which communities can be launched and mini applications can be written. I believe that Drupal could help revolutionize web site development for inidividuals, small non-profits, and small businesses. It's an extremely flexible and powerful platform. What's more, the main developers of Drupal are pure to the free software philosophy.
When the site comes back up, you should check it out.
---Technology will liberate us if it doesn't enslave us first.
...such as they could be using AWStats which recently provided a possible attack vector. They could have any other unsecure scripts running (phpbb et al). If they are on a shared host that hasn't locked down the environment (according to reverse DNS there's 4 sites on their machine).
Or it may have been drupal, who knows.
From what I've seen Drupal is one of the better written PHP blog/cms/portals out there (John Lim, author of PHP ADODB also seems to think so, pointing out several things like how damn small it is compared to other packages that provide the same functionality).
As always, YMMV.
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Received: :p Sounds like they got 4k$ in a few minutes
$6468 USD
Well, when it was posted on slashdot it was 2600+USD
Excuse me, they are asking for money. If I'm to donate MY money the damned project better benefit ME.
Its pretty simple.
Why should i have to search for 'more info' when they are asking for donations? A responsible 'news service' would happen to explain what the hell the subject was about. Other than just a blurb 'we are drupal and we want your money'.
Get off your high horse, idiot. Who the hell do you think YOU are? Not someone with some sense, obviously.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I just moved my website, GoRobotics.net (website about robotics) to Mambo.
How does Drupal compare to Mambo?
RobotBox - Robot projects from around the world
The point is that html supports this handy thing called links. You have made good use of them, but the article submitter could have done so. If the average slashdotter is going to have to use google to find out what it is (and judging by the number of "what is it" posts, in this story they do) then the submitter should include a link to the relevant result.
I am trolling
...seeing as the main drupal tarball is only ~450k.
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Okay, their server couldn't handle the strain and now we've /. them.
Wonder if they'll see the funny side?
xfce just got donated a new server from 2x.com For less than 1600 dollars. 3000? gimme a break!
I think that Drupal wants something more than a toy. A box full of a bunch of no-name, el-cheapo hardware isn't really going to cut it. $3K for a low to mid level, brand name server with some guts to it and a real warranty is a fair price.
-h-
Today, CivicSpace is a distribution of Drupal: their core is unforked, and their modules are developed and stored in the main Drupal repository. They contribute patches to the main project as well as work on their own stuff.
Is it possible to make a donation? Drupal is a great project and an impressive community.
Here is your one stop place to compare CMS ... cmsmatrix.org
No sig for now.
To the naysayers out there, you should know that Drupal got 11 "Summer of Code" developers. Do the folks at Google obviously think very highly of this open source project.
---Technology will liberate us if it doesn't enslave us first.
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"Two things inspire me to awe -- the starry heavens above and the moral universe within." - Albert Einstein
Far from true. I've worked with a large company that used a CMS (Interwoven Teamsite). Just about every enterprise website is CMS powered. And for many good reasons:
- separate content and code
- portability (apply a different presentation, and you can have xml output, html, wml, plain text, pdf, doc, ps, etc. etc)
- management (most content contributors don't know anything about html. Only the content.
IMHO above comment is a troll.
Yes and where were you before the actual problem? This was already in the works for the last few weeks.
:) ]
.... unfortunate.
It is better to OWN your core resources and leverage the other stuff that OSL is offering. They also provide mirroring, 24x7 admin staff familier with and specializing in open source software.
OSL does NOT REQUIRE an AD for this service. IT's just what they do. What happends when Drupal goes beyond 500GB/month? All this for the price of owning a server. I own my server and you seem to own yours.
For four years a very few people have born the expense of this while growing at a phenominal rate. While lots of happy users [and some that chose other products
Your post just seems a little
You can meet many former 'homosexuals'; you will never meet a former 'African-American'."
Are they trying to say that I'll never meet Michael Jackson?
Burn, Karma, Burn...
Both FreeBSD and NetBSD got projects, both GNOME and KDE got projects, both Ubuntu and Fedora Core got projects and both Perl and Python got projects. Each of those pairing are opposing projects, they just had interesting ideas that someone at Google liked.
So, I hardly see this as Google being infatuated with Drupal, more likely Drupal got a few proposals that interested the team that had to select from the 8k ideas. Maybe if other crappy little PHP CMSes had applied with ideas that seemed not only possible but useful there would be other ones in the Summer of Code.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
A CMS solves the problem of having 30 (or 300000, Slash is a CMS) people modify the site at the same time. Try doing that with flat html or custom written php. It also simplifies the routine management of the site, like archiving and indexing old news items (or blog posts, or whatever other C youre M'ing).
My apologies if I am way off base here, but it sounds like web programming means much less to you than it does to me. The great advantage of using a CMS is that I, the 1337 developer-dude, am not responsible for all the content on the site. If I wanted to spend 8 times the time on every project so that there are spiffy, user-friendly ways for the tech-unsavvy in my organization to be able to put up new content, I could do it.
But... somehow... I don't seem to have that sort of motivation... Actually, it's not a motivation thing. Ultimately, my time is worth more than building maintenance infrastructure that eventually starts to look an awful lot like a CMS.
-Ant Slayer-
They're being offered free colo and bandwidth. If they were to rent that for $300/month, they'd have spent $3000 in 10 months (or 15 months, if they're paying $200/month.) That's not very long - it's much better financially to buy the hardware and take the free monthly. Also, it's probably much easier to raise funds for a one-time item like this than to beg for rent money every month.
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The best? Nha, I think Typo3 is the best CMS system I have tried so far. Done my time in the hell of commercial systems and tested a few systems.
Typo3 is the best - but lets give Drupal some cash. Competetion is good!
Or maybe there was some misunderstanding you could clear up?
but what do i know, i'm just a model.
In Korea, only old people use Drupal.
In Soviet Russia, content manages you.
Did I ever use the word "infatuated"?
You don't think being among the 40 from over 8,000 ideas doesn't give the project some kind credibility?
Me thinks you have some kind of axe to grind. Sorry.
---Technology will liberate us if it doesn't enslave us first.
Drupal is NOT currently renting the box. One of the MAINTAINERS has been providing the hosting on his business server that he owns and the box it is on for FREE for a few years. But hosting your hobby site and your clients on the same box that gets 100GB traffic and 3 million page hits a month is starting to stretch the resources of 2-4 people.
Thanks for your concern and involvement.
Thanks, OSU. Go Beavers!
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I caught the Mountain Wumpus! He gave me his treasure chest ($100) to let him go free again.
Fundraise status
Start date:
14 hours 27 min ago
Received:
$6468 USD
Target:
$3000 USD
Last updated:
1 hours 24 min ago
No, it's really not a fair price. $2k will get you a 1U (assuming you pay by space, which is common at colos), 3Ghz P4, 2GB, 2x80GB SATA w/RAID controller, from Dell. Including 3 years of next-day on-site service. That's a pretty damn nice box; maybe you'd like to trade in 1GB of that RAM for a pair of 120's or 200's, but you get the idea. If that's not enough horsepower for an installation of drupal, some mailing lists, CVS/SVN repository, and a website...then something is wrong. Furthermore, much of Dell's rackmount boxes start at around $1K...and that's only if you need rackmount. If someone is offering up a shelf in a colo or their private datacenter and a minitower isn't a problem, $1k gets you an equally nicely-equipped system as the $2k rackmount I spec'd out above.
Oh, and three grand is also almost 3 years of $100/month hosting (which would be VERY steep hosting!)
A box full of a bunch of no-name, el-cheapo hardware isn't really going to cut it.
When you're an open-source community project, you take what you can get. If you're homeless, you don't whine about how the roof leaks in the house someone handed you keys to, and you don't go asking for $500,000 for a "nice house with some really nice carpets".
Please help metamoderate.
I find rather hard to think that Drupal is the leading CMS right now. I'm not setting a flamebait here only that I wanted to use a CMS and looked at the Drupal PHP code and it was really ugly (talk about php and html mix, no internationalization, etc).
I found the same hard-coded html, etc in Mamboserver.
I finally picked Typo3 although that was a little too complex for my needs.
I would really like something like Plone in the PHP world since PHP hosting is _everywhere_.
PS: Does anyone actually check these "leading" announcements ? Over 1000 users means leading or just the fact that some sites you visit ? Really.
"The Drupal community responded faster than we could imagine: in just 13 hours we raised over $6000 USD"
Wow, that was quick. Now whos gonna help me raise $3000 for my new G5 workstation I want?
that gets 100GB traffic
I don't know where drupal is hosting, but 100GB is not that much bandwidth if you're hosting in the U.S.
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A lot of "successful" sites seem to be hosted at OSL. But really, how successful are these sites if they can't even raise $3,000 for a new server (before posting on Slashdot)? And how would tuition-payers at Oregon State University feel about funding such a service (yes, yes, they would probably say "open-what?" but once you explain it...) There are a lot of benefits of making a business out of this software stuff.
Whenever you Google search and you see the distinctly '{Page Title}|{Web Site Name}' text pattern littered among the results, you can be sure that it's a drupal-powered site. Their number being quite a handful is an indicator of drupal's popularity among the web's denizens.
Have you tried eBay? GoodWill?
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That is just absurd. Your saying that if people cannot write their own CMS they shouldn't have a website? Some people spend less than 6 hours a day in front of a computer, does that entitle them to anything less on the internet?
Go troll somewhere, please.
Slashdot taught me how to use the preview button!
I know what you're saying but don't you think it would be a little like Ford giving their sales force vauxhalls as company cars ;)
If you don't know about it, then it's not you they are asking for money. I was ready to get out my credit card and make a donation, then I found they already have what they need. They got the donations so quickly (in less than 12 hours, it seems) because there are more than enough people who use, depend on and value the software.
It's a shame when a drag queen gets old and can no longer carry on the schtick. Winding up homeless though... Somebody should have told him to lay off the coke.
You make it seem as though Google cares for this project in some manner, I pointed out that they obviously aren't taking favourites here. This was that the people that wanted to work on Drupal projects came up with ideas that people at Google thought interesting.
If you want to call an apple an orange you're not going to have me agreeing with you, cause they're not the same.
Apology accepted, next time just skip the attempt at undermining my character and you won't need to apologise though.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
Touche. :)
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Bull. I used to write all of the code for my own website. It probably took me about a week of full-time-equivalent work, and it worked OK, but that's still a far cry from half an hour. Don't give me any of that crap about it being because you're a better programmer, either. I work on kernels and distributed systems for a living, and have done for over a decade. Web programming is something I do as a break from real work because it's so easy by comparison. Nonetheless, all you can get in half an hour is something that sucks. If you want something that's modular and maintainable, that takes more time. If you want something that's database-efficient, that takes more time...and flat-file-based systems are even worse so don't go there. If you want something that's standards-compliant, that takes more time...and your main page generated 130 errors when I ran it through the W3C validator. If you want it not to look like crap (again unlike your site) that takes more time. If you want to have features like markup in comments and comment preview, decent archive management, categories, and search (again unlike...) that takes more time. If you want to do all of those things and have it be secure, that takes more time; not knowing how to implement features securely is a poor excuse for having a low-functionality site. Do all that in under the week it took me, and I'll be impressed. So far, not even close.
My guess, based on your comment, is that you're another victim of the rewrite bug that often afflicts junior programmers. Writing code is not necessarily more efficient than reading other people's, but it is generally more fun so kiddies always want to rewrite everything in sight. What they end up with isn't usually any better, though. Most code that's written as an excuse not to understand something that already existed sucks far worse than what it replaces. That's why most of the people who roll their own website never even have the balls to make the result available for others to see. They know that it's a lot easier to claim superiority than to prove it.
That's the most offensive thing about your post, and why I went out of my way to be offensive right back. Sure, maybe you and I can (with varying degrees of success) write code to do the things that a typical weblog does, but why should we be the only ones to have sites? Why shouldn't high-school students and grandmothers have them too? Sure, most of what they write is crap, but so is most of what geeks write (including here). What purpose is served by having someone who might be able to contribute code in some other domain that you know nothing about have to learn your most treasured skills as the price of entry to the world of website ownership? What if their contribution is something other than code - like scientific knowledge or political insight? Aren't those valuable too? Thinking that everyone should value what you value is beyond elitist, and contrary to the spirit of free enterprise. It's just a crutch for insecurity, not a valid or useful attitude. It's almost as pathetic as posting fake-IQ-test results to your blog.
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$3000, eh?
Well, according to this, they're going to be receiving 11 * $500 = $5500 for participating in Google's Summer of Code.
So...
If you are the example of 'their targeted audience', then i hope they go under.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Maybe your offer just didn't meet their requirements. Maybe they have tax reasons. Maybe they just want to be near all of the Gentoo project machines at OSU.
:)
Could be many reasons for it, and if Drupal owns the hardware and has it hosted at an educational institution, it probably works out better for them.
So, what makes the parent "flamebait"? Doesn't modding it such just prove its point?
All they need to do is contact one of the many posters here who any time computer prices get mentioned always explain how they built their own computer for around $250 and it specs out better than a top of the line commercial one.
Well, it turns out, you're right. I went to his site and thought, "hmm, a blog system with comments and trackbacks, maybe he does have a point if he built this whole thing in 30 minutes." But then I tried his system. Anyone can add comments -- comment spam could (and probably eventually will) overrun his system. In addition, I was able to easily drop JavaScript code into the comments and it was executed! Of course, I only dropped in a harmless JavaScript alert, as I don't want to get in trouble for "hacking" a neophyte's crappy blog system.
But in any case, to the grandparent post: my God, man, you cannot build such a shoddy, terrible system, and then tout the benefits of reinventing the wheel. Your wheel is awful, and better people before you have built wheels that put yours to shame. Yours is bad enough to actually be dangerous. It's a black-hat's wet dream. SQL injection, code insertion, you don't even launder your input! I fear for your site and the server that hosts it.
A big difference between you an me is that at least I know that I am an A-grade arsehole.
But the bigger difference would be the 150 points by which my IQ exceeds yours.
Not every article on /. is directed at every reader. This one was directed at people who cared about Drupal. If that's not you, then newsflash, you don't have to bother going past the front page blurb. It's not anybody else's responsibility to dish out information to you on a silver platter. If you want more, seek it. If you don't, then go to the next article.
Just because it took you 30 minutes to make that site in frontpage or whatever means that people who take more time suck.
I'd like to see you come up with a GOOD database architecture (that alone will take more than 30 for anything decently sized/complex), stored procedures, MVC, custom components and assemblies, translating resources, making (and consuming) web services, writing all the code and contents. Heck, just coming up with a decent site structure, layout (on paper/in your head; then making it happen with CSS), making some basic graphics... That alone takes a lot of time. Now validate it all, test it, make it cross browser and everything... Or even doing some client & server side validation using regular expressions sure takes up more time than this. And we're not getting fancy yet either.
Even if you'r reusuing a lot of code, using templates, good frameworks and all, realistically, you can't make something good in that much time.
I don't use CMS'es either, but 30 minutes? Most (real) site development is measured in weeks or such.
Your sig is from Kant. See the end of The Critique of Practical Reason.
If you're interested in a quick video screen capture overview of Drupal, take a look at this Shockwave tutorial that I'm working on.
Ben in DC
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be moved by statistics" Oscar Wilde
No, you are wrong.
It is the responsibility of everyone to give me what I want, how I want it, and when I want it.
I am the only one that actually matters.
Back to the subject at hand, I was actually considering helping these people, until i got grief from the likes of you weirdos. I might even have paid off the bill entirely for them.
And to re-clarify, *I* am all that matters. And once the rest of you get that through your thick skulls your lives will be a lot happier.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Mini applications. Woopdeedoo
Try Plone and Zope. Try full blown applications
Try XMLRPC.
Just because CMS is the buzzword of the decade, doesn't mean everyone should use it to describe their glorified blogging software.
All of the Drupal websites were offline for about two days because of a server meltdown at the organization's hosting provider.
Nucular computers is bad, mm'kay! Don't support it. This is what happens, things melt down and people are left without homes.
Drupal is the leading open-source (written in PHP) content management system and is used to power tens of thousands of websites, blogs, community sites, etc. tens of thousands of websites makes you to call Drupal the leading open-source content management system? So... if a CMS powers more than 6,000,000 of sites, How do you call it? Any term OVER "leading" is accepted. There isn't any CMS project with more powered sites than PHP-Nuke (like it or not), that is a real reason to call a software LEADER, not just some miserable tens of thousands... give me a break!!! Need I so give you some more proofs? Take this!
Though I hadn't heard of Mambo before tonight I had done some sites using Drupal in the past. Nice but a pain to configure. Just curious how it is nowdays. I find Xoops (the engine behind perfectreign) to be very easy. Any recent experiences out there to compare?
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This guy sounds like a real expert on secure
web programming.
Maybe that's why there are Kevin Mitnick
heads snowing down his comments page .
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Care to elaborate?
"Two things inspire me to awe -- the starry heavens above and the moral universe within." - Albert Einstein
For those after a good content management system for their site (and can't be bothered to make their own) check OpenSourceCMS.com for live demo's of about two dozen open source CMS systems scripts.
Click "Portals (CMS)" in the crappy tree menu on the left and then each CMS has a demo link. Here is the Drupal demo (login: admin/demo).
They also have blog script demos up - such as Wordpress
Meltdown? What the fuck does that mean?
It's not a nuclear reactor, it's probably just a burned CPU which can be replaced in 10 min and at a very low cost.
Couldn't they tell the truth - "we're fed up with the old server and/or the hosting company"?
Well, whilst sourceforge is a great resource, it is a CMS and using it to host a CMS one has developed may give the impression than one's own CMS isn't up to the job.
At very least this may be their justification. Personally I'd have used sourceforge and hope users were with-it enough to understand why.
> Well, whilst sourceforge is a great resource, > it is a CMS and using it to host a CMS one has > developed may give the impression than one's > own CMS isn't up to the job. SourceForge.net is not a CMS (content management system). It provides the following services for open-source projects: Free website hosting Free file download hosting (powerful mirror net) CVS and more. It is *exactly* what they need. And it will not cost them a cent.
"Two things inspire me to awe -- the starry heavens above and the moral universe within." - Albert Einstein
I'm not making my point very well, I know exactly what SF is, but I imagine Drupal implements more than enough functionality to present itself, which is what I imagine they are after.
But yes, SF would give them everything they need with none of the headaches.
Yes, they could easily run Drupal on a website hosted on sourceforge. Either drupal.sf.net or drupal.org or whatever they want. Even if 100 MB would not be enough for them, they can negotiate better terms with SF if they can justify their such extra needs.
"Two things inspire me to awe -- the starry heavens above and the moral universe within." - Albert Einstein
I checked a few Drupal-based sites and they all seemed to use text/html as their content-type so it seems to be the default in Drupal. AFAIK Sending XHTML as text/html is harmful, so could someone please clarify why is a project as big as Drupal using it?
In fact it is not even in the top 10 of modern CMS. Check this for the list: http://www.opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=cont ent&task=view&id=388&Itemid=143
OSU Open Source Lab: Drupal's future home, here:
http://osuosl.org/
The list of project they already host is impressive:
http://osuosl.org/about/collaborators
A:.
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http://www.reuniting.info/
Intimate Relationships, peace and harmony in the couple.
http://www.masquilier.org/republic/election/ Condorcet, Plurality voting and alternative voting enabled bulletin board.
Oh, and I was curious what drupal was too, the slashdot link doesn't give much more info than that it's a CMS, and drupal.org is down (looks like they haven't installed the new hardware in time for slashdot).
Here's the wikipedia with link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drupal
Drupal is a content management framework, content management system and blogging engine which was originally written by Dries Buytaert and is the software used to power Debian Planet [1], Terminus1525 [2], Spread Firefox [3] and Kernel Trap [4], among others. Drupal is written in PHP using strict coding standards.
Drupal is the English spelling for the Dutch word 'druppel' which means 'drop'.
Though it started as a small bulletin board system, Drupal has become much more than just a news portal, thanks to its flexible architecture. Drupal has a basic layer, or core, which supports pluggable modules that enable additional behaviors. The modules available for Drupal provide a wide assortment of features, including e-commerce systems, workflow, photo galleries, mailing list management, and CVS integration. Drupal's taxonomy/classification module is especially interesting, in that it allows any content to be classified with a flexible tagging system.
Some of the more special roles that Drupal has filled include company intranets, online classrooms, art communities and project management. Many feel that Drupal's focus on user communities is what makes it stand out from its competition.
Welcome to Slashdot, where calling people "asshats" and then bragging about your uber-RAM-workstation gets you modded "Informative." ...sigh...
As a followup, here at the pix of the Sun hardware. http://osuosl.org/photos/drupal/view
Gah, TeamSite :'(
Horrible horrible CMS - Especially as most people publishing content with it don't understand a thing about HTML.