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Opera Embedding BitTorrent Client
Opera Watch writes "The next version of Opera, 8.02, will have an embedded BitTorrent client. Opera has released today a Technical Preview of this new version on its FTP directory, though they have made no official announcement as of yet."
So where's the torrent for Opera 8.02?
I predict a swarm of FireFox BT plug-ins within the next two weeks.
That's all good and fine, but do I really _want_ a bittorrent client embedded in my browser?
Now we just need apache with an embedded torrent generation/serving (or at least just serving; it'd be simpler to configure, that's for sure) for bulk static content. :)
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This is something I'd also like to see built into the next version of iTunes or iPodderX for getting Podcasts and the like (so as to reduce the bandwidth on shows I'm interested in listening to).
Of course, to make sure that Opera doesn't get sued for having a P2P network built into their client that could be used for copyright infringements, they need to add a note into their EULA that says something akin to "Don't steal music, or movies, or - just don't steal, OK? If you do, don't blame us. Thanks." to that their intent in supplying the technology is clear.
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The real problem with this move is that even though they have a sort of "first mover" advantage, Opera is at the mercy of the Firefox/Mozilla developers with regards to this feature. Some enterprising Open Source developer will be able to incorporate BitTorrent into the Firefox browser without much trouble, and then Opera, the only significant for-pay browser left, will turn back into an also-ran.
The key for Opera is to get into niches where they stand a chance, handheld computers and cellphones are one area they are very active in. Per-unit licensing for their browser on cellphones makes them a lot of money. I hope they do well into the future.
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It really is too bad Opera is choosing to charge for it's browser or force people to look at ads, or I'd look into downloading it. It's shaping up pretty good, but I've tweaked FireFox to block all ads... not just popups, all ads, so it would be shitty to have them back and built into the browser.
Any extensions for FireFox that connect to a BitTorrent client?
It'll be rather difficult to shut down Bittorrent if it's in Mozilla & Opera... where's the Mozilla integration already?
Best news I read all morning.
If it is anything like opera, it will be written in C/assembly. It would be nice to have an optmized version of bittorrent, however, too bad it is not open source.
Well, "milestone" is lofty, but this certainly does lend legtimacy to the software as a real tool just like, say, winzip or anything else that just does a job, and people use it for good and "bad".
Should make Opera look good too.
The underlying thing here that looks great for BT is that Opera must have done some due diligence and decided they were on good legal ground to embed the software... which may be seen as a green light for others to do the same.
There's nothing Intelligent about Intelligent Design.
Thanks to google's summer code we can hope to have a functional BitTorrent client built with XUL/XPCOM.
:-)
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Included in Firefox?
Check the Mozilla development projects that have been accepted for Google's Summer of Code program:
http://summer.mozdev.org/projects.html
And the MozillaZine news about it here:
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=
I may just have to switch browsers now. Unless Firefox comes out with a Torrent extension before the new Opera goes stable for my distro. FireTorrent, anyone?
Nothing to see here. Move along.
I predict that networking sites will be swamped by Opera users asking why their routers are crashing and what port-forwarding is, and how to set up their "new oprah download thingy lolbbq"
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Great, now MPAA/RIAA can go & ban Opera from US & ultimately ban Internet(s) in US.
Nice going, turds! Great idea to bundle P2P with Browser. Where's my kitchen sink-embedded browser?
These 'embedded' things always suck; like the IRC chat util in Mozilla, Download managers etc.
IANAL but wasnt their a precedent set in the US courts recently where a company could be held responsible for creating a tool that enables copyright infringement.
Crazy as this is, arent Opera just asking for trouble here? Surely the smart thing to do would be to have someone develop plugin that provided BitTorrent functionality. Opera doesnt have pockets as deep as most corps but they are deep enough to make them a target.
...that bittorrent the technology is not going away. In fact, it is a vastly superior method that should replace HTTP/FTP for most file downloads. There should be no more need to find mirrors, simply run it and let the program decide which sources are the faster. An integrated client will introduce a lot more people to it. Now, if they get consistantly better download performance perhaps you'll even see popular demand :)
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I see the advantages here and in other ways I see the disadvantages. In one way I'm excited at the thought of not having to run a seperate program to download a file using torrents. I even see that it might force other browsers to do the same (I'm betting we see a firefox addon in about a week). I could even picture a time when all webpages are sped up via torrents.
At the same time I'm worried about a browser doing too many things. I'm not going to start using opera just because it can handle torrents but if IE or Firefox starting doing it I would be rather happy. It's kinda like the various PlayStations playing Dvds when competing with a dreamcast or 64.
This also begs the question, will this help make torrents more mainstream? I know plenty of average people who have no idea what a "torrent" is. If more of the general public starts picking it up who knows what will happen with things like piracery.
Meh, just my thoughts.
I'm perfectly happy with Azureus. I doubt that the BitTorrent client integrated into Opera will be better.
This seems to be an unnecessary feature. I don't see myself using it over Azureus.
BitTorrent clients also tend to use up a lot of memory because of the nature of BitTorrent. Would this impact Opera's preformance as well?
So now when BT is found to be illegal because of the Grokster ruling, Opera will be liable too. Great!
Finally someone did this. I was waiting for one of the browsers to include it. Seems like a natural addition.
Well done to Opera for being first!
Regardless of your opinions on the situation...
With the recent "discovery" of a statement where Bram "encourages" piracy. Coupled with the Grokster ruling. Coupled with how we all know the court systems can work... just imagine what happens if the courts go kung fu on BitTorrent's ass in the near future, and Opera has all these "BitTorrent clients" floating around the internet. Could get messy.
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"a time when all webpages are sped up via torrents"
Explain to me how connecting to a tracker, then connecting to peers is going to be faster than a single connection to an http server.
"I know plenty of average people who have no idea what a "torrent" is."
Do you guys have regular meetings?
"piracery"
Rad.
I predict: 1) Terrific swarms of malware after the malware guys figure out an exploit. 2) Opera is sued out of existence by various and sundry copyright owners. Somehow it sounds like the sort of malware hole that IE would devise - a great backdoor for downloading gigabytes of malware slowly over time!
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...and use the Bit Torrent feature to download the keygen.
What a great way to see that they get banned from corporate desktops across the planet.
This will change Opera browser installs on enterprise systems to go from "officially not allowed but generally ignored" to "hunted down and killed at every opportunity".
Mathematically impossible requirements are technically not against policy.
Is "Opera vs FireFox" the new "vi vs emacs" ?
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For most people this will make fetching torrents a lot easier. Problem is ofcourse that most people are still using IE.
It wont make me switch back from Firefox (I used to use Opera), as I'm simply addicted too extensions. Plus I still haven't encountered a better bittorrent client than Azureus.
And as the rest of the people here say: I bet we will see a bittorrent extention for Firefox pretty soon. The wonders of competition. Security issues apart, this shows why a browser monopoly is just as bad as other monopolies.
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HTML is usually smaller than the bittorrent itself, so there would be no saving there, but for downloads and some images, it's a no-brainer.
Is the CEO going to swim around the world if there are 5,000,000 pirated downloads?
The ads are miniscule and not a bother to me at all. They aren't popups, just very small google adsense adverts embedded in the toolbar. Give it a try. It's not going to cost you anything but a few minutes of your time.
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Put open-source aside, isn't that kind of like bundling IE on Windoze, where you put in additional software on top of the original to add value?
Yay!
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Opera is like Emacs, though it's not too bloated... Opera has everything I need. Most of the features it has are hidden so they stay out of your way.
I'm currently testing this out (bittorrent downloading) and seems pretty nice. Torrent downloads appear as normal http downloads.
Way to go Opera!
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Adding a Bittorrent client to a browser doesn't seem like a good fit to me - a BT client needs to run continuously in the background, downloading and uploading the files.
A browser's model is more one of "load the thing and show it" or "Stream the thing and show it". How does that map to BT, where you cannot even "stream" a thing (since you are getting the pieces out of order)?
Will we see people who's torrent clients only serve the file while it is being downloaded, and then stops?
Personally, I run Torrentflux - which is a PHP CGI app that allows me to download & serve torrents on my server - then I just point my browser at it to set things up.
Now, *if* the browser plug-in then communicated with a [daemon|service|external program] that did the torrent work, and all the plug-in did was send the command to the external entity to command the queuing of the download (and then open a window in the browser when the download is done)- then that might make sense.
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I'd be more impressed if Oprah offered support for BitTorrent.
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Opera is a commercial company and with their relatively modest research and development budget they've come up with a fairly neat idea to incorporate BitTorrent into a web-browser. Now granted, it doesn't take a genuius to be able to put 2+2 together, afterall, one might see it as a simple extension of what web-browsers already provide. What slightly annoys me is comments like 'some enterprising firefox/mozilla will have this feature in a couple of weeks' - couple that with statements such as 'open source drives innovativation'. While I don't doubt either statement, this example is one where open source hasn't driven the innovation. It has helped (BitTorrent is open-source, without it Opera would have nothing). But then, if an Open Source browser developer just 'copies' this feature - where is the innovation? If open source really drove innovation, why didn't some bright OSS developer have the idea for such a feature sooner?
yes, please, cool .. now please give me the squid .torrent /htdocs/torrent directory ??? ...
bittorrent plug-in that will take over the
download if my browser goes thru it to a
file and maybe dump it into my local apache
what for? i can port-forward to one machine only
so it should be a server computer that everybody (on
LAN) can access
When I click on a torrent it already automaticly launches and starts. The BT installer is mean and lean, no worries there.
Won't this just mean one more thing for Opera to have to write/maintain/patch themselves?
Still a cool move, just... why?
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I'm for making it easier and more convenient to do stuff online. I hope Firefox gets a built in BT client too.Clever signature text goes here.
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If I were to use Tor and Privoxy together like I normally do for browsing (works great), will I be anonymous as I download torrents with Opera if I have my proxy configuration set up correctly? Being a privacy advocate, this is rather exciting for me. I have heard using Tor with Azureus overloads the servers making them less useful. I wonder if the Opera imbedded bittorrent will be better...
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... until Firefox-zealots make a half-working extension and claim FF to be the "firstest broswer EVAR witha BT-clietn!!!11"?
With Opera vs Firefox, each contender has many advantages; the argument could go on forever and in the end it's just a matter of taste, and of suitability for a particular role.
With vi vs emacs, it's a much more important issue that has thankfully already been settled by vi winning.
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You mean like Mozilla did with tabbed browsing and mouse gestures?
It's staggering how many of Firefox's "killer features" are nothing more than a rehash of Opera's.
And when IE 7.0 comes out all the new features will be lifted from Firefox, without so much as a non of thank you to Opera.
And yet I still use Firefox...
Damn. I'm part of the problem.
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http://moztorrent.mozdev.org/. Looks like the firefox extension is in the alpha stages.
feh. stuff.
Aside from the BT client (which seems to be working), this version of opera has, for the first time since the appearance their hideous skinning system, a native look on Linux. At least the menus look almost as a native KDE application. :)
at my job i tested opera on some of the 2 dozen sites we have to use, and it broke on more of them than IE or mozilla
this is just one step closer to the dream of webpages being served as torrents. Imagine the benefit to mid level, and non commercial websites. http://www.4chan.org/ comes to mind as a major benefactor.
First, you need Opera users.
Until then Opera vs Firefox just won't happen at a VI vs Emacs scale
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Bittorrent is great. Having it as part of the browser is great. But isn't it about time that the Bittorrent protocol become a W3C standard? Or is Bittorrent too hacky, and ill-suited to be a standard? If Bittorrent wants protection from IP litigators and large-scale adoption, this would help a lot.
I don't know about you, but when I click a link to a .torrent file, it pops up btdownloadgui... how is this any better?
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Another precedent being set for the LEGAL use of BitTorrent.
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Are there any bittorrent-aware NATs, or bittorrent NAT daemons, things of that nature?
Currently, I just ssh in to the NAT box and run bittorrent from there whenever I want to get something, but it would be great if there were some way the bt clients could speak for themselves: "Hey, NAT box, I want to torrent this file!" and have it set up all that's required automatically, no ssh, no manual port forwarding, etc
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How is this better than:
From the client side, it's pretty obvious that things are going to be much slower.
I can't see the bandwidth costs of running a tracker and serving up torrents being lower than the cost of just serving up the content over http.
there's more than one way to do me.
I hope the CEO swims across the atlantic ocean this time.
so it seems kget/konqueror isn't going to be the first browser to support bittorrent after all. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57591 I think it is a very nice feature to have. downloading from torrent feels almost the same to an end user as downloading from an ftp or http site. and it saves the hosting server a lot of bandwith. to bad microsoft won't support it natively in their webbrowser.
I don't think you understand what this is for. It is not for *ALL* web content. It is for links which are already .torrent files. Previously you had to first click them to download the torrent files, then open up a second application (which you previously had to download seperately) to fetch the actual file.
With this feature you can download the final file with a single mouse-click. This is easier than having to use two separate applications.
I'll probably be modded down for this...
I can see two problems with this.
The first is that bittorrent is not really a stable protocol. By which I mean, the protocol itself is still under active development. I could imagine in-browser bittorrent being great for about two weeks, then all of a sudden Azureus will come up with some kind of funny extension or the main Bittorrent team will come up with a better multi-root-tracker swarming mechanism or some such and all of a sudden the in-browser client won't work with any of the new torrents out there. That would get obnoxious.
The second is that web browsers are not stable. I mean, web browsers crash a lot. I expect a torrent to be running for hours and hours, becuase if it won't be going that long, well, it makes less sense for it to be torrented in the first place. Even the most stable web browser I've ever used, I'd be a little cautious to run bittorrent inside it because some afternoon I could be reading a site it doesn't like or something and I could crash two or three times, getting booted out of my hypothetical torrent each time, before that torrent finishes. I'd hope or wish there was some way to move the actual bittorrent downloading into a separate process, one that isn't effected by browser crashes, even if it's transparently "part of" the web browser from a GUI perspective. (Come to think of it, I kind of wish at times someone could make a web browser where every window got its own process space, or something, so one browser window could lock up or crash without effecting the others. Web browsers are practically OSes now, they might as well start acting like it.)
Other than these things it seems like a good idea.
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Just wait until someone can just create a link to a malicious gopher server, and own your machine.
Ah yes. The infamous "burrow" exploit.
Fortunately the exploit can be made inoperative by running the billmurrayd security daemon on your machine.
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> I dont' see why anyone would use a download service that's not bittorrent anymore
Corporate firewalls
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BitTorrent is by design a two-way connection-saturating medium-cpu-intense very-disk-and-RAM-intense process commonly employed for very large files and thus long stretches of time. Even on broadband connections it is necessary to exercise some choices and direct control so that using BT doesn't interfere with your other computer use, and if you happen to switch between different ISPs (AKA wireless notebook use) you will often have to deal with different BitTorrent policies and liabilities.
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Do they plan to integrate their own non-removable instant messenger any time soon?
I predict that in a month (err year?) Internet Explorer will support it and everybody will cry "that's not innovation!" and claime FireFox invented it.
Wouldn't that be amusing? BitTorrent support in IE. But what about Microsoft's Avalanche support?
If the downloads that people actually want are actually available in BitTorrent, and those other commie^Wterrorist browsers support BT; then would Microsoft cave to customer wishes and add BT support to IE? (similar to their "innovation" of adding tabbed browsing to IE 7?)
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Set up mime-type associations. I use torrentstorm still, even if it is out of development. I click on the link in FireFox, the torrent gets downloaded and then torrent storm pops up and adds the torrent to the list. Wonderful.
Blar.
It looks like Opera is just listening to the mozilla community, and implementing faster.
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..but I rather see that they fix their single-threaded Javascript implementation first. Like adding support for asynchronous callbacks from XMLHttpRequest and not waiting until a previous function has finished befor running the other function started by a different event handler.
:)
As an example: try adding onmouseover="do_some_stuff(this);" to 10 objects and let the do_some_stuff-function take one second to finish. Then quickly move your mousebutton over the the 10 objects and see Opera execute them in order, taking a total of 10 seconds to finish. All other non-ancient browser runs 10 do_some_stuff() in parallell.
Oh, and opacity on block-level elements would be nice also
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I have to say: Why didn't anyone think about this before? This is a needle sharp idea from the brains at Opera. I applaud them for it. Most BitTorrent clients already look like browser download windows to begin with. Integrating it like this is very very clever and will surely lower the threshold for using BitTorrent. It could be argued that this makes it harder for existing BitTorrent clients to compete. Time will show.
I've always wondered why noone bothered to create a firefox extension for bittorrent. I also have wondered about an extension for freenet. I kept expecting to one day be able to put freenet://whatever in the URL bar. Without that I've never even bothered to see what is there (which I understand isn't much anymore).
Funny for myself a former long time Opera user (used it from version 3.5 onward, until FF 1.0)I keep re-trying Opera, but already I am addicted to firefox features and functionality, and keep returning to Firefox.
A couple of times recently I thought I would give Opera yet another try, and I got frustrated with bookmarks both times.
First I was using it with folders on my bookmark toolbar. But when I tried middle clicking the bookmarks in folders nothing happened so I couldn't launch them in new tabs, like I can on firefox. Small thing but frustrating.
So a bit later I got into using the sidebar for bookmarks instead on Firefox, so I thought, hey this probably works on Opera. Yes now I can middle click to a new tab in Opera as well. Good. But the damn panel buttons are always there taking up space uselessly.... Grrrrrrr...
Even if it had worked to my liking, I think without extensions Opera is doomed. I love my gmail notifier, flash blocker, adblocker etc...
Opera still has some great advantages like true MDI interface and page linking. Ultra fast caching, but these are shrinking.
Integrated Torrent client... Yawn...
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I don't see any problem. The key to stability is keeping your OS clean.
I think the objection isn't that IE contains bloat so much as that IE is bloat. That is, the very existence of IE by itself constitutes bloat within the Windows operating system, goes the common complaint.
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People just bitched because they don't know how to forward a frickin port on a frickin router.
Most people I know don't know what the hell a router or a port is. (And not being English-speaking, many wouldn't understand "frickin" either).
With that said, Opera needs to add two features: download queuing (regular http/ftp downloads), and HTML support in Mail.
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I bet this turns out to be "Opera 8.02 available for download via bittorent" not "Opera 8.03 embeds bittorrent"
W3C does content format standards-- protocols are the IETF's area.
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maybe it would be a good idea to focus your efforts on a x64 binary. same goes for the mozilla foundation.
Now we just need a BT proxy!
Something like squid, but that would cache up fragments and manage the client/remote mapping so we don't have to punch holes in firewalls, etc.
What's the inherent advantage of an integrated client?
The client is integrated, therefore becomes as portable as Firefox on a flash drive. So I can now download torrents on machines I don't have administrator access on to install BitTorrent.
Most people you know are idiots.
Or at least that is how it is for the majority of cable and DSL subscribers out there. The idea of P2P is great and all but so long as the average upload speed is slower then the average download speed then performance will be lacking compared to a simple download.
Just look how Apple serves up movie trailers. They have their servers and the data is transparently mirrored in order to support massive concurrent downloads. Works great.
Instead of complicating things with P2P, why not create a "mirrored ftp" type protocol that ISPs could buffer. They could just monitor outgoing traffic for "mirrored ftp" requests and serve them from a local server if available - kind of like virtual memory. Bandwidth from the ISP to the home user is cheap for the ISP, it's the traffic leaving the ISPs network that costs them money. As such, they would have great incentive to provide a "buffered ftp" server for their users.
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But I was speaking in a more general sense. Opera may have been the first to integrate this feature by default, but they definitely won't be the last.
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self-identify itself as being from Microsoft, like the browser says it's IE?
I predict even smaller market share as a result, if so.
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this is an old idea, microsof windows already uses BITS for its windowsupdate service.
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1. if I am not mistaken, the size of a .torrent file is a function of the number of users sharing that file.
2. torrents take a while to get started.
for those two reasons, http is way more efficient for small files such as images and html pages.
what's the point in downloading a 30K torrent, connecting to peers, and than getting a 10K jpg?
torrent is efficient for large files, where the relatively constant overhead becomes irrelevant.
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Some rumours persist that 'Web Suite' software will also support IMAP, POP3, SMTP and even gopher protocols.
In addition, new protocols like klik:// irc:// and magnet links can be added by users.
The torrent:// is a protocol. They implement it. Now you can download files using that protocol.
To call this revolutionary, no. To call it, well, about time, Yes.
I think it took a while for 'torrent' to fulyl saturate peoples conscience as 'just another way to move bits around, hence copy files'.
My irk is, torrents and P2P tend to choke your network, even at low speeds, because of the swarming of threads, maybe it is just my antique w2k circa 1998 stack that cannot handle such modern crazy stuff.
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how feasible would it be to extend http/html to make use of torrents?
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not all the useful for lightweight sites..
but on a site with low bandwidth and/or large static content (large images, movies, music files), integrating torrent as an alternate transport could faciliate faster downloads. (and potentially protect sites against overload due to being
e.g. website hosts intriguing image or popular movie trailer, visiters to the site share the content they're currently viewing with other visiters to allow faster downloads. (will require torrent-HTML enabled browser and website)
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See, the thing with HTTP is that it is bi-directional. Now, if we could have bi-directional torrents - as in, up-loading AND downloading, then there could concievably (stretching it a bit) be sites that could operate solely as torrents.
This is especially true since a lot of people download the same web page, but not everyone would generate the same request for the website at the sam e time for the simple reason that people take different times to read and respond to the content on a web page. Hence, if a 2 way torrent was possible, you could probably operate a site just fine using only torrents.
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I think this is where there are differences. First, I have yet to see a useful extension that could not be replicated for any browser via another helper program or userjs or whatever.
Second, what I do see is the possibility of exploits for extensions same as BHOs in IE.
Third, I see many people having popular extensions break when they upgrade.
For me, extensions seem to be far more a hassle than they are worth. And as far as I can tell, there are enough people out there who feel the same to make Opera profitable. And that, not market share, is what matters to me as an Opera user.
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Somehow, that sounds like a weird fetish?
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-> embed everything vs. keep stuff in pieces debate.
Heck, I am a Linux man and to keep it on topic, I use a separate download manager anyway. I just like the whole philosophy of do one thing and do it well and let other applications that need that functionality just use you, versus the "I'm an app and I need to do everything even though there are applications that do it better" approach.
But hey, we can get caught in an endless discussion over this. It boils down to personal preference finally. So I would ask the Opera users what they think of a feature like this, as opposed to say, Firefox which just lets you choose which client to use.
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The best thing about opera when it started was its leanness. It fit on a floppy and was nothing but a fast browser. The best thing about firefox is that its just the browser.. lean and fast and small from the monolith Mozilla, the brontosaurus of browsers.
I actually went back to opera from firefox simply because I wanted more standards compliance, speed, less size and more simplicity. The ONLY feature on top of the browser that I use is the mouse gestures.
Now they're adding a bittorrent client, next they'll add email and IRC clients, next yahoo and msn messengers and throw in an HTML editor too while youre at it. Before you know it, it wont fit on a CD and another company that just makes browsers will take the market.
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Nobody ever claimed it as a "feature", in fact some big upgrades are being worked on for version 1.1. Adding a bittorrent client just for updates would be unnecessary bloat.
http://wiki.mozilla.org/Software_Update
Sure, you're all thrilled to death that Opera is including BitTorrent in its next release... comments of praise and "this should have been done earlier" abound.
/. crowd has to say in 1-2 years when BitTorrent becomes part of Windows OS or IE, just as FTP is today.
But let's see what the
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Extensions are a bonus rather than a pain for me. Firefox is perfectly usable without extensions if they are that much of a bother, they are strictly a bonus.
Notice I mentioned interface issues with bookmark bar deficience and sidebar ugliness and wastefullness. Is there a cure for either?
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Look at all the wasted space for the side panel buttons on the Opera side panel (left) for some reason not getting favicons either.
I vastly prefer the better use of space on firefox sidebar, the favicons and the hierachical view. (opera only shows the current directory level)
I was a longtime user and I still try every version of Opera, but I never find a reason to go back and I keep finding more reasons to use firefox every day.
I don't know about this "Bit-Torrent" stuff, but I do know about Opera!
:)
I have been a long-time 'fan' of it, mainly because of its 'tweakability' & sheer speed vs. all other browsers in tests I have seen run online comparing web-browser speeds!
(and it's noticeable in daily usage vs. say, IE &/or FireFox).
Great stuff!
Best browser out there imo, bar-none.
(YES, even over FireFox (which I do like, & especially because of its extensibility via the 3rd party XUL add-on development community it has - this is the 1 thing it has on Opera imo, but that's it)).
Oh, sure:
You could say, FireFox is FREE, & Opera's not... but, I'd just tell you that Opera's worth every penny it's charged for imo!
* It's multiplatform, fast, & tweakable as all get-out... my personal "Weapon-of-Choice" out online. If you have never tried it? Do! You may be pleasantly surprised!
APK
P.S.=> It also seems to be less susceptible to the online bugs plaguing BOTH IE &/or FireFox lately, but then, it could be because it presents less of a target too (alot like how Linux &/or MacOS X (or even Os/2 for instance) are used less then Windows 2000/XP/2003 Server are)... same idea could be why, but... I think it's because of the quality of the people who build it!
"They don't make no junk"... apk
Oh wait. I get it.
Do you know all those comments you read about the web, where users grouse that "Client X breaks my web browser"?
Well, if the Opera browser is handling both the web pages and the torrents, then it can give selective priority to the HTTP traffic, compensating by automatically scaling back the number of BitTorrent packets sent or acknowledged.
Advanced users can tweak their BitTorrent clients already to achieve this, but with the Opera browser, it will happen transparently, without user intervention. Very nice.
(Of course, if this was not the intention of the programmers at Opera, they can always thank me for the idea later.)
When you allow for the likely inefficiency of allocation of IPv6 network addresses, there will likely only be about 10,000 available addresses per square meter of the earth's surface. (Source: Principles of Network and System Administration, ISBN 0-470-86807-4, p. 68.)
Clearly this is better than NAT, but it is no panacea.
One of my major issues with having an IRC client or mail client or (in the future) a BT client is that inadvertently I end up closing the browser window and lose all the transfers that were going on. There are settings that disable this kind of inadvertent closing but my zombie like mind ends up putting the tick in the "don't ask me this again" box too. yecchhhh! I hope they fix this.
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right after the release of Opera 8.0 and a few hours afterwards, opera.com was down due to excessive bandwidth. eventually they had to strip their web page and provide a link to mirrors. integrating a bittorrent client could be a result from this, or just an innovative way to autoupdate new (major) versions in the future
Others features I'd like to see in Opera would be added functionality to the download manager(perhaps search for mirrors), a drag and drop FTP and SFTP/SCP client.
>Opera is not a US company and thus is not
.no from the root and the nordic quislings will quickly smarten up.
>subject to rulings by the US Supreme Court.
Iraq is not part of the USA and thus is not subject to decisions by the american government...
Opera = Saddam = caught with its pants down
The might of the US business-political leadership is unlimited, they are the only superpower in the world and noone can afford to piss them off. Look how Europe is struggling, Japan is in stagnation and China is too weak militarily. USA is the 400 pound gorilla.
If USA decides Opera must die, it will happen, period. Remember the DNS 13 remains in US hands. They will simply remove
Did you know Norway's territorial waters are under exclusive US control? US Navy uses it as patrol area of the Ohio class nuclear missile submarines which aim to level Moscow and Leningrad.
Norway is the most obedient servant of Uncle Sam in Europe, they are eminent NATO pupils and they would be scared to death by the thought of pissing off any of Dubya's regular dinner guests. Remember the russkies are there right across their border.
I'd say Opera will fold within 6 months if they do this Torrent madness.
Otherwise, Opera browsers identify themselves as IE-something to webservers, which gives M$ a good excuse to hit them with a gazillion USD lawsut or just make sure Opera will not install or run on Windows, a nice side effect after you install some monthly MS security patch. It's Bill Gates's god given right. You should be smart enough not to mess with the 40 billion pound sterling gorilla.
You can find links to the torrents for this release in the Forum.
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Opera has an official torrent for this release available right here.
In God We Trust, Others We Monitor
Seems like a damn good idea for the major browsers such as opera and firefox to embrace bittorrent as a legitimate protocol like this, as it gives makers of bittorrent clients something to point at when someone like the mpaa tries to get them chucked in a gulag for daring to create a program that could be used to download pirated material.
Once something is popular enough that it's being accepted into the browsers, it makes it very hard for people to argue against it.
I worded that all really badly (too much coffee) but I hope people understand my point.
How much more seamless can we make it?
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