Well it says at the top, but you are right on the part. But hey, if their parser don't care, then it don't matter much to them anyway.
You would think that the people to came up with all this fancy DML stuff would actually want to create valid XML, but maybe they know something we don't.
For example, that might be valid under the spec because it could be interpreted as . Doubtful though.
It is a personal belief of mine that all of the tools and config files of Linux distros should be upgraded. For example, all config files should be XML, and tools should be easier to use.
This Athena OS takes this idea and makes an attempt in doing it. However, it simply is not gonna work because if does not have the 'charisma' to succeed. It is already getting bashed with the first posts on Slashdot.
My major technical qualm is with DML. This effort parallels the XPFE (XML,JS,CSS) GUI framework that is used in Mozilla. It would be so much better to use this Mozilla technology because it has a better chance of succeeding (ask me if you want some reasons).
Anyway, life goes on, and maybe something else that is better will crop up soon.
The only way to find out is to download it and give it a try yourself. Of course it works, but it may or may not appeal to you.
In my opinion, it works better then Netscape 4.x, so if you have used that, you should expect more. There is one exceptions, Mozilla will run poorly on machines with not very much memory. Realistically, you should have 128 meg.
People don't realize that Mozilla is built for the future. In a year or so, the 'bloat' won't be an issue anymore because more people will have better hardware. In a couple of years, Mozilla will probably launch as fast as Netscape 1 did.
To top it off, I expect the Mozilla codebase to last for several years, if not more. No joke because we are reaching the peak of HTML, XML, DOM feature saturation for web browsers. There is only so much more we can add, therefore Mozilla will never really get outdated.
Yes, it really works, and will be working well for a long time.
Yes, that is a valid point but there is not much that could be done about it. We have to move forward on standards support, and even Microsoft is making similar efforts as Mozilla now, from what I have read.
Basically it took 2 years for people to get their DHTML techniques down so they worked well in both IE and Netscape. Doing this is no joke.
Soon you will see updated techniques on how to do most of what could be done before while still making Mozilla/Netscape 6 happy.
However, if you want to go all the way with your DHTML, use Mozilla/Netscape 6. All you have to do it look at the w3 specs, and most of it will work.
Someday everyone will be using a standards-compliant browser, but unfortunately it will be a couple of years at least. Too bad we have to wait.
Maybe we should all start putting those old "Netscape Now!" and "Upgrade to Netscape X.X" buttons on our web pages again to get people to upgrade. Way back when those were effective because it really was not that hard to download and upgrade. The same is now here today now that lots of people are getting fast connections so they can install Netscape 6 with ease.
Excellent point. I never really thought about XHTML that way, but I think you are wrong.
Really, the main point of XHTML is that is should be produced by editors and XSLT stylesheets (reformatting other XML into XHTML).
However, producing a conformant XHTML document by hand is really not that much harder than regular. Plus, whatever XML viewer you are using is going to give you very SPECIFIC error feedback.
This kind of feedback was not possible before because bad HTML is very ambiguous. Bad XHTML is very easy to pick out by the parser.
So, in the end, I think that coding by XHTML will make your job easier.
I have always thought that audio ads were going to take over. There would be embedded sound files in web pages that would play while you read.
You say, 'sure, people can just turn off their audio', but finally audio feedback is important from a computer so you can't turn it off without missing something.
The same goes for JavaScript, as people were mentioning above. JavaScript is necessary anymore.
At any rate, the browsers should add in features to turn off ads, but that won't happen. The Internet survives in a large part off of ad revenue. If everyone turned off the ads, there would be big problems.
I cannot believe Slashdot posted this lame question.
Why would Be want to do this? Their business plan is based on SELLING their software. Open sourcing their software might as well mean "we are closing shop".
The difference between Be and the Linux companies is that Be is based on selling a product, and the others are based on selling services.
BeOS will probably never, ever be opened. The technology would get bought before that happened.
BTW, be has open-sourced the BeOS front-end at opentracker.org.
Did I miss something from this article, or does it not say how Linux is going to save MS?
Sure, MS may lose market share, but that surely does not mean they are going to die off or something.
Looks like another fancy, but irrelevant headline to me.
Also, if there is a MS Linux, they will likely try to mask it as another.NET product before making it obvious to newcomers that it is in fact Linux underneath.
Microsoft.NET Server, or something like that, would be a likely name.
The thing that is always overlooked about Mozilla (and Netscape 6 even) that is it built to run on MODERN computers. These benchmarks are on an AMD K6-2, and to be honest, that is outdated hardware when it comes to new software.
People do not seriously complain about the next Quake not running well on their old computer, and people are just going to have to face the fact that Mozilla is not designed to run well on those old machines too.
Mozilla is a cutting edge piece of software that will also be the foundation for new, cutting-edge, cross-platform applications. Let me say that again: Mozilla is going to be a software platform! That is futuristic stuff, and if Moore's law holds up, Mozilla's "bloat" will not matter anymore real soon.
IE might have locked up today's P!!!s, but the next generation of PCs is all open, whether it comes to web browsers, or OSes.
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FreeBSD 4.2 has a security level setting (during installation), and if you set it above normal (default), X will not run.
IMHO, this is about all that can be done. X = security problems, no matter what.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xslt/ has an installer, but they indicate that the 'binaries' are out of date.
Try rolling your own Mozilla build... the instructions are there, and if you have a fast connection. It is a good learning experience too.
Here is an article about a PPC motherboard product called RioRed.
The company is called SiliconFruit, and this board seems like vapor. However, it is still a very interesting read about their ambitions.
I have to admit that this is funny. Sorry.
Well it says at the top, but you are right on the part. But hey, if their parser don't care, then it don't matter much to them anyway.
You would think that the people to came up with all this fancy DML stuff would actually want to create valid XML, but maybe they know something we don't.
For example, that might be valid under the spec because it could be interpreted as . Doubtful though.
You are dumb and lazy. They have DML examples on their website. It's XML.
It is a personal belief of mine that all of the tools and config files of Linux distros should be upgraded. For example, all config files should be XML, and tools should be easier to use.
This Athena OS takes this idea and makes an attempt in doing it. However, it simply is not gonna work because if does not have the 'charisma' to succeed. It is already getting bashed with the first posts on Slashdot.
My major technical qualm is with DML. This effort parallels the XPFE (XML,JS,CSS) GUI framework that is used in Mozilla. It would be so much better to use this Mozilla technology because it has a better chance of succeeding (ask me if you want some reasons).
Anyway, life goes on, and maybe something else that is better will crop up soon.
(assuming that you are not gay)
Do you have a girlfriend, or at least an interest in some girl you know?
If not, then what type of girl are you looking for? Would she have to be a nerd too?
The only way to find out is to download it and give it a try yourself. Of course it works, but it may or may not appeal to you.
In my opinion, it works better then Netscape 4.x, so if you have used that, you should expect more. There is one exceptions, Mozilla will run poorly on machines with not very much memory. Realistically, you should have 128 meg.
People don't realize that Mozilla is built for the future. In a year or so, the 'bloat' won't be an issue anymore because more people will have better hardware. In a couple of years, Mozilla will probably launch as fast as Netscape 1 did.
To top it off, I expect the Mozilla codebase to last for several years, if not more. No joke because we are reaching the peak of HTML, XML, DOM feature saturation for web browsers. There is only so much more we can add, therefore Mozilla will never really get outdated.
Yes, it really works, and will be working well for a long time.
Yes, that is a valid point but there is not much that could be done about it. We have to move forward on standards support, and even Microsoft is making similar efforts as Mozilla now, from what I have read.
Basically it took 2 years for people to get their DHTML techniques down so they worked well in both IE and Netscape. Doing this is no joke.
Soon you will see updated techniques on how to do most of what could be done before while still making Mozilla/Netscape 6 happy.
However, if you want to go all the way with your DHTML, use Mozilla/Netscape 6. All you have to do it look at the w3 specs, and most of it will work.
Someday everyone will be using a standards-compliant browser, but unfortunately it will be a couple of years at least. Too bad we have to wait.
Maybe we should all start putting those old "Netscape Now!" and "Upgrade to Netscape X.X" buttons on our web pages again to get people to upgrade. Way back when those were effective because it really was not that hard to download and upgrade. The same is now here today now that lots of people are getting fast connections so they can install Netscape 6 with ease.
Excellent point. I never really thought about XHTML that way, but I think you are wrong.
Really, the main point of XHTML is that is should be produced by editors and XSLT stylesheets (reformatting other XML into XHTML).
However, producing a conformant XHTML document by hand is really not that much harder than regular. Plus, whatever XML viewer you are using is going to give you very SPECIFIC error feedback.
This kind of feedback was not possible before because bad HTML is very ambiguous. Bad XHTML is very easy to pick out by the parser.
So, in the end, I think that coding by XHTML will make your job easier.
Dude, you are missing the point. There are no audio ads that I have run across (except for Real Audio)
;-)
If there were some on Slashdot, would you still come here?
(However, I might not come here anymore if there were audio ads for the SlashDot Cruiser
I have always thought that audio ads were going to take over. There would be embedded sound files in web pages that would play while you read.
You say, 'sure, people can just turn off their audio', but finally audio feedback is important from a computer so you can't turn it off without missing something.
The same goes for JavaScript, as people were mentioning above. JavaScript is necessary anymore.
At any rate, the browsers should add in features to turn off ads, but that won't happen. The Internet survives in a large part off of ad revenue. If everyone turned off the ads, there would be big problems.
Advertizers can go too far though...
I cannot believe Slashdot posted this lame question.
Why would Be want to do this? Their business plan is based on SELLING their software. Open sourcing their software might as well mean "we are closing shop".
The difference between Be and the Linux companies is that Be is based on selling a product, and the others are based on selling services.
BeOS will probably never, ever be opened. The technology would get bought before that happened.
BTW, be has open-sourced the BeOS front-end at opentracker.org.
The Jabber instant-messager uses this format too.
Check it out at jabber.org
You forgot about Mac OS X
;-P
Did I miss something from this article, or does it not say how Linux is going to save MS?
.NET product before making it obvious to newcomers that it is in fact Linux underneath.
.NET Server, or something like that, would be a likely name.
Sure, MS may lose market share, but that surely does not mean they are going to die off or something.
Looks like another fancy, but irrelevant headline to me.
Also, if there is a MS Linux, they will likely try to mask it as another
Microsoft
How long before I can make one myself?
Maybe HP will come out with a NanoJet product in a few years so I can do this.
It would be so useful to the average consumer.
I have about 50 floppies with random stuff on them. According to their methodologies, my data is one step towards being secure.
...until one of those floppies dies. Then I will sorely miss that unknown data.
I know that in the upcoming Whistler (next version of Windows) there will be a choice to use either their new webified GUI, or the old.
I bet 90% or more of the users will still use the old GUI design. It looks better, and is more functional.
What this means, I don't know.
Does KDE run well on the BSDs?
I would just like to add to this:
The overall goal of using XML is to separate content from presentation as much as possible.
There are two types of stylesheets: CSS and XSL.
Right now you can use both of these in IE5 and Mozilla, with XSLT support in a special M18 release build.
But did you gain anything from it? I really doubt it.
The only real benefit of XHTML is support for XML parsers and namespaces.
That means an XML parser can read XHTML, and XHTML can have other types of XML inside of it.
Right now it is not that useful. I am sure it will be in the future.
Linux is making huge advances with embedded devices. Will OpenBSD (or any BSD) try to keep up with Linux there?
Also, does new security advances, like an encrypted swap file, slow down performance significantly?
The thing that is always overlooked about Mozilla (and Netscape 6 even) that is it built to run on MODERN computers. These benchmarks are on an AMD K6-2, and to be honest, that is outdated hardware when it comes to new software.
People do not seriously complain about the next Quake not running well on their old computer, and people are just going to have to face the fact that Mozilla is not designed to run well on those old machines too.
Mozilla is a cutting edge piece of software that will also be the foundation for new, cutting-edge, cross-platform applications. Let me say that again: Mozilla is going to be a software platform! That is futuristic stuff, and if Moore's law holds up, Mozilla's "bloat" will not matter anymore real soon.
IE might have locked up today's P!!!s, but the next generation of PCs is all open, whether it comes to web browsers, or OSes.