Perhaps this will be a troll, but, no marketing does not work. Marketing is an "effect" or an "overhang".
Marketing is the after work "beer time" of real work. Its the laughs, bimbos, bars and meaningless flings and casual sex of Real Work and Real IT. Its good to have, but it doesn't get the "work" done.
Example? Look at your marketing team. Cute Young Things. Bimbos and Airheads. Pretty and Gay. Even the guys. Perhaps the guys are honest about it.
Project management is the same. It is the "cant do's", the "list builders" and "managers" and "lets have a meeting" types. Are there any true devs here who are "project managers"?..... I did it once. For 5 years. I had "earned" a PMI/PMP. It was the flakiest bullshit I ever wasted my time on. I resigned by just walking out. As a solid IT nerd I have never been in such a rich environment of Wank Word Bingo.
So, yes, they are loathed, because on the ground, where the rubber meats the road, a Marketing Girl or PMI - on their own grit - starves, where a real dev gets paid, or on to the next project.
Sorry for my hostility, but I now after 18 years in the IT gig despise those who claim their jobs are a necessity just because they hang onto the coat tails of others.
AC, I agree with what you say. I loooove a good LAN party and was doin' Doom and Hexen from day dot. I've never lost the spirit and I play 2hrs a day and I'm 40... but I really do love games. I just hate I calling something like COD "social" because some dude uses his mike to spew profanities.
Not saying "old" was good, but it certainly did have more of a fun angle to it rather than a competitive edge. The "kids" these days are all strung out and stressed. It would be awesome to get back to the fun of earlier more simple games where real teamwork mattered.
BTW, I'm not deliberately trolling, but I was on COD and the teamwork is zero. That isn't social.
If I want to socialize I'll go to the pub or the park. I suspect Mr Exec is more interested in the endless monthly fees they can gouge from players. These guys arent gamers, they are business zombies who contantly moan like the undead itself.
what really interests me is this... the DNS that I remember of "old" WAS free, and it worked with a bunch of very simple rules. It was when commercial interests came into it (i.e pay to register) did all this shenanigans begin.
I'm not that old (40) to remember what systems were in place, using honour and integrity, that made it work. Sometimes this whole internet thing is getting me down.
Too many conflicts of interest. Seems the lawyers and MBAs are the ones making the money, not the creators. Shame.
I have seen this as absolutely inevitable for about 10 years now.
Admittedly, I am an old warhorse and remember registering domains for free with a guy who kept the whole root under his desk at Uni (Robert Ells, Uni Melbourne, Aust). Then the evil MelbourneIT took it over, screwed everyone and commercialised a public resource.
I used to, in 1996, use AltDNS which is sort of what is proposed now. It failed, but the actions of government have shown we need a better DNS that is not subject to the actions of a single government. (e.g. dot com is a very bad idea!... why isnt each countries own root dotcom dependant on geo!
I can see the outrage and the dishonesty, but I admit, even after a few hours after my first post and thinking it through, that I can't see the actual "fraud". They bought a ticket to put a fans bum on a seat and that's what is done.
If they had stolen the ticket, or used a hacked botnet or fake credit cards, then these are a whole range of other crimes.
To have simply purchased a whole bunch of tickets as John Doe's from a company that was selling them, may perhaps be a breach of contract... A CIVIL tort, but a criminal one?..
Perhaps this is one for my "does not get" list.
Exactly. I'm a trader and build it systems that gain advantage from sub second arbitrage. I don't get what these guys did was wrong? Tickets are for sale, they bought them and offered them at a market price.
I don't get it. They owned the servers and they wrote up a product just like google, goldman Sachs and a hundred others.
What a monstrous pile of drivel. Pages and pages of confused circular talk couched in language so broad you could apply it to anything you want.
It's insane when a patent is awarded for something like this, when it was designed for a lightbulb, or an electric motor or gunpowder, but this pseudo-IT-speak is dreadful. I would say the lawyer who wrote it didn't know what the Internet was or how it operates.
Bloody American patent system
Oscommerce is no better, really. It has an incredibly irritating mix of OO and procedural php, a mash of templates and bizarre attempts at MVC and some code in the core procedures that is replicated 4 times for identical outputs.
A very high WTF ratio on this one.
I have spent the best part of a month getting it into shape.
Re databases, the guys who designed it sure do love their normalisation!
A dangerous chemical, to be sure. But, my friend, I would try to have a more open mind as to exactly what this is before believing hastily compiled reports exhorting grim assessments of "full testing had not been completed" and "initial indications".
Perhaps, we might also want to get the real source or *motive* of the sender?
These comments are getting off track of the thread though.
Security doesn't reduce your stupidity. Nor does paranoia increase your security.
Check the USA today. Post a toner cartridge and the whole country shuts down.
QED.
(Bet the guys at newegg are looking at their policy on combo parts shipments.)
(Apologies to the nice Americans here)
Ozzie here. I swear I have been having more trouble with my email since I've begun encrypting everything. I'd swear these Gestapo bastards are using these laws retrospectively and have been forcing ISPs to do this for some time.
I am ashamed to be an Australian.
Every year we take a step closer to the steep cliff of tyranny.
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Perhaps this will be a troll, but, no marketing does not work. Marketing is an "effect" or an "overhang".
Marketing is the after work "beer time" of real work. Its the laughs, bimbos, bars and meaningless flings and casual sex of Real Work and Real IT. Its good to have, but it doesn't get the "work" done.
Example? Look at your marketing team. Cute Young Things. Bimbos and Airheads. Pretty and Gay. Even the guys. Perhaps the guys are honest about it.
Project management is the same. It is the "cant do's", the "list builders" and "managers" and "lets have a meeting" types. Are there any true devs here who are "project managers"?..... I did it once. For 5 years. I had "earned" a PMI/PMP. It was the flakiest bullshit I ever wasted my time on. I resigned by just walking out. As a solid IT nerd I have never been in such a rich environment of Wank Word Bingo.
So, yes, they are loathed, because on the ground, where the rubber meats the road, a Marketing Girl or PMI - on their own grit - starves, where a real dev gets paid, or on to the next project.
Sorry for my hostility, but I now after 18 years in the IT gig despise those who claim their jobs are a necessity just because they hang onto the coat tails of others.
Yahoo? they still exist? I remember them in 1996 and they were big, but I assume they went broke/bust/irrelevant/trivial/unneeded in 1990.
Seriously, these guys should have dies 5 years ago.
AC, I agree with what you say. I loooove a good LAN party and was doin' Doom and Hexen from day dot. I've never lost the spirit and I play 2hrs a day and I'm 40... but I really do love games. I just hate I calling something like COD "social" because some dude uses his mike to spew profanities.
Not saying "old" was good, but it certainly did have more of a fun angle to it rather than a competitive edge. The "kids" these days are all strung out and stressed. It would be awesome to get back to the fun of earlier more simple games where real teamwork mattered.
BTW, I'm not deliberately trolling, but I was on COD and the teamwork is zero. That isn't social.
If I want to socialize I'll go to the pub or the park. I suspect Mr Exec is more interested in the endless monthly fees they can gouge from players. These guys arent gamers, they are business zombies who contantly moan like the undead itself.
our wider enemy is now also AVG who claim LOIC is a threat.
you sir, are a complete and total fucking idiot.
what really interests me is this... the DNS that I remember of "old" WAS free, and it worked with a bunch of very simple rules. It was when commercial interests came into it (i.e pay to register) did all this shenanigans begin.
I'm not that old (40) to remember what systems were in place, using honour and integrity, that made it work. Sometimes this whole internet thing is getting me down.
Too many conflicts of interest. Seems the lawyers and MBAs are the ones making the money, not the creators. Shame.
I have seen this as absolutely inevitable for about 10 years now.
Admittedly, I am an old warhorse and remember registering domains for free with a guy who kept the whole root under his desk at Uni (Robert Ells, Uni Melbourne, Aust). Then the evil MelbourneIT took it over, screwed everyone and commercialised a public resource.
I used to, in 1996, use AltDNS which is sort of what is proposed now. It failed, but the actions of government have shown we need a better DNS that is not subject to the actions of a single government. (e.g. dot com is a very bad idea!... why isnt each countries own root dotcom dependant on geo!
An alternative DNS is definitely on the cards.
For 17 years I have felt com was an awful mistake.
I can see the outrage and the dishonesty, but I admit, even after a few hours after my first post and thinking it through, that I can't see the actual "fraud". They bought a ticket to put a fans bum on a seat and that's what is done. If they had stolen the ticket, or used a hacked botnet or fake credit cards, then these are a whole range of other crimes. To have simply purchased a whole bunch of tickets as John Doe's from a company that was selling them, may perhaps be a breach of contract... A CIVIL tort, but a criminal one?.. Perhaps this is one for my "does not get" list.
Business pays taxes even on these resales. If they were skipping on taxes their problems would be considerably worse.
Exactly. I'm a trader and build it systems that gain advantage from sub second arbitrage. I don't get what these guys did was wrong? Tickets are for sale, they bought them and offered them at a market price.
I don't get it. They owned the servers and they wrote up a product just like google, goldman Sachs and a hundred others.
Bingo!
The kids may like them, but the writing style of the Harry potter books is horrendous. Pick any page and it makes me despair.
Perhaps you wern't prepared to grab another mans dude, and being in the forces, I can understand this, but I just want to fly to another city.
Probability of another "shoe" bomber or "underpsants" guy? Zero. 50 million enfordlements? priceless.
Friend, how long do you think it will be before they are doing this for buses and trains? Tracking your car and its movements?
The USA *was* a great country. You have but lost your way and maybe this sharp slap will remind its PEOPLE as to WHY the constitution was written.
At least the RIAA and MPAA are not grabbing my penis, fondling my beasts or rubbing their hands all over children yet.
This airport theatre is OBSCENE, ethically and morally wrong on EVERY level.
Those who are able to justify it makes me think they are unhinged.
wooden stakes and holy water?
What a monstrous pile of drivel. Pages and pages of confused circular talk couched in language so broad you could apply it to anything you want. It's insane when a patent is awarded for something like this, when it was designed for a lightbulb, or an electric motor or gunpowder, but this pseudo-IT-speak is dreadful. I would say the lawyer who wrote it didn't know what the Internet was or how it operates. Bloody American patent system
Way back in 1995 /6 I remember using altdns .... Wonderful. I see the days of a private dns springing up quite soon.
Oscommerce is no better, really. It has an incredibly irritating mix of OO and procedural php, a mash of templates and bizarre attempts at MVC and some code in the core procedures that is replicated 4 times for identical outputs. A very high WTF ratio on this one. I have spent the best part of a month getting it into shape. Re databases, the guys who designed it sure do love their normalisation!
I loved my P2-266. It felt like I had lightning in my pants and its farted thunder. Man, it was so fast. It even ran Linux Redhat!!
Chisel off the names of unfashionable Pharaohs.
A dangerous chemical, to be sure. But, my friend, I would try to have a more open mind as to exactly what this is before believing hastily compiled reports exhorting grim assessments of "full testing had not been completed" and "initial indications".
Perhaps, we might also want to get the real source or *motive* of the sender?
These comments are getting off track of the thread though.
Security doesn't reduce your stupidity. Nor does paranoia increase your security. Check the USA today. Post a toner cartridge and the whole country shuts down. QED. (Bet the guys at newegg are looking at their policy on combo parts shipments.) (Apologies to the nice Americans here)
Ozzie here. I swear I have been having more trouble with my email since I've begun encrypting everything. I'd swear these Gestapo bastards are using these laws retrospectively and have been forcing ISPs to do this for some time. I am ashamed to be an Australian. Every year we take a step closer to the steep cliff of tyranny.