A field test for the new weapon of the Bush administration. Created for the Homeland Security department by Nokia, the phones are programmed to explode when called by a source number, known only by the CIA, and in conjuction with a 2 beep tone. Once the tone plays the phone explodes and blows the head of the suspected terrorist.
Perfecto!
BTW, I'm a Bush fan; however, I simply couldn't resist.
Based on a recent article that says that 3G use has been observed to make people sick....
I think they should have installed 3G cards in all the computers, and not Wi-Fi cards, so the fat kids would feel sick and not eat so much school pizza, fries, oreo's and drink so much Coke.
That's where the lawsuit should be focused. The long term health effects of fat and sugar filled school food.
If you had any insight, you would realize that your power bill is the service that provides you with the most return on your investment. Without power, pretty much all other daily activities stop. Including all the cable crap I pay for. Any my cable bill is the only household bill that is greater that my power bill. Other other utilities are less, and are more important.
If we can keep this ruling intact, I hope that this helps lower the $50 a month cost that I pay for my cable modem! I've been forced to use one company for years now, without the option of DSL in my area. What's worse, if I ever wanted to go to dish for my television service (I want Discovery HD) then I had to pay and extra $20 fee for simply not having cable service.
FWIW, I pay $130 to my cable provider each month. That's $40 more than my monthly power bill. It's that odd?
You've missed the point totally. The law is the law until it's changed. And to change this BAD law, these actions need to be taken by those that disagree with the bad law. Even you say you disagree; however, you offer no solution.
BTW, the RIAA is not entitled to shit. It's allowed to access the information by the law. Legal 101.
While your post should be modded flamebait for it's acidic subject line, I just half to bite. I think you should sharpen up your "Reading Comprehension" skills.
You'll notice that I didn't tie my comparison to his comparison on cable modem hacking vs. manslaughter. I simply stated that he had a good point and made a comparison of my own concerning sentencing statistics on murder vs. the new law that defines 20 years to life for a specific set of crimes that are computer related.
So when you say......"Weaselmancer said "manslaughter" which is not the same as "murder"."......I say, "No shit Sherlock."
Mean sentence for murder = 248 months (20.6 years)
Hackers whose exploits result in injury or death -- if they disable emergency response networks or destroy electronic medical records, for example -- face 20 years to life in prison.
Now, I note it does say death, and if a person commits a computer crime that results in death, fine 20 years+ is ok with me; however, injury doesn't warrant the minimum 20 years IMHO.
What worse is that the average for rape is only about 11 years.
Not much else to talk about I suppose. *grin* Now that we both agree. FWIW, my argument was against some of your finer points. In truth I totally missed that you agreed that it wasn't a free speech issue, as I immediately had reaction to those finer details in your argument. I suppose if I had to make an association to free speech, it would be the fact that the phone ringing for commercial purposes would be violating my right to the tranquility of my own home. I'm not sure if that's free speech; however, I like to think of it as the right to free silence in my home. *grin*
Agreed, I didn't address the argument, just a point that you made in the argument.
It's 2 AM, so I must keep it short.. Your comparison with the mail box is apples and oranges.. Like the other gentlemen pointed out, your mailbox isn't going to ring and wake your baby up when junk mail is sent to it. BTW, my wife is nurse that sleeps during most of the day.. Now imagine the telemarketers calling YOU in the middle of the night while you are in your normal sleep pattern like they do to her. She can't simply turn off the ringer, as I or her parents might have to call in the event of an emergency.
Your argument about outlawing newspaper inserts, TV, and radio commercials is all moot, as was pointed out earlier, I can easily discern between the junk and what's useful at MY leisure, in MY home, on MY time. With the practice of hiding who is calling, one can't do that. I can get up and not watch the commercials. I am not forced by a call to action to go pay attention to the commercials. The best point the other gentlemen had was the fact that the TV doesn't turn itself on to force feed me commercials.
It's not free speech, it's plain and simple trespassing in my opinion. What's more is that telemarketers have already accepted do-not-call legislation. This makes for prior precedence, so their case is bullshit. All you have to do is tell them not to call, and they can't for 10 years. Why fight a better system that offloads the do-not-call management to a government run agency?
Second, you misunderstood part of my argument. I did not intend to compare newspapers, TV, etc. in their entirety to telephones; obviously they are different; the comparison was to the extent of use of speech over any medium. If you argue that you don't have to read newspapers, books, billboards, etc. and you don't have to listen to TV or radio, then I can argue that you don't need to have a telephone either. Those are all services that you choose to use or not to use for your convenience
I can't disagree with you more. I'm sure I can't name all the reasons; however, you DO need a telephone in this society. Applications for credit are a perfect example of this. Without a telephone number, most people can't get any credit. I know this as I work for a major bank in their CC department. Without a telephone, a person is truly blacklisted in so many different ways it's not even funny. Also like a car, you may argue that you don't need a car; however, in the United States, I can't disagree more. The only place where this may not be relevant is NY. But I don't consider NY to be the US *grin*. It's it's own country almost.
So do you need shoes? Or is it just a convenience? *grin*
MY phone, IS, my personal and private property. The hardware that allows that line to ring to device that converts electrical signal to audio is in fact, owned by the private citizen. I'm unsure how old you are; however, the law you are talking about that is on the books, had to do with the fact that; not very long ago, the phones were not owned by the consumer, they were leased equipment. That paved the way for telemarketing.
I never indicated that they didn't have a place, I just simply had to go against your number of.5M. It just wasn't true.
Perhaps it's time for the entire entertainment industry to adjust and begin to ask less and reduce payouts and salaries. It's gone out of control. When Mel Gibson snubs his nose as asks for $20 million for a single film, people pay it. When the NYSE chairman has a $150 million pay package that is spread out of over many years and everyone explodes in outrage.. something is wrong. Why? Which of these jobs do you think is more important to the overall economy of the United States:
A) Actor B)New York Stock Exchange CEO and Chairman
Granted, I don't like the fact that either one of them get paid so much, they all need a cut; however, my point is that the entertainment industry is an out of control paving machine using gold bricks to pave the road.
I don't see my salary in IT going up, even though I'm adding value. Perhaps we can begin to outsource actors. *grin*
Moot point, because American business subsidizes everything in some way shape or form if you look at it in such a black and white form. If American business didn't give me a paycheck, then how could I afford to have my own private house in which the laws protect my speech? My mortgage, along with millions of others are with Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, which are subsidized by the government, which in turn collects taxes from American business. So if we take your point, then I suppose Nike should be allowed to paint your walls with a swoosh whenever they so choose?
I don't think so. With about $50,000, one can perform all the tasks required to obtain the equipment to record an album. While in school, we produced albums of local bands for about $400 by using a local recording arts schools equipment during the non-teaching times.
Sound Forge, Pro Tools, MARS Music, a few sheets of sound insulation, microphones, mixing boards.. etc.. etc... You must be getting your number from the Studios that charge an arm and leg because they leased the expresso machine and purchased all the stainless steel/glass lamp/furniture to market their bullshit studio, while at the same time while leasing their posh space in downtown X. I think a fold up 8 foot table will do just fine that you very much.
Now it's from English -> German -> English -> Japanese -> English aka ALL YOUR BASE!!!!
Like opinion of the specialist of basic language study in the nameless map, and the everyday onlooker of the research namely internal letter which is not quoted on opposite side it is easy to confuse in the English Colombia, the sufficient university to the condition machine conversion being doubtful at first glance.
1. Please call this judge (since he believes in free speech) on his public phone and use your right to free speech to calmly and politely tell them that you are very upset that he ruled in favor of private for profit corporations to ring your private, individually funded, telephone.
Judge Edward W. Nottingham
Alfred A. Arraj United States Courthouse A1041 / Courtroom 14
(303) 844-5018
2. To address this entire situation: I'd like to say that I feel that it is completely insane! The fact of the matter is, there are already laws in place that opt a person out when a telemarketer calls. If simply you tell a telemarketer to no longer call you, they can't call you for 10 years! This law is on the books and sets a prior precedent.
Here are a few links that clearly state this fact:
So this brings me to this question... What in the hell are the telemarketers trying to prove? That the RIAA is not the only one that can piss off their target market?
The do-not-call list is even better for telemarketers as it provides only 5 years of protection and it saves them the time AND the money from having to maintain and collect data on their own lists!
Can someone help me understand how any of this free speech platform they are using is in any way valid at all?
Even though this is a dupe story, some people may have not seen the previous story.
As I sit in my office at 4 AM.. I find it sad...
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She is leading a team of researchers who are trying to prevent future power failures by making energy-sucking office buildings ultra-efficient at peak hours. (From the article)
I'm here working, and I am the only one on a floor that holds 200, and EVERY light in the place is on. Also all the other 6 floors of the two adjacent buildings are running. What's worse, I couldn't even tell you how to turn off even a section of these lights, as there are no visable light switches. My company is just wasting power... All I really need at my desk is my two lamps and nothing else.
How much money is it going to take to protect a cable in the middle of the ocean reaching up into space? We have a hard enough time protecting domestic flights. A flight hijacked out of Indonesia on a course to shear the 'space elevator' in half. I can see the news now.
While I think the idea is a GREAT idea, I worry about those that just see it as one more symbol of achievement for the 'west'.
Asked if the association knew Brianna was 12 when it decided to sue her, Weiss answered, "We don't have any personal information on any of the individuals."
That is, no personal information other than; who you are, where you live, what your IP is, what files you shared or downloaded, what you name is, etc.. etc.. etc.. Nothing really personal.
I would venture that the number of posts on/. concerning the RIAA is directly driven by the level of stupidity that the RIAA touts to the world. As the stupidity goes up, the amount of posts should go down, as there really isn't much else to do these days other than shake your head with the silent understanding that the RIAA is killing those that they represent.
Don't they understand that college students and high school students download songs because they are broke? Now with the continued slash and burn method; once the college student graduates and finds a job, this new generation of 'pissed off at the RIAA' simply are not going to purchase music legally simply out of hate, spite, etc...
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A field test for the new weapon of the Bush administration. Created for the Homeland Security department by Nokia, the phones are programmed to explode when called by a source number, known only by the CIA, and in conjuction with a 2 beep tone. Once the tone plays the phone explodes and blows the head of the suspected terrorist.
Perfecto!
BTW, I'm a Bush fan; however, I simply couldn't resist.
6) Use the information provided in the article and call:
SunnComm Technologies Inc., Phoenix
Kimberly Faulkner, 602-267-7500
and express... "You've got to be fucking kidding me?"
Based on a recent article that says that 3G use has been observed to make people sick....
I think they should have installed 3G cards in all the computers, and not Wi-Fi cards, so the fat kids would feel sick and not eat so much school pizza, fries, oreo's and drink so much Coke.
That's where the lawsuit should be focused. The long term health effects of fat and sugar filled school food.
No Karma on this one.. *grin*
If you had any insight, you would realize that your power bill is the service that provides you with the most return on your investment. Without power, pretty much all other daily activities stop. Including all the cable crap I pay for. Any my cable bill is the only household bill that is greater that my power bill. Other other utilities are less, and are more important.
If we can keep this ruling intact, I hope that this helps lower the $50 a month cost that I pay for my cable modem! I've been forced to use one company for years now, without the option of DSL in my area. What's worse, if I ever wanted to go to dish for my television service (I want Discovery HD) then I had to pay and extra $20 fee for simply not having cable service.
FWIW, I pay $130 to my cable provider each month. That's $40 more than my monthly power bill. It's that odd?
You've missed the point totally. The law is the law until it's changed. And to change this BAD law, these actions need to be taken by those that disagree with the bad law. Even you say you disagree; however, you offer no solution.
BTW, the RIAA is not entitled to shit. It's allowed to access the information by the law. Legal 101.
While your post should be modded flamebait for it's acidic subject line, I just half to bite. I think you should sharpen up your "Reading Comprehension" skills.
You'll notice that I didn't tie my comparison to his comparison on cable modem hacking vs. manslaughter. I simply stated that he had a good point and made a comparison of my own concerning sentencing statistics on murder vs. the new law that defines 20 years to life for a specific set of crimes that are computer related.
So when you say......"Weaselmancer said "manslaughter" which is not the same as "murder"."......I say, "No shit Sherlock."
I went out to the US Dept of Justice Statistics and Weaselmancer has a pretty good point.
From: USOJP
Mean sentence for murder = 248 months (20.6 years)
Hackers whose exploits result in injury or death -- if they disable emergency response networks or destroy electronic medical records, for example -- face 20 years to life in prison.
Now, I note it does say death, and if a person commits a computer crime that results in death, fine 20 years+ is ok with me; however, injury doesn't warrant the minimum 20 years IMHO.
What worse is that the average for rape is only about 11 years.
Not much else to talk about I suppose. *grin* Now that we both agree. FWIW, my argument was against some of your finer points. In truth I totally missed that you agreed that it wasn't a free speech issue, as I immediately had reaction to those finer details in your argument. I suppose if I had to make an association to free speech, it would be the fact that the phone ringing for commercial purposes would be violating my right to the tranquility of my own home. I'm not sure if that's free speech; however, I like to think of it as the right to free silence in my home. *grin*
Agreed, I didn't address the argument, just a point that you made in the argument.
It's 2 AM, so I must keep it short.. Your comparison with the mail box is apples and oranges.. Like the other gentlemen pointed out, your mailbox isn't going to ring and wake your baby up when junk mail is sent to it. BTW, my wife is nurse that sleeps during most of the day.. Now imagine the telemarketers calling YOU in the middle of the night while you are in your normal sleep pattern like they do to her. She can't simply turn off the ringer, as I or her parents might have to call in the event of an emergency.
Your argument about outlawing newspaper inserts, TV, and radio commercials is all moot, as was pointed out earlier, I can easily discern between the junk and what's useful at MY leisure, in MY home, on MY time. With the practice of hiding who is calling, one can't do that. I can get up and not watch the commercials. I am not forced by a call to action to go pay attention to the commercials. The best point the other gentlemen had was the fact that the TV doesn't turn itself on to force feed me commercials.
It's not free speech, it's plain and simple trespassing in my opinion. What's more is that telemarketers have already accepted do-not-call legislation. This makes for prior precedence, so their case is bullshit. All you have to do is tell them not to call, and they can't for 10 years. Why fight a better system that offloads the do-not-call management to a government run agency?
So I was going to go look for the number of employes the RIAA had, as I was betting on the fact that they probaly only have 838.
The interesting thing was, www.riaa.org is not coming up.
Thinking that this was just my internet connection, I travled to www.webperf.org for a 3rd party breakdown and I received a 130 second response time..
Damn, what a shame. *grin*
Second, you misunderstood part of my argument. I did not intend to compare newspapers, TV, etc. in their entirety to telephones; obviously they are different; the comparison was to the extent of use of speech over any medium. If you argue that you don't have to read newspapers, books, billboards, etc. and you don't have to listen to TV or radio, then I can argue that you don't need to have a telephone either. Those are all services that you choose to use or not to use for your convenience
I can't disagree with you more. I'm sure I can't name all the reasons; however, you DO need a telephone in this society. Applications for credit are a perfect example of this. Without a telephone number, most people can't get any credit. I know this as I work for a major bank in their CC department. Without a telephone, a person is truly blacklisted in so many different ways it's not even funny. Also like a car, you may argue that you don't need a car; however, in the United States, I can't disagree more. The only place where this may not be relevant is NY. But I don't consider NY to be the US *grin*. It's it's own country almost.
So do you need shoes? Or is it just a convenience? *grin*
"They make it illegal to make someone else pay for unwanted communication"
So does the depreciation (wear and tear) on my private cordless phone, including the power expenditure involved, qualify?
Just curious....
The FACT is:
MY phone, IS, my personal and private property. The hardware that allows that line to ring to device that converts electrical signal to audio is in fact, owned by the private citizen. I'm unsure how old you are; however, the law you are talking about that is on the books, had to do with the fact that; not very long ago, the phones were not owned by the consumer, they were leased equipment. That paved the way for telemarketing.
NT
I never indicated that they didn't have a place, I just simply had to go against your number of .5M. It just wasn't true.
Perhaps it's time for the entire entertainment industry to adjust and begin to ask less and reduce payouts and salaries. It's gone out of control. When Mel Gibson snubs his nose as asks for $20 million for a single film, people pay it. When the NYSE chairman has a $150 million pay package that is spread out of over many years and everyone explodes in outrage.. something is wrong. Why? Which of these jobs do you think is more important to the overall economy of the United States:
A) Actor B)New York Stock Exchange CEO and Chairman
Granted, I don't like the fact that either one of them get paid so much, they all need a cut; however, my point is that the entertainment industry is an out of control paving machine using gold bricks to pave the road.
I don't see my salary in IT going up, even though I'm adding value. Perhaps we can begin to outsource actors. *grin*
Moot point, because American business subsidizes everything in some way shape or form if you look at it in such a black and white form. If American business didn't give me a paycheck, then how could I afford to have my own private house in which the laws protect my speech? My mortgage, along with millions of others are with Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, which are subsidized by the government, which in turn collects taxes from American business. So if we take your point, then I suppose Nike should be allowed to paint your walls with a swoosh whenever they so choose?
I don't think so. With about $50,000, one can perform all the tasks required to obtain the equipment to record an album. While in school, we produced albums of local bands for about $400 by using a local recording arts schools equipment during the non-teaching times.
Sound Forge, Pro Tools, MARS Music, a few sheets of sound insulation, microphones, mixing boards.. etc.. etc... You must be getting your number from the Studios that charge an arm and leg because they leased the expresso machine and purchased all the stainless steel/glass lamp/furniture to market their bullshit studio, while at the same time while leasing their posh space in downtown X. I think a fold up 8 foot table will do just fine that you very much.
Now it's from English -> German -> English -> Japanese -> English aka ALL YOUR BASE!!!!
Like opinion of the specialist of basic language study in the nameless map, and the everyday onlooker of the research namely internal letter which is not quoted on opposite side it is easy to confuse in the English Colombia, the sufficient university to the condition machine conversion being doubtful at first glance.
There are two items I'd like to address:
1. Please call this judge (since he believes in free speech) on his public phone and use your right to free speech to calmly and politely tell them that you are very upset that he ruled in favor of private for profit corporations to ring your private, individually funded, telephone.
Judge Edward W. Nottingham
Alfred A. Arraj United States Courthouse A1041 / Courtroom 14
(303) 844-5018
2. To address this entire situation: I'd like to say that I feel that it is completely insane! The fact of the matter is, there are already laws in place that opt a person out when a telemarketer calls. If simply you tell a telemarketer to no longer call you, they can't call you for 10 years! This law is on the books and sets a prior precedent.
Here are a few links that clearly state this fact:
FTC
Junkbusters
So this brings me to this question... What in the hell are the telemarketers trying to prove? That the RIAA is not the only one that can piss off their target market?
The do-not-call list is even better for telemarketers as it provides only 5 years of protection and it saves them the time AND the money from having to maintain and collect data on their own lists!
Can someone help me understand how any of this free speech platform they are using is in any way valid at all?
While I was at SIGGRAPH, I snapped this picture.
Even though this is a dupe story, some people may have not seen the previous story.
She is leading a team of researchers who are trying to prevent future power failures by making energy-sucking office buildings ultra-efficient at peak hours. (From the article)
I'm here working, and I am the only one on a floor that holds 200, and EVERY light in the place is on. Also all the other 6 floors of the two adjacent buildings are running. What's worse, I couldn't even tell you how to turn off even a section of these lights, as there are no visable light switches. My company is just wasting power... All I really need at my desk is my two lamps and nothing else.
How much money is it going to take to protect a cable in the middle of the ocean reaching up into space? We have a hard enough time protecting domestic flights. A flight hijacked out of Indonesia on a course to shear the 'space elevator' in half. I can see the news now.
While I think the idea is a GREAT idea, I worry about those that just see it as one more symbol of achievement for the 'west'.
Ugg....
I love this statement:
Asked if the association knew Brianna was 12 when it decided to sue her, Weiss answered, "We don't have any personal information on any of the individuals."
That is, no personal information other than; who you are, where you live, what your IP is, what files you shared or downloaded, what you name is, etc.. etc.. etc.. Nothing really personal.
I would venture that the number of posts on /. concerning the RIAA is directly driven by the level of stupidity that the RIAA touts to the world. As the stupidity goes up, the amount of posts should go down, as there really isn't much else to do these days other than shake your head with the silent understanding that the RIAA is killing those that they represent.
Don't they understand that college students and high school students download songs because they are broke? Now with the continued slash and burn method; once the college student graduates and finds a job, this new generation of 'pissed off at the RIAA' simply are not going to purchase music legally simply out of hate, spite, etc...