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Video Screen in Thin Air

Agent Provocateur writes "CNN has a story about inventions in advanced computer displays -- eliminating the screen altogether."Ever since the movie 'Star Wars' came out and there was a distress call from Princess Leia," -- generated in thin air by the robot R2D2 -- "people all over the world have been wanting one of these." While unlikely to replace the desktop computer monitor, so-called walk-through displays could eventually be put to use in product showrooms and museums."

232 comments

  1. Dupe. by arivanov · · Score: 1, Informative

    This has already been posted.

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    1. Re:Dupe. by keesh · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I mailed the 'Editor on Duty' a while back, seems they ignore the DP email address. Why do I pay them good money again?

      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/08/0455 22 2

    2. Re:Dupe. by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 3, Funny
      Why do I pay them good money again?
      Perhaps you too are a dupe!
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    3. Re:Dupe. by da3dAlus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not a dupe. The other article about a floating display used a fog curtain. This one is different, but not by much. Still, RTFA.

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    4. Re:Dupe. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the io2technology element of the story is new, afaik.

    5. Re:Dupe. by boogy+nightmare · · Score: 2, Informative

      Are you not confusing this with the weird foggy screne that was on here not long ago ?

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  2. Dupe? by NetPoser · · Score: 0

    Wasn't there a previous story on this but they used fog or smoke to do the same thing?

  3. Holodeck! by Brahmastra · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hope this develops ultimately into a holodeck. Playing quake in a holodeck will be a lot more fun

    1. Re:Holodeck! by pe1rxq · · Score: 1, Funny

      Until somebody overrides the safety protocols and you are blasted into the hot fog pool by a fog rocket :)

      Jeroen

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    2. Re:Holodeck! by superdan2k · · Score: 1

      Yeah, especially if it's truly lethal. Then those of us with combat arms training will have a leg up on you keyboard cowboys. :-)

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    3. Re:Holodeck! by Gr33nNight · · Score: 0

      Those of us without girlfriends would put the holodeck to 'other' uses.

    4. Re:Holodeck! by sonicattack · · Score: 1

      Eh, yes.. But going from projecting a picture on fog, to actually creating touchable, real objects (the Holodeck is another application of the technology used in transporters) is quite a step!

      I agree, it would be nice, though! :)

    5. Re:Holodeck! by narratorDan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not even close to Holodeck technology. The holodeck actually creates objects for its user to interact with using the same energy matter system that the transporter system moves objects from ship to planet and back. The only real difference between the two systems is that the transporter begins with matter then transforms it into energy which is then transmitted to a remote location for reconstruction, while the holodeck begins with energy which is configured in an "image matrix" to create the object within the confines of the holodeck or vacinity of a holodeck generator. Check out StNG episode 29, "Elementary, Dear Data" this covers some of the specs of the holodeck

      NarratorDan

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    6. Re:Holodeck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Holodeck! (Score:4, Interesting)

      Yeah really "interesting."

      Nice moderation.

    7. Re:Holodeck! by BobTheLawyer · · Score: 3, Funny

      so you're a virgin, then?

    8. Re:Holodeck! by RuB1X · · Score: 1

      Forget about playing blah videogames, you know that practically everyone reading these threads has the same idea in mind... dirty sex with their favorite Star Trek / Star Wars character... or maybe its just me.

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    9. Re:Holodeck! by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      The holodeck actually creates objects for its user to interact

      If that were true, those objects would persist after being removed from the holodeck. But they always fade out at the doorway. For contrast, look at the beverage dispensers the crew uses- those objects are created by a transporter-like effect, and they are real matter.

      Check out StNG episode 29, "Elementary, Dear Data" this covers some of the specs of the holodeck

      If you paid attention to that episode, you'd see holodeck characters lingering at the doorway to the external corridor, fearful to cross because of the suspicion that they were NOT matter, but simply a projection maintained by the special room they were in. As soon as one of them leaves, he's erased from simulation.

      (This is more blatant in the episode about rampaging holodeck gangsters)

    10. Re:Holodeck! by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 2, Funny

      No one wants to have dirty sex with you - haven't you noticed yet?

      (Hint: Star Trek is part of the reason)

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    11. Re:Holodeck! by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      Except then players would have to be... y'know... in shape. When was the last time you saw a computer game player built like a special forces operative?

  4. How? by grub · · Score: 5, Interesting


    The machine modifies the air above a video projector

    That tantalizing bit of information is all that is said about how it works. Does anyone know if it shoots a thin mist or fog to project the image on? One would imagine so, so using one of these displays in a room with active ventilation may screw up the image as the fog is blown around.

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    1. Re:How? by electromaggot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The article mentions two technologies. One is the fog screen (as seen at SIGGRAPH), where the fog unit hangs from the ceiling and its clearly-visible vapor flows downward.

      This other technology seems to involve a "sit on your desk" unit, out of which some kind of vapor appears to blow upwards. They have three videos showing this on their website (IO2 Technology) although it's light on technical specifics. The vids are filmed from in front of the unit, which seems to have a more extensive projection system hiding back behind it -- which as the guy moves his hand into the image, you can see projecting bright light up onto his arm. The "sheet" of vapor is surprisingly transparent, but you can notice its "laminar flow" being disrupted by his hand movement.

      I, too, have my questions: What the vapor is and if it's toxic or messy... and how he'll do 3D (which is implied as being the next step) because the technology I see is basically a 2D "screen" and a long way from 3D.

    2. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FWIW, when they fill a room with fog for laser light shows, you can only see the fog as a very light haze if you look across a long distance of it. If this was just a thin screen, it's not surprising that you wouldn't see it at all. (keeping it from dispersing is more surprising...)

    3. Re:How? by RLWatkins · · Score: 1

      The machine modifies the air above a video projector

      I'd wondered about that myself. Do you suppose anyone is working on something that uses ultrasound to change the refractive properties of air? (Who all remembers acoustical surface wave devices?)

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    4. Re:How? by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Does anyone know if it shoots a thin mist or fog to project the image on?

      Obviously, you want to convert the air to form a mirror of some sort to form a superior mirage effect. So, the simplest solution would be to implement some cooling system to create the cool air layer, and use the heat of the projector to create the warm air layer. Once you have this boundary layer, you should have an air mirror and maybe a holographic image.

    5. Re:How? by aXis100 · · Score: 1

      Or, they cool the air and form tiny droplets of condensation / dry ice

  5. star vars by userloser · · Score: 3, Funny

    "help me 'tech support' you're my only hope..."

    1. Re:star vars by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 0

      By star vars, do you mean stuff like this?
      int *x;

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  6. Fantasmic! by inertia187 · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's like Fantasmic! where they project cartoon clips onto a couple fountains. Those aren't 3D, but they're impressive.

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  7. Primary use = advertising by kaltkalt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Prepare to have floating, 3D advertisements everywhere you fucking look.

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    1. Re:Primary use = advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I work near Times Square so I am use to seeing bright, glowing ads everywhere I look. This couldn't be much harder to ignore.

    2. Re:Primary use = advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      they are called billboards and they are "floating" nearly eveywhere you fucking look.

    3. Re:Primary use = advertising by Numeric · · Score: 2, Funny

      Imagine the uses for advertising in a city's red light district.

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    4. Re:Primary use = advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! John Anderton, could you do with a Guinness right now?"

      At least with a screen made out of condensed droplets, there's a chance you could actually get one...

    5. Re:Primary use = advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do those even catch your attention? Maybe, maybe not... but 3D floaty displays might work even better.

    6. Re:Primary use = advertising by anubi · · Score: 1
      I can already see the day coming when corporations fight legal battles over whoever owns the projection rights to cloud formations.

      There will be immense competition as to marking a cloud as it forms to claim ownership.

      What's this? Ridiculous? Don't we already patent things as nebulous as concepts and sound wave patterns? And confer "ownership"?

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    7. Re:Primary use = advertising by ArmedLemming · · Score: 1

      Perpare to have "new, 3D ad blocking!" Eagle Eye sunglass infomercials on TVs everywhere.

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    8. Re:Primary use = advertising by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > That would certainly make you look anywhere fucking.

      Parse error: Sentence makes no fucking sense.

  8. I can see where this is going by sixteenraisins · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If these 3-D "images" can be manipulated by hand, this technology becomes infintely more valuable - after all, some cheesy videogames were using 3-D holo-type displays back in the 80's, but without the hand-manipulation ability.

    I can see this being used for training surgeons, bomb squads, etc. - any type of high risk sort of profession where learning on a "screen" you can manipulate with your hands either poses a threat or isn't something you can easily reproduce in situ.

    William

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    1. Re:I can see where this is going by TopShelf · · Score: 1, Funny

      and just think of what this could do for the beer-goggling scene. Once you get her back home and realize what you've gotten into, just overlay her with the Asia Carerra program and off you go...

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    2. Re:I can see where this is going by 73bgt · · Score: 1

      some cheesy videogames were using 3-D holo-type displays back in the 80's

      I assume by this you mean those black bowl and projector setups?

      They looked really cool, but the games were unplayable. Does anyone know who made those things or how they worked? was it a specialised projector, or could I make one from a bog standard lcd projector + a polished bowl?

    3. Re:I can see where this is going by JAgostoni · · Score: 2, Informative

      I believe they were projected into a mirror similar to those things you can buy at the local science store. The ones that you put the coin in and it appeared as it it were floating.

    4. Re:I can see where this is going by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      They can be. Have a look at the video's on i02something's site (links in posts above). Cool stuff.

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    5. Re:I can see where this is going by edrugtrader · · Score: 1

      uh... i think they are using the same thought process i do when i pass of a bug as a feature...

      both of these project onto a wall of fog or mist... water in the air... if you put a fan in front of the water, the image will move or go away...

      if you put your hand through the image and disturb the fog, obviously the canvas the image is projected on will move and the image will distort...

      i know you want to drop the 22k on this and project some 42" porn so you can touch your first titty, but it ain't gonna happen, chief.

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    6. Re:I can see where this is going by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, yeah you sure told them..

      thats the last time they'll make fun of you for being 30 and watching those pokemon porno tapes..

    7. Re:I can see where this is going by linzeal · · Score: 1

      Might need to overlay a few Asia Carerras holograms on them if they are large land mammals and than you got a threesome! Woo hoo!

  9. on smoke and water by digitalhermit · · Score: 4, Informative

    Years ago I saw a ceremony for a hotel somewhere in Miami. One of the attractions was a fountain that created a virtual screen from mist. The projector then, um, projected the movie onto the mist. From the front and back it looked interesting but it wasn't 3D.

    I've also seen some stuff at Disneyworld that created miniature moving holograms. They were maybe 4-5 inches high but looked pretty detailed.

    1. Re:on smoke and water by mantera · · Score: 1

      hehe... you have some interesting sources/inspirations/examples.

  10. wired is...... by cypherwise · · Score: 2, Informative

    also running an article: Look Ma' No Projection Screen

    1. Re:wired is...... by terradyn · · Score: 1

      Cool...that article explains how the IO2 display works:

      IO2 Technology's Heliodisplay, the size of a breadbox, projects images onto a cloud of water vapor diffused into the air rather than on a screen. Observers can control the virtual characters as they would on a computer screen, but instead of using a mouse, they use their hands. No special glove is needed, said Chad Dyner, founder and CEO of the company.

  11. Inovation by AngryCodeMonkey · · Score: 1, Funny

    I see this as a great inovation for pr0n.

  12. Princess Leia? by Vigilante42 · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's just me, but if it comes to having a walk-through display in my living room, Princess Leia might not be the preferred object of desire...ahum...appreciation.

  13. I remember by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember wanting a projector that could display in the air after I saw Star Wars.

    I also wanted to make a light saber that would really turn on and off (not like those sissy plastic ones where the beam never really goes away.) At the time I really wanted one for halloween. Now I just want one because I do. I'm pretty sure the same technology could be used as long as you could produce A LOT of mist. Could somebody from ThinkGeek get on this?

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    1. Re:I remember by thryllkill · · Score: 1

      Forget that, I want one that lets me cut through metal and people's arms and stuff.

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    2. Re:I remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure the same technology could be used as long as you could produce A LOT of mist. Could somebody from ThinkGeek get on this?
      really?

      so how do you tell light photons to STOP travelling?

      or are you hoping that someone will set up a projector at a 90 degree angle to you and project your lame light saber beam for you?

      until you get a basic understanding of physics your desires will only sound really stupid to others....

    3. Re:I remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These screens work by making two high-speed sheets of air, into which the mist is squeezed so that it remains flat. If you could create a high-speed hollow cylinder of air then it might be possible to fire some kind of propellant into it. Like a flamethrower, only more accurate. OK, so you wouldn't be cutting through metal with one swoop, like in the movies, but you could do some serious mayhem with it.

      Ofcourse, if it would be legal to manufacture and sell is not so certain.

    4. Re:I remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Photons don't need to stop traveling, it's good enough if they don't be visible.

      As you probably know, laser can only be seen when it reflects something, he was thinking of a blade shaped projection of mist so the light would be visible from all sides while inside that but seemingly disappears after it reaches the clear air (there'd be a spot on wherever it hits, but that's not very big deal).

      It'd still be damn hard to keep that mist cylinder together without dispersing and in right shape, especially if you'd try to move the damn thing.

    5. Re:I remember by tgd · · Score: 1

      Interesting? INTERESTING?

      What the hell is wrong with /. moderators?

      Funny, maybe. But unless these moderators know a way to stop photons in their tracks a few feet from where they were emitted, this post is perhaps intentionally funny, perhaps accidentally funny, but not in any way, shape, or form interesting.

    6. Re:I remember by HiThere · · Score: 1

      It would be legal, as long as the military was your first customer.

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    7. Re:I remember by HiThere · · Score: 1

      What you could do is have a spring loaded plastic sheath. Something like supermarket bags, only open at the ends, and you only run the mist down the center of the column. You might need to (partially) close the upper end, so that the air pressure inside would be high enough to allow you to swing the blade. Retracting it when you turned things off, though, would be a tricky problem. (Well, you could have a really long handle, and a short blade, but there ought to be a better answer than *that*.)

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    8. Re:I remember by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      But unless these moderators know a way to stop photons in their tracks a few feet from where they were emitted

      If the photons from a lightsabre actually stopped in their tracks, then the deadly beam would be invisible. Without photons, there's nothing to see.

      That would be better in many combat situations, but less useful to present a fearsome threat or just win a pose-off.

      The most physically plausible explanation for lightsabres is that the handle is simply a can holding a spool of carbon monofilament. Using their famous telekinetic ability to move objects without touching them, the Jedi operator simply extends the filament out into a stiff line and slices away. (The illumination is given off when stresses on the filament excite it to the point of incandescent heat)

  14. Link for more info by RIAAwakka_nakka_bakk · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:Link for more info by RIAAwakka_nakka_bakk · · Score: 0

      my password is "iloveriaa". please log into my account and post good comments so my karma will go up. thank you in advance.

  15. One Problem..... by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 2, Funny

    What Am I going to smash to pieces when my program doesn't work ?

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    1. Re:One Problem..... by setzman · · Score: 1

      You could just smash your Windows cds.

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  16. only partly dupe by fireduck · · Score: 5, Informative

    the fog part of the story does seem to be a dupe, but there's the far more interesting part where the guy makes the image appear without fog/smoke/anything visible to bounce the light off of.

    his website is www.io2technology.com

    1. Re:only partly dupe by leonardluen · · Score: 3, Informative

      not only has someone thought of this...but it has already been patentad

      http://www.actuality-systems.com/pressrelease_ne xt .php3

    2. Re:only partly dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oops...replied to the wrong message

    3. Re:only partly dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. It uses a sheet of water particles. You can't just bounce light off nothing in mid-air. Let me know when THAT becomes possible.

    4. Re:only partly dupe by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > It uses a sheet of water particles. You can't just bounce light off nothing in mid-air

      It does not say it uses any material in the article. It specifically said that it alters the air above the machine. And, BTW, where on Earth is there "nothing?" Supposedly, there are ways that air particles can be manipulated to act like a mirror. Another poster said something about it using a sheet of hot air & a sheet of cold air. I think it might be kinda' like heat distortion you see coming off the pavement on a summer day.

  17. applications by nounderscores · · Score: 1

    dupe it may be, but has anybody considered using multiple 2d screens arranged at 90 degrees to "fill" a true 3d volume with voxels?

    sounds like a job for cluster computing!

    1. Re:applications by leonardluen · · Score: 1

      not only has someone thought of this...but it has already been patented

      http://www.actuality-systems.com/pressrelease_ne xt .php3

    2. Re:applications by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      nounderscores suggested a device like a stack of LCDs to provide 3-dimensional pixel addressing. (Multilayer LCDs, allowing for example 1024x768x3 pixels, have already been created).

      The Actuality product you keep spamming about is nothing like that.

  18. Walk-Through? by barryfandango · · Score: 2, Funny

    The name for the technolgoy is hardly accurate. At twenty seven inches, only a smurf could "walk-through" this screen.

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  19. seeing double by ilikecaffeine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay, so it's a dupe.

    I still want one, and not because of the wowfactor. There seriously needs to be a large (like 3m x 3m), feasible, outdoor display that can be driven through repeatedly and still be visible. It'd be perfect for those idiot drivers who don't notice the "Keep Moving" and "No Turn on Red" signs. If they have to drive through them, they can't *not* see them. (hopefully...) Even a "Slow down, idiot" sign would be great.

    It's my mission to make Americans better drivers, although I'm beginning to think natural selection is the best way to go about that.

    1. Re:seeing double by proj_2501 · · Score: 1

      perhaps one mounted on your roof and aimed at the nearest victim by a joystick on your shifter?

      and a variety of insulting/informative messages?

    2. Re:seeing double by xSauronx · · Score: 1
      if theyre that oblivious, i have a good feeling theyd freak out at this type of sign, swerve or brake and kill several people

      probably not worth the trouble

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    3. Re:seeing double by rpillala · · Score: 1

      Somehow that makes me think of drive-through EULAs: "By driving through this sign, you accept blah blah blah."

      Ravi

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    4. Re:seeing double by corbettw · · Score: 1

      Well, he did something about wanting natural selection to improve driving ability. So maybe these signs would work, afterall.

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    5. Re:seeing double by Tin+Foil+Hat · · Score: 1

      I think your mission is doomed to failure. The only way (aside from your theory of natural selection) to increase driver competance on an wide scale is to require extensive driver training. What with the powerful auto lobby, and the fact that owning a car is a virtual necessity for most Americans, more restrictive licensing is not an option in this country. 'Drive-Thru' signs are also a bad idea because they would necessarily reduce visibility, causing more problems than they would solve.

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  20. "not to mention 250,000 hits on his Web site" by agentforsythe · · Score: 0, Funny

    yep, sounds like it was posted on slashdot.

  21. Talk about double entendres by mblase · · Score: 1, Funny

    From the article image caption, accompanying a projection of Cameron Diaz: Researchers say the heliodisplay can be used to interact with images of movie stars and others.

    I'm not even going to touch that one.

    1. Re:Talk about double entendres by boogy+nightmare · · Score: 1

      hmm surely thats a single entendre as it is soooo obviously naughty conertations....

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      this is a troll please dont argue for a million posts over proper Grammar

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    2. Re:Talk about double entendres by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > I'm not even going to touch that one.

      Of course not, it's an image in mid-air. You can't touch it.

    3. Re:Talk about double entendres by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > You can't touch it.

      Hmmm... Cue M.C. Hammer music.

  22. Re:Come on man! by swagr · · Score: 1

    Not only is this a dupe, its a dupe of a dupe!
    You say that like it's a bad thing.
    At least now we're almost guaranteed not to have to see it again.

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  23. Disney's Water Screen by cpopin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This technique was used in the early 90s in Disneyland's Fantasma show. Characters from Fantasia performed on a stage on Tom Sawyer's Island across the river from the audience. In less than a second, they can hide the stage in a wall of water used as a projection screen for scenes from the movie Fantasia. Then turn off the water and projector for viewing the characters on stage, again within less than a second.

    It was an awesome display. It only ran for a limited time and as far as I know they've never repeated it. I'm glad I lived in California at the time to experience it. The show rates a 10! If they ever bring this back and you have the opportunity, I highly recommend catching it.

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    1. Re:Disney's Water Screen by saddino · · Score: 1

      You can still watch this today if you're making the trip to Disney World in Florida. Fantasmic is shown every night at Disney-MGM Studios and yes, they use the "projection on water" technique a lot...very cool stuff. By turning off the stage lights they maximize the brightness of the display -- I was pretty impressed with the image quality.

    2. Re:Disney's Water Screen by VCAGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can now rent/buy these units. Aquatique Show among others makes them. I was a video tech at a show where they used these--it was 32 feet wide and rear projected with a Christie Digital Roadie X10 (10,000 ANSI lumen digital projector--Eidophor lovers, eat your heart out!) The staging guys installed the screen and catch box in about 4 hours--even on an electrically live stage (i.e. one with 120/208 going though it), there isn't really any concern of water--the catch boxes are very well designed to almost elminiate splashout.

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    3. Re:Disney's Water Screen by cpopin · · Score: 1

      Hmmm...back yard movie display!

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    4. Re:Disney's Water Screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disneyland still does it. I went to Bat's Day in the Park a few weeks ago, and they did the whole "projection on a sheet of water" thing. Pretty cool for around 45 seconds. Then I looked at the massive crowd watching the projections and thought it would be a good time to hit the haunted house. :-)

    5. Re:Disney's Water Screen by NaDrew · · Score: 1
      It only ran for a limited time and as far as I know they've never repeated it.
      Fantasmic! premiered in 1992 at Disneyland in California and has been running ever since, barring a few months here and there for maintenance. It will be returning this Friday night from one of those breaks.
      An updated, expanded (and not as good) version of the show also runs at Disney-MGM Studios in Walt Disney World in Florida.
      The original show is still as fantastic as ever and I highly recommend seeing it.
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    6. Re:Disney's Water Screen by cpopin · · Score: 1

      I knew it was too good to only appear once! And it was in 1992 when I saw it there. There's nothing like watching Fantasmic after dining at Club 33 in New Orleans Square.

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  24. hmmm by boogy+nightmare · · Score: 1

    could nike sue them though...

    after all this is air-ware...

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  25. All displays will be moot.. by TheVampire · · Score: 1

    once we get the capability to hard-wire into the optical nerves leading to the brain, and do it fairly cheaply ( and reliably ).

  26. Buy stock in this by DirkDaring · · Score: 1

    Say hello to internet video porn calls. This will be a multi-billion dollar market.

  27. Haunted Houses by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Halloween is coming up. Imagine putting some of these in a "haunted" house and running spooky images, with sound of course.

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  28. OSDN needs to hire real journalists by mao+che+minh · · Score: 1, Insightful
    I love it when the Slashdot editors reveal to us their immense ignorance and lack of awareness by posting duplicate stories. Their inability to effectively manage a weblog between seven to eight people is what keeps Slashdot from becoming a legitimate source of technology news and satire, and instead "just a discussion forum".

    The editor's lack of cleverness and almost childish and poorly thought out comments don't help their cause either. And before you ask me how I can insult the Slashdot team while paying for the site: the discussion board is fine, because we the readers drive it, and it is this that I support - not their shoddy attempt at journalism.

    1. Re:OSDN needs to hire real journalists by JeanPaulBob · · Score: 2, Informative

      As others have noted, this isn't a dupe. You seem to be thinking of the fog screen that was posted a few weeks ago. This is different.

    2. Re:OSDN needs to hire real journalists by setzman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How can it be a news source when it doesn't have anyone out writing articles or doing research? They only get what people submit from 3rd parties. You are right in everything you say, just that the method of obtaining articles would have to change for the credibility level to increase.

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    3. Re:OSDN needs to hire real journalists by masked_rider · · Score: 0

      RFTA. This is not a dupe.

      Take at a look at the company's website. This is quite amazing. From looking at the specs, they are able to control translucency (doesn't mention to what degree), *AND* the working prototype has touch screen interactivity. Which means that this could possibly be extended to an actual interface (rather than just some floating billboard).

    4. Re:OSDN needs to hire real journalists by KaiserSoze · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey awesome guy, even though I'll probably be the millionth to point this out, this story is not a dupe. It's a different company with a different project. Let me paraphrase for you:

      No one takes the parent post seriously because he didn't RTFA. The poster's lack of cleverness and almost childish and poorly thought out comments didn't help his cause either.

      Original is here: this is what you are thinking of.
      This is the "fog screen" tech made by the university students.
      Here is a link to a company that is creating vertical projections.

      Read the goddamned article, and stop wasting space. Go away and never come back.

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    5. Re:OSDN needs to hire real journalists by jerm_nz · · Score: 1
      How can it be a news source when it doesn't have anyone out writing articles or doing research?

      It's not a news source in a traditional sense, but a meta news source, containing a kind of "best of" of news which would be interesting to nerds (read the slashdot slogan on the top of the page). I don't have hours a day to go around half a dozens different news sites and I'm glad that something like slashdot exists.

  29. Similar, but not a dupe by cmcguffin · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are two distinct groups developing and commercializing similar technology.

    The previously-posted story was about a walk-thru screen developed at Tampere University of Technology, Finland, demonstrated at SIGGRAPH 2003, which is being commercialized by FogScreen, Inc.

    In the current story, the technology was developed at MIT, demonstrated for the media, and is being commercialized by IO2 Technology".

    Both systems appear to use a particle wall or sheet, onto which video is projected. Neither is anywhere close to "holographic," so I'm afraid those late-night session "learning Vulcan" with Virtual T'Pol are still a few years off.

    1. Re:Similar, but not a dupe by Have+Blue · · Score: 0

      You're supposed to joke about "Vulcan neuropressure" now, not just some vague "learning Vulcan".

    2. Re:Similar, but not a dupe by penguin7of9 · · Score: 1

      There are two distinct groups developing and commercializing similar technology.

      It's pretty silly what goes as "technology" these days. Come on: putting together a fog generator and a projector? People have been doing that for art installations on and off for years.

  30. wind can blow away the display by shakuni · · Score: 1

    If my hand can manipulate the displayed application/data then wind can blow it away as well. I mean somebody can literally destroy an application/data (if not the screen) by just throwing something at it. My current computer monitor damage doesnt cause the data loss or damage. Unless, they have biometric authentication combined here so only my hand can do those actions. Combining biometrics makes it really cool.

  31. form factor? by 514x0r · · Score: 1

    will it come as a spunky .96m droid that serves drinks, and shorts messages out if a restraining bolt is attached?

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  33. Water vapor by mookoz · · Score: 1

    The technical pages mention a "particulate system", but other articles I've seen mention water vapor. It's the only logical material one can use in a system like this, otherwise you're going to quickly cover the area around the unit with a haze of whatever material you're using.

    And yes, it would also make sense that a strong breeeze will interfere with the display although probably not much given the speed of the airstream.

    1. Re:Water vapor by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      otherwise you're going to quickly cover the area around the unit with a haze of whatever material you're using.

      Unless prehaps it's a recirculating system- a suction device on the bottom of the display area collects the particles emmitted by the sprayer at the top. There would be some lossage, especially when new users are excitedly waving hands through the image, but it might be able to recover the bulk of the dust and reduce mess in the surroundings.

      (Consider this post prior art if anyone later gets the idea to patent something like this!)

  34. Lightsabers for sale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I also wanted to make a light saber that would really turn on and off (not like those sissy plastic ones where the beam never really goes away.) At the time I really wanted one for halloween. Now I just want one because I do.

    Well, at least you can get the handle of a lightsaber and use your imagination to turn it on and off :-)

  35. Thin Air version : Patent #6,478,432 by Animaether · · Score: 3, Informative
  36. working link by leonardluen · · Score: 1
  37. Great in Seattle, by try it in Boulder Colorado... by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is a cool invention, but it will only work in a calm humid environment. In places like Boulder Colorado or Phoenix, the air is far too dry to sustain a fog. You might get to see whats on the edge of the display, but the fog would evaporate before it got to the other edge. And windy environments (Chicago, Boulder again, and displays near doorways or vents) would disrupt the fog sheet too.

    On the otherhand, this display technology would make a nice swamp cooler for hot summer days.

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  38. Obligatory futurama reference by msgmonkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fry: So you're telling me they broadcast commercials into people's dreams?

    Leela: Of course.

    Fry: But, how is that possible?

    Farnsworth: It's very simple. The ad gets into your brain just like this liquid gets into this egg. [He holds up an egg and injects it with liquid. The egg explodes.] Although in reality it's not liquid, but gamma radiation.

    Fry: That's awful. It's like brainwashing.

    Leela: Didn't you have ads in the 20th century?

    Fry: Well sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio. And in magazines. And movies. And at ball games and on buses and milk cartons and t-shirts and written on the sky. But not in dreams. No siree!

  39. The ORIGINAL Princess Leia distress call by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:The ORIGINAL Princess Leia distress call by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pure genious...

      Can I order a side of goatse with that?

    2. Re:The ORIGINAL Princess Leia distress call by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > The ORIGINAL Princess Leia distress call
      -4 offtopic, +9 Funny-as-hell

      Pure hysteria. Well, maybe not that, but still pretty damned funny.

  40. Thick Air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because the images are dependent on vapor fields, this would be a 3-d image in thick air.

  41. Yeah, they had to put the fish up there... by AzrealAO · · Score: 1

    to cover up the Canadian Geese. The mall scene as shot in the Eaton's Center in Toronto, though the majority of the movie was shot in and around Vancouver.

  42. Talk about political correctness... by pVoid · · Score: 1
    "The whole general display industry is just littered with dead bodies everywhere, and success stories, too," he said.

    <Mr. T> IS THIS GUY SAYING SOMETHING?

    <Dubya> I think he is, Mr. T, I think he is. You know what you gotta do.

  43. Adult Industry Going Nuts by Gr33nNight · · Score: 0

    Oh my god, am I the only one who is thinking about the porno implementations?!

    /faints

  44. Hype by nanojath · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who is generally unimpressed with the various manifestations of these "project on mist" technologies that have come up in a few Slashdot articles? Ooh, aah, look you can project light onto a particulate cloud. Who woulda thunk it? This "projecting images into thin air" thing bugs me. It isn't thin air, it's thick air, that's the point. Projected light, no more space-age than a slide projecter, screen made of mist, no more space-age than a humidifier. It's a novelty. The density of the image by its nature is too low to be usefule as much else than as a novelty, it has a bit of a "looks cool" factor but for any kind of really serious imaging need the clarity, density and brightness of a screen will be worth far more than the "hanging in air" factor, and for 3D the only reasonable technology to pursue is binocular imaging, either with goggles or glasses and a split screen.

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  45. That's not what they say in Ishtar Terra... by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
    It isn't thin air, it's thick air,

    Tell that to a Venusian. :-) All things are relative.

    God damn, but I'm a geek! :-o

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  46. What! by Enrico+Pulatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ok, the fog screen costs 100 grand, and a mime has one? How the hell did he afford that? Finland must be the place to annoy the hell out of people for profit.

  47. Backprojected mist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can clearly see the mist curtain on the edges of these videos linked from Google cache (esp. on the rotating planet video). You can also make out some distortion that hints at the nature of the oblique projection system. In this prototype, it seems as though the projection might come from the left of the screen. Also see US patent #6478432.

  48. An image from SIGGRAPH 2003 of a fog screen by Genjurosan · · Score: 0

    While I was at SIGGRAPH, I snapped this picture.

    Even though this is a dupe story, some people may have not seen the previous story.

  49. Primary use = porn! by Hell+O'World · · Score: 1

    Researchers say the heliodisplay can be used to interact with images of movie stars and others.
    Yeah, "others".

  50. Use in space travel by Yanray · · Score: 1

    Could astronauts finally have a means to meaningfully interact with people on the ground. We can finally lock them in a small room with an interactive version of thier girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/husband and get all the talk they want on the 6-8 month trip to mars. Now all we have to do is make a program that can acticipate answers from our loved ones.

    (Actually programming the answers for my last few girlfriends would drive me nuts.)

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    1. Re:Use in space travel by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      Could astronauts finally have a means to meaningfully interact with people on the ground. We can finally lock them in a small room with an interactive version of thier [sic] girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/husband and get all the talk they want on the 6-8 month trip to mars. Now all we have to do is make a program that can acticipate answers from our loved ones.

      I presume by that last sentence you mean an interactive simulation of a love one, rather than a live display of the real thing. With Mars anywhere from 3 to 20 light minutes away from earth, any kid of interactive dialog with the real loved one on Earth would be pretty slow.

  51. I disagree and it's a 2D image!! by spineboy · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I don't think this will be useful for surgeons. We learn the best way possible - you stick your hands right into the action (under the guidance of the attending surgeon, of course).

    It's only a 2D image anyway, and it appears to me that it's main difference is that it doesn't need a screen. There is no surgeon in the world that I know of, that would obscure the surgical field with yet another thing to block their vision. So if applicable to learning surgery, it would have to be in a non-operative setting, and so not having a screen isn't very important at all.

    There are many other things of much more importance to a budding surgeon - such as the organ texture, learning how to suture, trying to identify the diseased thing that you're holding in your hand, how things behave, etc. No one in the surgical field will bother with this, I don't think I would and I love computers/gadgets. Sorry.

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  52. Already done by Pionar · · Score: 0

    Anyone who watches Real Time w/ Bill Maher on HBO knows that he already does this. BFD!

    1. Re:Already done by Nexus+Seven · · Score: 1

      Projecting onto a glass screen is hardly the same thing.

    2. Re:Already done by Pionar · · Score: 0

      psst... I was making a joke.

  53. Popular Finnish Mime? by JustAnotherReader · · Score: 0, Funny
    A popular Finnish mime has even integrated the FogScreen into a performance.

    Hmmm. "Popular", "Finnish", "Mime"

    I understand each of those words individually, but as a sentence they just don't compute. During all the time I've spent in Finland I remember tango music, polkas, The Lenningrad Cowboys, Muikut (small fish eaten whole. Don't eat Muikut no matter how many people tell you "It's a delicacy"). But I certainly don't remember any popular Finnish Mime. Unless they're talking about former president Marti Attisari.

    Oh well, Anteksi, Mina en osa Soumi hyva (Finnish for "Sorry, I don't speak Finnish very well).

  54. Star Wars? by Andrewkov · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, I always wanted a 3D projection of a grainy, breaking-up, static-y video which gets stuck in a loop... Well, maybe if Pricess Leia was naked..

  55. Video Links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The they have taken down their video links, but google's cache still has the links (they didn't remove the files, just the links)

    http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:XrJFjivCYdsJ: www.io2technology.com/video-images.htm+&hl=en&ie=U TF-8

  56. I say it's Vaporware! by objekt · · Score: 3, Funny

    But it's a good kind of vaporware!

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  57. Always wanted one of these! by palad1 · · Score: 1

    "Ever since the movie 'Star Wars' came out and there was a distress call from Princess Leia," -- generated in thin air by the robot R2D2 -- "people all over the world have been wanting one of these."
    Do you know any single geek that did not want to get one of those 'Princess Leia' thingeee?

    Always wanted one of these!!!
    [props to all majesty players on /. :)]

  58. old news... by i4u · · Score: 0

    yahoo had the story one month ago. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030807/lath090_1.html story and photos on I4U: http://www.i4u.com/article615.html

  59. Re:Not grousing - want info. by Mac+Degger · · Score: 0

    Easy: you send me money. My bank account no. is xx.xx.xx.xxx.

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  60. Re:Great in Seattle, by try it in Boulder Colorado by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree that the low humidy might slightly effect the length of the display but I think windy environments aren't that big of an issue inside an office or large room no matter where you are.

  61. May be a scam by Animats · · Score: 1
    All the articles about this technology seem to echo press releases for the company, which has not, apparently, shown the technology publicly. That's suspicious.

    Projection onto a thin curtain of falling water has been done a few times, but it's not a generally applicable technology. Projecting onto a thin layer of fog moving at high speed should work, but having a fog machine on your desk is likely to be annoying.

    This could be a nice nightclub effect, but as a desktop device, it probably won't go anywhere.

  62. the company and more background by yorkrj · · Score: 3, Informative

    Metafilter posted an article about this in August.
    And since the CNN article doesn't seem to mention a link to the company: Fogscreen

    Maybe it's the shiny new website but it looks like they've significantly improved the "smoothness" of the fog since I last saw the photos.

  63. Re:Great in Seattle, by try it in Boulder Colorado by imsabbel · · Score: 1

    normaly, one would use such kind of display INDOORS, where the wind SHOULD not be a problem. If it is, get some walls.

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  64. Ummm...I smell a problem (literally perhaps) by dnaboy · · Score: 1
    Scenario 1:
    OK. Neat. I want one in my house. Wait... Let me think for a second. Fog machine in my house...That will make condensation...Condensation will make my wallboards rot...rotting wallboards will make mildew form...mildew stinks...


    Scenario 2:
    Take your dry ice (knock us back to the stone ages by having ice delivered to our houses every day or so)...Make your fog wall...Lay back and feel the oxygen slowly leave the room...Sleep, sleep my fiend...Die...Dry ice runs out...Oxygen slowly creeps back in...Rot...Stink...


    Either way it's going to stink. The only question is whether you'll be there to smell it.

  65. A video clip of the demonstration by jsse · · Score: 1

    Although all video clips have been taken away from their official site due to "flood of webtraffic", you can still download a video from there directly. :)

    Enjoy, and be nice. :)

    1. Re:A video clip of the demonstration by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > you can still download a video from there directly. :)

      Not any more.

  66. The Fog Screen At Siggraph by citizen6350 · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine saw the screen at Siggraph, he said the fog they used to create the screen smelled awful.

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  67. No, the holodeck is mostly images and force fields by caveat · · Score: 2, Informative

    The TNG tech manual has a whole chapter on the holodeck - it uses a close relative of the replicators on board to make items that need to be interacted with or removed from the Holodeck, but for terrain, surroundings, and most objects, the Holodeck creates a photorealistic hologram, which is then given "solidity" by the careful use of aimed force/tractor beams. That's why you can have an apparently infinite world inside the deck - you're standing on a forcefield "treadmill" that moves as you do. God, I'm so lame.

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  68. Seen one... by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    ..and taken this picture of the screen in Tampere, Finland. It was big enough to walk through, in which case some steam would condense onto you. IIRC the layer of steam was kept in place by air currents on both sides.

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  69. YOURE JUST ANOTHER VICTIM KID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pack em up pack em in, let me begin, come battle me THATS A SIN.

  70. What, do I smell funny? by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

    2003-09-10 17:56:38 Plugged In: Making a Video Screen Out of Thin Air (articles,science) (rejected)

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  71. Re:No, the holodeck is mostly images and force fie by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 1

    So how does the doctor get kidnapped and placed in one building while others are still in the street (as seen in the episode with Moriarty). The holodeck appears to be only 30 feet in the longest direction. Simulating distance between two real objects must heat up the ol' processors on the holodeck computer while trying to generate a forced perspective to create the illusion of distance. And create such perspective from multiple viewpoints for each of the other real people in the holodeck.

    I'm a big fan of Star Trek, but the holodeck is still simply science fiction to me. I still leave out a little hope though. After all, when I got my first LCD digital watch in 1977 (they were only B&W at the time) you couldn't convince me one bit that someday, someone would make a color LCD display.

  72. How the hell...? by SlipJig · · Score: 1

    From the site:
    ...the device can provide discreet, private viewing by projecting an image viewable to one side only.

    I thought it was impressive enough that they could project an image into thin air without anything to reflect against. But how the hell do they make it visible only on one side? What technology are they using? Some kind of laser interferometry?

    I think I need to see one of these live.

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  73. Already working in my home by cyranose · · Score: 1

    I don't know what all the fuss is about. For at least five years now, I've projected images into thin air. Of course, I have a little help from my "photon reversal mechanism" hanging on the wall -- but the photons all float in mid air right to my eye. Amazing stuff. Good contrast ratio too. In my case, it cost $40 for a 250 thread king size sheet and four stiff pieces of wood.

  74. As Seen on TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember seeing this exact thing on several episodes of Spielburg's SeaQuest series. I am sure that I saw Rob Schriener intracting with an AI projected onto a fog screen in several episodes. (yes, I admit it. I watched SeaQuest.)

  75. That's Strange... by Tellalian · · Score: 1

    The walk-through screen, despite a surge in interest, may also fail ... The whole general display industry is just littered with dead bodies everywhere, and success stories, too.

    Whoa there! Back-up. How many dead bodies? Like, a lot? Can you see the ground, or do you need to dig through them to get to the success stories?

  76. Even more amazing.... by XipX · · Score: 2, Funny
    A popular Finnish mime has even integrated the FogScreen into a performance.

    Popular mime?
  77. My friend just told me about this: by luckyguesser · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I showed the /. article to my friend and he mentioned that he remembers an old (1991 I think) Sony arcade game called Hologram Time Travelers.
    In this game, the characters and landscape all floated in midair, there was no screen. He said he liked poking them while they walked around. Here's a couple links about the game:
    first one
    second one

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    1. Re:My friend just told me about this: by luckyguesser · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hmm links are wrong.
      Here are the links:
      first link
      second one

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  79. A Wired article by danila · · Score: 1

    There is a Wired article: Look Ma, No Projection Screen with some details about two companies and an interesting photo.

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  80. nonsense by penguin7of9 · · Score: 1

    Given the glass sphere that surrounds it, that looks like your usual project-onto-quickly-rotating-thingy kind of 3D display. All of this stuff has been thought of decades ago, and there is no innovation here. It's only that prices and computers have finally come down enough that it makes sense to produce some, at least for specialty markets.

  81. RTFA by dkermit007 · · Score: 1

    RTFA numbnuts...it's just ambient air.

    1. Re:RTFA by grub · · Score: 1


      Dear retard,
      I was wondering if it was a mist, fog, etc. It is not just projected onto "ambient air" as the light needs to hit something to reflect to your eyes. duh

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    2. Re:RTFA by dkermit007 · · Score: 1

      Dear bigger retard,
      Quote from the article you didn't read verry well "The machine modifies the air above a video projector..."
      And a direct link to clarify. LINK!!!
      Hell it says in the HEADER "Video Screen in Thin Air." The /. crowd has it's IQ slip more and more every day...

    3. Re:RTFA by grub · · Score: 1

      Dear biggest retard,
      I did read the article. My question was about the "modifies the air" line. It must do something to have the light from the projector reflect back, it can't just hit plain air without passing through.

      Remember this lovely exchange when the facts come out, I shall.

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    4. Re:RTFA by dkermit007 · · Score: 1

      Click the link moron. You'd be astonished what you could learn. "What we can disclose is that the device modifies the properties of air within a localized environment. Air comes into the device, is ejected and illuminated using a proprietary technique in which the photons and air produce the visible image. There is no harmful gas or liquid. Nothing needs to be refilled. It is just ambient air. The image, furthermore, is interactive as a virtual touchscreen allowing a hand or finger to be used as a mouse."

  82. no, that's not it by penguin7of9 · · Score: 1

    That patent uses two parabolic mirrors, but it isn't even about the "floating in air" bit, it's about dynamic interaction with the "floatin in air" bit. The parabolic mirror technique is an old magician's trick, and the interactive bit is a trivial and obvious extension. None of that has even anything to do with the MIT stuff.

  83. Pilots by nycsubway · · Score: 1

    I've often thought about how well these simulators work. My guess is not as well as they should. I'm thinking of a video I've seen where a Boeing Jet was involved in a large scale crash test in the desert.

    The documentary that I've seen says that the plane was supposed to land correctly (without landing gear) and simulate a crashlanding without landing gear. At the last moment before landing, the plane makes a large move sideways and the pilot attempts to correct it and the plane ends up skidding down the runway sideways, completely changing the results of their crash test.

    The pilot was in a replica of the cockpit many miles away, flying the plane by way of a simulator.

    My question has always been.. How could the pilot have screwed that up? Landing is something they know how to do. I doubt this pilot was a rookie. It was the simulator that was different. It wasn't the real plane, so it behaved differently.

    I wouldn't want to train a surgeon using one of these devices. I'd rather the surgeon learn of real cadavers like all other doctors. A simulator is not going to produce the accurate feel needed to learn the motions.

  84. Bah, there's enough computer there by caveat · · Score: 1

    Well, the Enterprise has more than enough computing power - there's three 12-deck high faster-than-light optical computer banks (of course it's pure sci-fi); the holodeck is also noted as being "computationally intensive". Wonder if it can handle Doom MMMMCCLXIII?

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  85. THERE IS NO FOG PEOPLE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I quote from the web site:

    "Air comes into the device, is ejected and illuminated using a proprietary technique in which the photons and air produce the visible image. There is no harmful gas or liquid. Nothing needs to be refilled. It is just ambient air."

  86. you can walk through walls by teko_teko · · Score: 1

    If in the future this technology is made into 3d and implemented for games, for example: a 3d shooter game, people can walk through the walls.

    VR technology might be more appropriate for games.

  87. SEAQUEST DSV Captain's Monitor by kalieaire · · Score: 1

    Has anyone watched SeaQuest DSV? They had a similar monitor in the Captain's Quarters!

  88. It's been done by _Sexy_Pants_ · · Score: 1

    I mean, haven't you guys ever seen that magical elf in the Ripleys museums

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  89. Star Wars? Logan's Run! by happyclam · · Score: 1

    Shoot, the 3d projected image is OK, but ever since I saw a real woman materialize in Logan 5's apartment in Logan Run, I've wanted one of THOSE things.

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  90. Why this isn't R2D2 by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

    The 'fog machine meets projector' tech is not stereoscopic 3D so its limited to generated CGI. So there's no "Help me Obi-Wan" type 3D image recording that could be done with two or more cameras, just digital avatars at best. 3D videoconferencing will have to look elsewhere.

    There have been a few articles on /. regarding steroscopic 3D screens and projectors and frankly the term 3D is just misused too much. Maybe we need something like CG3D to clarify.

  91. Really 3D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some time ago i posted a short message about a company wich has mid-air projection in a somewhat other way. The technology allready exists commercially etc.

    These people showed video's and pictures where there's someone snapping a lighter on and off wich is projected by one of their panels. It sounds quite a lot more wild then it actually was but in itself it was incredible enough since this company went commercial YEARS ago. It's about twice as thick as a LCD display sitting on your desk.

    Could not trace back the URL but you'll know when you'll find it. Products and video's of mid-air project images. If i remember really well this technology combined some form of induction with laser to make the projections appear.

  92. bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this will not happen while I still have my high-winds generator and earthquake machine that I ordered from Art Bell two years ago. *FLASH* Uhm, I did not say that...

  93. fog in a glass bowl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, not necessarily in a glass bowl, but it would work if the fog was contained in any glass structure as to keep it from escaping. Then there would be an anti-moisture technology that would need to be created just to keep the dew on the glass from distorting the projected image. Ah...then we know how both lame and creative this technology is. Maybe, this tech is only good for UNDERWATER ENVIRONMENTS, such as for people whose jobs require diving in water? Or how about, this technology could be used as a shark repellant for surfers by projecting a baby killer whale underneath the surfboard?

    In the long run, they will probably discover that they should ditch the h20 fog and replace it with some form of innert gas that has a slight red or green or blue tinge that allows the image to be projected. Better yet, maybe they should try projecting the image in an environment with a vacuum? Oh wow! I'll patent that one! Yes! I'll be rich&@#$, oh wait...back to square one: cathode ray tubes.

    Maybe we should all just continue participating in the paper monopoly by printing the images on paper at 1 frame per second, recycle the paper, and print again?

  94. Slashdot Wuz Hereeee by its_the_muppet_show · · Score: 1
    SITE NOTE: Due to the flood of recent webtraffic (>3.5MM hits/day; >0.25 terabyte bandwidth; as of September 15) and associated cost, we have greatly streamlined the IO2 website

    Be afraid... very afraid.

  95. Vanilla Sky had one of these. by JessLeah · · Score: 1

    ...in the party scene, where the Tom Cruise character is celebrating his birthday. It's displaying a jazz singer, and one of the characters puts her hand right through the beam, blocking a bit of the image while her hand is in place. (So clearly it's "projected" like this).

  96. Re:No, the holodeck is mostly images and force fie by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

    I'm a big fan of Star Trek, but the holodeck is still simply science fiction to me.
    Same here.

    But given that the people of the Enterprise can project force over a distance (either to generate interia against an object, or simply emit visible light), then the holodeck becomes a simple problem of software engineering. (Those two capabilities are trivial in comparison to the "shields" and "transporter" they already had)

    Upon entering, each user is shuffled off to a corner by forcefields under his feet, so the total capacity of a 10x10 meter room is nearly 100 persons. He doesn't notice the movement, because remotely-generated light is being projected directly into his retinas. Simlarly, his body has been wrapped by a form-fitting force-field, which blocks the sensation of moving air. The patterns generated by those projectors match a digitaly simulated copy of the actual room, but loading different software will inject other 3d models into the simulated display.

    The system could've been implemented more compactly as just little tubes surrounding the user (prehaps built into every bunk?), but the designers must've wanted to prevent feelings of claustrophobia.

    Note that the plotline of holodeck episodes often focused on whether or not the safety-checks were still enabled- that's a piece of software which prevented the tacticle forcefield from impinging on anyone's vital organs, or blocking the flow of air through the nose.

  97. People everywhere? by Fastball · · Score: 1
    people all over the world have been wanting one of these

    We have?

  98. Tampere also have an anti-gravity device by waimate · · Score: 1
    Tampere University is also the place which claimed to discover an anti-gravity effect. Make of that what you will, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I'd be very interested to hear from anyone who has actually seen the IO2 device in person, not just heresay from the founder.

    There's some strange things being said, eg: "But if you see it, and even accounting for all the issues surrounding it being a hand-built prototype, you will be amazed." What issues surround a hand-built prototype? So the wiring is on veroboard rather than PCB. So the case looks a little utilitarian. So there's no setup program and there's wires going everywhere. So what. If it works as claimed, then it's amazing, regardless of the build-quality. If it doesn't work as claimed, then it's not because it's hand-built - it's because its bunkum.

  99. Re:No, the holodeck is mostly images and force fie by PhoenixOne · · Score: 1

    >So how does the doctor get kidnapped and placed in one building while others are still in the street (as seen in the episode with Moriarty). Um, because it is a TV show and not real life? ;)

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  100. Vapourware? by complete+loony · · Score: 1

    All this just sounds like vapourware to me ;)

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  101. it uses fog, you moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is a display in /thick/ air!

  102. Neither by Namarrgon · · Score: 1
    If it works as claimed, then it's amazing, regardless of the build-quality. If it doesn't work as claimed, then it's not because it's hand-built - it's because its bunkum.

    Or it works as intended, but you've misinterpreted their claims to mean something more amazing than it really is. Which may be deliberate, on their part.

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  103. speak for yourself, Agent Provocateur... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

    Ever since the movie 'Star Wars' came out and there was a distress call from Princess Leia," -- generated in thin air by the robot R2D2 -- "people all over the world have been wanting one of these."

    Speak for yourself, Agent Provocateur. You can keep the Star Wars holograms; I'd rather have the computer from "Time Cop" myself... :)

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  104. It's Called A... by H8X55 · · Score: 0

    Projector!!!

  105. Actual /. effect numbers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the IO2 Technology Website as of 9/16/03 8:05PM PDT:

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  106. My new all-time favourite line by MacGod · · Score: 1
    "A popular Finnish mime has even integrated the FogScreen into a performance."

    A Popular Finnish mime?

    Wow.

    Well, I guess they got the Scandinavian street performer market locked up then!

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  107. Not a Fog Screen! by theolein · · Score: 2, Informative

    The io2 device does not seem to be a fog screen, in spite or perhaps because of thousands of /. ravers ranting "fog screen, fog screen, fog screen".

    The site claims modfication of air and photons by a proprietry device, whatever thay may be. I have an idea that it's either similar to the fog screen but uses a heated column of air or else uses some kind of electrostatic principle.

  108. How I would build a lightsaber (well, kinda ;-) by sexecutioner · · Score: 1

    I'm a physicist and there is nothing that I have learn that tells me that this wouldn't be possible.

    Obviously you don't stop the photons, but there are much cooler things that you can do that'd give the same effect.

    Try this one: two coherent and high power laser beams are emitted from the handle. The power is selected so that a single beam doesn't do much, but when two cross they constructively interfere and the intensity is enough to ionise atoms in the air (which atoms and what wavelength laser to use would be a part of the design). Scan them back and forth across each other; two beams could do a pretty good triangular blade and with more you could make more complicated patterns.

    The properties of ionised atoms are very well undertsood and these can be exploited to, surprise, surprise, give off light.

    Perhaps you would need to shine a third laser (of undetermined wavelength - I'm obviously just thinking this idea over) through the cloud of ionised atoms to initiate photon emission at the frequency you want.

    So there, it could be done. The only hard bit would be a power source for all that laser action and refining the beam control optics to give a good shape to the "blade".

    What do you think?

    1. Re:How I would build a lightsaber (well, kinda ;-) by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 1

      Hey, that's awesome. I am also a physicist, but I had never thought of this. I always thought of a cylindrical beam, but then their's not way to terminate it at the end. But several crossed beams would work.

      Thanks for the idea!

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  109. Hardware Wars by Benwick · · Score: 1

    That's what they did to make the light sabers in Hardware Wars (by Ernie Fosselius). Flashlight + mist = light saber.