Personally I think a centralized version of this idea would work better. Being decentralized, people can really easily abuse the system to steal dvds.
1) Register account.
2) Start a bunch of trades with people all at once.
3) Send out a bunch of empty boxes.
4) Take DVDs and run for the hills.
A centralized system would allow the company to authenticate users and build a trust system. They could keep a bunch of extra DVDs around to replace damaged/misplaced disks (at a service charge, of course). They could use cheaper postage through shipping companies which means the user gets more bang for his buck. Just request a box, the next day fill it with DVDs, on the computer invoice tell which DVD goes where and what you are getting from who in trade, and ship. Wait a day or two and for your traded DVDs to come in the mail.
A system like this could also prevent pirated DVDs from being shipped around, and would probably have a better profit model. Hell, I wouldn't mind running a company like this myself! Pair it with an Ebay store and/or an internet cafe here in town and I might be in the money (allowing for local pickup of DVDs, like a movie store!). Seems like a good idea to me.
Weeds out the people who are just throwing something together.. the US Govt. should take their hint and do this with the DARPA project, though, with already resource strained teams it might not be as great an idea. Maybe only a hundred dollars or so.
Besides, unlike gambling, this $300 could have a much larger payout, and if your idea's good enough it can probably be used here on Earth as well, and might be worth some money to escavation companies (if you aren't one of those companies anyways).
But the thing is, it's not like you're losing any oxygen from the system. When we go back to the moon it will be in a sealed environment, and the oxygen will probably be used to grow plants and sanitize things just as much as its used for breathing. You don't need to dig up more than you need to sustain yourself plus a little extra for emergency purposes.
On the other hand, the moon is rich in certain minerals and it might be lucrative to keep going and extracting oxygen simply because it enables you to get to the minerals better, which allows you to grow the moon compound.
Of course, we won't see any of this in our lifetime; we might get back to the moon, but a permanant moonbase is still years and years off.
How hard will it be to put those algos in a video ipod? How cheaply (and efficiently, size-wise) can Apple fit an HD video decoder into an ipod?
It can be done, but not cheaply, and the chips would seriously stress the currently limited spaces within the iPod. Not to mention that HD chips are currently pretty expensive, and you'd need to more than double the processing power in the iPod to effectively playback video and audio and have them synchronized (probably more so for HD as it has more than double the resolution).
So while I would expect movies on the iPod are still a while off, I would like to speculate on why they have buttons for video in iTunes. My guess is they're trying to turn iTunes into iMedia, where further iPhoto integration and movie integration will allow you to find any audio, image, or combination of the two, easily and effectively. I believe that Jobs is probably working on a model to sell TV shows, Music Videos and Movies through iTunes Music Store, but I believe it will be at least a year off (expect Apple to explode with life come 2006).
But, shipping with Bluetooth would be really awesome for cellphone compatibility and wireless headphones. I don't mind plugging in my iPod to sync it, but I hate having to carry around a cable tying my arms up. Yes, I know logitech has a set of wireless headphones, but I'm not paying 150 dollars for them (they're ugly and clunky).
With Bluetooth, you could make a small program so that you can search for music on your iPod. You could make it so that when the phone rings the iPod's volume dims. Simple conviencences like this would be nice to have.
..kinda. iTunes lets anyone who makes music submit their music to iTunes database now. This really cuts out any kind of middleman, and the people who want to hear music, get the music they want.
Of course, becoming an actual record label might not be a good idea. First of all you have legal issues with Apple (I doubt Apple could afford to buy Apple Records), then you have the "expected" crap that artists get; the cars and the image and all of that junk. Then you have to fight with MTV and the RIAA to get any playtime. And by the time you've gone through the whole cycle, you're just as bad as the record companies that exist now.
iTunes is allowing the model of music to change. Instead of skimming as much as possible, and giving it back in the way of highly-discounted cars, album deals, etc, Apple can just let the consumers consume. And the artist gets the big part of the money made. Win-Win if you ask me.
Mame is mostly full of arcade games and games for old gaming systems like nintendo and such.
Meanwhile, there is a while world of games outside of these; games like World of Warcraft and Counter Strike and all of those other trendy teen games.
So while Mame may be a great gaming system, it is far from all-inclusive, and there will always be a taste for a game that Mame can't provide.
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Your logic is counter-intuitive. You don't want this crapola on your computer, and yet, you mind there is a list telling you where to find this crapola. You could just as easily use the list to BLOCK the crap from your machine instead of actually installing it, so why are you so upset?
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Oh please, SVG has taken the Open Source world ages to get rolling on, and it is still in very small support, now a competing standard from Microsoft comes along and the Open Source Community and Apple are supposed to just jump on the bandwagon? Please.
If anything, once SVG gets mainstreamed in Firefox, Safari and Opera (I'm pretty sure Konq already has it), it will completely undermine Windows developers from using XAML.
Hell, my school barely went into any detail at all about Vietnam or Korea, nor Desert Storm, but Luckily my grandfather and in the latter, my father, served in those wars to get perspective.
The "cold war", to say, was not something at all taught by our school. As most of the information is classified, and as it's slowly making its way into textbooks, I would hope the current generation will learn a lot more about it, but, unfortunately, I was a victim of a small budget school (yes, a victim; nothing worse than a terrible basis education for a higher education to be built on..)
But at least their rights have been maintained. I don't like saying that because it sounds like an endorsment for child abuse, but the truth is that your rights are more important than being politically correct all of the time.
Your comment is kind of a loaded one; "so, when did you stop beating your wife" sort of comment. Some people find that spanking their children is well within their rights. The government morally has to stand up to those same people and say when enough is enough, and when spanking becomes beating. Thus, people who spank are less likely to use the system as well.
People not opting into the system should obviously flag concerns about the system as a whole. Of course, there are always criminals; people that break bail, that break probation, people who feel outside the law. But you're going to get that even with a manditory registration, it just won't be as obvious; "you had your child at home and didn't tell anyone until today, when you tried to register him for school? good heavens woman are you daft?" And blunders like that one will have to be addressed.
I could continue arguing this point, but I feel I'm drumming to a deaf ear.
Look at all the different units! WoaHHs, PatEoTSs, even um
Is that pronounced "pateots" like potatos in a convoluted way, or is it one of those French/Latin/Italian words with waayy too many letters and an extremely simple pronounciation like "potatos"?;)
You're right, but a robot isn't what you think it is either, for that matter. Robots are generally automatons, doing what they are told, whereas android is the word we use for robots that make their own decisions.
This line is kinda blurred though, by robots who don't fit well into either being microcontrolled by a set of computers and code laid before them by humans, or robots who entirely think for themselves and perform tasks. They show these on the discovery channel a lot; engineered intellegence built like an insect that continously marches forward, "learning" how to negotiate objects.
That being said, it is still a very interesting device, and calling it a Waldo might even help ease up on some of the dullness of the research they are doing. Someone could come into the office and yell "WHERES WALDO"? And everyone would panic thinking you dropped the petri dish that it was in...
you say in parent post that your comment was adressed at the "world as a society". yet you specifically write in your original post: "This information is a combination of things that us Americans see as private and need things such as subpenas to see". in the context of an atricle about NL, can you understand that this seems to contradict what you say now? and can you understand that this can sound condescending to someone who lives in a very well-developed country that is (in)famous worldwide for its liberal and tolerant attitude?
In my original post, I intended the statement about the need for a subpena for medical records in connection to an ongoing police matter was meant only in that connection; a lot of other countries have different rules for their legal systems, and I didn't want to stub my toe on one of those cases here. In doing so, I gave the most obvious example I could come up with (the American legal system), as it is almost ubiqitious in television, at least on this side of the pond.
That being said, if it weren't for this system you have now, I honestly wouldn't mind living in your country either, but I am certain there would be quite an anti-American buzz in the community that I moved into, and that's just a part of the issue I was trying to get at by inequity. It's not so much that your people are flawed in this, it is that people in a whole are flawed in this. We fear what is different to us, and it makes us weak as a whole.
Racism isn't one of my favorite points either, it just fit the bill so well here. This technology is the perfect tool for a racial discriminatory system to work with, and that just irks me. If we were machines we'd learn each other's interfaces and be done with it for the current generation, making sure the next generation was built specifically to deal with the differences encountered, but sadly, we are humans, and we let emotions made a lot of these kinds of decisions for us. And at 5:16am in the morning after a long night of coding, often times all you are left to run on is emotion, in this case, disgust for the overwhelming power the Dutch has handed to their government. I know, it shouldn't concern me as much, I'm a dirty American Liberal, but I can just imagine Bush or one of my politicians using the Dutch as an example to import the system, and that's something my mind is simply not equipped to handle. One fight for digital rights at a time, please.
Thanks for your oh so insightful post, but you've been beaten to the jab of torturing me for the fact that slashdot doesn't have an edit button to add a 5 letter addition in the front of the word "nazi", namely being "post-".
secondly, I have already said these very same words 3 times, and it's getting really old. my guess is that there will be 10 more people at least to correct me tonight, and I will just yawn and go to sleep like I should have an hour ago.
Thirdly, it really must be a proximity issue, because 3 non-americans have corrected me, but yet nary a single one has. I was personally never taught anything about the Stasi in school; more emphasis was put on WWII and what happened during it, less on what happened after it. One would think France, Germany and Italy disappeared from the face of the globe if you heard my history professor.
POST-Nazi. Okay people, it's 4 in the AM, I made an error. Get off your horses and back onto the point. It is an obscure point; I don't remember it ever being taught in my schooling. I retract my statement in full, and I hope that people DIDNT find the link as a helpful thing because everyone knows I obviously didn't get a chance to read it before i hit the post button. Thanks for being a prick.
Wow I hadn't realized the climate was that bad outside of our country. Certainly makes it interesting.
The "liberal" media here is being very quiet about their dislike of Bush, mainly because their latest attempts to quash everything Bush stands for has failed and failed again. The US Liberals as a whole are a very loose, disenfranchised group now; the "Democrats" as a political party are finally succumbing to the pressure of having compontents to the far left, and moderates.
This is causing a stir of emotions really. Essentially, the Republican party can railroad our government into anything at this point in time. They've got the House of Representatives, the Senate, the Executive Branch entirely, and with Robert's confirmation and the next Judicial candidate yet to be picked, we are looking at a very conservative American future.
I still feel that Bush's popularity isn't as fueled by the media; even in the light of the Katrina disaster and Bush's completely pathetic response, Bush has yet to take a political hit from this. The liberals are not pushing the issue, and the conservatives are standing up in support of Bush. Tie this with the fact that Bush is really a lame-duck and the fact that everyone's already worrying and discussing the 2008 Presidential Election with continued furvor, and you can see that Bush has lost a great deal of his potency. Hopefully, though, in contrast to his past 2 years of his first term, they won't be as explosive this time around. I hope to see a lot of the heat that the US is taking to cool down, to get more international news flowing again, and to get a sense that the rest of the world isn't just looking for a reason to do us in..;)
Not trolling, but also not being Dutch, and being an American citizen of multiple racial heritages, I can tell you that the climate here is incredibly bad towards racism and sexism, and it is in the ways you wouldn't possibly think it would be.
That being said, you may not be able to see the sexism or racism yourself because you haven't sat on but one side of that fence your entire life. The Dutch are a people that are greatly of the same descendance, much more than here persay. And while you say you care about the weaker, have you ever been to a ghetto and seen the situation for yourself? Have you given your time recently? How about your blood?
As such, what I said isn't a "stupid blatant lie", it is a matter of opinion based on what I know about the racial climate worldwide at this point in time. Racism hasn't been a hot-button for a while now, but now that terrorism is one, racism is built into most peoples assumption of it. "Terrorists" can be profiled by pre-teens here in America, for example.
When I spoke earlier, I meant no offense to your society, but as a comment of the world as a society. This entire planet is filled with people who think they are better than someone else because their skin is a different color, their religion is the 'truer' one, their accents are more proper than the bourgeois, or because their sex is superior. While you may feel your country is populated with a much smaller perecentage of these people, I am certain you would be shocked and amazed when your electronic registration system goes into place and automatically identifies these people for you;).
So please, before you say that I'm overplaying an issue, imagine what it's like for people on the other side of the issue, and then go ahead and make your claims against my post.
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You can do that already with a GBA SP..
Just don't expect it to continue working afterwards..
Personally I think a centralized version of this idea would work better. Being decentralized, people can really easily abuse the system to steal dvds.
1) Register account.
2) Start a bunch of trades with people all at once.
3) Send out a bunch of empty boxes.
4) Take DVDs and run for the hills.
A centralized system would allow the company to authenticate users and build a trust system. They could keep a bunch of extra DVDs around to replace damaged/misplaced disks (at a service charge, of course). They could use cheaper postage through shipping companies which means the user gets more bang for his buck. Just request a box, the next day fill it with DVDs, on the computer invoice tell which DVD goes where and what you are getting from who in trade, and ship. Wait a day or two and for your traded DVDs to come in the mail.
A system like this could also prevent pirated DVDs from being shipped around, and would probably have a better profit model. Hell, I wouldn't mind running a company like this myself! Pair it with an Ebay store and/or an internet cafe here in town and I might be in the money (allowing for local pickup of DVDs, like a movie store!). Seems like a good idea to me.
Weeds out the people who are just throwing something together.. the US Govt. should take their hint and do this with the DARPA project, though, with already resource strained teams it might not be as great an idea. Maybe only a hundred dollars or so.
Besides, unlike gambling, this $300 could have a much larger payout, and if your idea's good enough it can probably be used here on Earth as well, and might be worth some money to escavation companies (if you aren't one of those companies anyways).
But the thing is, it's not like you're losing any oxygen from the system. When we go back to the moon it will be in a sealed environment, and the oxygen will probably be used to grow plants and sanitize things just as much as its used for breathing. You don't need to dig up more than you need to sustain yourself plus a little extra for emergency purposes.
On the other hand, the moon is rich in certain minerals and it might be lucrative to keep going and extracting oxygen simply because it enables you to get to the minerals better, which allows you to grow the moon compound.
Of course, we won't see any of this in our lifetime; we might get back to the moon, but a permanant moonbase is still years and years off.
+1 for Boondock Reference.
How hard will it be to put those algos in a video ipod? How cheaply (and efficiently, size-wise) can Apple fit an HD video decoder into an ipod?
It can be done, but not cheaply, and the chips would seriously stress the currently limited spaces within the iPod. Not to mention that HD chips are currently pretty expensive, and you'd need to more than double the processing power in the iPod to effectively playback video and audio and have them synchronized (probably more so for HD as it has more than double the resolution).
So while I would expect movies on the iPod are still a while off, I would like to speculate on why they have buttons for video in iTunes. My guess is they're trying to turn iTunes into iMedia, where further iPhoto integration and movie integration will allow you to find any audio, image, or combination of the two, easily and effectively. I believe that Jobs is probably working on a model to sell TV shows, Music Videos and Movies through iTunes Music Store, but I believe it will be at least a year off (expect Apple to explode with life come 2006).
But, shipping with Bluetooth would be really awesome for cellphone compatibility and wireless headphones. I don't mind plugging in my iPod to sync it, but I hate having to carry around a cable tying my arms up. Yes, I know logitech has a set of wireless headphones, but I'm not paying 150 dollars for them (they're ugly and clunky).
With Bluetooth, you could make a small program so that you can search for music on your iPod. You could make it so that when the phone rings the iPod's volume dims. Simple conviencences like this would be nice to have.
..kinda. iTunes lets anyone who makes music submit their music to iTunes database now. This really cuts out any kind of middleman, and the people who want to hear music, get the music they want.
Of course, becoming an actual record label might not be a good idea. First of all you have legal issues with Apple (I doubt Apple could afford to buy Apple Records), then you have the "expected" crap that artists get; the cars and the image and all of that junk. Then you have to fight with MTV and the RIAA to get any playtime. And by the time you've gone through the whole cycle, you're just as bad as the record companies that exist now.
iTunes is allowing the model of music to change. Instead of skimming as much as possible, and giving it back in the way of highly-discounted cars, album deals, etc, Apple can just let the consumers consume. And the artist gets the big part of the money made. Win-Win if you ask me.
Quick, start selling Tinfoil hats!!!!.. for WALLET!!!
Eh, when I first read the blurb I thought they were talking about Quantum Leap and it was only confirming itself talking about communication..
1am is definitely a good bedtime.
Mame is mostly full of arcade games and games for old gaming systems like nintendo and such.
Meanwhile, there is a while world of games outside of these; games like World of Warcraft and Counter Strike and all of those other trendy teen games.
So while Mame may be a great gaming system, it is far from all-inclusive, and there will always be a taste for a game that Mame can't provide.
Your logic is counter-intuitive. You don't want this crapola on your computer, and yet, you mind there is a list telling you where to find this crapola. You could just as easily use the list to BLOCK the crap from your machine instead of actually installing it, so why are you so upset?
Oh please, SVG has taken the Open Source world ages to get rolling on, and it is still in very small support, now a competing standard from Microsoft comes along and the Open Source Community and Apple are supposed to just jump on the bandwagon? Please.
If anything, once SVG gets mainstreamed in Firefox, Safari and Opera (I'm pretty sure Konq already has it), it will completely undermine Windows developers from using XAML.
Hell, my school barely went into any detail at all about Vietnam or Korea, nor Desert Storm, but Luckily my grandfather and in the latter, my father, served in those wars to get perspective.
The "cold war", to say, was not something at all taught by our school. As most of the information is classified, and as it's slowly making its way into textbooks, I would hope the current generation will learn a lot more about it, but, unfortunately, I was a victim of a small budget school (yes, a victim; nothing worse than a terrible basis education for a higher education to be built on..)
But at least their rights have been maintained. I don't like saying that because it sounds like an endorsment for child abuse, but the truth is that your rights are more important than being politically correct all of the time.
Your comment is kind of a loaded one; "so, when did you stop beating your wife" sort of comment. Some people find that spanking their children is well within their rights. The government morally has to stand up to those same people and say when enough is enough, and when spanking becomes beating. Thus, people who spank are less likely to use the system as well.
People not opting into the system should obviously flag concerns about the system as a whole. Of course, there are always criminals; people that break bail, that break probation, people who feel outside the law. But you're going to get that even with a manditory registration, it just won't be as obvious; "you had your child at home and didn't tell anyone until today, when you tried to register him for school? good heavens woman are you daft?" And blunders like that one will have to be addressed.
I could continue arguing this point, but I feel I'm drumming to a deaf ear.
Look at all the different units! WoaHHs, PatEoTSs, even um
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Is that pronounced "pateots" like potatos in a convoluted way, or is it one of those French/Latin/Italian words with waayy too many letters and an extremely simple pronounciation like "potatos"?
You're right, but a robot isn't what you think it is either, for that matter. Robots are generally automatons, doing what they are told, whereas android is the word we use for robots that make their own decisions.
This line is kinda blurred though, by robots who don't fit well into either being microcontrolled by a set of computers and code laid before them by humans, or robots who entirely think for themselves and perform tasks. They show these on the discovery channel a lot; engineered intellegence built like an insect that continously marches forward, "learning" how to negotiate objects.
That being said, it is still a very interesting device, and calling it a Waldo might even help ease up on some of the dullness of the research they are doing. Someone could come into the office and yell "WHERES WALDO"? And everyone would panic thinking you dropped the petri dish that it was in...
you say in parent post that your comment was adressed at the "world as a society". yet you specifically write in your original post: "This information is a combination of things that us Americans see as private and need things such as subpenas to see". in the context of an atricle about NL, can you understand that this seems to contradict what you say now? and can you understand that this can sound condescending to someone who lives in a very well-developed country that is (in)famous worldwide for its liberal and tolerant attitude?
In my original post, I intended the statement about the need for a subpena for medical records in connection to an ongoing police matter was meant only in that connection; a lot of other countries have different rules for their legal systems, and I didn't want to stub my toe on one of those cases here. In doing so, I gave the most obvious example I could come up with (the American legal system), as it is almost ubiqitious in television, at least on this side of the pond.
That being said, if it weren't for this system you have now, I honestly wouldn't mind living in your country either, but I am certain there would be quite an anti-American buzz in the community that I moved into, and that's just a part of the issue I was trying to get at by inequity. It's not so much that your people are flawed in this, it is that people in a whole are flawed in this. We fear what is different to us, and it makes us weak as a whole.
Racism isn't one of my favorite points either, it just fit the bill so well here. This technology is the perfect tool for a racial discriminatory system to work with, and that just irks me. If we were machines we'd learn each other's interfaces and be done with it for the current generation, making sure the next generation was built specifically to deal with the differences encountered, but sadly, we are humans, and we let emotions made a lot of these kinds of decisions for us. And at 5:16am in the morning after a long night of coding, often times all you are left to run on is emotion, in this case, disgust for the overwhelming power the Dutch has handed to their government. I know, it shouldn't concern me as much, I'm a dirty American Liberal, but I can just imagine Bush or one of my politicians using the Dutch as an example to import the system, and that's something my mind is simply not equipped to handle. One fight for digital rights at a time, please.
Thanks for your oh so insightful post, but you've been beaten to the jab of torturing me for the fact that slashdot doesn't have an edit button to add a 5 letter addition in the front of the word "nazi", namely being "post-".
secondly, I have already said these very same words 3 times, and it's getting really old. my guess is that there will be 10 more people at least to correct me tonight, and I will just yawn and go to sleep like I should have an hour ago.
Thirdly, it really must be a proximity issue, because 3 non-americans have corrected me, but yet nary a single one has. I was personally never taught anything about the Stasi in school; more emphasis was put on WWII and what happened during it, less on what happened after it. One would think France, Germany and Italy disappeared from the face of the globe if you heard my history professor.
POST-Nazi. Okay people, it's 4 in the AM, I made an error. Get off your horses and back onto the point. It is an obscure point; I don't remember it ever being taught in my schooling. I retract my statement in full, and I hope that people DIDNT find the link as a helpful thing because everyone knows I obviously didn't get a chance to read it before i hit the post button. Thanks for being a prick.
Wow I hadn't realized the climate was that bad outside of our country. Certainly makes it interesting.
;)
The "liberal" media here is being very quiet about their dislike of Bush, mainly because their latest attempts to quash everything Bush stands for has failed and failed again. The US Liberals as a whole are a very loose, disenfranchised group now; the "Democrats" as a political party are finally succumbing to the pressure of having compontents to the far left, and moderates.
This is causing a stir of emotions really. Essentially, the Republican party can railroad our government into anything at this point in time. They've got the House of Representatives, the Senate, the Executive Branch entirely, and with Robert's confirmation and the next Judicial candidate yet to be picked, we are looking at a very conservative American future.
I still feel that Bush's popularity isn't as fueled by the media; even in the light of the Katrina disaster and Bush's completely pathetic response, Bush has yet to take a political hit from this. The liberals are not pushing the issue, and the conservatives are standing up in support of Bush. Tie this with the fact that Bush is really a lame-duck and the fact that everyone's already worrying and discussing the 2008 Presidential Election with continued furvor, and you can see that Bush has lost a great deal of his potency. Hopefully, though, in contrast to his past 2 years of his first term, they won't be as explosive this time around. I hope to see a lot of the heat that the US is taking to cool down, to get more international news flowing again, and to get a sense that the rest of the world isn't just looking for a reason to do us in..
My bad, perhaps it was because I was only 4 years old when the Berlin wall fell.
Not trolling, but also not being Dutch, and being an American citizen of multiple racial heritages, I can tell you that the climate here is incredibly bad towards racism and sexism, and it is in the ways you wouldn't possibly think it would be.
;).
That being said, you may not be able to see the sexism or racism yourself because you haven't sat on but one side of that fence your entire life. The Dutch are a people that are greatly of the same descendance, much more than here persay. And while you say you care about the weaker, have you ever been to a ghetto and seen the situation for yourself? Have you given your time recently? How about your blood?
As such, what I said isn't a "stupid blatant lie", it is a matter of opinion based on what I know about the racial climate worldwide at this point in time. Racism hasn't been a hot-button for a while now, but now that terrorism is one, racism is built into most peoples assumption of it. "Terrorists" can be profiled by pre-teens here in America, for example.
When I spoke earlier, I meant no offense to your society, but as a comment of the world as a society. This entire planet is filled with people who think they are better than someone else because their skin is a different color, their religion is the 'truer' one, their accents are more proper than the bourgeois, or because their sex is superior. While you may feel your country is populated with a much smaller perecentage of these people, I am certain you would be shocked and amazed when your electronic registration system goes into place and automatically identifies these people for you
So please, before you say that I'm overplaying an issue, imagine what it's like for people on the other side of the issue, and then go ahead and make your claims against my post.
Wow, more truth to the post than even I knew. How disturbing. The things they don't teach you in high school...