Apple has been making better software for years, everyone agrees; They just never had the hardware to back them up. Then every time they do crop up with better hardware, everyone criticizes them and says that it's just not possible, PC hardware is always better they say. But now they've proven you wrong... TWICE, and some trolls STILL don't believe them. It's a sad world. I just wish Apple would open up at least their motherboards a little more, make Macs more customizable, more like PC's so they can start dominating again.
There's also one benchmark I'de love to see. Power Mac G5 vs Sun UltraSPARC III. It's fair: they're both 64-bit procs, and it would really make people look at it in businesses that only look at supercomputers as viable. Then maybe people would start giving Apple and IBM some credit.
But this time, there's no need to modify the flash rom. You can use the hack to directly boot linux from there, from what I understand.. anyone care to prove me wrong?
Is insanely high here in Kentucky for some odd unknown reason. 70% of the people I know are nerds, and in practically every town there are 10-20 computer stores within a few miles of each other.
Its odd, but just come down here for a few weeks and you'll know what I mean.
Hey I live here and I'll be first to say that this event is friggin huge. Sure they could have picked a bigger city, but what city has loose enough power restrictions, fire regulation standards, and a big enough convention hall to allow all these people???
Lousville, Ky. Add in on top of that Kentucky has one of the largest nerd populations short of Cali and Florida (per capita that is). Just about 70% of the people I know here are nerds. Not to mention the city I live in (Berea Ky) has about 7 computer stores (all within like 4 miles of each other, and this is a pretty small town). Plus the temperature is just perfect, and all the bawls you can drink. Just because we are in Kentucky means nothing. Oh yeah and did we forget to mention, Kentucky's schools have one of the largest networks in the world, almost every computer in every school in Kentucky is hooked into it. Maybe this is why we have so many computer nerds here.....
What is it with the recent long story headers here on slashdot, they seem to go on and on and ramble a lot like that last ask slashdot that talked about the audio stuff... but yeah.?
Whoa.. I completely misread this.. I thought it said Microsoft STOP Watches.
Imagine a beowulf cluster of those!!! (shoot me)
But sheesh, do we really need any more inaccurate stopwatches? I already incorrectly measured gravitational acceleration as 3.1415 M/S^2 thanks to my piece of crud watch... Give me Timex any day.
.....every second until the day IPv8 goes into effect, not to mention every person alive, every toaster making toast, every toilet still flushing, and every bullet fired. Maybe this is why the DoD wants IPv6... No not for toilets, internet enabled bullets!!
eh, try going back to the source and grabbing a woody deb disk. Worked magic from me, just don't try updating from potato to woody. Might even want to go as far as sarge, but if you want to use Gnome 2 this may be a bad idea.
But seriously, this is what it's coming down to, they can't expect to really win too many battles, their days are numbered. If they keep beating their customers, soon everyone will quit buying and go to file sharing because its that much easier.
Oh, that and the prisons are going to start filling with file sharing convicts and some used high capacity hd's are going to start hitting the market... i could use a new one to store some more pr0n on......
The problem these days is that everything seems to operate around the same frequency range. My 900MHz telephone seems to pick up every little bump and click of everything in the house!
Besides all of that though, the FCC can bite my ass. I really wish they'd give us citizens some frequencies we can actually use instead of converting us all to digital and forking them all to the highest bidder. Digital is all fine and dandy, but it just doesn't travel through the air like the good ol' EM we've all grown up with. So in short, screw the cellphones, WiFi needs the airspace. Give the WiFi companies a section of the radio band and make it only for use with Wireless Devices. That way cellphones can't interfere and we're all happy.
Electronic Competitions == special olypics (you know the joke my friends).
I would certainly hope this is a myth, but this is seriously becoming a problem. With all those new wireless networks out there, I could imagine IP addresses drying up at a pretty incredible rate in the next few years. I dont like IPv6 either though, too many numbers to make it managable. The new network admins are going to have to carry around a phone book just to know where all the ip addresses are in their network. Speaking of phones, why can't we simply augment the current IP system with an Area code feature? Seems like it'd be a lot easier than adding a billion bits to the IP address and it'd be a whole lot more managable. Just my 2 cents... (under bush economics its not even that much:/)
You, dear sir, are trolling. Plenty of people need lots of power in house. Some like to do 3D artwork which requires a lot of power for rendering. Others yet work at home, serving their websites and the such, and want to keep their computers managable and neatly tucked away somewhere so that their spouce doesn't lash them for all the cables running everywhere. I'de have a rackmount system myself if I could afford such a thing.
I just feel sorry for the poor guy. The heat must get unbearable when those things start churning. Maybe he should use the water cooling system to cool himself off instead;).
Sigh, another P4 troller. But let's examine what all the P4 has to offer.
First of all, the P4 is quite superior at doing tasks that are very mundane and repetitive. So simulators, counters, anything that performs the same operation on multiple data sets time and time again run very well on the P4.
Secondly, with branch prediction, the P4 out races competitors at some computer games, especially those that are optimised for P4 use. Branch prediction is very helpful also in the field of doing anything more than once because it knows what to expect next, and preps the processor for it.
What the P4 is bad at are things that change a lot during operation. Things that use different resources at different times, things that seemingly fire random calls for resources, like word processing, desktop editing (like making a website or newspaper or the such), and the like.
Now that We've cleared that, my second point. Look at what all AMD has taken from intel processors. MMX, SSE, and various other byte level optimizations have made the athlon quite the processor. But AMD isn't about innovation, they are about making money plain and simple. Instead of making engines that try to predict the next move, they just built their processors with the very minimum everything, strapped on a few extra math units and away we go. This technique is very fast, but it's also expensive as most AMD users have learned, because all those extra adders do is add a LOT of ambient heat as the processor clocks up. Intel's processors stay relitivly cool and run nearly twice as fast. So the P4 was for the mainstream user, to help spare some time from the physics boundry of the processor technology, and to improve on the things we do most on our computers today (music, videos, games).
You have been taught a lesson grasshoppa, use it wisely.
Simple, whomever demands that their product a) runs efficiently, b) demands reliability, and c) demands that they want really high speed multitasking.
The P4's have double ALU's for this purpose alone; turn on HT and integer performance improves drastically.. but float point suffers because their FPU's aren't nearly as efficient at HT, yet. So think of it as having 4 processors instead of two for this case alone.
Arguably though, Athlon's wouldn't be a bad choice either, but since you can't use thermocompound on them without voiding their warrenties, if they die, their dead. And you're out some money.
This is sorta true, but the P4 was an excercize to see where AMD would go. By making chips that they knew would be really fast once they got the foundation down, they drove AMD to finding a way out. My guess is that Intel was trying to drive them into a corner since they couldn't build an Itanium-compatible processor without a license, but instead AMD knew when they were beat and decided to move on to a higher playing field.
Like this delicate game of chess, Intel's next move is uncertain. While the P4 has what is needed to smoke the Athlon for years (just as long as they keep tweaking the predication engine and improve on branch prediction's accuracy), it can't really compete with Opteron. Neither can Itanium. Intel just hasn't invested enough in the future since they were ruling the present. I even read somewhere that they had started Williamette and Itanium (forgot the codename) at nearly the same time back in 95? but neither really caught their supervisors eyes since they were more than profittable already. So in short, Intel's game of chess has been too passive for too long. And it's not time to look back on the P3 and say what is good... the P4 is something completely new, like the pentium one was so long ago. Give it some time and it will vastly out perform the P3 comparitively, but you have to realize that the P3 is something like 6 years old, and the Athlon even older than that.... It's time people stop trolling on how past processors were faster comparitively and move on to making the new processors faster. Borrowing from the old is ok.. Look at Banias for example.. but we seriously need to worry about the future more. But thanks for trolling on by.
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Apple has been making better software for years, everyone agrees; They just never had the hardware to back them up. Then every time they do crop up with better hardware, everyone criticizes them and says that it's just not possible, PC hardware is always better they say. But now they've proven you wrong... TWICE, and some trolls STILL don't believe them. It's a sad world. I just wish Apple would open up at least their motherboards a little more, make Macs more customizable, more like PC's so they can start dominating again.
There's also one benchmark I'de love to see. Power Mac G5 vs Sun UltraSPARC III. It's fair: they're both 64-bit procs, and it would really make people look at it in businesses that only look at supercomputers as viable. Then maybe people would start giving Apple and IBM some credit.
My 2 cents (Canadian). Thanks.
Looks like once again /. Trolls were slapped in the face. Nice try though.
YOU FAIL IT!!!
But this time, there's no need to modify the flash rom. You can use the hack to directly boot linux from there, from what I understand.. anyone care to prove me wrong?
And say "Whoa, the Highlander has something on /., SWEET"?
Is insanely high here in Kentucky for some odd unknown reason. 70% of the people I know are nerds, and in practically every town there are 10-20 computer stores within a few miles of each other. Its odd, but just come down here for a few weeks and you'll know what I mean.
What ladies?
Caffiene.
Hey I live here and I'll be first to say that this event is friggin huge. Sure they could have picked a bigger city, but what city has loose enough power restrictions, fire regulation standards, and a big enough convention hall to allow all these people???
Lousville, Ky. Add in on top of that Kentucky has one of the largest nerd populations short of Cali and Florida (per capita that is). Just about 70% of the people I know here are nerds. Not to mention the city I live in (Berea Ky) has about 7 computer stores (all within like 4 miles of each other, and this is a pretty small town). Plus the temperature is just perfect, and all the bawls you can drink. Just because we are in Kentucky means nothing. Oh yeah and did we forget to mention, Kentucky's schools have one of the largest networks in the world, almost every computer in every school in Kentucky is hooked into it. Maybe this is why we have so many computer nerds here.....
What is it with the recent long story headers here on slashdot, they seem to go on and on and ramble a lot like that last ask slashdot that talked about the audio stuff... but yeah.?
..everything except TELL TIME.... figures.
:-/
Whoa.. I completely misread this.. I thought it said Microsoft STOP Watches.
Imagine a beowulf cluster of those!!! (shoot me)
But sheesh, do we really need any more inaccurate stopwatches? I already incorrectly measured gravitational acceleration as 3.1415 M/S^2 thanks to my piece of crud watch... Give me Timex any day.
.....every second until the day IPv8 goes into effect, not to mention every person alive, every toaster making toast, every toilet still flushing, and every bullet fired. Maybe this is why the DoD wants IPv6... No not for toilets, internet enabled bullets!!
eh, try going back to the source and grabbing a woody deb disk. Worked magic from me, just don't try updating from potato to woody. Might even want to go as far as sarge, but if you want to use Gnome 2 this may be a bad idea.
Phhsht. My toaster has a 533MHz processor, and it runs off of AC, DC _and_ chemical energy (aka toast ;)
I'm suing you for breathing my air!!!
But seriously, this is what it's coming down to, they can't expect to really win too many battles, their days are numbered. If they keep beating their customers, soon everyone will quit buying and go to file sharing because its that much easier.
Oh, that and the prisons are going to start filling with file sharing convicts and some used high capacity hd's are going to start hitting the market... i could use a new one to store some more pr0n on......
The problem these days is that everything seems to operate around the same frequency range. My 900MHz telephone seems to pick up every little bump and click of everything in the house!
Besides all of that though, the FCC can bite my ass. I really wish they'd give us citizens some frequencies we can actually use instead of converting us all to digital and forking them all to the highest bidder. Digital is all fine and dandy, but it just doesn't travel through the air like the good ol' EM we've all grown up with. So in short, screw the cellphones, WiFi needs the airspace. Give the WiFi companies a section of the radio band and make it only for use with Wireless Devices. That way cellphones can't interfere and we're all happy.
Electronic Competitions == special olypics (you know the joke my friends).
I would certainly hope this is a myth, but this is seriously becoming a problem. With all those new wireless networks out there, I could imagine IP addresses drying up at a pretty incredible rate in the next few years. I dont like IPv6 either though, too many numbers to make it managable. The new network admins are going to have to carry around a phone book just to know where all the ip addresses are in their network. Speaking of phones, why can't we simply augment the current IP system with an Area code feature? Seems like it'd be a lot easier than adding a billion bits to the IP address and it'd be a whole lot more managable. Just my 2 cents... (under bush economics its not even that much :/)
No no, nintendo gave us collaspable LSD not LCD....
You, dear sir, are trolling. Plenty of people need lots of power in house. Some like to do 3D artwork which requires a lot of power for rendering. Others yet work at home, serving their websites and the such, and want to keep their computers managable and neatly tucked away somewhere so that their spouce doesn't lash them for all the cables running everywhere. I'de have a rackmount system myself if I could afford such a thing.
;).
I just feel sorry for the poor guy. The heat must get unbearable when those things start churning. Maybe he should use the water cooling system to cool himself off instead
it is running linux, you clod.
RTFA and LATFP (look at the fucking pictures).
Sigh, another P4 troller. But let's examine what all the P4 has to offer.
First of all, the P4 is quite superior at doing tasks that are very mundane and repetitive. So simulators, counters, anything that performs the same operation on multiple data sets time and time again run very well on the P4.
Secondly, with branch prediction, the P4 out races competitors at some computer games, especially those that are optimised for P4 use. Branch prediction is very helpful also in the field of doing anything more than once because it knows what to expect next, and preps the processor for it.
What the P4 is bad at are things that change a lot during operation. Things that use different resources at different times, things that seemingly fire random calls for resources, like word processing, desktop editing (like making a website or newspaper or the such), and the like.
Now that We've cleared that, my second point. Look at what all AMD has taken from intel processors. MMX, SSE, and various other byte level optimizations have made the athlon quite the processor. But AMD isn't about innovation, they are about making money plain and simple. Instead of making engines that try to predict the next move, they just built their processors with the very minimum everything, strapped on a few extra math units and away we go. This technique is very fast, but it's also expensive as most AMD users have learned, because all those extra adders do is add a LOT of ambient heat as the processor clocks up. Intel's processors stay relitivly cool and run nearly twice as fast. So the P4 was for the mainstream user, to help spare some time from the physics boundry of the processor technology, and to improve on the things we do most on our computers today (music, videos, games).
You have been taught a lesson grasshoppa, use it wisely.
Simple, whomever demands that their product a) runs efficiently, b) demands reliability, and c) demands that they want really high speed multitasking.
The P4's have double ALU's for this purpose alone; turn on HT and integer performance improves drastically.. but float point suffers because their FPU's aren't nearly as efficient at HT, yet. So think of it as having 4 processors instead of two for this case alone.
Arguably though, Athlon's wouldn't be a bad choice either, but since you can't use thermocompound on them without voiding their warrenties, if they die, their dead. And you're out some money.
This is sorta true, but the P4 was an excercize to see where AMD would go. By making chips that they knew would be really fast once they got the foundation down, they drove AMD to finding a way out. My guess is that Intel was trying to drive them into a corner since they couldn't build an Itanium-compatible processor without a license, but instead AMD knew when they were beat and decided to move on to a higher playing field.
Like this delicate game of chess, Intel's next move is uncertain. While the P4 has what is needed to smoke the Athlon for years (just as long as they keep tweaking the predication engine and improve on branch prediction's accuracy), it can't really compete with Opteron. Neither can Itanium. Intel just hasn't invested enough in the future since they were ruling the present. I even read somewhere that they had started Williamette and Itanium (forgot the codename) at nearly the same time back in 95? but neither really caught their supervisors eyes since they were more than profittable already. So in short, Intel's game of chess has been too passive for too long. And it's not time to look back on the P3 and say what is good... the P4 is something completely new, like the pentium one was so long ago. Give it some time and it will vastly out perform the P3 comparitively, but you have to realize that the P3 is something like 6 years old, and the Athlon even older than that.... It's time people stop trolling on how past processors were faster comparitively and move on to making the new processors faster. Borrowing from the old is ok.. Look at Banias for example.. but we seriously need to worry about the future more. But thanks for trolling on by.
[Insert obligitory perverse comment] But seriously... I'de love to see a lego vibrator... custom tailored to you're passion ;)