>Which is why I DON'T "support our troops" in Irag - since they're doing bad things on stupid orders for the benefit of traitors to the country.
how about supporting your troops in Iraq?;)
>Not to mention being morons for being in a military organization in the first place - and I say that after having been in the US Army for three years AND in Vietnam. Yes, I was a moron - WAS.)
Well you're not 100% right there. There are people in the US troops that are there because they could not get a job in the first place, and couldn't support themselves, or their families. I wouldnt call that entirely moronic...
I guess they're gonna take the Ultimate Spiderman path for Venom, where Venom is just another teenager like Pete. This will explain how they're gonna fit the whole "get the uniform and take it out" thingie inside one movie:)
That's why i label slashdot mails and choose to delete them at some point. And I really don't see how the UI discourages you to delete an email. Is a "delete" button all that necessary? Clicking "more options" and "trash this message" is two clicks but come on, it's not that big a deal..
Errr... I don't. And I know many other people that don't. I've got many year old messages. I've got the space why not use it? Only problem is (and here's where gmail is superior) that it can be tiresome to search through them to find one in particular.
Actually that star wars scene allways troubled me... So we have these guys here, they're in deep space no planet's anyware and they see that big round thing and what do they think it is? A moon? A moon of what? Not that they should have said "they're heading to that small spherical space station" but shouldnt they consider it as a small planet rather than a moon? Wow, come to think of it, this must be the worst off-topic post ever
oh goodie... so a mallware extension would only erase all my files, my projects, my photos and leave the rest of the machine intact.. phew.. now i feel much better
OK i see a lot of of talk here about nautilus so here my 1c.
I have seen many arguments as to why nautilus is bad, all of them being sth like "it's ugly", "it's spacial", "it can't make me coffee" and others like that.
As for one, Nautilus is far better than windows explorer, mimetype handling being one important thing here... A file should be defined by it's content so WE has it allready wrong. Renaming it can lead you to make it unusable (for a sort while until you get that you got the extension wrong). MS's workaround here (hiding the extension) makes things even worse.
Apart from that i think that gnome has got it right here. A file browser is a file browser. You browse files with it (Duh). You don't go sightseeing with it, You don't surf the web, you don't manage your photographs with it, you don't hear music with it. So as for it's purpose it's doing a fine job.
About it's speed i hear you people say. Perhaps it's a distro thing, an installation thing, i don't know, but yes nautilus can take a while to display some folders (/usr/bin took about 20 secs here, whereas konqueror took about 6 secs) but really how many folders do you manage with a few thousand files laying there flat? Hey now that i mention it, how long does it take WE to display a 2000 file folder?
What is it with you people and the save dialog?
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I happen to really like it.
It will first prompt you to save to a well known place (let's say Downloads). If you don't like that you can choose a shortcut through the combobox.
If you don't want to go there you can "open" it and start browsing directories. Then and only then you can use the location (no need to display it beforehand)
Why on earth should i see a cluttered dialog full of information that at that point in time doesn't concern me?
Give them a break guys, that one is quite good
I happen to teach computer classes the past few years (Windows classes) and the save file dialog is allways (ALLWAYS) a full hour class just to get them to start to understand it. I allways have to explain the process more than once. Just once i showed the gnome dialog to a friend and she preferred it instantly.
That's right. I want to start from the default Clearlooks theme and start changing the colours make the background colour that way make the button colour that way and so on you know... like in KDE? And it's not hard. You CAN do it writting your own gtkrc but shouldnt there be an easy way? for the end user?
Actually the Close button just closes the window. You might as well "close" the window from the window manager. The changes you make are applied on the fly
OK you're quite right about that. After going from kde to gnome and back to kde, I had to spent hours configuring my desktop to be the way i want it which in terms of usability is more gnome-like (XMLUI for konqueror really helped there). I really hope that they will change this in the upcoming kde 4.
And if you combine this with an older report that intelligence is heritable from the mother to the offspring, you get that at an average the human race is getting stupider
e DR15 was released prior the Xcomposite/Xfixes/Xdamage extensions. It was even released prior to Xfree4
It was released prior to evas
It was releas prior to imlib2
It used the old imlib.
The only way you could achieve shadows then was an ugly hack that grabbed a frame around the window decoration and painted shadows over that, BUT you could never have dynamic effects, like being concurrent with the underlying window changes.
So If e did have that hack (which i dont remember having it) it would be slow. very slow. Are you sure you remember correctly?
Screenshot 1: I can't argue with that there. You're right. I wonder if that search feature there helps a bit. Like, typing "background" brings up the controls to change the background.
Screenshot 2: Judging by the taskbar it should be that explorer window. which makes me ask another question. Why oh why must all windows have translucent borders? It would be better if the focused window had none.
Screenshot 3: There I disagree. I kinda like the start menu.. and maybe they've made it smarter. I can also see a search-whatsoumecall-it thingie...
Screenshot 4: Ugly ugly ugly.
Screenshot 5: Where's the problem with the button order?
Screenshot 6: Right there again
Screenshot 7: Well what do you know... this cpu freaquency thing is there in windows XP too.. never got it there as well.. not much have changed in that window as it seems
Screenshot 8: That's the media player as it is now. It's window decoration is inconsistend with the current interface as well. That's if you don't count it as a themable application that can have it's own skin. Besides, would you call winamps interface inconsistent as well?
Bottom line: The UI for my taste balances between uglyness and candyness... I'm not satisfied that's for sure.
If I'm not mistaken the NView thingie is a hack which controls the alpha value of the window.
Since in windows there's no distinct window manager (not in the X way that is) the only thing you can do is change the alpha value of the whole window, completely.
It would seem that this here handles the outline of the window. Or not. If you checkout explorer shots you'll see that the controls are transparent as well. Nice transparency effect by the way.
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so many posts and no total-recall-like-ones!!! come on you guys...
>Which is why I DON'T "support our troops" in Irag - since they're doing bad things on stupid orders for the benefit of traitors to the country.
;)
how about supporting your troops in Iraq?
>Not to mention being morons for being in a military organization in the first place - and I say that after having been in the US Army for three years AND in Vietnam. Yes, I was a moron - WAS.)
Well you're not 100% right there. There are people in the US troops that are there because they could not get a job in the first place, and couldn't support themselves, or their families. I wouldnt call that entirely moronic...
I guess they're gonna take the Ultimate Spiderman path for Venom, where Venom is just another teenager like Pete. This will explain how they're gonna fit the whole "get the uniform and take it out" thingie inside one movie :)
That's why i label slashdot mails and choose to delete them at some point. And I really don't see how the UI discourages you to delete an email. Is a "delete" button all that necessary? Clicking "more options" and "trash this message" is two clicks but come on, it's not that big a deal..
Never happened to me, care to elaborate on that? Have you reported it as a bug to google?
Errr... I don't. And I know many other people that don't. I've got many year old messages. I've got the space why not use it? Only problem is (and here's where gmail is superior) that it can be tiresome to search through them to find one in particular.
With 2+ GB of storage why delete an email? Just archive it if you don't want it to show up on the inbox
If you don't like the ultra-perfect gmail web interface you could enable it's pop3 support and use any pop3 client
Isn't methane a little bit too flammable? Imagine that poor titanian that first discoveres fire:
"Hey look i have created..."
KA-BOOM
Actually that star wars scene allways troubled me...
So we have these guys here, they're in deep space no planet's anyware and they see that big round thing and what do they think it is? A moon? A moon of what?
Not that they should have said "they're heading to that small spherical space station" but shouldnt they consider it as a small planet rather than a moon?
Wow, come to think of it, this must be the worst off-topic post ever
oh goodie... so a mallware extension would only erase all my files, my projects, my photos and leave the rest of the machine intact.. phew.. now i feel much better
OK i see a lot of of talk here about nautilus so here my 1c.
I have seen many arguments as to why nautilus is bad, all of them being sth like "it's ugly", "it's spacial", "it can't make me coffee" and others like that.
As for one, Nautilus is far better than windows explorer, mimetype handling being one important thing here...
A file should be defined by it's content so WE has it allready wrong. Renaming it can lead you to make it unusable (for a sort while until you get that you got the extension wrong). MS's workaround here (hiding the extension) makes things even worse.
Apart from that i think that gnome has got it right here. A file browser is a file browser. You browse files with it (Duh). You don't go sightseeing with it, You don't surf the web, you don't manage your photographs with it, you don't hear music with it. So as for it's purpose it's doing a fine job.
About it's speed i hear you people say. Perhaps it's a distro thing, an installation thing, i don't know, but yes nautilus can take a while to display some folders (/usr/bin took about 20 secs here, whereas konqueror took about 6 secs) but really how many folders do you manage with a few thousand files laying there flat?
Hey now that i mention it, how long does it take WE to display a 2000 file folder?
I happen to really like it.
It will first prompt you to save to a well known place (let's say Downloads).
If you don't like that you can choose a shortcut through the combobox.
If you don't want to go there you can "open" it and start browsing directories. Then and only then you can use the location (no need to display it beforehand)
Why on earth should i see a cluttered dialog full of information that at that point in time doesn't concern me?
Give them a break guys, that one is quite good
I happen to teach computer classes the past few years (Windows classes) and the save file dialog is allways (ALLWAYS) a full hour class just to get them to start to understand it.
I allways have to explain the process more than once.
Just once i showed the gnome dialog to a friend and she preferred it instantly.
That's right. I want to start from the default Clearlooks theme and start changing the colours
make the background colour that way
make the button colour that way
and so on
you know... like in KDE?
And it's not hard. You CAN do it writting your own gtkrc but shouldnt there be an easy way? for the end user?
Actually the Close button just closes the window. You might as well "close" the window from the window manager.
The changes you make are applied on the fly
Alas, as global as it should be, it isn't... some dialogs will still have inverse layout
OK you're quite right about that. After going from kde to gnome and back to kde, I had to spent hours configuring my desktop to be the way i want it which in terms of usability is more gnome-like (XMLUI for konqueror really helped there). I really hope that they will change this in the upcoming kde 4.
Gnome is getting better and better but KDE is still eye-candier (ermm is that proper? candier?)
About gtk-2.8... What are those new "features not currently available in any other toolkit" that the article is talking about?
Why would one want to maximise a file dialog? what's the use? Especialy in your hi-res display it would just be useless
And since you can add shortcuts it's customizable enough. What else would you want from a file dialog?
Now about the opened out thing, it never bothered me but i would agree that it could be an option
Actually i really liked the new button order.
The new file viewing mode may for some be better but i hate it (Opening and closing a bunch of windows is not my idea of usability improvement)
Now about that file dialog... it's quite clever actually. Simple, elegant and quite customizable if you want it.
And if you combine this with an older report that intelligence is heritable from the mother to the offspring, you get that at an average the human race is getting stupider
Now everything has become clear to me!!!!
Once again: How?
e DR15 was released prior the Xcomposite/Xfixes/Xdamage extensions. It was even released prior to Xfree4
It was released prior to evas
It was releas prior to imlib2
It used the old imlib.
The only way you could achieve shadows then was an ugly hack that grabbed a frame around the window decoration and painted shadows over that, BUT you could never have dynamic effects, like being concurrent with the underlying window changes.
So If e did have that hack (which i dont remember having it) it would be slow. very slow. Are you sure you remember correctly?
Screenshot 1: I can't argue with that there. You're right. I wonder if that search feature there helps a bit. Like, typing "background" brings up the controls to change the background. Screenshot 2: Judging by the taskbar it should be that explorer window. which makes me ask another question. Why oh why must all windows have translucent borders? It would be better if the focused window had none. Screenshot 3: There I disagree. I kinda like the start menu.. and maybe they've made it smarter. I can also see a search-whatsoumecall-it thingie... Screenshot 4: Ugly ugly ugly. Screenshot 5: Where's the problem with the button order? Screenshot 6: Right there again Screenshot 7: Well what do you know... this cpu freaquency thing is there in windows XP too.. never got it there as well.. not much have changed in that window as it seems Screenshot 8: That's the media player as it is now. It's window decoration is inconsistend with the current interface as well. That's if you don't count it as a themable application that can have it's own skin. Besides, would you call winamps interface inconsistent as well? Bottom line: The UI for my taste balances between uglyness and candyness... I'm not satisfied that's for sure.
If I'm not mistaken the NView thingie is a hack which controls the alpha value of the window.
Since in windows there's no distinct window manager (not in the X way that is) the only thing you can do is change the alpha value of the whole window, completely.
It would seem that this here handles the outline of the window. Or not. If you checkout explorer shots you'll see that the controls are transparent as well. Nice transparency effect by the way.
I do remember the time that enlightenment had translucent windows (while moving) When did e have shadows? when? prior to OSX I mean