I'll throw it right back at you.. How do YOU react when somebody 'libels' another person, or tries to 'destroy' their reputation? If you believe the liar, and, say, deny the 'libeled' person a loan if you're a banker, or treat him any different than you normally would, I would say that you are the problem, not the guy telling the lies. Verification before acting is your obligation. If I found out you acted against a person because you believed a lie, I would work to have you punished. You leave the speaker alone and go after the listeners. It is that simple.
Frank honesty?
I react with violence against the person who lied to me.
Because liars aren't the problem. The believers are. A leader is never the problem. The followers always are. In every instance that you want to attack speech, you are all making the same mistake of not going after the listener instead. Case closed.
Have you ever had vindictive people actively trying to destroy your relationships and your reputation with lies? I have, in both the professional and personal realms of life, and I'm still suffering the consequences of people I don't even know thinking they know me when they don't. What would you suggest is the appropriate response?
Probably because it depends on who is deciding what is libel and what is not. Most likely it will be misused by rich people being accused of corruption getting their accusers into jail because 'nothing has been proven'.
Writing "I believe Obama was born in Kenya because blah" instead of "Obama was born in Kenya" is a pretty easy way to avoid such risk, and if everyone did so, life would improve.
I thought the most interesting part was the bit of doublethink he describes on page 6-8, where first they're talking about invading Libya.
First, there's the bit where they're contemplating Qaddafi's intentions... 'Qaddafi himself had given a speech on February 22, saying he planned to “cleanse Libya, house by house.”'
Then, a little later, he's talking about composing his speech to argue in favor of going into Libya... “What I had to do is describe a notion of a just war. But also acknowledge that the very notion of a just war can lead you into some dark places.”
Where I live (US), it's certainly less popular. When I was a kid, people, and mostly other kids, would cycle everywhere. Every kid I knew had a bicycle, and it was their primary form of transportation. Now, I rarely see someone cycling, and when I do, it's usually an adult, and usually on a designated bike trail, not on the streets or sidewalks.
That's because there's been a dramatic drop in the number of kids. Western society is in decline. This is what it looks like.
It seems to me pretty disingenuous to say that the batteries are using sugar when it's really just carbon powder (which can be made from sugar).
Yeah, but see, the people who actually did make these batteries... they used sugar to do it. It really doesn't matter worth a flying fuck what they "could" have done, it's still not disingenous to report on what they did.
A fellow truck driver got a bag of raw sugar off a dump truck that was being delivered there, but he couldn't use it because it had sand in it.
Ok, I know truck drivers stereotypically don't have the highest education, but... don't they teach how to separate sugar from sand in elementary school science class?
Wrong way round. You are rapidly gaining civil rights - via the internet - the only difference is you now know about how they have been curtailed for centuries.
No, love doesn't equal possession. But when someone makes a commitment to be faithful, and they violate that commitment, that IS cheating, and that's what "Adultery" is... cheating after you've made a commitment. It doesn't matter if you love the person or not... you STILL have no right to cheat on them without extracting yourself from the commitment first.
I think adultery should be punished with death, personally, and I would happily support changing the laws to reflect that, and I'd be quite happy to help throw rocks at adulterers until they are dead and bury them in a shallow unmarked grave.
You can love someone and fuck another guy. And you can say you love someone but then ditch them just because they fucked another guy. If your interest in a girl revolves around having her *not* do certain things, isn't that a little self-serving in itself?
Adultery has been scientifically demonstrated to create as much pain as severe physical trauma. I don't have a link handy, but it was posted on slashdot in the last few months.
When you cheat on your spouse, the choice you're being presented with amounts to "Would you be willing to have your spouse suffer the pain of being hit by a moving car to participate in this shameful activity?"
If you think it's possible to love someone as you put them through that, you don't know what love is.
Indeed. They work even better as a teaching tool if you stick a poster size picture of a QWERTY keyboard on the wall and use sandpaper to remove the markings from the keys so the kids are forced to look up instead of looking at the keys. That's how I learned to touch type, back in high school... looking back, it was the most useful course I ever took.
What you mean to say is, the United States of America has been printing money and using it to make purchases from other nations, and those other nations hoard those US dollars and trade them amongst themselves rather than redeeming them for American made goods, so America basically gets a free ride on the back of everyone else and has since the 70s.
It's like if I wrote a cheque and used it to pay for groceries, and the grocer didn't cash it, but paid their power bill with it, and the power company didn't cash it, but paid their employees with it, etc, etc.
But it's going to come to an end soon... China is selling oil for Yuan, and Russia has made an agreement with them to supply them with as much oil and gas as they want.
If you know me well enough to have me on your Foes list, you should know me well enough to know that I don't respect my audience enough to bother posting as an AC.
The result of his actions were entirely predictable. They were mean spirited and intended to provoke this response as is his calling Islam a cancer. Yet the person is not held responsible in any way, shape or form for their actions even though they lead directly to deaths. . While I respect free speech you can't shout fire in a theatre for good reasons. Why isn't this person being held to the same level of responsibility?
You're talking about a group of people who were taught from the time they were children that Selfishness is a virtue and that Usury is how responsible people prepare for their retirement. Of course they hate the Muslims. They hate them for the same reason ugly people hate mirrors. Of course they love the Jews. They love them for the same reason fat chicks travel in packs. Trying to reason with them is pointless. The only reason to open your mouth and contradict them is to differentiate yourself from them... you'll never actually reach them.
Libya had it all going on, till the western nations went in and fucked everything up. They were closer to a true democracy than just about any other nation on earth, had both oil and fresh water that they'd managed to keep out of the hands of foreign corporations, and their population was well treated, well provided for and happy.
Now they're getting a sham democracy and their natural resources are being stolen from right under their noses by foreign corporations, whose freedom the invasion was really intended to protect.
So, I say from the bottom of my heart, fuck you, Sean Smith. You got what you deserved.
Sell them. You're getting paid about 1/4 of what you're worth. Sell 'em.
You could give them to needy students, each who can't afford one but still has a new Nintendo DS, of you could pocket some cash and take your significant-other out to dinner. If you ever get a night off from grading papers or writing lesson plans.
Whatever floats your boat...
I gave away a ton of my stuff last week... not because it had no resale value, but just because it's just petty and beneath me to grub around after chump change for it.
I never sell anything... I give it away, or throw it away. I think people who actually take the time to sell their used crap are kind of pathetic, really. Just give it to someone who needs it and get on with your life.
I have a friend who grew up in Georgia, and she tells me the common population wishes the west would take their corruption and money and weapons and get the fuck out... of course, she's a highly educated intellectual who grew up with a mother who taught university and believed in western style capitalism and a father who taught university and believed in easterns style communism, so all those pictures of the police tear gassing the population she sent me were probably photoshopped...
Well, it wasn't my land... just part of my guiding principle that when possible, it's better to create abundance than be forced to take responsibility for protecting scarce resources.
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I'll throw it right back at you.. How do YOU react when somebody 'libels' another person, or tries to 'destroy' their reputation? If you believe the liar, and, say, deny the 'libeled' person a loan if you're a banker, or treat him any different than you normally would, I would say that you are the problem, not the guy telling the lies. Verification before acting is your obligation. If I found out you acted against a person because you believed a lie, I would work to have you punished. You leave the speaker alone and go after the listeners. It is that simple.
Frank honesty?
I react with violence against the person who lied to me.
Because liars aren't the problem. The believers are. A leader is never the problem. The followers always are. In every instance that you want to attack speech, you are all making the same mistake of not going after the listener instead. Case closed.
Have you ever had vindictive people actively trying to destroy your relationships and your reputation with lies? I have, in both the professional and personal realms of life, and I'm still suffering the consequences of people I don't even know thinking they know me when they don't. What would you suggest is the appropriate response?
Must be a bit embarrassing that a stoner beat you to anything...
I got distracted... I was in such a rush to post that I dropped a cherry in my lap :P
Probably because it depends on who is deciding what is libel and what is not. Most likely it will be misused by rich people being accused of corruption getting their accusers into jail because 'nothing has been proven'.
Writing "I believe Obama was born in Kenya because blah" instead of "Obama was born in Kenya" is a pretty easy way to avoid such risk, and if everyone did so, life would improve.
Can someone justify why the "libel" section is the most controversial?
I really can't understand how anyone would want to protect peoples right to lie about others and destroy their reputation.
Smoke some Cannabis. It will help with both the nausea and the glaucoma.
Dammit... beat me to it!
I thought the most interesting part was the bit of doublethink he describes on page 6-8, where first they're talking about invading Libya.
First, there's the bit where they're contemplating Qaddafi's intentions...
'Qaddafi himself had given a speech on February 22, saying he planned to “cleanse Libya, house by house.”'
Then, a little later, he's talking about composing his speech to argue in favor of going into Libya...
“What I had to do is describe a notion of a just war. But also acknowledge that the very notion of a just war can lead you into some dark places.”
Where I live (US), it's certainly less popular. When I was a kid, people, and mostly other kids, would cycle everywhere. Every kid I knew had a bicycle, and it was their primary form of transportation. Now, I rarely see someone cycling, and when I do, it's usually an adult, and usually on a designated bike trail, not on the streets or sidewalks.
That's because there's been a dramatic drop in the number of kids. Western society is in decline. This is what it looks like.
It seems to me pretty disingenuous to say that the batteries are using sugar when it's really just carbon powder (which can be made from sugar).
Yeah, but see, the people who actually did make these batteries... they used sugar to do it. It really doesn't matter worth a flying fuck what they "could" have done, it's still not disingenous to report on what they did.
A fellow truck driver got a bag of raw sugar off a dump truck that was being delivered there, but he couldn't use it because it had sand in it.
Ok, I know truck drivers stereotypically don't have the highest education, but... don't they teach how to separate sugar from sand in elementary school science class?
Wrong way round.
You are rapidly gaining civil rights - via the internet - the only difference is you now know about how they have been curtailed for centuries.
It's not rights people are gaining. It's power.
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I suppose we could draw the line at tattooing a scarlet letter A on them...
No, love doesn't equal possession. But when someone makes a commitment to be faithful, and they violate that commitment, that IS cheating, and that's what "Adultery" is... cheating after you've made a commitment. It doesn't matter if you love the person or not... you STILL have no right to cheat on them without extracting yourself from the commitment first.
I think adultery should be punished with death, personally, and I would happily support changing the laws to reflect that, and I'd be quite happy to help throw rocks at adulterers until they are dead and bury them in a shallow unmarked grave.
You can love someone and fuck another guy. And you can say you love someone but then ditch them just because they fucked another guy. If your interest in a girl revolves around having her *not* do certain things, isn't that a little self-serving in itself?
Adultery has been scientifically demonstrated to create as much pain as severe physical trauma. I don't have a link handy, but it was posted on slashdot in the last few months.
When you cheat on your spouse, the choice you're being presented with amounts to "Would you be willing to have your spouse suffer the pain of being hit by a moving car to participate in this shameful activity?"
If you think it's possible to love someone as you put them through that, you don't know what love is.
Indeed. They work even better as a teaching tool if you stick a poster size picture of a QWERTY keyboard on the wall and use sandpaper to remove the markings from the keys so the kids are forced to look up instead of looking at the keys. That's how I learned to touch type, back in high school... looking back, it was the most useful course I ever took.
What you mean to say is, the United States of America has been printing money and using it to make purchases from other nations, and those other nations hoard those US dollars and trade them amongst themselves rather than redeeming them for American made goods, so America basically gets a free ride on the back of everyone else and has since the 70s.
It's like if I wrote a cheque and used it to pay for groceries, and the grocer didn't cash it, but paid their power bill with it, and the power company didn't cash it, but paid their employees with it, etc, etc.
But it's going to come to an end soon... China is selling oil for Yuan, and Russia has made an agreement with them to supply them with as much oil and gas as they want.
http://www.examiner.com/article/dollar-no-longer-primary-oil-currency-as-china-begins-to-sell-oil-using-yuan
So, the era of the USA is at an end, along with the ridiculous culture they've created.
shieldtroll AC'ing his own comment.
Right.
If you know me well enough to have me on your Foes list, you should know me well enough to know that I don't respect my audience enough to bother posting as an AC.
The result of his actions were entirely predictable. They were mean spirited and intended to provoke this response as is his calling Islam a cancer. Yet the person is not held responsible in any way, shape or form for their actions even though they lead directly to deaths. . While I respect free speech you can't shout fire in a theatre for good reasons. Why isn't this person being held to the same level of responsibility?
You're talking about a group of people who were taught from the time they were children that Selfishness is a virtue and that Usury is how responsible people prepare for their retirement. Of course they hate the Muslims. They hate them for the same reason ugly people hate mirrors. Of course they love the Jews. They love them for the same reason fat chicks travel in packs. Trying to reason with them is pointless. The only reason to open your mouth and contradict them is to differentiate yourself from them... you'll never actually reach them.
Libya had it all going on, till the western nations went in and fucked everything up. They were closer to a true democracy than just about any other nation on earth, had both oil and fresh water that they'd managed to keep out of the hands of foreign corporations, and their population was well treated, well provided for and happy.
Now they're getting a sham democracy and their natural resources are being stolen from right under their noses by foreign corporations, whose freedom the invasion was really intended to protect.
So, I say from the bottom of my heart, fuck you, Sean Smith. You got what you deserved.
Give away?
Sell them. You're getting paid about 1/4 of what you're worth. Sell 'em.
You could give them to needy students, each who can't afford one but still has a new Nintendo DS, of you could pocket some cash and take your significant-other out to dinner. If you ever get a night off from grading papers or writing lesson plans.
Whatever floats your boat...
I gave away a ton of my stuff last week... not because it had no resale value, but just because it's just petty and beneath me to grub around after chump change for it.
I never sell anything... I give it away, or throw it away. I think people who actually take the time to sell their used crap are kind of pathetic, really. Just give it to someone who needs it and get on with your life.
Unless safety never was an issue.
Ding ding ding ding ding!!!
We have a WINNER!!!
They're junk... give them away if you can find someone who wants them.
Who thought this deserved the front page? Smack yourself in the head.
I have a friend who grew up in Georgia, and she tells me the common population wishes the west would take their corruption and money and weapons and get the fuck out... of course, she's a highly educated intellectual who grew up with a mother who taught university and believed in western style capitalism and a father who taught university and believed in easterns style communism, so all those pictures of the police tear gassing the population she sent me were probably photoshopped...
Well, it wasn't my land... just part of my guiding principle that when possible, it's better to create abundance than be forced to take responsibility for protecting scarce resources.