You know, having read the article on Ars Technica, I think google's response to this is rather bogus.
Google doesn't use all that bandwidth delivering to customers. They use vast amounts of bandwidth spidering the web so they can create their massive indexes. Which is kind of like doing market research surveys, but calling collect when you do it.
This comment isn't intended as an attack on net neutrality, but Google is still full of shit.
Not really much interested in getting into a discussion of why the status quo is or isn't justified.
No, I think I'll dedicate my time towards creating a citizens mesh network that is outside centralized control and convincing my fellow citizens that they ought to put their shoulder behind it.
You know, the hardest part of taking over the world is getting everyone to stand on your shoulders. After that, it's kind of inevitable.
Play hardball. Block those 6 IPs from any access whatsoever, explain why, stick to your guns.
The worst thing that will happen is, people in the UK will become stupider, while those who are not participating in this censorship will be advantaged, so your enemies will diminish themselves by their own hand and your friends will become more powerful allies by virtue of the gift you have given them.
So he's a middle man who sucks up wealth from good writers, never wrote anything more noteworthy than perverted homosexual erotica, and brought Hubbard to the world.
Seems to me that putting a server cluster in a single box doesn't really seem much more complex to program for than a server cluster in a rack is. Those with skills in building distributed internet applications should be well positioned to take advantage of the "avalanche of cores".
eBay decided that they were going to going to give 100 people per day a present, and raise the prices for every other individual to subsidize that present. So, they're screwing everyone, both buyers and sellers, minus 100 people.
If you want to be a beneficiary of the screwing rather than the victim, you have to come mindlessly click around the eBay website.
Though in an odd sort of way, present day terrorists are less like the terrorists of old who had clear political goals, and more like a sort of extreme IRL version of internet trolls who want to create as much chaos as possible.
Seems to me that what we call modern day terrorists are engaging in asymmetric warfare, and not terrorism at all. Attacking infrastructure that would be a valid military target to reduce the capacities of those who are engaging in aggression against you isn't terrorism. Blowing up shopping centers and school buses within your own country as a way to sway the vote among your own population is terrorism. The IRA were terrorists, attacking their neighbours for the crime of associating with Protestants. The people who are referred to as terrorists on the news these days are really nothing of the sort.
*sigh* yes, it makes perfect business sense to blind your customers and it's not like you there are 'courts' where you could sue for damages in such cases.
Gee, that's a great alternative. I can use money I don't have to hire lawyers who contribute nothing tangible to society to sue someone who has been making money hand over fist engaging in antisocial and exploitative behavior and has way more capacity to exploit the loopholes in the fucked up legal system than I do, and waste years of my life, and be blind for the rest of my life.
Who cares about damages, are damages going to fix my problems? If such a thing were to occur, I wouldn't want damages, I'd rather stone the perpetrator to death with my own hand and see to it that they never had the chance to do such a thing to anyone ever again. As far as your comment about "business sense", the whole reason we have regulations is because before they were implemented, this shit happened all the time and there was no effective way to prevent it.
Based on your posts, I'd probably want to dash your brains out with a rock too if I were to get to know you better. So, take your opinion and shove em up your ass.
You give an inch and pretty soon people will advocate that the government can and should regulate any aspect of life. If the government can tell businesses what operating systems to run you, me, everyone on the internet has already as good as lost the fight for freedom online because if it wishes it can dictate the same to individuals for the very same reasons.
Yes, and people like you would have me buying whiskey with methanol in it, because regulations interfere with the rights of the still operator.
Wait, how is America fucked up, precisely? Because high-profile, responsible, important jobs requiring experience and education command the highest salaries? Or Because jobs that require no thought or effort or education pay minimum wage?
Other alternatives EXIST. This isn't "steal to eat". This is stealing because it's easier to shit on your neighbour than to do some honest work.
Exactly. The system makes it easier to shit on your neighbour than to do some honest work, and those who are best at doing this systematically rise to the tippy top and make the rules.
You ever read about how people in communist countries make such a pittance, and wonder how the hell they live? It's because the system doesn't insulate them from what keeps them alive by making everything someone elses property. You work on the things that keep you alive directly, like everyone else, and you get the things that keep you alive without having to figure out how you'll manage, because the system is set up that way. Money is all pocket money that they can spend on candy with no particular consequences, and is not particularly important.
Get it into your head, you're a fucking slave, and the system wants you to be kept that way. When a slave whose safety is not assured steals from the system that oppresses him, he's a desperate, disenfranchised individual reclaiming his birthright, and nothing he does is immoral while he is being kept in that state of existence against his will.
If there was ever a fair and equitable society, it would be totalitarian in nature and exclude no one, but preserve social mobility through transparency and effective democracy. Your society is the most unfair and exclusive society in history. That's why you've got so many people in your jail cells, that's why you all hate and fear each other, and that's why the rest of the world fears and hates you. Get your head out of your ass.
If all the women poison their womb and kill their babies, there will be no one left in society to keep things running as I get old, and society will end. As a human, I have decided that I value, and therefore by extension humanity has value, therefore I treasure the continued existence of humanity on this world. Therefore, for the sake of my own self-interest, and the larger interest of human society which I value, I support taking whatever actions are necessary against those who would peddle poison and kill babies with tools. Religion has nothing to do with it.
The current economic crisis was always inevitable, because the root cause is an imbalance between those who are able to work and those who are dependent. The quest for oil that led to the recent wars is all about getting enough energy to mitigate that damage to society, so that the generation at the reigns can retire in relative comfort despite never having had any children to provide that comfort.
This is the reason you the reader of this have to work so damned hard for so very little.
The regulation is not about what OS people use in their home, it's about what OS is being used by businesses who are providing internet service to third parties. When businesses are providing services to the public, the state has a responsibility to ensure they are meeting standards. Windows is known to have a multitude of safety issues that can lead to identity theft and fraud. If there is an affordable alternative that has been subject to government scrutiny and doesn't have these issues, it's irresponsible for a business operator to use Windows.
The Chinese public do not have to get their internet access from a cafe, they can use their own computers and install whatever OS they like on it. Therefore, they are not being forced to use any operating system. So, clearly, it's YOU that is putting forth the red herring.
Life is sacred 'till you're born. Then you're fair game?
Life is sacred till you breed. Then, you're a dead skin cell on societies callus, and rather insignificant in the scheme of things. If you never breed, then your life was never sacred, but just a wasted investment.
Are there concerns that the Chinese government are going to be spying on citizens using the open source Red Flag operating system, or are there concerns that using the closed source Windows operating system will allow some group to spy on the Chinese?
The second seems like a greater risk than the first.
Someone in the arts or business is permitted to think 'The chances of that happening are remote, therefore it is unlikely, therefore I will ignore it. If it should arise, I'll see it and deal with it then.'
People in a technical disciple are obligated to think 'The possibility of that happening is there, therefore it is inevitable that it will happen, therefore the whole thing is wrong until I address it.'
I want the same rights the police have. I want to be remote searching their hard drives, and the hard drives of corporate executives, and of politicians. I have no more reason to trust them than they have to trust me, and neither do any of you. We should all have the right to know what is going on. If we don't, corruption is a systemic inevitability. Which should be abundantly obvious to anyone who has been paying attention to the events of the last few years.
I think they should teach low level first, teach students assembly first and work up from their. They don't need to create anything fancy in assembly just make sure that they understand how a computer works and does things rather then the abstracted model that higher level languages give you.
Totally agree. I spent my childhood typing assembly games out of the back of Compute! and POKEing memory registers in my programs, and it really gives you a grasp of how what you're doing connects to the real world, even if you hardly ever use it professionally.
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You know, having read the article on Ars Technica, I think google's response to this is rather bogus.
Google doesn't use all that bandwidth delivering to customers. They use vast amounts of bandwidth spidering the web so they can create their massive indexes. Which is kind of like doing market research surveys, but calling collect when you do it.
This comment isn't intended as an attack on net neutrality, but Google is still full of shit.
If my server logs are any indication, then this is probably true. They spent 6 months hitting my server every 2 seconds at one point.
Not really much interested in getting into a discussion of why the status quo is or isn't justified.
No, I think I'll dedicate my time towards creating a citizens mesh network that is outside centralized control and convincing my fellow citizens that they ought to put their shoulder behind it.
You know, the hardest part of taking over the world is getting everyone to stand on your shoulders. After that, it's kind of inevitable.
To the administrators of Wikipedia:
Play hardball. Block those 6 IPs from any access whatsoever, explain why, stick to your guns.
The worst thing that will happen is, people in the UK will become stupider, while those who are not participating in this censorship will be advantaged, so your enemies will diminish themselves by their own hand and your friends will become more powerful allies by virtue of the gift you have given them.
So he's a middle man who sucks up wealth from good writers, never wrote anything more noteworthy than perverted homosexual erotica, and brought Hubbard to the world.
Where do I go to piss on his grave?
Seems to me that putting a server cluster in a single box doesn't really seem much more complex to program for than a server cluster in a rack is. Those with skills in building distributed internet applications should be well positioned to take advantage of the "avalanche of cores".
eBay decided that they were going to going to give 100 people per day a present, and raise the prices for every other individual to subsidize that present. So, they're screwing everyone, both buyers and sellers, minus 100 people.
If you want to be a beneficiary of the screwing rather than the victim, you have to come mindlessly click around the eBay website.
Seems like eBay was the real asshole here.
Though in an odd sort of way, present day terrorists are less like the terrorists of old who had clear political goals, and more like a sort of extreme IRL version of internet trolls who want to create as much chaos as possible.
Seems to me that what we call modern day terrorists are engaging in asymmetric warfare, and not terrorism at all. Attacking infrastructure that would be a valid military target to reduce the capacities of those who are engaging in aggression against you isn't terrorism. Blowing up shopping centers and school buses within your own country as a way to sway the vote among your own population is terrorism. The IRA were terrorists, attacking their neighbours for the crime of associating with Protestants. The people who are referred to as terrorists on the news these days are really nothing of the sort.
*sigh* yes, it makes perfect business sense to blind your customers and it's not like you there are 'courts' where you could sue for damages in such cases.
Gee, that's a great alternative. I can use money I don't have to hire lawyers who contribute nothing tangible to society to sue someone who has been making money hand over fist engaging in antisocial and exploitative behavior and has way more capacity to exploit the loopholes in the fucked up legal system than I do, and waste years of my life, and be blind for the rest of my life.
Who cares about damages, are damages going to fix my problems? If such a thing were to occur, I wouldn't want damages, I'd rather stone the perpetrator to death with my own hand and see to it that they never had the chance to do such a thing to anyone ever again. As far as your comment about "business sense", the whole reason we have regulations is because before they were implemented, this shit happened all the time and there was no effective way to prevent it.
Based on your posts, I'd probably want to dash your brains out with a rock too if I were to get to know you better. So, take your opinion and shove em up your ass.
When did the ability to obfuscate the truth about things and operate from the shadows become an important part of democracy?
Democracy relies on people having access to as much information as possible so they can make wise decisions. Privacy is contrary to democracy.
You give an inch and pretty soon people will advocate that the government can and should regulate any aspect of life. If the government can tell businesses what operating systems to run you, me, everyone on the internet has already as good as lost the fight for freedom online because if it wishes it can dictate the same to individuals for the very same reasons.
Yes, and people like you would have me buying whiskey with methanol in it, because regulations interfere with the rights of the still operator.
Wait, how is America fucked up, precisely? Because high-profile, responsible, important jobs requiring experience and education command the highest salaries? Or Because jobs that require no thought or effort or education pay minimum wage? Other alternatives EXIST. This isn't "steal to eat". This is stealing because it's easier to shit on your neighbour than to do some honest work.
Exactly. The system makes it easier to shit on your neighbour than to do some honest work, and those who are best at doing this systematically rise to the tippy top and make the rules.
You ever read about how people in communist countries make such a pittance, and wonder how the hell they live? It's because the system doesn't insulate them from what keeps them alive by making everything someone elses property. You work on the things that keep you alive directly, like everyone else, and you get the things that keep you alive without having to figure out how you'll manage, because the system is set up that way. Money is all pocket money that they can spend on candy with no particular consequences, and is not particularly important.
Get it into your head, you're a fucking slave, and the system wants you to be kept that way. When a slave whose safety is not assured steals from the system that oppresses him, he's a desperate, disenfranchised individual reclaiming his birthright, and nothing he does is immoral while he is being kept in that state of existence against his will.
If there was ever a fair and equitable society, it would be totalitarian in nature and exclude no one, but preserve social mobility through transparency and effective democracy. Your society is the most unfair and exclusive society in history. That's why you've got so many people in your jail cells, that's why you all hate and fear each other, and that's why the rest of the world fears and hates you. Get your head out of your ass.
If all the women poison their womb and kill their babies, there will be no one left in society to keep things running as I get old, and society will end. As a human, I have decided that I value, and therefore by extension humanity has value, therefore I treasure the continued existence of humanity on this world. Therefore, for the sake of my own self-interest, and the larger interest of human society which I value, I support taking whatever actions are necessary against those who would peddle poison and kill babies with tools. Religion has nothing to do with it.
The current economic crisis was always inevitable, because the root cause is an imbalance between those who are able to work and those who are dependent. The quest for oil that led to the recent wars is all about getting enough energy to mitigate that damage to society, so that the generation at the reigns can retire in relative comfort despite never having had any children to provide that comfort.
This is the reason you the reader of this have to work so damned hard for so very little.
Simply insane ... you are actually defending that the government dictates not only which flavor of OS you use but which specific distro.
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You'll have the state sanctioned operating system and YOU WILL LIKE IT, puny servant.
Your comment about safety standards is an utter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring_(logical_fallacy)#Red_herringred herring
The regulation is not about what OS people use in their home, it's about what OS is being used by businesses who are providing internet service to third parties. When businesses are providing services to the public, the state has a responsibility to ensure they are meeting standards. Windows is known to have a multitude of safety issues that can lead to identity theft and fraud. If there is an affordable alternative that has been subject to government scrutiny and doesn't have these issues, it's irresponsible for a business operator to use Windows.
The Chinese public do not have to get their internet access from a cafe, they can use their own computers and install whatever OS they like on it. Therefore, they are not being forced to use any operating system. So, clearly, it's YOU that is putting forth the red herring.
Life is sacred 'till you're born. Then you're fair game?
Life is sacred till you breed. Then, you're a dead skin cell on societies callus, and rather insignificant in the scheme of things. If you never breed, then your life was never sacred, but just a wasted investment.
You said it yourself: mandate vs. recommendation.
So, are the safety standards for cars optional where you live?
I'm confused.
Are there concerns that the Chinese government are going to be spying on citizens using the open source Red Flag operating system, or are there concerns that using the closed source Windows operating system will allow some group to spy on the Chinese?
The second seems like a greater risk than the first.
The fucked up political-economic system gives them a motive. Everything else is inevitable from that point.
Hopefully the Iranians will save us.
Around here we call it "pissing on fires".
The marginal cost of Apple hardware is high. The marginal cost of a copy of office is less than a penny, including packaging. You do the math.
Someone in the arts or business is permitted to think 'The chances of that happening are remote, therefore it is unlikely, therefore I will ignore it. If it should arise, I'll see it and deal with it then.'
People in a technical disciple are obligated to think 'The possibility of that happening is there, therefore it is inevitable that it will happen, therefore the whole thing is wrong until I address it.'
I want the same rights the police have. I want to be remote searching their hard drives, and the hard drives of corporate executives, and of politicians. I have no more reason to trust them than they have to trust me, and neither do any of you. We should all have the right to know what is going on. If we don't, corruption is a systemic inevitability. Which should be abundantly obvious to anyone who has been paying attention to the events of the last few years.
I think they should teach low level first, teach students assembly first and work up from their. They don't need to create anything fancy in assembly just make sure that they understand how a computer works and does things rather then the abstracted model that higher level languages give you.
Totally agree. I spent my childhood typing assembly games out of the back of Compute! and POKEing memory registers in my programs, and it really gives you a grasp of how what you're doing connects to the real world, even if you hardly ever use it professionally.
No hear here...