The way you talk, it sounds like you would have the offender go free on a technicality...
I don't advocate the US legal system. I qualified this from the beginning. Honestly my opinion is that your legal systems sucks ass through a straw. You know, mostly hot air and sometimes messy with a bad aftertaste?
1069's intent was made obvious by his course of action. You really are argumentative aren't you? Infer a little, geez.
I'm gonna pull the tampering point because the trojan does imply some sort of altering of the child porn downloader's machine, kinda sorta... That could easily become a semantics debate.
I think it's far more scary how readily you dismiss child welfare in the name of your precious fifth amendment. Anyway, didn't the offender get his 'due process'? 1069 just provided a tip to the cops.
And I didn't "jump to judging the guy". He was GUILTY AS CHARGED dammit. Also, you'll notice that I was opposed to the idea of him getting 'another form of justice' at the hands of the public. I do believe in due process, just not dumb process 'or whatever'.
1 - 1069's action was arguably illegal but not immoral (considering intent)
2 - it was not violent
3 - it was appropriate, surgical even, use of expertise - no tampering
4 - no risk to any third parties or innocents by his hack
Oh yeah and did you read the part where the COPS TOLD HIM TO DO IT?
1069 did the right thing and he handled himself honorably. He could have just as easily broadcast the suspects' info all over the net, forcing them to turn themselves in to avoid inevitable 'sidewalk justice'.
Disclaimer: I think (being Canadian) of this issue on a global level not a US legal system level. So before you start quoting US Constitutional rhetoric, please don't.
There needs to be professional discretion on the part of the law enforcement investigators about how they use this kind of "alternative" resource. Publicizing the use of it is NOT appropriate, IMO. But where children are concerned, I think that the means were justifiable because they were harmless and especially because 1069 advised the police instead of taking any sort of action against the suspect.
Also, someone aptly pointed out that the hacker could plant the evidence. For this reason, the cops need to be smart and be sure to get independant evidence that could not have been planted by the supposedly ethical hacker, but somehow I think the prosecution would have thought of that already. I don't imagine that hacker-provided evidence would be admissible in court.
There were also some comments about abuse of anti-terrorism laws and violation of privacy. I agree this is a serious concern - especially in the US right now. But I think that anyone who says police shouldn't have the capability and resources to crack systems is being naive. If we cannot even approach the capabilities of hackers like 1069 in law enforcement, then we have a system that is ineffective in the world we live in.
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I don't know why parent got modded troll, but he makes a good point. We use a whole hodge-podge of solutions at work, and lots of MQSeries. In some cases, FTP worked out better. Even if you don't agree with his solution to the problem, his point is valid. MQSeries can be lame.
I, for one, welcome our open source message queueing overlords... oh nevermind.
Definitely we should study Mars before we start messing with it.
But, once we know what we're dealing with, I think terraforming and colonization is the only logical path to take...
We need to make a backup of humanity, cause this copy is getting corrupted!
this is not the same as RIAA/MPAA problem...
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There is a viable business model here for the networks.
Release the shows as they come out, via torrent. Make them as available as possible, perhaps even with *special content* like scenes that got cut to suit the slot, etc. Once this is the norm, the production teams will have lots of stuff to toss in for the web releases.
Include advertisements in the files (sorry guys, they need to pay for it somehow...) While the ads will not be as effective as broadcast because perhaps 80% of viewers will fast-forward, some of the ads will be viewed and that is better than a kick in the nuts any day of the week.
This way, the market for independant digitization and broadcast of tv shows online will dry up. Why bother? The files are available on time, in high quality. Problem solved.
This couldn't work the same for the RIAA and MPAA people. But TV has always been an advertisement friendly format. It's ready to go!
There are other marketing advantages to this approach, without making it annoying either. Use your imagination...
You are totally right. After 12 years of technical support, I can't agree more. People want to be stupid.
There is only one button on the mouse because the Apple way is to use keyboard modifiers. Ctrl-click, shift-click, etc. I started out with MacOS and switched to PCs later on. I prefer having two buttons and a wheel. I use the wheel button, too!
The same happened with my XBox no less than 4 months after I bought it. I called MS, assuming there was at least a 1-year warranty. I was advised that, no, in fact it was only a 90-day warranty (lame!). I asked if there was a repair service and was told no.
So I opened the XBox and cleaned the lens with a cotton swab and some alcohol. Works fine, cheaper than a lawsuit.
Back in 94 I went to a rave in downtown Montreal and the cops freaked out. They sent in the riot police. I was inside the event when the cops showed up. The lights went on and the dj came on the PA and said: "Everyone, the cops are here and we told them we are having a pyjama party. Please sit on the floor and chill so they don't freak out." 4000 people promptly sat down peacefully. 3 drunken idiots shouted profanity but otherwise it was clear the room was calm and would be easy to clear. Some 40 riot police promptly charged the crowd, everyone got up and ran. Within 2 minutes, the place was empty (there were ample exits, including big loading bay doors that were opened, and people even stopped to help others down the ledge.)
Outside, 150 more riot cops were beating people with batons. On the roof, people were filming this. The next day the very graphic and undeniable footage was on the news. Absolutely nobody did jack shit about it.
I worked (in IT) for Lasik MD in Montreal, which services thousands of US customers a year. I saw many many happy patients pass through their doors, from the US and locally. The prices are very competitive when compared to the US, but by no means is it 'cheaply' done.
Reasons: Doctors make less in Canada. Laser eye surgery clinics are owned by the doctors, reducing cost to patients. US dollar is favorable here (well maybe not this week lol). Laser eye surgery clinics are private, so they don't have to charge more to foreigners like public institutions do.
Forgive the parent's poor choice of words; the meat of his message is of value.
On one hand, I agree with you - real world rules of conduct do not apply in a fictional environment. It's much the same as a fictional planet in a sci-fi show like Stargate. Often they end up on planets with strange cultures. The whole point is that an alternate reality gives us insight into our own.
That said, ideally the game should still be fun for ALL players - male and female. As you said, players can just leave...
Another important point is that, when you use the names of real places in your fiction, you are opening yourself up to offending people.
Yeah, Sony Stores across Canada, for at least 4-5 years now. I'm talking east and west coast, including Quebec ("La Maison Sony" - in Canada, if they bother to localize for Quebec, they are serious. Everything has to be in French to comply with fascist language laws). I've seen them mainly in malls but also bigger retail shops.
They are primarily focused on home entertainment (TVs, Playstations, stereos, etc.) Once I saw a laptop on display but the salespeople were clueless and more interested in the customers buying TVs and walkmans (i.e. the commissions probably suck).
Once I asked them if they could get accessories for my Picturebook and they referred me to Sony Service.
If the US Sony stores are doing PCs, I would be suprised if the same thing happens up here. It's a much smaller market with lots of competition from the big guys (Future Shop/Best Buy) and the local shops in major cities.
That said, my experience in the business trying to sell Sony PC hardware has been: can't get it through the distribution channel in Canada. Retail or grey market (i.e. via US) only. So there is a gap to be filled and maybe that will happen via Sony Store.
Civil disobedience is a serious thing, not a tool for disaffected consumers upset at the music cartel. Civil disobedience is a tool that instills fear into the government for the real purpose of causing them buckle or face revolution.
Well I appreciate what you are saying but I don't think that the definition is that rigid. Note that I used the word protest, implying that I was discussing the concept, not the semantics.
My point is that if 2 million people 'protest' by screaming out "we want to be able to download all kinds of cool media on the internet and no we don't want to get screwed any more*" and doing just that via P2P, despite it being illegal - that is a valid and powerful form of protest/civil disobedience.
* getting screwed:
e.g. paying for cable, and then having to watch craploads of ads too - the media double-dip
e.g. paying 20$ for a CD
I don't support the corporate fuckers (middle finger erect) and I am protesting by NOT GIVING THEM MY MONEY. Call it what you want.
I think that a lot of people here would agree that this is an important issue, worthy of a little civil disobediance to make a point.
I don't think it is up to you to tell me, or anyone else what cause is worth our protest.
I won't buy gas from Shell because I don't agree with how they do business. I have another viable option across the street.
Similarly, I won't buy music from companies because I don't agree with how they do business. I have another viable option in P2P and spending more money on live shows instead of CDs.
If there is one thing that the net is doing, it's changing the way we use media. Inevitably, the people who distribute media will profit from the internet. They just need to adapt their business model. But I'm not willing to give up my privacy in the process. And yes that is a real social problem.
I agree; free speech. As far as ethics go - it's politics and, unfortunately, this sort of thing is expected. They have even linked to the correct site for those who care. Looks reasonable to me.
Webmaster, logs in hand: "Congressman, the traffic on your site is through the roof!"
Van Hollen: "Great!"
Webmaster: "Seems our number one referrer is this vanhollen2004.com site..."
Well even if we are really lucky and there is no relationship between climate change and pollution, we should still back off on the pollution.
It's just common sense. Don't shit where you eat, right?
This trend toward polarizing and over-simplifying every issue is really lame. I find it really scary when I see people validating their outrageous consumption levels with arguments like "global warming isn't real". Climate change is just one of many symptoms of industry's impact on this planet that anyone who is paying attention would notice.
Lets find ways to reduce waste soon. Everyone agreed? This is one of those things where "every little bit" does count and there is lots that you and me and the guy next door can do to effect real change. IMO anyone who won't even TRY to reduce their waste is a selfish moron.
I started out on Macintosh back in the System 5 days. I really got into it with the color LC, and was working in Macintosh technical support (certified Apple technician thankyouverymuch!) until 1998, at which time I started working with Winblows and Linux almost exclusively. When I saw Win2K, I switched outright.
I don't miss the expensive and slow hardware from Apple, and I dislike the direction Jobs has continued to take - heavy on the marketing, light on the value.
I would never give up the flexibility of OEM.
But if I could run Mac OS X on my Athlon XP, I'd buy a copy tomorrow.
Of course, I'd dual-boot XP for (now this would be ironic) legacy support, but if I had the choice of relatively evil-free MacOS X on my much-cheaper-and-faster-hardware - you betcha!
I often sneer at the fantastic search capabilities (and impeccable graphics) dramatized in the CSI shows. If only the state was so organized to have so many databases immediately on hand... and if only the software was so good. Perhaps Google is in fact one step in that direction.
Also interesting, there is a phenomenon called the "CSI effect" referring to jurors expecting capabilities similar to the tv series in real-life forensic investigations...
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The way you talk, it sounds like you would have the offender go free on a technicality...
I don't advocate the US legal system. I qualified this from the beginning. Honestly my opinion is that your legal systems sucks ass through a straw. You know, mostly hot air and sometimes messy with a bad aftertaste?
1069's intent was made obvious by his course of action. You really are argumentative aren't you? Infer a little, geez.
I'm gonna pull the tampering point because the trojan does imply some sort of altering of the child porn downloader's machine, kinda sorta... That could easily become a semantics debate.
I think it's far more scary how readily you dismiss child welfare in the name of your precious fifth amendment. Anyway, didn't the offender get his 'due process'? 1069 just provided a tip to the cops.
And I didn't "jump to judging the guy". He was GUILTY AS CHARGED dammit. Also, you'll notice that I was opposed to the idea of him getting 'another form of justice' at the hands of the public. I do believe in due process, just not dumb process 'or whatever'.
Okay you got me on semantics. Argumentative much? I was trying to be concise! I thought the subject line made my point clear...
1069 is not a vigilante.
1 - 1069's action was arguably illegal but not immoral (considering intent)
2 - it was not violent
3 - it was appropriate, surgical even, use of expertise - no tampering
4 - no risk to any third parties or innocents by his hack
Oh yeah and did you read the part where the COPS TOLD HIM TO DO IT?
1069 did the right thing and he handled himself honorably. He could have just as easily broadcast the suspects' info all over the net, forcing them to turn themselves in to avoid inevitable 'sidewalk justice'.
Disclaimer: I think (being Canadian) of this issue on a global level not a US legal system level. So before you start quoting US Constitutional rhetoric, please don't.
There needs to be professional discretion on the part of the law enforcement investigators about how they use this kind of "alternative" resource. Publicizing the use of it is NOT appropriate, IMO. But where children are concerned, I think that the means were justifiable because they were harmless and especially because 1069 advised the police instead of taking any sort of action against the suspect.
Also, someone aptly pointed out that the hacker could plant the evidence. For this reason, the cops need to be smart and be sure to get independant evidence that could not have been planted by the supposedly ethical hacker, but somehow I think the prosecution would have thought of that already. I don't imagine that hacker-provided evidence would be admissible in court.
There were also some comments about abuse of anti-terrorism laws and violation of privacy. I agree this is a serious concern - especially in the US right now. But I think that anyone who says police shouldn't have the capability and resources to crack systems is being naive. If we cannot even approach the capabilities of hackers like 1069 in law enforcement, then we have a system that is ineffective in the world we live in.
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You can bundle up the messages and send them in a batch via FTP. It's common practice.
I don't know why parent got modded troll, but he makes a good point. We use a whole hodge-podge of solutions at work, and lots of MQSeries. In some cases, FTP worked out better. Even if you don't agree with his solution to the problem, his point is valid. MQSeries can be lame.
I, for one, welcome our open source message queueing overlords... oh nevermind.
It costs the most to market to the SMB market, yet their prices are lowest.
Home users are a bit less costly to support.
Large business customers are cash cows - hence their high prices.
Make sense? Welcome to the business...
Definitely we should study Mars before we start messing with it.
But, once we know what we're dealing with, I think terraforming and colonization is the only logical path to take...
We need to make a backup of humanity, cause this copy is getting corrupted!
There is a viable business model here for the networks.
Release the shows as they come out, via torrent. Make them as available as possible, perhaps even with *special content* like scenes that got cut to suit the slot, etc. Once this is the norm, the production teams will have lots of stuff to toss in for the web releases.
Include advertisements in the files (sorry guys, they need to pay for it somehow...) While the ads will not be as effective as broadcast because perhaps 80% of viewers will fast-forward, some of the ads will be viewed and that is better than a kick in the nuts any day of the week. This way, the market for independant digitization and broadcast of tv shows online will dry up. Why bother? The files are available on time, in high quality. Problem solved.
This couldn't work the same for the RIAA and MPAA people. But TV has always been an advertisement friendly format. It's ready to go!
There are other marketing advantages to this approach, without making it annoying either. Use your imagination...
You are totally right. After 12 years of technical support, I can't agree more. People want to be stupid.
There is only one button on the mouse because the Apple way is to use keyboard modifiers. Ctrl-click, shift-click, etc. I started out with MacOS and switched to PCs later on. I prefer having two buttons and a wheel. I use the wheel button, too!
One word: HEAT
The same happened with my XBox no less than 4 months after I bought it. I called MS, assuming there was at least a 1-year warranty. I was advised that, no, in fact it was only a 90-day warranty (lame!). I asked if there was a repair service and was told no.
So I opened the XBox and cleaned the lens with a cotton swab and some alcohol. Works fine, cheaper than a lawsuit.
"is there evidence available"
Moreover, do people care?
Back in 94 I went to a rave in downtown Montreal and the cops freaked out. They sent in the riot police. I was inside the event when the cops showed up. The lights went on and the dj came on the PA and said: "Everyone, the cops are here and we told them we are having a pyjama party. Please sit on the floor and chill so they don't freak out." 4000 people promptly sat down peacefully. 3 drunken idiots shouted profanity but otherwise it was clear the room was calm and would be easy to clear. Some 40 riot police promptly charged the crowd, everyone got up and ran. Within 2 minutes, the place was empty (there were ample exits, including big loading bay doors that were opened, and people even stopped to help others down the ledge.)
Outside, 150 more riot cops were beating people with batons. On the roof, people were filming this. The next day the very graphic and undeniable footage was on the news. Absolutely nobody did jack shit about it.
I don't think video evidence really matters.
I worked (in IT) for Lasik MD in Montreal, which services thousands of US customers a year. I saw many many happy patients pass through their doors, from the US and locally. The prices are very competitive when compared to the US, but by no means is it 'cheaply' done.
Reasons: Doctors make less in Canada. Laser eye surgery clinics are owned by the doctors, reducing cost to patients. US dollar is favorable here (well maybe not this week lol). Laser eye surgery clinics are private, so they don't have to charge more to foreigners like public institutions do.
Forgive the parent's poor choice of words; the meat of his message is of value.
On one hand, I agree with you - real world rules of conduct do not apply in a fictional environment. It's much the same as a fictional planet in a sci-fi show like Stargate. Often they end up on planets with strange cultures. The whole point is that an alternate reality gives us insight into our own.
That said, ideally the game should still be fun for ALL players - male and female. As you said, players can just leave...
Another important point is that, when you use the names of real places in your fiction, you are opening yourself up to offending people.
Yeah, Sony Stores across Canada, for at least 4-5 years now. I'm talking east and west coast, including Quebec ("La Maison Sony" - in Canada, if they bother to localize for Quebec, they are serious. Everything has to be in French to comply with fascist language laws). I've seen them mainly in malls but also bigger retail shops.
They are primarily focused on home entertainment (TVs, Playstations, stereos, etc.) Once I saw a laptop on display but the salespeople were clueless and more interested in the customers buying TVs and walkmans (i.e. the commissions probably suck).
Once I asked them if they could get accessories for my Picturebook and they referred me to Sony Service.
If the US Sony stores are doing PCs, I would be suprised if the same thing happens up here. It's a much smaller market with lots of competition from the big guys (Future Shop/Best Buy) and the local shops in major cities.
That said, my experience in the business trying to sell Sony PC hardware has been: can't get it through the distribution channel in Canada. Retail or grey market (i.e. via US) only. So there is a gap to be filled and maybe that will happen via Sony Store.
So perhaps this is news for Canada too...
Civil disobedience is a serious thing, not a tool for disaffected consumers upset at the music cartel. Civil disobedience is a tool that instills fear into the government for the real purpose of causing them buckle or face revolution.
Well I appreciate what you are saying but I don't think that the definition is that rigid. Note that I used the word protest, implying that I was discussing the concept, not the semantics.
My point is that if 2 million people 'protest' by screaming out "we want to be able to download all kinds of cool media on the internet and no we don't want to get screwed any more*" and doing just that via P2P, despite it being illegal - that is a valid and powerful form of protest/civil disobedience.
* getting screwed:
e.g. paying for cable, and then having to watch craploads of ads too - the media double-dip
e.g. paying 20$ for a CD
I don't support the corporate fuckers (middle finger erect) and I am protesting by NOT GIVING THEM MY MONEY. Call it what you want.
I think that a lot of people here would agree that this is an important issue, worthy of a little civil disobediance to make a point.
I don't think it is up to you to tell me, or anyone else what cause is worth our protest.
I won't buy gas from Shell because I don't agree with how they do business. I have another viable option across the street.
Similarly, I won't buy music from companies because I don't agree with how they do business. I have another viable option in P2P and spending more money on live shows instead of CDs.
If there is one thing that the net is doing, it's changing the way we use media. Inevitably, the people who distribute media will profit from the internet. They just need to adapt their business model. But I'm not willing to give up my privacy in the process. And yes that is a real social problem.
I agree; free speech. As far as ethics go - it's politics and, unfortunately, this sort of thing is expected. They have even linked to the correct site for those who care. Looks reasonable to me.
Webmaster, logs in hand: "Congressman, the traffic on your site is through the roof!"
Van Hollen: "Great!"
Webmaster: "Seems our number one referrer is this vanhollen2004.com site..."
Van Hollen: "oh.."
Personally I'd rather have a high-definition signal digitized on my Home Theatre PC, thanks.
Well even if we are really lucky and there is no relationship between climate change and pollution, we should still back off on the pollution.
It's just common sense. Don't shit where you eat, right?
This trend toward polarizing and over-simplifying every issue is really lame. I find it really scary when I see people validating their outrageous consumption levels with arguments like "global warming isn't real". Climate change is just one of many symptoms of industry's impact on this planet that anyone who is paying attention would notice.
Lets find ways to reduce waste soon. Everyone agreed? This is one of those things where "every little bit" does count and there is lots that you and me and the guy next door can do to effect real change. IMO anyone who won't even TRY to reduce their waste is a selfish moron.
In a heartbeat.
I started out on Macintosh back in the System 5 days. I really got into it with the color LC, and was working in Macintosh technical support (certified Apple technician thankyouverymuch!) until 1998, at which time I started working with Winblows and Linux almost exclusively. When I saw Win2K, I switched outright.
I don't miss the expensive and slow hardware from Apple, and I dislike the direction Jobs has continued to take - heavy on the marketing, light on the value.
I would never give up the flexibility of OEM.
But if I could run Mac OS X on my Athlon XP, I'd buy a copy tomorrow.
Of course, I'd dual-boot XP for (now this would be ironic) legacy support, but if I had the choice of relatively evil-free MacOS X on my much-cheaper-and-faster-hardware - you betcha!
I often sneer at the fantastic search capabilities (and impeccable graphics) dramatized in the CSI shows. If only the state was so organized to have so many databases immediately on hand... and if only the software was so good. Perhaps Google is in fact one step in that direction.
Also interesting, there is a phenomenon called the "CSI effect" referring to jurors expecting capabilities similar to the tv series in real-life forensic investigations...
No this is linked to Chinese people. Previously, only white folks were found with the immunity. RTFA...
Seems to me there are a growing number of irrelevant /. articles lately...