It is stupid, eeeevvviiillll and ridiculois. We did not need another stupid law like the DMCA. There are plenty of stupid laws that exist covering copyright, copyleft, copy this and copythat. And that's just dealing with IP.
No, there was no need to provide vultureistic lawyers another anvenue to file frivolous law suits... there were already plenty avenues.
Just another example of business buying out judges and assorted lawmakers. The next push will be to extend copyright to 100+ years. Business of course will use the same excuses.
The question is now, when will a religon push some insane law that allows them copyright to the bible? Don't say it can't happen. Disney stole Mickey from some other guy.
Point is there are a whole lot of compaines that have stole, appropriated, borrwed, licensed, etc something from another. Over time said company just assumes it's theirs.
Hey judges and congress people, how about auctioning off the Constitution.
Well that's just more lawyer talk which is what the article was about. If Sony had ignored their shrills Aibo IMO would have been much more popular. Who wants to buy a product knowing there are a hoard of knuckle-headed lawyers in the in the back drop just waiting for a customer to "screw up" so they can sue?
That type of position is completely counter to business.
there is not a single example, arguement, excuse, etc the DMA could offer that would convince me they should be allowed to call me.
Like I am really gona give to a DMA bozo my credit card number, SSN, mortgage rate, or any information on a cold call.
How in the world can you call MS managers top notch on any level. Hell, if I had a product that is more or less manditory to be shipped with every PC, I would not need much of a management staff or marketing for that matter.
How many times have I heard the "proprietary software" has a support package........geeesh. What a red herring that argument is.
About all those packages get you is the previlage of is supporting their what is supposed to be final version of whatever piece of crap it is.
How many times have I sat on the phone from one of these support packages, only to have them tell me;
1. Uninstall/reinstall the application.
2. Do the same for (insert one of your choice) driver.
3. (My favorite), restart the machine.
4. Blame it on Win(name your version).
For the big bucks companies pay for this supposed great support the MS arena likes to tout that is a pretty piss poor support. What? You think a company is gonna go right out and fix your problem, them recompile their application just for you? HAAH! Oh, on the very odd occassion there might be someone that will but it does not happen very often.
No, for the most part you have to wait for that "we've gottem a lot of reports about this bug" event horizon before a software company will take any kind of real action.
At least in the open source/GPL world. I gotta problem, the odds are real high of finding someone that has an answer and HOW TO FIX IT without waiting for some company to deam my problem important enough.
It is pleasing to hear India did not let themselves be blinded by his most billygness. Reading the remarks made by India after that billyg's most graceous donations, I got the feeling they were not fooled by his actions.
So does this mean Billyg will want his money back?
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Ohhhhh boy....... sign me up for the money cascade software you are so proud of.
Phhht..... like MS cares about quality. At least in open source when a problem is found they fix it. Unlike your great savior that still hasn't fixed outlook and how long has that been around.
"People actually paying to hear RMS talk really reminds me of a cult."
LOL, at least open source folks don't go around try to buy/bribe Governments, agencies, etal to use their product.
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The root-mean-square (RMS) of a variate x, sometimes called the quadratic mean, is the square root of the mean squared value of x:
Physical scientists often use the term root-mean-square as a synonym for standard deviation when they refer to the square root of the mean squared deviation of a signal from a given baseline or fit.
Just another reason why analog sound production is the only way to go.
For you digital freaks, go suck bits. Most of you probably have never heard true analog sound production anyway. So you have no clue what your talking about.
For that matter, most of you were still trying to figure out what a diaper was for.
This whole copyright thing is completely out of control and every media company/organiztion (eg, RIAA, etal) will be the first up against the wall, along with all the lawyers.
Quite frankly, coughing up clams to a closed source vendor for "support" is nearly a waste of money. In the end about all that it get you is the privlege of reporting a bug.
I have used such "support" packages before. It is now to the point that I;
1. Verify it wasn't a user doing stupid user stuff.
2. Remove, reboot, reinstall the vendors software.
3. Do a clean install of OS and vendors software.
I do all that because, for the most part (there are some rare and few exceptions) that is what they tell you to do anyway. Well, hell I'd be glad to charge my company half what they are paying for such support. Some of these support packages are not cheap.
In some cases they have been able to assist with for example, jockeying around some Oracle dll's becuase there was a requirement to run several versions at the sametime from different vendors.
However you can forget about getting any hard core, on the spot, code level fixes from a proprietary vendor.
THAT kind of fix you CAN GET from GPL/opensource. And all it costs you is the time spent doing your homework. In the meantime you limp along just as you would with proprietary support.
You did not mention licensing costs for the commercail versions. More than likely the closed source versions run only on MS. That adds another side to the cost factor you did not consider.
Not to mention forced upgrades of the MS OS/search engine. And as most know, each incarnation of Win(whatever) almost always will require more powerfull hardware. Which is something else you did not mention. With open source (Linux) you have way more flexibility in the choice of hardware you want to use.
Over all I find your analysis incomplete and one sided.
With the continued ball bat tactics Microsoft uses on organizations from federal, state, schools, private organizations ect.
While I am not real crazy about the idea of legislated opensource Microsoft makes it clear something has to be done to reign them in.
I mean threating the NSA to stop work on a secure linux? Just who the hell does Microsoft think they are? Where do they think they have the right to demand such a thing? Any government agency or business has the right to use any OS/software they want. Without the fear of threats from a vendor.
If CA does pass such a bill to make opensource at least a consideration or even manditory where appropriate, I say go for it guys.
And on some comments made about the horrible costs of administering linux and re-training costs. Nothing more than FUD.
Microsoft has already admitted their product costs more. In 1999 dollars upgrading a doze box with 10 seats cost approximately $9500 vs $1200 for a linux box. In any case even if those numbers are slightly off the fact remains the federal government pays a huge sum in license fees. Which for the most part would be insignificant is linux was in use.
As for retraining, just how stupid do you think users are? Oh yea, mouse clicking is such a drain on brain power that even a novice could not figure out how to launch OpenOffice in a few minutes.
I would like to see opensource used more in the government. It costs less short term and long term. But more importantly, since we are a government of the people by the people. Open source is written by the people for the people.
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LOL, you so funny.
No, there was no need to provide vultureistic lawyers another anvenue to file frivolous law suits... there were already plenty avenues.
Just another reason DCMA should repealled, scraped, shot to death, buried in 100 tons of concrete and dropped into the ocean.
The question is now, when will a religon push some insane law that allows them copyright to the bible? Don't say it can't happen. Disney stole Mickey from some other guy. Point is there are a whole lot of compaines that have stole, appropriated, borrwed, licensed, etc something from another. Over time said company just assumes it's theirs. Hey judges and congress people, how about auctioning off the Constitution.
Well that's just more lawyer talk which is what the article was about. If Sony had ignored their shrills Aibo IMO would have been much more popular. Who wants to buy a product knowing there are a hoard of knuckle-headed lawyers in the in the back drop just waiting for a customer to "screw up" so they can sue? That type of position is completely counter to business.
from MS. That is one of thier favorit tactics. Cut the cost of their product, even if it means losing money to kill competition.
there is not a single example, arguement, excuse, etc the DMA could offer that would convince me they should be allowed to call me. Like I am really gona give to a DMA bozo my credit card number, SSN, mortgage rate, or any information on a cold call.
Hmmmm, now that is a spin never heard till now. It would be much more accurate to say for the Win world ... Total Cost of Licenseship TCL.
It took a team of scientists to figure this out?
How in the world can you call MS managers top notch on any level. Hell, if I had a product that is more or less manditory to be shipped with every PC, I would not need much of a management staff or marketing for that matter.
About all those packages get you is the previlage of is supporting their what is supposed to be final version of whatever piece of crap it is.
How many times have I sat on the phone from one of these support packages, only to have them tell me;
1. Uninstall/reinstall the application.
2. Do the same for (insert one of your choice) driver.
3. (My favorite), restart the machine.
4. Blame it on Win(name your version).
For the big bucks companies pay for this supposed great support the MS arena likes to tout that is a pretty piss poor support. What? You think a company is gonna go right out and fix your problem, them recompile their application just for you? HAAH! Oh, on the very odd occassion there might be someone that will but it does not happen very often.
No, for the most part you have to wait for that "we've gottem a lot of reports about this bug" event horizon before a software company will take any kind of real action. At least in the open source/GPL world. I gotta problem, the odds are real high of finding someone that has an answer and HOW TO FIX IT without waiting for some company to deam my problem important enough.
It is pleasing to hear India did not let themselves be blinded by his most billygness. Reading the remarks made by India after that billyg's most graceous donations, I got the feeling they were not fooled by his actions. So does this mean Billyg will want his money back?
Phhht..... like MS cares about quality. At least in open source when a problem is found they fix it. Unlike your great savior that still hasn't fixed outlook and how long has that been around. "People actually paying to hear RMS talk really reminds me of a cult." LOL, at least open source folks don't go around try to buy/bribe Governments, agencies, etal to use their product.
The root-mean-square (RMS) of a variate x, sometimes called the quadratic mean, is the square root of the mean squared value of x: Physical scientists often use the term root-mean-square as a synonym for standard deviation when they refer to the square root of the mean squared deviation of a signal from a given baseline or fit.
So Taylor dropped drugs. Wheee whoooo. That rates in a listing. Ya that really was a societial earthshaking event.
What about the countless "lesser" folk (ie, the non-popular) that overcame a drug addition.
I think the guy that made the list was on drugs.
Just another reason why analog sound production is the only way to go. For you digital freaks, go suck bits. Most of you probably have never heard true analog sound production anyway. So you have no clue what your talking about. For that matter, most of you were still trying to figure out what a diaper was for.
That has to be a joke otherwise the world can forget about the hand basket because it's already in hell.
This whole copyright thing is completely out of control and every media company/organiztion (eg, RIAA, etal) will be the first up against the wall, along with all the lawyers.
I have used such "support" packages before. It is now to the point that I;
1. Verify it wasn't a user doing stupid user stuff.
2. Remove, reboot, reinstall the vendors software.
3. Do a clean install of OS and vendors software.
I do all that because, for the most part (there are some rare and few exceptions) that is what they tell you to do anyway. Well, hell I'd be glad to charge my company half what they are paying for such support. Some of these support packages are not cheap.
In some cases they have been able to assist with for example, jockeying around some Oracle dll's becuase there was a requirement to run several versions at the sametime from different vendors. However you can forget about getting any hard core, on the spot, code level fixes from a proprietary vendor.
THAT kind of fix you CAN GET from GPL/opensource. And all it costs you is the time spent doing your homework. In the meantime you limp along just as you would with proprietary support.
You did not mention licensing costs for the commercail versions. More than likely the closed source versions run only on MS. That adds another side to the cost factor you did not consider.
Not to mention forced upgrades of the MS OS/search engine. And as most know, each incarnation of Win(whatever) almost always will require more powerfull hardware. Which is something else you did not mention. With open source (Linux) you have way more flexibility in the choice of hardware you want to use.
Over all I find your analysis incomplete and one sided.
With the continued ball bat tactics Microsoft uses on organizations from federal, state, schools, private organizations ect. While I am not real crazy about the idea of legislated opensource Microsoft makes it clear something has to be done to reign them in. I mean threating the NSA to stop work on a secure linux? Just who the hell does Microsoft think they are? Where do they think they have the right to demand such a thing? Any government agency or business has the right to use any OS/software they want. Without the fear of threats from a vendor. If CA does pass such a bill to make opensource at least a consideration or even manditory where appropriate, I say go for it guys. And on some comments made about the horrible costs of administering linux and re-training costs. Nothing more than FUD. Microsoft has already admitted their product costs more. In 1999 dollars upgrading a doze box with 10 seats cost approximately $9500 vs $1200 for a linux box. In any case even if those numbers are slightly off the fact remains the federal government pays a huge sum in license fees. Which for the most part would be insignificant is linux was in use. As for retraining, just how stupid do you think users are? Oh yea, mouse clicking is such a drain on brain power that even a novice could not figure out how to launch OpenOffice in a few minutes. I would like to see opensource used more in the government. It costs less short term and long term. But more importantly, since we are a government of the people by the people. Open source is written by the people for the people.