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What Lawyers Can Learn From Manga
jedigeek links to this article from Lawrence Lessig, writing "This article explains the interesting phenomenon of dojinshi, and why dojinshi helps fuel the production of original manga. From a western-perspective, dojinshi breaks copyright laws, but, according to the article's author: 'The law is a rough-edged tool. It was not crafted by geniuses of economics.' In a time when laws like the DMCA exist and are being exploited, this is certainly food for thought."
This place is developing an echo...when are we actually gonna make a dent in the real world?
The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky
H dojinshi is always very influential in making me come up with nice new ideas... For plot ideas, duh... And not dirty ones either.
I dont know if I would call it an "obsession" any more than I would call the US' dependence (to one level or another) on newspapers and "obsession". Manga is more of a cultural thing.
Apparently, slash is big in japan.. except they actually have the talent to do slash with art, rather than slash with badly-spelled-web-log-entries.
*sigh*
I was given a book on how to draw Manga.. and the
"rules" of character design, etc, are very very interesting.
Maeryk
Feminine Protection? What is that? A chartreuse flame thrower?
Fuck off! I did flesh pole. I RULE fuckahz!!!!!!
you couldn't get first post even if you were
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another victim of the American short attention span!
article.pl showed up in my referrer logs. What is article.pl?
rule this biatch
Seriously.
If you guys need some porn, just ask. Its not that scary, and your mom doesn't have to know. You really don't need to resort to drawing your own.
Bowie J. Poag
Noo... I don't watch dirty animes... what gives you that idea...?
I'd still like to see an anime that gets it's characters from a dirty H-Dojinshi...
new and better ways of tentacle rape that they can then apply to their clients.
Oh, wait...
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
Orifices that human beings were not meant to penetrate...with tentacles, no less.
There are a huge number of yeast infections in this county. Probably because we're downriver from the bread factory.
I don't think lawyers need to learn how to tentacle-rape 14 year old girls.
(they already do a pretty good job of raping their clients anyway! ba-dum ksshh)
No disrespect to Lawrence Lessig - the man is a brilliant lawyer and a champion for consumers against copywright abuse, but does /. have to put everything he publishes on the front page???
Everyone is so concerned about the right to "copy". Whatever happened to creating stuff new out of nothing? Has society gotten so lazy that it must steal everything now, including new or improved intellectual concepts from those that actually get off their ass to do it?
Anyone else think laws should be open-sourced so that we all, as a community of Americans, can view, revise, and change things as need be?
(If we could do this, cruel and blatantly odd laws that allow such travesties as the DMCA, etc. wouldn't be allowed to exist.)
Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate. Ex-O'Reilly/MIT employee, now a full-time Google employee.
Lawyers do NOT want companies thinking like this article suggests. They WANT companies starting lawsuits over the smallest of violations, real or imagined.
It's how they get themselves paid.
Why would they want anything else? They coach their clients strongly to persue every available legal option by using the tried and true "scare tactic" marketing technique: "If you DON'T sue them, think what the NEXT person might do - you don't want your product to get away from you!".
"Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence." - Charles de Gaulle
Doujinshi is fan drawn and developed. This is not a new phenomenon as copying original work has always been viewed as flattery in Japan. It is our application of Western laws and thinking that sparks the copyright debate.
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"There's a lesson in this example that executives in the content industry should think about before they sign away their businesses to lawyers. The law is a rough-edged tool. It was not crafted by geniuses of economics. How it affects new and different markets is uncertain. A smart business therefore asks not whether the use of its content is "theft," but whether the use of its content will (eventually at least) benefit it. The business of business is to make business, not to purify the world of copyright violations..."
Is it just me or doues this sound like the definition of business for it's own sake? I realize the business of business is to make profit, but that statement make it sound as if the law is a secondary concern, an inconvinience that need be followed only if you're in a good mood.
And of course the law is a rough edged tool when viewed upon from a purely business stand point. That's because most laws aren't designed with only business in mind. There are these things called "people" too...
Oh, and didn't they know that purging the world of copywrite violations creates business too? Maybe they should have had somebody else write this piece...
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[i]consumers should be banned from hacking Sony dogs,[/i]
From the article:
Management should begin to demand a business justification for copyright litigation. How does this legal action advance the bottom line? How will it grow markets or increase consumer demand for our products? Will calling our customers criminals increase consumer loyalty?
If only more executives would ask these questions. Few businesses have realized the true power of fans and fan or user created content. Just look at the classic example of Half Life and Counter Strike. Where did these ideas that copyright law trumps the copyright holder's profits come from anyway?
Who said Freedom was Fair?
I can already tell that 99% of the comments here are going to be about tentacle rape and sticky comic books. Grow up. Yes there is a large market for pornographic or otherwise 'adult' drawings in Japan. There is also a large market for adult DVDs here in the states. "Deep Throat" has probably sold more home copies than any other movie in the history of US cinema. Does that make every movie released in the states a porno?
The article has nothing to do with that. It is about how "borrowing" copyrighted characters for non-authorized purposes is not necessarily bad. So take your hentai debates somewhere else.
All about tentacle rape. Laywers love tentacle rape.
Anyhow, does anyone know of any good online dojinshi that aren't in japanese? (excluding megatokyo) Do the Japanese even have webcomics? I havn't heard of any, but if they did, that would really kill their manga/dojinshi industry. The thing is a lot of people (adults to children) read dojinshi casually, which is pretty different than here, where if you are 43 and go on a bus reading batman, you'll get weird looks.
when you have clueless posters who don't wait to read the blurb, let alone the linked story. But isn't that the charm of Slashdot?
No I haven't read Megatokyo. But I will google for it. Thanks for the lead.
Btw, have you seen the "La Blue Girl" series? Excellent intro to hentai *cough*
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
You must not have seen the Load/Reload covers yet...
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
Lawyers can learn more on page 3 of the article.
But then again, how many land before time movies have they made?
Ummm... the obligatory:
IN SOVIET RUSSIA FLESH POLE DOES YOU!!!
Sorry folks... it was just asking for it.
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Apparently, in Japan, creating works based on someone's creations is considered flattery towards the creator. Sounds good to me - I'd be pretty happy if someone thought enough of my work to want to make works derived from it.
Bear in mind, though, that there is a very fine line between flattery and profiteering off someone elses hard work...
What Lawyers Can Learn From Manga!!! more like celda
It's amazing what type of sick fanfics there are out there if you actually look. I try not to, but I find them. Pikachu... Nooo.....
Simply LMAO...
Dude... what is your problem? Some people enjoy anime, let them be. Personally, I enjoy anime AND I'm married. So much for your theory about pimply faced teens that can't get any action. My wife watches it with me and enjoys it just as much as I do. The story lines are facinating and MUCH more interesting than most movies with flesh and blood people in them. Of course I also enjoy porn... nuthin' wrong with that either. My wife agrees on that point too. Methinks YOU may have been the pimply faced teen with no action. Come on... admit it. You'll be a lot happier once you do and move on...
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As usual, Lessig makes some great points. Unfortunately, expecting the litigation industry to learn from dojinshi is like expecting the pharmaceutical industry to embrace naturopathic healing. As he says at the end, it's really the business leaders themselves who have to learn this lesson and put it into action, taking their companies back from their attorneys, and in the process (quite incidentally) letting us participate in our own culture rather than merely "consuming" it.
IANAL, etc
Trademarks, IIRC, must be vigorously defended or else the company risks losing rights to it, correct?
I think many businesses are carrying that philosophy to copyrights as well. They believe if they don't go after each and every person, they'll lose the whole enchilada.
Lawyers need to learn that if they go after doujinshi Excel is going to go all psycho on their butts. Even her conscience is a murderer. (Yes, I know she was ordered to kill the Manga-Ka, but hey, she didn't go through with it... well, ok, so she killed him once, but she didn't do it again when the great will of the macrocosm reset the plot.)
"To many, business is beneath the law. When a Sony lawyer threatened a fan of the company's Aibo robotic dog, who had posted a hack online to teach the dog to dance to jazz, he or she no doubt never thought to ask exactly how making the Aibo dog more valuable to customers could possibly harm Sony. Harm was not the issue, a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act was: consumers should be banned from hacking Sony dogs, whether or not it was to Sony's benefit."
You know, I'm a little surprised Sony (of all places) doesn't understand this concept. It would be hard to argue that one of Quake n's most appetizing features was the mods available to it. Though ID didn't make money off the mods themselves, it helped make sure that many many MANY copies of Quake were sold. Sony, with its game division, should be eyeballing Id more carefully than that.
Is how many tentacles a girl can take up the twat.
Fanfics and such annoy me though... Seriously.... My Eng 256 (creative writing) class was 50% fanfic, mostly of anime, and most of it being utter crap. I swear, while I can understand that one *might* get more acceptance if he treads on the beaten path, I find that it's just a lo teasier to be creative and make my own plots and characters. That's half the fun of writing a comic/story, right?
I was hoping NOT to have to look at another article on anime after specifically checking off anime in my preferences.
Is it just me or does this sound like the definition of business for it's own sake? I realize the business of business is to make profit, but that statement make it sound as if the law is a secondary concern, an inconvinience that need be followed only if you're in a good mood.
Lessig is NOT arguing that businesses should break the law, he's arguing that content holders should recognize when it is in their best interest to enforce their "legal rights" and when it's best to just let it pass.
If my rights are violated, I can CHOOSE whether or not to press charges. If I choose not to, then there's nothing stopping anyone from violating those rights, especially if I make my intentions public. If I decide that certain rights aren't worth defending, or as Lessig points out are actually more profitable to me if I allow them to be "violated," then no one else can come in and tell me I must defend myself. In general it's not a smart idea to give away your rights, but perhaps Lessig has a point here that some laws and rights don't always protect they way you want them to and in fact you'd be better off not enforcing them.
In practice this may happen more often than you think. Sometimes it's not worth the trouble hauling someone into court when you can deal with it person to person. Even the GPL itself "gives away" rights the law gives to copyright holders. In this case, such free software advocates feel the loss of traditional copyright privileges is outweighed by the gains of free-as-in-speech software.
Who said Freedom was Fair?
While this culture certainly seems more rational about copyrights than ours is, the simple truth is you can't tell people that they have "rights" and then never expect them to effectively secure them, that is just as wrong as the copyright lords are. The DMCA and other laws like it are just that, people trying to secure rights that we have told them that they have, and are the main reason copyrights are so evil. The effects of copyrights are like a vine that will never stop growing until we cut it off at the root. Information is so easy to copy and manipulate that in the long run there can be no middle ground. Either all information will be controlled or none of it.
vote.
it's that simple.
really.
... change the laws to force people into it!
The original poster had it all wrong, the point is not to ignore the law to do whatever you want but rather realizing the law is a tool that you need not always apply. Just because someone copies content of yours does not *nessicarily* mean your business will suffer as a result, and a smart business that realizes that can take advantage over another that spends precious resources fighting for ill-thought governmental policy.
It's all about being a tool of the law, vs. using the law as a tool. I guess that's the short summary I was trying to arrive at before.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I'm posting anonymously because I happen to work at Sony Electronics. Let me put it this way: Sony is big. Sony is REAL big. There are people in Sony who love open source and all that jazz. There are others who have no idea what that means.
Sony is also in a difficult position. It is one of the few (only?) companies that both produces content (Sony Music, Sony Films) and the technology to play it on (Sony Electronics). So there are competing forces within Sony itself. A win for the content people sometimes means a loss for the tech people. And the way Sony is structured means that these divisions are essentially autonomous. Only in the very upper levels do they come under one roof, so often there isn't a lot of effort to really try to work together beyond simply promoting a common brand image.
I often see a lot of grumbling about Sony here on Slashdot, but honestly, I like the company. I think Sony has the resources and position to do things right. At least that's my hope. And somedays I perhaps I don't like everything about the place, but that's just it -- corporations are big and you have to take the good with the bad. Even Microsoft I'm sure has some very well meaning intelligent people somewhere in there.
DISCLAIMER: the above comment expresses only the views of the author and does not in any way express the views of Sony Electronics or any of its associates.
So...
...can I have some porn then?
Note to M1-ers: a curt but otherwise insightful message is not "Flamebait" or "Troll".
That said, since the publishing/media indsutry is so oligopolized, it might be hard to convince publishers to try "risky" marketing methods.
Also, perhaps you need a culture of copycat for it to work. So perhaps one cartoon with copycat rights granted would be insufficient?
If its one thing I've learned, it's not to knock what floats someone's boat just because it doesn't float yours. Just because their tastes don't match yours does not make them any less human. Intolerance is a great way to make enemies of people who otherwise wouldn't give a shit.
Oh, by the way, numbnuts, doujinshi is simply fan drawn manga. It is not necessarily pornographic. It seems you are thinking of hentai in general. Try learning a little more about things before you deside to snub it. It will make your argument much more sound if you know what you are talking about.
Ok, I'm done combing your boogers out of my hair now.
Any sufficiently advanced influence is indistinguishable from control.
I doubt the RIAA or MPAA really cares that much about derivative works. You don't hear Weird Al getting sued for doing parodies of popular songs, for instance. The RIAA and MPAA are concerned about bootleg copies of their work. Examples like this are not going to convince them that p2p sharing of their material and burning copies of cds is not costing them business.
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Look, IP rights were originally introduced to promote innovation. But today many people see them as fundamental rights. The fact that they are a means to an end, not an end in themselves, has been long forgotten.
But this is true of other rights. Capitalism is a succesful mechanism that generates great wealth all round (though maybe not for everyone). Capitalism rests on property rights. So do we have property rights because they actually make most people better off, or are they fundamental rights - an end in themselves. In fact the truth is the latter. Where property rights impinge on the common good (whatever that is) we have to sacrifice them - even though the Constitution might suggest otherwise. So, for example, we pay taxes.
Even freedom of speech has two sides. You can see it as a fundamental right but it's also a means to an end. A society which doesn't repress free speech is one in which good ideas that benefit all eventually see the light and in which bad ones can be argued away.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
Nor can Hilary Rosen, or Jack Valenti or any of those pinhead types. See, they probably have never heard 99.9% of the music they represent, nor seen 99.9 % of the movies. They're a perfect example of the cancer that's killing innovation (and with it, the economy) in the U.S. Today.
Here's an even better example:
E-Books:
My wife loves E-books, they're cheap and she can buy and download them online (read: Impulse buy for instant gratification). What does drive her crazy though is that she can't print most of them. She has to be tied to a computer to read them. So, she winds up buying a mix of books or goes to the library.
Enter Elcomsoft...a Russian company that can fix this...which will make my wife happy so she'll buy even MORE e-books. Another thing that Elcomsoft's product can do is open up an entire NEW MARKET..the blind book market. See, the millions of blind people in the world can't USE
E-books, but with Elcomsoft's program these books can be read on a standard text reader that many of these blind people use. Instead of JUMPING FOR JOY at this innovative product that can result in MILLIONS MORE E-books being sold, the industry sues it out of existance. Now, explain to me how THAT made any sense? Like I'm a six year old.
As an English-speaking lawyer for Matushita who spends six months of every year in Tokyo on business, I feel qualified to point out that Lessig's argument is complete rubbish, the worst kind of false equivalence. The fact that the article is at "redherring" makes me smirk for the irony.
I shouldn't have to state that Japanese law is derived from Japanese culture and history, as it should be obvious. As is American law. That Lessig feels he can point to the unmolested existence of dojinshi and sagely nod and conclude the extraneousness of the DMCA indicates a lack of understanding of this fundamental piece of context. He might just as well point to the infamous sword-carrying laws of greater Japan and conclude their necessity in Oklahoma, for it's just as much of a culturally-rooted issue.
This analogy is de faillir invalid, and that makes the comparison meaningless and renders the article as fluff in my view, anti-propagandist propaganda. It doesn't serve the cause of good to use the tactics of evil... perhaps Lessig should read more manga to figure this out. Attacking things like the DMCA with arguments with such massive built-in Achilles' heels is foolish at best, dangerous at worst.
And then there's Filk .
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Wrong it was Titanic, Deep Throat doesn't even make the 20 list (nor does any pornographic movie) don't believe me? Blockbuster...
If you let other people use it pell mell, it no longer is distinguishing anything at all, and you lose your rights to it.
Yes. That's what I said.
Copyright doesn't work like that at all.
My point is that businesses are acting like it *does* work like that.
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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom
What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom
What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
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can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
15158
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom
What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
18675
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
4935
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
30416
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
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No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
24187
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
1437
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
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No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
15991
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
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No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
10769
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
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No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
29444
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom
What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
12043
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
30538
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
21450
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom
What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
10157
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
15181
%'*n#^r$hnw"mxcgd89puNo, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom
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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
27181
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
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No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
7617
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
17114
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
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No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
443
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom
What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
5050
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
17847
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
29491
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
25354
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
30166
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom
What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
16980
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom
What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
28703
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom
What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
26128
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom
What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
649
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
19154
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom
What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
9729
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
21847
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom
What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
22688
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
11628
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I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude
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No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that,
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!
27189
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Intellegent life has been found!
it's called dragon ball GT :) the sequel
TiVo has always had a cool relationship with its hackers. They encurage hacking activities, and even included unsupported backdoors in their software that often let hackers walk right in to what they want access to.
However, there are limits to this. Particularly, when it comes to extracting the video files out of the units onto PCs. Simply put, if that hack was to be widespread, that'd cause TiVo some headaches with the TV industry, and they really don't want that. So, some people have tried, but but they have found plenty of roadblocks in their path, and they're frowned upon by the general TiVo hacking community. Another clear no-no is any hack that allows users to bypass paying their monthly fee to TiVo, since that'd be a direct threat to the company's business model.
TiVo's basically practicing what the article suggests, allow users to extend the capabilities of your product, and sometimes even recognize those users and incorperate what they found into the product. However, when the users stray into the territory where their hacks harm the business, that's when they call in the attack lawyers. In the end, hackers are allowed to do their thing, but kept in the box right where the company wants themm too.
There is a difference between the word of the law and the intent of the law, and thats something thats really hard to get lawyers to understand.
"your plan is a mistake", he repeated "this world is a mistake", I replied.
Where? Nobody told me.
...correlation does not equal causation. Theories like these are always applied to more popular intellectual property when they should be applied to the most mundane of intellectual property. Just because some more popular things benefit from this blind consent does not mean that everything will magically benefit from this consent. In the end, it should be left up to the owner of the intellectual property to make this decision.
Yes. *I* have a big problem with that!! What are you going to do about it homo!
Did anyone notice the reference to 'Chicago' the musical? It's a great movie by the way, I just saw it last night.
Please do not reply.
Proud user of the most advanced desktop operating system ever.
In related news, the entire European culture for the past 1000 years sued Disney due to it's embrace and extend propiatization of classic public domain fairy tales.
________________________________________ History Must Not Fall Into The Wrong Hands ___________________________________
This article is similar, but it addresses fan fiction.
It's really no different than the argument over VHS tapes which led to the time-shifting decision: these new ways to look at copyrights will only lead to larger and more lucrative markets.
LadyStar - Your Magical and Mysterious Adventure Awaits
Lawyers should be placed on the Arc B together with telephone sanitizers, advertising account executives, hairdressers, insurance salesmen and management consultants, then sent on a direct course towards a nice distant and solid planet to save them from being eaten alive by the mutant star goat.
Arc B should of course be sent ahead of the other arcs --- there's nothing nicer than a nice clean telephone to welcome home the producers and achievers.
"The question of whether machines can think is no more interesting than [] whether submarines can swim" - Dijkstra
The corporation exists to make money. That is its sole purpose in life. Any path that makes more money therefore becomes the correct one.
Laws can influence what is the correct path by providing economic incentives. All such laws can do is to tip the scales a bit further in one direction or the other. It is important to understand that just because something is law, does not make it right in the eyes of the corporation.
An very simple example would be the executive on his/her way in a hurry to the airport for a business-critical (firm-survival-critical) client meeting. The correct thing to do is to take the car to the airport, drive it up on the sidewalk by the airport entrance, and abandon it there to rush to the flight. Illegal, yes, but the economic benefit of getting the sale far outweighs the economic disadvantage (cost) of the parking violation and getting the towed-away car out of the compound.
In other circumstances, economic penalties (like for dumping toxins) provide an incentive that actually does tip the scale. It's a matter of the strength of the penalty.
Corporations exist to make money. The correct course of action for a corporation is the one that generates the most money. Law is just one factor among many here, and it does not have any veto rights or other special standing among the economic factors that apply to a decision.
This is how it's pronounced according to the article. Actually, the Japanese don't emphasise syllables, hence this would just be Do-jin-she.
Jigglypuff... Now that name in itself is vaguely dirty...
This is what I know about doujinshi. I'm sure that I might be missing some small details, but it is an interesting contrast to the concepts of Intellectual Property that we have in the US.
As the article states, doujinshi are "fan comics" created mainly by amatures that are based on existing works by professional manga artists.
Doujin varies greatly in quality and content. Lots of it is complete crap, while some of it is actually very good, arguably better than the work it is derived from. Additionally, a lot of doujin is pornographic in nature, though not all of it is.
It is similar to fanfiction, except there is one huge difference between fanfiction in the US and doujin in Japan. Doujin artists actually SELL their work for profit. There are even stores deticated just to doujin in Japan, not to mention
many very large conventions centered around doujin.
In the US, the owners of the original work would no doubt sue the pants off of anyone who tried this. If I were to make an "X-Men" fan comic and try to sell it, I could expect a big fat lawsuit from Marvel comics. However, in Japan, doujin artists are very rarely prosecuted.
The only time I can think of a doujin artist being sued is when Nintendo took legal action against a female doujin artist for making a Pokemon-based comic where Pikachu is raped by Satoshi (Ash).
I can't really blame them for that one...
Most of the time pro manga artists see the doujinshi based on their works as homage. Infact, many major manga artists (such as Akamatsu Ken, creator of Love Hina) got their start doing doujin.
Doujinshi have been around for a LONG time. Obviously, the presence of these fan comics have done little to no harm to the professional manga and anime industries. Those who produce doujin are typically the most hard core and loyal fans of the professional works, after all.
I think doujinshi is an excellent example that derivitive works really do not dilute trademarks, or any such nonsense, and that these works actually help to promote fandom of the original work. If only our friends in the RIAA and MPAA could understand that... but I guess it is pointless, after all.
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
Copyright doesn't prevent anyone from reusing story ideas. And as far as the visuals, every piece an artist draws themselves is completely original. Again, you can't copyright style.
It is one of the few (only?) companies that both produces content (Sony Music, Sony Films) and the technology to play it on (Sony Electronics).
What about Microsoft, with the Xbox hardware and Xbox software?
What about Nintendo, with the GameCube hardware and GameCube software?
What about Nintendo, with the GBA hardware and GBA software?
And the way Sony is structured means that these divisions are essentially autonomous.
What about Sony Computer Entertainment the PS2 console maker and Sony Computer Entertainment the PS2 game publisher?
Will I retire or break 10K?
Hey Bowie! You must be gettin' mellow with age. You gonna let that trolling 4 dollars guy get away with what he said about you? Damn. You used to have the razor tongue and the rapier wit. I guess everyone has his day. Laterz.
Sports broadcasts have always been copyrighted. That's been true since the beginning of time. However, sports leagues usually require that the broadcasters who purchase rights allow their footage to be used in limited contexts in by other media outlets.
The result is that you see MLB, NFL, NBA and NHL highlights on SportsCenter and your local nightly newscasts.
Now, take the Olympics. NBC presently has a multi-year deal with the USOC that is very tight on how much Olympic video can be used, and when it can be used. Nobody can air even a small clip from a 2002 Olympic skating routine, even if it's a program being put together by the skater who performed in the first place.
The point? Major sports are still doing just fine in most cases, while the Olympics seems to be suffering from a general lack of interest. Apparently letting highlights be aired on the 11pm news actually helps the popularity of a sporting event...
As an anime fan since the late 80s, I had been aware of doujinshi, but it was not until my trips to Tokyo that I truly began to comprehend it. What I observed was:
1) Doujinshi is not allways "copycat". There are some small
fan-run books that are called doujinshi (and sold at Comic Market) that are totally original.
2) A lot of it is about porn. And about seeing your favorite anime character violated, often by tenticles. Yes, there are some original "fanfic" type stories...but there is also a lot of Sailor Moon meets Urotsukudoji. I couldn't believe the things they were doing to poor Ami-chan!
3) The Japanese are a lot more liberal about their hand-drawn porn than we are. The yaoi (boy-boy) stuff is right there with the girl-girl stuff. Women in Japan appear to be as open about liking boy-boy as men are about girl-girl. Porn is just porn.
4) Doujinshi is where folks seem to start. First you make a doujinshi of a magical girls series you like. Then you make your own magical girl. Then you decide if you really want to be a manga-ka and start trying to make a name for yourself. If you get lucky you might get in one of the anthologies - the collections put out weekly or monthly the size of small phonebooks.
Shopping for this stuff in Japan is quite fun. My best friend came with me on one of my business trips, and I came back to the hotel after the first day and he'd already scored. In fact he got me a doujinshi of my favorite Sailor Senshi getting violated several ways.
If you're in Japan and want to go shopping for anime, porn, or even animated porn, you have to go to Akihabara. The most magical place on earth. Not just tons of electronics, but tons of small bookstores. I highly recommend Cheap Bastard's Tokyo Anime Shopping Guide - it will take you on a tour through Akihabara that you will not forget. (But if you're gonna print it out at work, make sure to get it before anyone else does. You wouldn't want your boss to think you're going to Japan to shop for porn.)
"Where quality is like a dead stinking rat - you just can't miss it."
This article makes it sound as though it is the lawyers who get "queasy" over copyright issues. Lawyers don't get queasy, they get money. It's the overly-selfish copyright holder - the lawyers' clients - who think any time someone utters the name of their copyrighted work they are losing money (and then they file an infringement suit). Don't blame the lawyers; blame greedy (and stupid) copyright holders.
Stupid people make stupid things profitable.
While I agree with some of the comments about lawyers looking for the most moneymaking option for themsleves in the U.S., let's drop the lawyers for a moment.
..U.S. businesses on the other hand figure that the only way they can make money (fast or otherwise) is to have complete control over their product, which in turn opens the floodgates for the lawyers, monopoly laws, and other such things needed to make sure that the businesses have complete and total (redundancy intended) control.
What I gathered from the article is that the Japanese publishers look to make money from their work and are open for different interpretations as long as it still makes them money...
"Power corrupts. PowerPoint corrupts absolutely."
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...
Okay, not so long ago and not so far away, there was another situation where copyright violation kept an IP alive. It's called Star Trek.
For those too young to remember, there was a 10 year period (1969-79) where Star Trek was just another cancelled TV series. A lame animated series showed up in 73(?) that quickly died and there were novelizations of both series, but otherwise, the only "authorized" new ST material was a dozen or so novels of varying degrees of quality. That and tons of fan fiction. The sort of stuff that Paramont gets real huffy about these days. Sturgeon's law applied to the results; most of it was crap (did anyone else run across any of the K/S stuff?), but the stuff that wasn't crap helped keep the franchise alive and Rick Berman employed. This was a time when fanzines were typed and mimeographed, mail involved paper and stamps, videotape was 3/4" wide and only used by TV stations... The point being that a cavalier attitude towards copyrights made it possible for Paramont to to make millions of dollars sucking the life and spirit from the desicated husk of Star Trek, long after their attempts to kill it failed.
"I'm a scientist! I don't think, I observe!" - Dr. Clayton Forrester
Something along the lines of the
Open Gaming Licence,
that spells out what a work of fanfic may/may not do,
and what legalese one must comply with to publish it.
>;k
Talk about easy marks.
The autotelic Mr. Lessig's day job at Stanford is creating the very IP parasites he rails on about. On weekends he hides behind white papers (dresses up in sheep's clothing) to protect you from his last crop of leaches.
"What a lot of unmitagated gall you have, grandma!"
"All the better to lop off an arm and a leg, my children!"
The only reason any of us will ever need a greedy hypocrite like Lessig is to protect us from a greedy hypocrite like Lessig.
I really need to meet Lawrence Lessig, if only for these facts:
1) His name is Lawrence
2) He's an adult, and still goes by the name Lawrence
3) He was raised by parents who named him Lawrence
4) He was raided by parents whose last name is Lessig, and they named him Lawrence
5) He's a lawyer... aw shit, I gotta start over
Yeah... I think ole Larry could learn a few things from a good tentacle rape, too
There are an infinite number of possibilities we haven't seen. The problem is that we've become so conditioned by what we have seen and so arrogant in our outlook that we've become blind to those possibilities. Thus what we see as brilliant genius or creativity generally springs from a simple open-mindedness that we're all capable of...except (as your comment illustrates) we're already convinced there's nothing new under the sun, so we don't bother trying.
There are new stories - you just need to step away from the old ones in order to tell them. Harder than it sounds, I'll admit, but not impossible (else your thesis would reduce to absurdity, and nothing new would ever have been done before for us to rip off ;).
A while ago, I saw an ad in the Village Voice placed by Showtime-- apparently they're holding their own Queer as Folk fanfiction contest. This is probably one of the few examples in the US of a creator/content provider supporting the derivative works of fans (but note the legalese submission rules ^_~). I'm curious to know if there are any more ^_^
BTW, I collect doujinshi, and the arguement that such derivative works only fuels the demand for originals is very true. As my collection grows, I have become more a fan of the works the doujinshi are based off of than back when I had no doujinshi.
new series on slashdot, coming soon:
What a lawyer can learn from kindergarten
What a lawyer can learn from a brainless
What a lawyer can learn from a chicken crossing the roda
What a lawyer can learn from a dead cow
What a lawyer can learn from a kick in the ass
I'm looking forward to these!
Whether a story is original or not has nothing to do with influences that it may have from others. Point blank most artists, and people in general, won't call a story a rip off if it's good.
Take rap music for instance. It consists of vocals over samples from previously recorded songs. However people won't call a song that's really hot a ripoff despite the fact that samples could have been taken from 20 other songs.
The fact is that originality consists of creating Art which is greater than the sum of it's parts. Not necessarily creating something entirely unique. You have to add your own twist to what your copying but more importantly that twist has got to wow us.
NB: Also keep in mind that although your country's common stories might be played out to you, there's a whole world of fiction out their and you ain't seen nothing yet. Trust me.
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Lawrence Lessig refers to an article published in the Rutgers Law Review this past fall by Temple Law professor Salil Mehra. The Mehra paper is here in pdf form.
European culture should get back to it's job: creating new fairy tales which are gruesome and violent, then waiting several centuries for some German academics to tone them down, then waiting for Disney to make them into a watchable movie.
Doojinshi (double vowel) is actually smiled upon by companies and artists becuase they help sales of originals by sparking more interest, like fanfiction...plus I believe they fall under Fair-Use (if such a thing really exists anymore, heh), and that as long as the original work and artist is noted it shouldn't be that bad...Corporate America does need a lesson.... I've started trying to draw manga for a while, and I'm getting better, those How TO Draw books don't provide rules, but more guidelines you don't HAVE to follow.
There is another reason publishers are reluctant to go after doujinshi writers. There are quite a few professional manga artists that got their start by writing doujinshi. Some publishers see the doujinshi market as training ground for new professional manga artists, from where they can hire the best. Also, some are afraid of offending their artists, who still have many connections with the doujin field.
Bowie... I've been waiting a long time for this opportunity:
Blow it out your canker infested asshole you turd!!! Ever since you made those comments about me on Usenet a few years ago, I swore I'd follow you with a vengance to any forum you care to put your worthless dogrel on. You are a sorry, nasty, lonely, bitter turd. I hate you. I hate the day you were born. I hate the fact that you even have access to the internet. You should be banned from anything online because you are an annoyance. The website that I put up to decry your ridiculousness is only a testament to how foul and odious you really are. I'm sure you've seen it. I KNOW others have seen it and they've given me the "high five" time and time again. No one wants to hear what you spew from your festering gobbethole. Just log off for godd, will you!
Actually, I'm a pretty fit guy for a "geek" and my wife is truly sexy (Think Ginger Spice). Sorry, but I think it is YOU who has the pasty ass. Mine is decently olive like the rest of me because I am a latino baby!! Shows what you know about real women assmunch.
One of the car companies wields the DMCA against a 3rd party manufacturer(s) - and successfully prevents them from making aftermarket parts for their car because the part design 'violates' the copyrighted design.
At that point, you will only be able to buy replacement (read - expensive) parts from an authorized dealer. Why not go one step further, and make it illegal to work on your car - take it apart, and see how it works. Sounds like reverse engineering to me, and is that not already prohibited?
I sincerely hope it happens, because everyone will find out really fast how many millions of backwoods/redneck folk with guns are in this country with broken down trucks. Not smart, but if something is not done, this is coming. Yes there is a little sarcasm, but....
Chris...
It does not matter what you do, it's wrong.
Ever heard the phrase "tyranny of the majority"? Cruel and blatantly odd laws would exist, they'd just be created by the voters rather then the corporations. It's quite possible that we would still have slavery, lynchings, child labor and even worse institutions if the average person could change the law rather then have to open his mind. (Which is just what corporations do.)
--
est modus in rebus
Microsoft and Nintendo do _not_ produce content... I.E., music and films.
I disagree with your definition of "content". I consider "content" to include any copyrighted work whose purpose is not primarily functional. Thus, my definition of "content" excludes the game engine but includes models, textures, audio, and cut-scene/NPC scripts.
Even under your definition of content (musical works, sound recordings, and audiovisual works), I still think games have "content". Games include music. Games include cut scenes, especially some Squaresoft games, which have pretty much turned into movies lately.
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I like to read it, I like to write it and I like to draw it. You have no idea how cute some of the LOTR doujinshi are! Chibi Gandalf! If someone does fanart of my web comics I'm certainly flattered. But unless I'm published and making money off it myself I wouldn't want them selling thier parodies....but of course no one does that. People sell parodies of popular things the authors are already making a living off of. People do sell original doujinshi at comiket too you know.
catgirls and fairies
I would be willing to pay say, 1-2 dollars for an e-book. If one of the current best sellers was available, hey, that a good price for me, seems reasonable. THe last plce i saw that was selling this sort of thing was peanutpress.com, and they were charging cover price (6.99) for books in palm and various formats. Not their fault, its the publishers. THe seem to run a pretty decent organization. I WILL NOT pay cover price for an e-book that i dont get a dead tree copy of. I love being able to read e-books off my palm/compaq, etc. I have a huge e-book library, and once something hits paperback, it will be avaliibel as an e-book. But not availible legally. I cant BUY the book for a reaonalb e price, but they are available free, if you know whwere to look. THis bothers me. I want to give my favrite authors money. But their publishers wont let me pay them legally, at a reasonable rate. I dont understand this. I have the same problem with music ,only this e-book problem is not as well known. ANd yes, i know about fairtunes and the like
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All Troll + "offtopic" mods are meta moderated as "Unfair", because you abused the system.
Ebooks are not a right. If you can't afford them then don't buy them. It doesn't give you a right to break the law...It gives you a right to complain.
stupid, unenforcible laws is a great american tradition!!!
(n/t)
Karma: Excellent Birds (mostly as a result of listening to Laurie Anderson)
After reading through the summary, 3 comments, and the article I barely surmised that the story has some kind of vague reference to Anime and/or comic books, other than that I am totally lost. There is a reason for the fucking topics like Anime, it is so that people like me who have them disabled don't have to be subjected to this bullshit. Please, don't post articles on here under "law" that only have to do with anime.
You just 'copied' somebody else's work legally.
Go sit in your hole.
-- Ender, Duke_of_URL
> Copyright doesn't prevent anyone from reusing
> story ideas
Tell that to the author of _the wind done gone_. Nice try.
> every piece an artist draws themselves is
> completely original.
Bzzzt. Thanks for playing. That's called a derivitave work. You're in violation, hope you have enough money to prove otherwise. If you have the money, you can rip other people off, oh say Lion King. 20,000 Leagues, etc, etc. If not, like say any of the disney stuff - kaput. Although I think they got them on trademark. But same diff, you're not allowed to draw Mickey Mouse.
Silly feebs.
-- Ender, Duke_of_URL
About a year and a half ago or so, an Everquest player had his game account banned and was asked to remove some fan fiction from a website by Sony (and I believe there was a threat of legal action if he did not). That fiction involved a 14-year-old dark elf female being raped.
But, as was frequently pointed out in the resulting furor (the player in question apologized and took it like a man, but some players want any reason to bitch), the general policy on EQ fan sites is to let them be, and even throw them bones now and then. People post screenshots, walk-throughs, fan fics, and all kinds of other game-related content all over the web. And apparently Sony Online Entertainment and/or Verant Interactive realize that this is a *good* thing, so long as it doesn't hurt their image. They also realize that if they decide a particular work is hurting them more than helping them (as they decided with the depiction of child rape), they have the right to enforce their copyright selectively.
It seems that perhaps copyright law needs a proof of damage clause attached to it, similar to slander and libel. This could be used to expand the doctrine of Fair Use, for example. In many cases such a clause wouldn't be appropriate; you could, if it were done badly, end up with situations where someone loses their copyright because "they weren't using it." (Of course, that happens now, too... see the Darwin fish. But anyway.)
Don't you wish your girlfriend was a geek like me?
They wouldn't and don't produce content that is playable on other electronics.
Possibly true of Nintendo, but Microsoft publishes games that run on Dell, Gateway, HP, or any other brand of x86 PC on Windows, Lindows, Lycoris, or any other OS that implements Win32.
Will I retire or break 10K?
damn Blockbuster... I cant even rent "Encino Housewife Hookers" there.
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
From what I've seen, it seems like RIAA's lawyers have been influenced by manga and anime. They're basically doing to the consumer what aliens do with their tentacles on japanese school girls.
.smell my feet.
> The corp. itself has to have some other objective
> (e.g., making hammers), and you have to say what
> it is in order to be granted incorporation.
So you become a holding corporation, and just own other corporations.
Or you start doing one thing (IBM) and end up in completely different business paths.
Back in the day, when a corporation started conducting business outside it's charter, it got it's charter revoked, and it's assets auctioned off to give money to the shareholders. Which is the way it should be, with appropriate fines to the jurisdiction it is in.
-- Ender, Duke_of_URL
> Copyright law solely exists to try and protect
> creators.
Copyright law was written to benefit society, by encouraging creators to create (and to not create and be instantly ripped off). Copyright does not benefit or protect a creator. Name any Top 100 Billboard artist who actually owns the songs that're making the money?
Bet you can't. Copyright effectively protects the *OWNERS* of the copyrights, who are no longer the creators. See any of the instances of the creators of songs who aren't getting paid their royalties. Any legal recourse for them? Hell no.
And this business of copyrights extending 95 years past the creator's death??
Of course in the beginning when the US was a developing country, we ignored other countries IP laws, and blatantly ripped them off as hard and as fast as we could. I recall a locomotive we shipped over to do reverse engineering on....
-- Ender, Duke_of_URL
has nothing to do with anime. It is about how copywrite law tends to be applied to fan-fiction.
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
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As an anime fan since the late 80s, I had been aware of doujinshi, but it was not until my trips to Tokyo that I truly began to comprehend it. What I observed was:
1) Doujinshi is not allways "copycat". There are some small
fan-run books that are called doujinshi (and sold at Comic Market) that are totally original.
2) A lot of it is about porn. And about seeing your favorite anime character violated, often by tenticles. Yes, there are some original "fanfic" type stories...but there is also a lot of Sailor Moon meets Urotsukudoji. I couldn't believe the things they were doing to poor [I am a dumbass]!
3) The Japanese are a lot more liberal about their hand-drawn porn than we are. The yaoi (boy-boy) stuff is right there with the girl-girl stuff. Women in Japan appear to be as open about liking boy-boy as men are about girl-girl. Porn is just porn.
4) Doujinshi is where folks seem to start. First you make a doujinshi of a magical girls series you like. Then you make your own magical girl. Then you decide if you really want to be a [I am a dumbass] and start trying to make a name for yourself. If you get lucky you might get in one of the anthologies - the collections put out weekly or monthly the size of small phonebooks.
Shopping for this stuff in Japan is quite fun. My best friend came with me on one of my business trips, and I came back to the hotel after the first day and he'd already scored. In fact he got me a doujinshi of my favorite [I am a dumbass] getting violated several ways.
If [I am a dumbass] for porn.
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
> Something that costs you a dollar today but gets
. 99
, 11.25,12. 50
> you back 25 cents a year for each of the next ten
> years is usually a good deal, isn't it?
You're thinking that in four years you'd pay off the value of that $1, right?
Wrong.
What are the opportunity costs? If you took that dollar x5, and were instead able to seize the opportunity to start a profitable venture, that was making 10% annually:
5.00= 5.50,6.05,6.66,7.33,8.06,8.87,9.76,10.74,11.81,12
versus
0.00=
1.25,2.50,3.75,5.00,6.25,7.50,8.75,10.00
And a 10% opportunity is fairly small/minor investment, 25%-500% is a better business number (of course the initial rate won't usually stay at that level - see Lotus 123, or any of the smaller examples). We're not even discounting the future value of money in this example. $5 today buys a lot more than $5 next year (except in hertz and gigs).
The real point is that it may cost you $ to recapture that initial amount. However if you've got a lawyer on staff, that cost is often already paid for, and you either use your lawyers, or waste money feeding them.
You also don't have to fight that person again, they'll have been bleed dry from the first infringement.
I still think it's worthwhile to not pursue every violation, however that's a *bad* example to use.
-- Ender, Duke_of_URL
People might be interested in looking at the article Lessing is talking about, since the Red Herring article does not link to it. enjoy
In spite of the suggestions and all the tests that I have made, I have not cavato a spider from the hole.
Sampling is dead, because of a different case.
:D
Now everyone gets permissions for their samples, or doesn't use it. You're obviously not a rap fan
-- Ender, Duke_of_URL
You haven't read all the numbers. RIAA lies thru their teeth. When Napster was around, it increased music sales. And once they killed Napster, music sales decreased. Or wait, maybe the massaged numbers reflect little of what's actually going on in the markets as a whole.
Also, maybe some of us are boycotting buying CDs - and will continue to do so. These punks are turning me into a straight physical book-buying person, and ya know what? It's not a bad place to be. I hope they choke themselves right out of being in the entertainment business.
-- Ender, Duke_of_URL
Whether its Mac, Windows, Gnome or KDE, most people recognize the programs they use by icon. Would you really rather see a blob of text on your desktop/taskbar/panel/whatever? These icons are nouns - just add some adjectives and verbs and your good to go! ;-)
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I learned about giving enemas to chinks in school girl outfits and about tentacle rape!
I've heard many people describe Eva and Grave of Fireflies as mind-blowing experiences. But no one that knows Karen Finley or Mac Wellman's work. I just wonder if someone can weigh in on both sides.
No one knows about it because their fans don't go making translations into other languages and having fan pages so that others can discover it. Anime outside of Japan started as the tiniest segment of the population gathering in clubs and mailing tapes until the BBSs and the internet came along.
Art films are still in the tiny club stage... it's a little hard to compare. Anime fans can be snobs/purists just as much as Art Film fans. It's only when that segment grows to include the 'common' people that you will be able to make any viable type of comparison.
Dojinshi? We have that in America too, it's called The Matrix.
I live in Britain, and most of that stuff sounds familiar (I can't remember the exact rules, but 6 weeks sounds right, and we certainly have subsidised party-political broadcasts and spending limits for individual politicians' ads).
The down side is that you don't get to vote on US laws, but you occasionally get them applied to you anyway.
The illogical attitudes of Western businesses are the result of all the propaganda about "theft" of "intellectual property" being in some way the same as theft of property.
US legislators love this game of "defining" a word or phrase to mean something completely different, for legal purposes, from its normal meaning. An example from a completely different subject area: in some US states, driving at a speed more than 15mph over the limit is "legally defined" to be "reckless driving". So somebody who drove at 70 mph when the highway limit was 55, on a road with no other traffic and perfect visibility for miles, could be convicted of "reckless driving". (Before you ask, no it didn't happen to me. Just an example.)
At the time the BBS-systems ruled and the Internet was still quite new in kid Finland there was a musical revolution on the way, ppl were very much into electronic music such as ambient, techno, jungle, gabber and others. I used to contribute my music (*.mod, *.s3m, *.xm) to the ambient scene. I remember it was quite usual to see greetings and title info in the songs sample lists, and not even unusual if ppl asked and even provoked others to listen and to rip, remix and re-use materials from their own songs.
I was one of those who was *really* flattered by friends making party-lp's or musicdisks with my music on them. (which was of course quite quiet since I wasn't _that_good_ a musician but still...)
- Voice of Ambience -
- Voice of Ambience -
People have always copied and imitated the style of those artists they admire while learning their own style.
It is (or at least has been) common for art students to copy great works (such as the Mona Lisa) in order to learn the techniques they require to develop for themselves.
This is exactly the same thing. Doujinshi is simply fans copying the styles of their favourite artists - the medium just happens to be a comic.
Yu Watase (for example) states quite clearly that she would not have got her start in drawing manga if she had not copied other artists - she drew doujinshi.
People have to learn, and in a visual medium you learn by copying and hopefully improving on the works of others. It is the rare person who can be completely original right off the bat without being completely wanky.
Well they should call it fan fiction then instead of dumping all these crazy japanese names on people who have no clue what they are talking about cause they dont read this trash.
You said short story - this is not comics, but here goes:
.3 carats, small but noticeable, and definitely not little chips surrounded by a lot of setting the way so many of them are. Clicking on the photos to enlarge them is important in order to catch this detail. If a photo is too blurry and doesn't provide a detailed description of the carat weight, it's not worth looking at. To win this one, Mark had three separate browsers open, each with small increments in price. He had learned that a modem, even at 56k, could only go so fast. So Marked prepped his browsers, and then when the auction began nearing the last minute he would Submit, Submit, Submit. He came within 20 seconds of the end of the auction. The bidder before him came in at 25, losing by just 5 seconds. Yes, I was being educated on the intricacies of eBay on a daily basis now. :)
I think my husband is addicted to eBay
It all started one day when I noticed my husband, Mark, was spending a little more time than usual checking his email. I wandered into the office to see what he was up to. "What're you doing Honey?"
"I'm just surfing on eBay."
"For anything in particular?"
"Sticks. Pool sticks. Mickey found a good deal on a Huebler, so now I'm trying to find one." That's my hubby: like the matching pea in a pod, whatever his best friend Mickey had, Mark would soon possess, and vice versa.
"How much?"
"Mickey got his for $175.00. Then he found a Meucci for Carol. Some models retail for twice that."
I shook my head a little, gave him a kiss on the cheek and said, "Ok, have fun."
Just a couple of days later he was at it again. "What are you looking for now?" I quizzed.
"Sticks."
"But, I thought you found one the other night."
"I did. Now I'm looking for one for you." He looked up at me with a pleading glance, "You want your own pool stick, Honey?"
"But, I don't play pool often enough to own my own stick."
"I can get you a purple one!" he beamed as he tried to appeal his case to me.
"Honey, I don't need a stick. I hardly ever go out when you shoot pool. I can just borrow yours when I do."
The next night he was at it again. "Honey! I want to show you something!" He shouted from upstairs. Once upstairs Mark proudly turned the monitor toward me so he could display his new find.
"Look Honey, a purple one!"
He clicked the Back arrow, and then clicked on a web link he had saved. "And here's a green one. You like green, don't you?" I could already tell that I was going to be the proud owner of a Huebler whether I wanted one or not.
"I found a neat trick. Look." he said as he pointed to the monitor. "A lot of people spell Huebler wrong. So if you search for the stick using the misspelling, you'll find a bunch that hardly anyone is bidding on, because most people are searching for the real name. See, the purple one is spelled 'Hubler'. It's only up to $75.00, and there's only three people bidding on it." He clicked another link, "And here's a Meucci, but it's spelled 'Meuchie', so the search function can't find it."
"You're already bidding on the stick? But I told you I didn't want one."
"But it's a great stick. Trust me honey. Now we can all have our own."
"You can have two if you really want them, but I don't need one. And, by the way, what are all of those boxes that keep showing up in the mail?"
He flashed a big, proud grin, "Car parts."
"You're buying car parts online? Isn't that a little expensive? Can't you just go to the junkyard like you usually do?"
"But you can't find the kind of parts I need in a junkyard. I ordered ashtrays for my Monte Carlo. You can't get '87 ashtrays from any of the junkyards around here. And I found door locks for it too. They're the kind with the knobs on the end instead of the straight ones."
"How much for new door locks?" I asked.
"Fourteen bucks, plus shipping."
I rolled my eyes. "Whatever! I'm going back downstairs."
A few days later Mark called for me to come upstairs again.
"Don't tell me, eBay. What did you find now?"
"Just because I love you so much, and you're the most wonderful wife in the world..." he bribed as he turned the monitor toward me. There on the display was an enlarged photo of a diamond ring. "Do you like it?"
"Honey", I pronounced the syllables distinctly putting a little emphasis on the 'eee' part, "That's very sweet of you, but I don't need another ring." I held up my ring finger to him, presenting a seven-diamond marquee band, "You just bought me this one a few months ago, and I love it. You know I don't wear a lot of jewelry."
"But, I would get it for you if you wanted it. You know, most wives would be happy that their husband wanted to buy them a new ring."
"I leaned down to kiss him, "Then you should be glad I'm not like most wives. Please, no ring. Ok?"
"Ok. Your loss."
Over the next few weeks there were more rings for him to show me. Mark had moved onto gemstones, prodding with, "You want a birthstone don't you?" I finally caved on the birthstone, if he could get it for under $50.00, which he did. It was surprisingly nice for the money. Apparently the woman selling it forgot to put in a reserve price on the item. This meant that she would have to sell it at whatever the final bid was.
Then there was the pretty sapphire with a triangle shaped diamond on either side for $175.87. The diamonds were
I had to admit I was happy with some of his little finds for me. But the small packages were starting to show up daily. I had long lost count over the past few months. I had given up on asking about car parts and paintball guns, and had insisted on no more jewelry. Since we were the proud owner of two new (used) Hueblers, I felt safe there would be no more of those.
I was wrong. Even though each pool cue came with it's own case, Mark claimed he needed to buy a special case that could carry two sticks. Ok, I reasoned; that made some sense. But what were we going to do with the two empty single cases? Then he needed a stick just for breaking. I tried to argue that one down by pointing out that a bar cue was quite sufficient for the task, but lost to his enthusiastic and passionate energy.
After a few months and I don't know how much money, I got paged upstairs again. "Your Mom likes these, doesn't she?" he asked, as he pointed to a listing of Caroling dolls, better known as 'suffocating people' around here. That's my clever Honey's nickname for them because he says when you put them in a glass display case, they all look like they're gasping for air.
Putting his generous spirit aside, my hands were on my hips now. I had had enough. "Honey! You're buying for my mother now? Don't you think you're taking this eBay stuff a little too far?" I glared at him in a way that only an angry wife can, "Honey, I think you are addicted to eBay. You haven't stopped since you started. You've run out of things to buy (thank God!), so now your shopping for other people. You need to stop. You know I love you, but you need to stop. I don't want to see another package come into this house!"
A dark cloud seemed to settle on the house for the next couple of days. Mark moped about. He shopped, but didn't bid. I swear he was going through withdrawal. I felt guilty, but we had a deal as husband and wife. We gave each other a lot of leeway with our lives; we trusted each other completely to always do the right thing for the marriage. But if one of us decided the other was starting to cross from the gray into the black, and was called up on it, they would stop whatever the offending thing was. End of story; no arguments. Sulking, yes. Arguing, no.
Finally, I couldn't take his misery anymore. "Honey, listen: you can't possibly need anything else from eBay. You've bought it all already." He just scowled, and mumbled something I probably didn't want to hear anyway. "Why don't you look for things that you can sell, instead of trying to buy everything? Maybe you can sell the pool cases you have left over?"
A seed planted; I left.
After a few days, I noticed Mark was digging through our closets and rummaging up in the attic. He had managed to dig out a couple of items that might sell on eBay. Digital camera in hand, he photographed his items and dutifully posted them to the site. Not a bad beginning, but now he was on a new quest. If we weren't using it anymore and it contained even a nominal value, he was selling it.
He had in the garage some of his own car parts, left over from cars long gone, that he posted. Amazingly everything sold and sold quickly. I guess you need to know your automobiles, but there are some models of cars that are harder to find parts for than others. And there are silly things (to me anyway), like the fact that a 1987 Corolla was sold with small mirrors and large mirrors. Apparently the large ones are hard to find and he just happened to have a couple. He had a spare alternator from an old car that got totaled before he ever got to put it in, and it too sold quickly. Mark had only bought a couple of items for himself in the last couple of months, for which I said nothing. The tides had shifted and the balance restored. The money was coming in now instead of going out.
On one very rare day, our teenage daughter, Cherie, decided to clean her room. Two large garbage bags were placed in the garage, and I knew I would need to go through them. She had a bad habit of throwing away small items that were still perfectly good, instead of putting them in the yard sale pile. Sure enough, there were a couple of small wooden boxes stuffed in the bags along with a lot of leftover school papers and used notebooks. I pulled the boxes out and placed them on top of the trash barrels then tied the bags back up.
It wasn't too long before Mark eyed the boxes and brought them over to his workbench. Inside one of the boxes was a large plastic bag. It was filled with what looked to be pen tips, the kind that are used on old fountain pens. He asked me where they came from. I recalled Cherie was attempting to learn calligraphy at one point, so they must have come from then. But they were very old pen tips. Someone must have given them to her a long time ago.
Mark diligently went on eBay and did a little research. Lo and behold, these ???? pen tips were for sale all right, and were selling well. He found one guy who sold a dozen tips for $45.00. We had fifty tips in the bag. It turned out that they were indeed very old, and were not in production anymore.
Mark thought about this for a while. Should he sell the whole bag with all fifty tips in one fell swoop? Or should he farm them out a little at a time? If he sold them all, he might get a good price, but who would want to buy them? Possibly another dealer. But it seemed feasible to him that an ordinary person would have no use for fifty tips. His research showed that they lasted about two to three years, depending on use. So he opted to sell them in smaller quantities.
Digital photos ready, he posted his newfound treasure. He placed three separate auctions with three pen tips each. He made sure he clearly listed the name brand and model numbers, and in the photo he had one of the tips out of the box so it could be properly viewed. Wow! Who knew so many people were hot for pen tips? After seven days on auction, his top one sold for $26.00. Imagine, $26.00 for just three pen tips that were on their way out to the trash. The other two sets sold for $19.00 and $17.00. And he still had forty-one left to sell. It was nice to see the smile back.
Clearly on a different path now, Mark was always looking for something good to post. Jewelry and pool cues were no longer on his mind. The only thing he bought lately were old novels written by Norah Lofts, that his mother loved to read. Since they were written in the 70's and are very hard to find, eBay proved to be the perfect hunting ground.
One weekend we were at the closing end of a yard sale of a co-worker who was moving away. As most good yard-sellers do, they try to unload a lot of stuff at the end, or they throw it away. The man gifted Mark with a car model kit that he had never built. The box was fairly ratty, but the model kit itself was still inside its protective plastic bag. It was of a 1969 Corvette, 1/20th scale. It had all of the decals and came with real rubber wheels, which, so I am told, are supposed to be fairly rare.
Mark took his photos. He now had a large piece of wood painted a light cream color, so he would always have a clean backdrop to clearly display his items. He tried to research the Corvette model, but he couldn't find one just like it. He looked at some of the prices that other models were going for, and they auctioned for anywhere between fifteen and one hundred dollars. Mark preferred to start his auctions off with a very low bid, and let the auction take off. If he wanted $25.00 for an item, he would start it at $5 or $10 and let the bidders bring it up. He noticed if he started too high, or placed a high reserve on an item, the final sale price never really crept up. There is something about winning an auction from another person that fuels the bidding process.
A master at this now, Mark dutifully typed up the full description so it would be ready to copy and paste into the eBay auction description form. He didn't leave anything out, even describing that the original owner was into Vettes but never found the time to build the model, and that he didn't want to keep it for himself because he too, did not have the time to do it any justice. Apparently this model was also unique in that it could be built three ways: blown dragster, exciting custom and stock open 427 roadster (whatever any of that means - I just copied this stuff from his description). It also had vinyl seatbelts and floor mats, which most model makers don't bother with anymore. In addition to his detailed description, he cross-linked his advertising by mentioning to check his 'other auction' for the 1969 Corvette Model, on an old Corvette Dealer brochure that he had also picked up at the yard sale and vice versa. (Who knew old dealer brochures were collectible?)
The auction began with a starting bid of $6.00. Within one day it was up to $56.00. By the end of the third day, it had gone over the $150.00 mark. Then Mark received an email from a gentleman in Argentina. It turned out that Mark had listed that he would only ship to the United States or Canada. Mark quickly realized that it was a little silly to cut himself so short, when his auction was being viewed by the entire world. The guy from Argentina mentioned that he would like to bid on the model, but Mark said he couldn't. So, Mark quickly corrected this by sending an email back and basically saying, "Hey, if you don't mind paying the extra for foreign shipping, go ahead and bid on it." Then he posted a correction to his auction description and mentioned that he would indeed ship to a foreign country, but to please remember that it was a lot more costly to do so. And so the bidding war began.
The next day the auction heated up again and at last glance had reached $203.00. Considering the bid increments were only $1.00 each that demonstrated a fairly active day. By the end of the seventh day, Mark's new determined friend in Argentina had worked the final sale to $247.00. He was going to own that Corvette model and nothing was going to stop him. And so the story goes: a dusty little model car kit, pulled from the trash at the last minute, started out at $6.00 and ended up selling for $247.00 plus another $25.00 to ship by air.
Yes, life is good around here again. Hubby is happy. Wife is happy. Man in Argentina is happy. And the kid? Well -- we never did tell her about the pen tips.
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Yes. As an additional point, consider this situation from american football:
During a play, your opponent breaks a rule which is normally alleviated by a 5 yard penalty. However, your team gained 7 yards, so it is to your advantage to ignore the penalty.
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Thats true, Tt isn't necessarily pornographic, but a big part of the dojin market is indeed the hentai rape stuff.
Not just alot is about porn. 98% of it is about porn. Which is arguably why the companies look the other way. They can't themselves put out the porn since the general public would get upset. So if they can't put it out, it doesn't hurt them.
WHO THE FUCK MODDED THIS SHIT UP!!!? THAT
MODERATOR SHOULD BE KILLED VERY SLOWLY NOW!!!!
ASSMUNCHER!!! POAG IS AN ASSHOLE AND THE
MODERATOR WHO GAVE HIM FUNNY IS IS ASSMONKEY.
Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
Fucking stupid filters. Sometimes it's necessary to yell to get a point across when the moderators are abusing their priveleges. I say this jackoff needs to have his nuts chopped off or tubes tied or something. We don't want people with his/her obvious lack of taste and intelligence reproducing. GOD!!! I hate moderators without a clue. Stupid fucking jackoffs!
Youre a complete fucking tard.
Lets say you see your neighbor fucking an inflatible goat. Daily.
Youre telling me that you wouldn't look down upon such a thing, since it just doesn't float your boat...but it floats his.
You are a complete fuckin retard.
Bowie J. Poag
Dont be so defensive.
You're like every other monkey. When someone takes your porn away, out comes the poo, and you start flinging it in every direction while you protest the fact you're not being allowed to wank off to pumpkin-headed screamers.
Please STFU, thanks.
Bowie J. Poag
Actually, I'd have to question my own tastes if I'm watching my neighbor fuck a blow up goat every day. Ok, lets go through some of the little freaky freaky things people I know and consider my friends like.
1. BDSM/torture
2. Bi, men & women
3. Gay, men & women
4. Beastiality
5. Ponygirls, catgirls, & bunnigirls
5. Snuff
6. Food fetish
7. Pissing
8. hentai and toons, of varius types
9. rape
10. Oh, and a guy who bones a suffed cave girl thingy.
I know I'm missing some... Do, I look down on them? No, actually I look up to some of them. I know these things about these people because I don't ride their asses when they dare to be themselves. If you opened your eyes and shut your mouth a little more, you'd probably find much the same with the people around you.
Any sufficiently advanced influence is indistinguishable from control.
look at me! i'm the fat fucking idiot! blah blah blah "i make tiles"....blah blah blah "i'm so smart", "you're a homo" etc etc etc (insert comment here about fags/how i hate people/how much smarter i am because i wrote microblogger/insult everyone because i don't have anything intelligent to say) everyone come to the Desktop Linux Summit and make sure you line up to give me a Big Fucking Dope Smack in the head like i deserve! maybe someone i meet there will have sex with me! maybe someone will buy me a drink at the local Chili's because i can say "shell script" and "unix", like they do in Arizona! whooohooo!
Thanx
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
No, it wasn't the way they defeated Zuul nor was it the way they started an unusual business. It was the one line "Ok, so she's a dog."
Dream as if you'll live forever.
Live as if you'll die tomorrow.
~Anonymous~
So, you're Damian Warner? And this picture would be you then:
Geri Halliwell & Boyfriend/Assistant
But nobody will ever read it.
Glad at least the ACs get it.
-- Ender, Duke_of_URL
You can get the same deal with less initial capital.
Thats why I didn't call it an investment silly. If investing were that simple, then you wouldn't need to be in business in the first place. You're in business because you want greater returns than you can get in investment.
-- Ender, Duke_of_URL
s/illegally/legally
It's the problem of the way laws are written. Even if you do something you haven't seen before, if anyone has done it before, you're breaking the law.
-- Ender, Duke_of_URL