...a Z Transform, a Laplace Transform or a Fast Fourier Transform?
I'm guessing a Lycanthropic transform. Look, when people who were once human change into something else, the result is usually highly unpleasant. I mean, we've all seen what happens when a normal, law-abiding citizen is infected with a lycanthrope or vampirism virus. Pretty horrific stuff, to be sure.
I can only imagine what an RIAA lawyer will be like after he goes over.
"We wrote this cool app, but Google just made it easy for pirates"
I doubt that case would get very far... I mean, if you're a developer you should have the brains to understand the terms under which your software is being sold. If you don't, that's your problem, not Google's. Now, a more likely scenario, if the App Store is perceived as being too insecure in this regard, is that devs will consider it too risky.
DRM is like gun control laws. They keep honest people honest, and that's it.
An honest person is an honest person, and gun control laws inconvenience him only. The dishonest person won't even notice when guns have been banned, since he probably didn't get his through a "legitimate" source anyway (gun control laws are DRM for firearms, that's all they are, and they work about as well.) The same holds true for the average Joe grabbing songs via P2P.
It's the honest guy that gets burned when the shit hits the fan. That's true whether it's the cops knocking on his door collecting that properly registered firearm, or a DRM authorization server shutting down for good.
Something worth mentioning is that you don't need a DevPhone to develop applications. You only need a DevPhone to be able to install non-Google OS images.
So if you're "just" an application developer and not an OS hacker, then just get the normal phone.
Somebody give this guy a couple of mod points. I just want to write a few apps: at this point I don't have any interest in kernel hacking. Are you saying that the SDK will work with the regular G1?
they did not turn the apps off. It is just that with the ADP you need to update the OS yourself to have the latest version - which is the one that gives you paid apps.
So you're saying the linked article was bogus. I kinda figured... didn't really sound like a Google-type move.
...because what am I supposed to do if I'm an Android dev (which I am intermittently) and a customer wants to know why there's a problem with my application and another application when my application used to work fine...? We must be in a perfect world now.
Well, from what I've been reading Android does a pretty good job with task isolation... hopefully your scenario won't play out too often.
Seriously - you may not agree with what the prosecutors are doing, you may not even like them. But it's nothing to do with their wives and families. Leave them out of it.
Tell that to wives, children, grandmothers and dead people who have been sued by the IFPI, MPAA, RIAA, and other such organizations, with the willing complicity of said prosecutors. When they leave innocent people out of this, we'll leave their families out of this.
Actually that's the lamest excuse/rationalization yet.
If you sit down and listen to my music and then play the exact same tune yourself for your own amusement, no you have done nothing wrong.
What a lame attempt.
"Wrongness" is a matter of definition, is not an absolute in most cases, and in any event is not open to your personal interpretation in these matters.
The problem with your argument, and that of everyone else who is attempting to make the "sharing = stealing" argument is this: what you, or I, or anyone else believes is irrelevant. In the United States, and any other country which maintains the rule of law, what does matter is how a given legal system defines a specific activity. Under U.S. law, copyright infringement is not automatically equivalent to stealing. It's just not, and regardless of your moral position on the issue, it helps if you get your facts straight so that we may discuss these important issues within the same frame of reference.
By misusing the terms "steal" and "theft", your are simply helping to perpetuate a string of lies and half-truths promulgated by the RIAA, MPAA and similar organizations worldwide. That does not help matters at all, because you're refusing to communicate adequately, and that keeps the rest of us wasting time continually correcting you. That serves no purpose.
Note that I am deliberately not making a statement as to whether wide-scale copyright infringement is right, wrong... or somewhere in between. This is not as simple a problem as you would like to have us believe. However, I can say with some certainty that copyright law is out of touch with what the vast majority of music consuming citizens want, and is no longer serving the public interest. That body of law has been changed in recent years so as to dramatically diminish the public domain, and enrich a very few largely foreign-owned corporations. As much as they claim to have been hurt by the Internet and peer-to-peer activity, We the People have suffered a far greater injustice.
Stealing or not, that's not what the United States copyright system was intended to accomplish. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Good! Now we'll have less morons singing Bohemian Rhapsody, Meatloaf and every other 6-8 minute song that everyone insists on doing because people think they are so original.
I think they pick songs like that (and let's not forget Bye Bye Miss American Pie) because they get to be up on stage and hear the sound of their own voices for that much longer.
Before someone yells "Oh my, you could compare the rise of aids cases to lost sales and your graph would look the same" just shut up ok? Just shut the fuck up because you're another useless slashdot tool spouting the same "I HAVE A RIGHT TO STEAL OTHERS WORK" retoric that I've read on this fucking site for the last 10 years. There is a direct correlation between piracy and lost sales, I've seen it. Grow up.
I'm now beginning to feel suspicious of the possibility that you may have an agenda.
He probably doesn't, but I'll bet his employers do.
T-mobile will unlock the G1 for you. If you've been a customer for more than 90 days, they will provide the SIM unlock code for you. T-mobile is the best at doing this.
Really? I did not know that, and since it looks like I'm going to be a T-mobile customer soon I'm glad you mentioned it.
Yes I can appreciate the rapid, innovative engineering this trend shows in China - but behind it is a clash of cultures and ethical and moral decisions that have decimated industy and development in the western world.
It's more of a trade-off (something any engineer worth his salt understands very clearly.) The truth is, we're both heading in the same direction, it's just that we're farther along the curve than China. You think the manufacturing sector in the U.S. was any different than China's before the advent of worker protection and environmental law? Believe me, it was a chamber of horrors similar to what China's workers are suffering in now.
The problem is, neither our current approach nor China's can be maintained for long. China will poison itself (or suffer a rebellion) if it doesn't do something about worker conditions and general environmental issues, and the U.S. is simply heading for an economic collapse as it allows its manufacturing base to be hollowed out. China at least seems aware of the problems (China is investing heavily in nuclear, for example) while we just seem to be running on autopilot, heading for those mountains in the distance.
and I do think that that was a good thing overall (if not for the original inventors of the ideas).
Oh, I dunno. Jobs and Wozniak made out all right, so did Hewlett and Packard, and any number of companies founded along similar lines over the years. That was, of course, before the rise of Intellectual Property law, and the parasites who milk it for all its worth.
Slashdot Mirror
Yo, ho, ho, pass me the rum.
I do, however, once RIAA is dead and buried, intend to dig them up once a year on the anniversary of their death just to make sure they're still dead.
For God's sake, don't pull out the stake.
...a Z Transform, a Laplace Transform or a Fast Fourier Transform?
I'm guessing a Lycanthropic transform. Look, when people who were once human change into something else, the result is usually highly unpleasant. I mean, we've all seen what happens when a normal, law-abiding citizen is infected with a lycanthrope or vampirism virus. Pretty horrific stuff, to be sure.
I can only imagine what an RIAA lawyer will be like after he goes over.
DRM only ever hurts the paying customers.
In the long run. In the nearer term, iTunes has been phenomenally successful.
"We wrote this cool app, but Google just made it easy for pirates"
I doubt that case would get very far ... I mean, if you're a developer you should have the brains to understand the terms under which your software is being sold. If you don't, that's your problem, not Google's. Now, a more likely scenario, if the App Store is perceived as being too insecure in this regard, is that devs will consider it too risky.
I thought Apple devices just worked.
They do! Right up to the point when they don't.
DRM is like gun control laws. They keep honest people honest, and that's it.
An honest person is an honest person, and gun control laws inconvenience him only. The dishonest person won't even notice when guns have been banned, since he probably didn't get his through a "legitimate" source anyway (gun control laws are DRM for firearms, that's all they are, and they work about as well.) The same holds true for the average Joe grabbing songs via P2P.
It's the honest guy that gets burned when the shit hits the fan. That's true whether it's the cops knocking on his door collecting that properly registered firearm, or a DRM authorization server shutting down for good.
Something worth mentioning is that you don't need a DevPhone to develop applications. You only need a DevPhone to be able to install non-Google OS images.
So if you're "just" an application developer and not an OS hacker, then just get the normal phone.
Somebody give this guy a couple of mod points. I just want to write a few apps: at this point I don't have any interest in kernel hacking. Are you saying that the SDK will work with the regular G1?
they did not turn the apps off. It is just that with the ADP you need to update the OS yourself to have the latest version - which is the one that gives you paid apps.
So you're saying the linked article was bogus. I kinda figured ... didn't really sound like a Google-type move.
...because what am I supposed to do if I'm an Android dev (which I am intermittently) and a customer wants to know why there's a problem with my application and another application when my application used to work fine...? We must be in a perfect world now.
Well, from what I've been reading Android does a pretty good job with task isolation ... hopefully your scenario won't play out too often.
Savings? $45/month. That's a lot of beer.
That depends upon your definition of "a lot".
... work out a plan that keeps everyone's business intact.
Sound familiar? The problem is, the consumer is not usually a part of such plans. Well, other than as a cash cow to be milked for all it's worth.
Actually, I was just talking about not leaving them out of the Slashdot discussion. Somehow I doubt that the judge will read these comments.
"colonslash"
Thats really quite a gruesome name you have there.
It's better than #:
Or worse yet, only having a ;!
Seriously - you may not agree with what the prosecutors are doing, you may not even like them. But it's nothing to do with their wives and families. Leave them out of it.
Tell that to wives, children, grandmothers and dead people who have been sued by the IFPI, MPAA, RIAA, and other such organizations, with the willing complicity of said prosecutors. When they leave innocent people out of this, we'll leave their families out of this.
Actually that's the lamest excuse/rationalization yet. If you sit down and listen to my music and then play the exact same tune yourself for your own amusement, no you have done nothing wrong. What a lame attempt.
"Wrongness" is a matter of definition, is not an absolute in most cases, and in any event is not open to your personal interpretation in these matters.
... or somewhere in between. This is not as simple a problem as you would like to have us believe. However, I can say with some certainty that copyright law is out of touch with what the vast majority of music consuming citizens want, and is no longer serving the public interest. That body of law has been changed in recent years so as to dramatically diminish the public domain, and enrich a very few largely foreign-owned corporations. As much as they claim to have been hurt by the Internet and peer-to-peer activity, We the People have suffered a far greater injustice.
The problem with your argument, and that of everyone else who is attempting to make the "sharing = stealing" argument is this: what you, or I, or anyone else believes is irrelevant. In the United States, and any other country which maintains the rule of law, what does matter is how a given legal system defines a specific activity. Under U.S. law, copyright infringement is not automatically equivalent to stealing. It's just not, and regardless of your moral position on the issue, it helps if you get your facts straight so that we may discuss these important issues within the same frame of reference.
By misusing the terms "steal" and "theft", your are simply helping to perpetuate a string of lies and half-truths promulgated by the RIAA, MPAA and similar organizations worldwide. That does not help matters at all, because you're refusing to communicate adequately, and that keeps the rest of us wasting time continually correcting you. That serves no purpose.
Note that I am deliberately not making a statement as to whether wide-scale copyright infringement is right, wrong
Stealing or not, that's not what the United States copyright system was intended to accomplish. Quite the opposite, in fact.
So, if it makes you feel any better, yeah I've stolen music, and I've stolen games.
So, in other words, you broke into a store or a warehouse and physically removed said goods without authorization?
Good! Now we'll have less morons singing Bohemian Rhapsody, Meatloaf and every other 6-8 minute song that everyone insists on doing because people think they are so original.
I think they pick songs like that (and let's not forget Bye Bye Miss American Pie) because they get to be up on stage and hear the sound of their own voices for that much longer.
I confess....when I was younger, and pet rocks were the fad, I found one in the wild and domesticated it myself.
I also. But then the little hardcase hit me on the back of the head and took my wallet.
Before someone yells "Oh my, you could compare the rise of aids cases to lost sales and your graph would look the same" just shut up ok? Just shut the fuck up because you're another useless slashdot tool spouting the same "I HAVE A RIGHT TO STEAL OTHERS WORK" retoric that I've read on this fucking site for the last 10 years. There is a direct correlation between piracy and lost sales, I've seen it. Grow up.
I'm now beginning to feel suspicious of the possibility that you may have an agenda.
He probably doesn't, but I'll bet his employers do.
T-mobile will unlock the G1 for you. If you've been a customer for more than 90 days, they will provide the SIM unlock code for you. T-mobile is the best at doing this.
Really? I did not know that, and since it looks like I'm going to be a T-mobile customer soon I'm glad you mentioned it.
It's a new phenomenon damnit!
I must say, you have a singular perspective in this issue.
Yes I can appreciate the rapid, innovative engineering this trend shows in China - but behind it is a clash of cultures and ethical and moral decisions that have decimated industy and development in the western world.
It's more of a trade-off (something any engineer worth his salt understands very clearly.) The truth is, we're both heading in the same direction, it's just that we're farther along the curve than China. You think the manufacturing sector in the U.S. was any different than China's before the advent of worker protection and environmental law? Believe me, it was a chamber of horrors similar to what China's workers are suffering in now.
The problem is, neither our current approach nor China's can be maintained for long. China will poison itself (or suffer a rebellion) if it doesn't do something about worker conditions and general environmental issues, and the U.S. is simply heading for an economic collapse as it allows its manufacturing base to be hollowed out. China at least seems aware of the problems (China is investing heavily in nuclear, for example) while we just seem to be running on autopilot, heading for those mountains in the distance.
It is a shortsighted policy - something that MBAs excel at.
Worse, I know some who are proud of what they've done.
Heck, not "basement". I meant to type "base"! Now cue the jokes of "your mom's basement" ...
Yes ... as in, "all your basement belong to us."
and I do think that that was a good thing overall (if not for the original inventors of the ideas).
Oh, I dunno. Jobs and Wozniak made out all right, so did Hewlett and Packard, and any number of companies founded along similar lines over the years. That was, of course, before the rise of Intellectual Property law, and the parasites who milk it for all its worth.