What you meant to say is "Both events will cost he owner the money he should have spent in the first but didn't because he was cutting corners and trying to maximize profits."
No I meant exactly what I said. There is no LEGAL requirement that either the mall or the bank have proper doors. There is a legal requirement that you stay out of them!
Now from a practical point of view you are correct but this isn't about that. It is about what is legal and what is not. Just because you can break in to a computer or a bank doesn't mean that you shouldn't be punished for it. It also doesn't mean that you are not responsible for the damage done even if the only "damage" is forcing them to increase security.
In society we all have an expectation of privacy. That right is supported in common law.
For example if your neighbor puts up 15 ft solid brick fence and then sunbathes nude behind it and you put up a tower with a camera on it you can be arrested/sued for being a "peeping tom". A local TV station had an employee get busted for using the "skycam" weather camera to do just that. The courts held that the woman had a reasonable expectation of privacy and that it was violated by the man using the TV towers camera.
When someone puts up website they have a reasonable expectation that the back office parts of the site are to be private. Just because you CAN peer into the site (on into the backyard) doesn't mean you are allowed too!
The amount of effort required to circumvent them is irrelevant. The expectations still exist and are legally protected.
I don't consider break-ins, especially to insecure machines or business computers (but maybe I just value individuals more than businesses?), to be a very high crime.
That was the most stupid of your statements. Well I don't consider your dead-bolted door to be adequate security for your home. So by that logic I am free to break in and clean out the house. By God, you should have had a steel vaulted door.
The problem is that unlike computer code you can't write a blanket "on criminal event X goto Y."
I would have to say that what you get punished would depend on what you broke into. Walking in a unlocked employee only door at the mall is technically a crime but I doubt you could be arrested for it. Walking into the open vault at a bank is also technically a crime but you almost certainly would be arrested for that.
Both events might cost the owner money. The mall might decide that in needs to upgrade to an autolocking door lock. The Bank would probably do a full and expensive security revue to correct its problems. In both cases you caused them to spend money.
In both cases you might argue that you got lost or was simply curious. It is up to a Judge and Jury to evaluate you and decide what is the correct punishment.
Well if someone asks upfront from the begining to be paid then I would think you should pay them. On the other hand you shouldn't GPL your program if that is the way you feel.
So do you think like I do that MySQL AB has no legal leg to stand on by asking us to pay for commerical licenses? As I understand the GPL I can put on the same CD my commerical application that only calls a MySQL database and put the orignal MySQL bininares on the same CD.
From the GPL: These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works. But when you distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it.
Thus, it is not the intent of this section to claim rights or contest your rights to work written entirely by you; rather, the intent is to exercise the right to control the distribution of derivative or collective works based on the Program.
In addition, mere aggregation of another work not based on the Program with the Program (or with a work based on the Program) on a volume of a storage or distribution medium does not bring the other work under the scope of this License.
My only concern with doing this is the issue of piracy. Some people/companies simply wouldn't pay $1000 for a single-server license of a product when they can simply download it and use it for free (albeit illegally).
If the same product is offered under both licenses can I be legally considered a pirate if I download and use it commercially?
Can MySQL AB sue me for running a DB for my business off of my downloaded copy of Mandrake? None of which I've paid for. The way the GPL is worded I don't think you can say that. Now morally you've got a point, but what does the law have to do with morals?
The player is CRAP. I use on my windows xp box an older version of Real Player because I got tired of the RealONE player hijacking my system. You turn the fscking thing off and reboot and back it came asking to FIX my associated files.
And the free player is buried about 4 to 5 webpages deep. Real pain in the butt to find for a install on a new system.
This guy is asking us to pay for content. That is ok if your surfing the net for entertainment or information. But what if I am shopping an e-store? That is like Walmart charging an entrance fee. If you sell a product then overhead is factored into the cost of it.
And what of search engines? It can be argued that Google is an online Yellow pages and if you want to be listed in the yellow pages you got to pay. But Google also lists sites that aren't paying either.
Yes you could make the internet pay per view but I don't see how it would work and it would ruin the usefullness of it for most folks.
...better more standarized font controls. Each app has to be setup to get decent looking fonts. KDE, GNOME, Open Office, Mozilla. Enough allready. TO much sh_t to configure for joe six pack.
Good looking fonts out of the box or don't bother.
If you presented your argument to your CTO with as much skill as you have here it is no wonder you got overruled.
I don't know to many CTOs that respond well to whining. Perhaps they had cold numbers to support there request.
Just what do you do to evaluate your users? Standardized tests, skill assessments, or just hacking into the HR department files and reading the resumes and employee assessments?
If the way you dismissed the parent post is an example of how you evaluate your users then I not the least bit surprised that you were overruled.
I got labeled a troll before but I going to rant again.
Will someone please pull thier head out of their ass and read the freaking front page?
Sorry about that. I'm Ok now. That is the end of the rant now on to something productive:
Is there something the slashdot community as a whole can do to prevent this? Does shashdot need new or additional editors or should a mod system be developed for the stories themselves?
I personally would like to see a mod system for the stories themselves. Then we can mod the stories and keep redundant stories from appearing the same way comments on the stories are moded.
This site here has a lot of links to old games that aren't published anymore. Not the same as owning the orginal but if your dying to play an old game of Jumpman this is a place you can find it and a lot of other old games.
Finally a solution to all those damn...
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...people who will not turn off their cell phones in a theater.
...will NOT jam a military radar but rather show up as an unknown emitter which in a time of war will generally cause the ship/plane/helicopter to go "defensive" and defend against the potential threat!
So the cell phone rings and a harpoon missle slams into the offending cell phones uses seat. COOL.
So you think it isn't a good Professional book. Is it a good newbie book? Even if it is poorly named? I not a programer but would like to learn and have been learning PHP on my own. Would this be a good investment or waste of cash?
Geezz... A guy can't sit in the privacy in his own home and watch porn and plan terriorst attacks on third world nations in peace anymore. Next they'll copy protect all my DVDs, wire tap the internet, and install the same operating system on every PCs.
Indeed, I've had the impression that Linus, had he realised at the time how powerful and popular his product would have become that he would never had released it under the GPL. I think he agreed to it at the time because he needed the GNU toolset and you can't work with RMS without using the GPL. Linus at time thought this was only a colege hobby project and he never thought it would take off like it did. There are times I'm bet he kicks himself.
OTOH I wonder how widespread Linux would be if he had used a BSD style license.
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Ok you with the pocket protector! Drop the can of Dew and come out with your hands up.
What you meant to say is "Both events will cost he owner the money he should have spent in the first but didn't because he was cutting corners and trying to maximize profits."
No I meant exactly what I said. There is no LEGAL requirement that either the mall or the bank have proper doors. There is a legal requirement that you stay out of them!
Now from a practical point of view you are correct but this isn't about that. It is about what is legal and what is not. Just because you can break in to a computer or a bank doesn't mean that you shouldn't be punished for it. It also doesn't mean that you are not responsible for the damage done even if the only "damage" is forcing them to increase security.
Sorry if I am trolling a bit here.
In society we all have an expectation of privacy. That right is supported in common law.
For example if your neighbor puts up 15 ft solid brick fence and then sunbathes nude behind it and you put up a tower with a camera on it you can be arrested/sued for being a "peeping tom". A local TV station had an employee get busted for using the "skycam" weather camera to do just that. The courts held that the woman had a reasonable expectation of privacy and that it was violated by the man using the TV towers camera.
When someone puts up website they have a reasonable expectation that the back office parts of the site are to be private. Just because you CAN peer into the site (on into the backyard) doesn't mean you are allowed too!
The amount of effort required to circumvent them is irrelevant. The expectations still exist and are legally protected.
I don't consider break-ins, especially to insecure machines or business computers (but maybe I just value individuals more than businesses?), to be a very high crime.
That was the most stupid of your statements. Well I don't consider your dead-bolted door to be adequate security for your home. So by that logic I am free to break in and clean out the house. By God, you should have had a steel vaulted door.
The problem is that unlike computer code you can't write a blanket "on criminal event X goto Y."
I would have to say that what you get punished would depend on what you broke into. Walking in a unlocked employee only door at the mall is technically a crime but I doubt you could be arrested for it. Walking into the open vault at a bank is also technically a crime but you almost certainly would be arrested for that.
Both events might cost the owner money. The mall might decide that in needs to upgrade to an autolocking door lock. The Bank would probably do a full and expensive security revue to correct its problems. In both cases you caused them to spend money.
In both cases you might argue that you got lost or was simply curious. It is up to a Judge and Jury to evaluate you and decide what is the correct punishment.
Well if someone asks upfront from the begining to be paid then I would think you should pay them. On the other hand you shouldn't GPL your program if that is the way you feel.
So do you think like I do that MySQL AB has no legal leg to stand on by asking us to pay for commerical licenses? As I understand the GPL I can put on the same CD my commerical application that only calls a MySQL database and put the orignal MySQL bininares on the same CD.
From the GPL:
These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works. But when you distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it.
Thus, it is not the intent of this section to claim rights or contest your rights to work written entirely by you; rather, the intent is to exercise the right to control the distribution of derivative or collective works based on the Program.
In addition, mere aggregation of another work not based on the Program with the Program (or with a work based on the Program) on a volume of a storage or distribution medium does not bring the other work under the scope of this License.
My only concern with doing this is the issue of piracy. Some people/companies simply wouldn't pay $1000 for a single-server license of a product when they can simply download it and use it for free (albeit illegally).
If the same product is offered under both licenses can I be legally considered a pirate if I download and use it commercially?
Can MySQL AB sue me for running a DB for my business off of my downloaded copy of Mandrake? None of which I've paid for. The way the GPL is worded I don't think you can say that. Now morally you've got a point, but what does the law have to do with morals?
This isn't a great post but it is NOT trolling.
The player is CRAP. I use on my windows xp box an older version of Real Player because I got tired of the RealONE player hijacking my system. You turn the fscking thing off and reboot and back it came asking to FIX my associated files.
And the free player is buried about 4 to 5 webpages deep. Real pain in the butt to find for a install on a new system.
This guy is asking us to pay for content. That is ok if your surfing the net for entertainment or information. But what if I am shopping an e-store? That is like Walmart charging an entrance fee. If you sell a product then overhead is factored into the cost of it.
And what of search engines? It can be argued that Google is an online Yellow pages and if you want to be listed in the yellow pages you got to pay. But Google also lists sites that aren't paying either.
Yes you could make the internet pay per view but I don't see how it would work and it would ruin the usefullness of it for most folks.
...better more standarized font controls. Each app has to be setup to get decent looking fonts. KDE, GNOME, Open Office, Mozilla. Enough allready. TO much sh_t to configure for joe six pack. Good looking fonts out of the box or don't bother.
...a Troll mod? That was kind of harsh.
can yell.
KHAAAAAAAN!!!!!
It can't be real Trek with out that.
...martial arts is it going to become a bad actor and do martial art/cop shows.
I can see it now:
Robbie the Robot
Texas Ranger
If you presented your argument to your CTO with as much skill as you have here it is no wonder you got overruled.
I don't know to many CTOs that respond well to whining. Perhaps they had cold numbers to support there request.
Just what do you do to evaluate your users? Standardized tests, skill assessments, or just hacking into the HR department files and reading the resumes and employee assessments?
If the way you dismissed the parent post is an example of how you evaluate your users then I not the least bit surprised that you were overruled.
I got labeled a troll before but I going to rant again.
Will someone please pull thier head out of their ass and read the freaking front page?
Sorry about that. I'm Ok now. That is the end of the rant now on to something productive:
Is there something the slashdot community as a whole can do to prevent this? Does shashdot need new or additional editors or should a mod system be developed for the stories themselves?
I personally would like to see a mod system for the stories themselves. Then we can mod the stories and keep redundant stories from appearing the same way comments on the stories are moded.
Is this not something that could be implemented?
This site here has a lot of links to old games that aren't published anymore. Not the same as owning the orginal but if your dying to play an old game of Jumpman this is a place you can find it and a lot of other old games.
...people who will not turn off their cell phones in a theater.
...will NOT jam a military radar but rather show up as an unknown emitter which in a time of war will generally cause the ship/plane/helicopter to go "defensive" and defend against the potential threat!
So the cell phone rings and a harpoon missle slams into the offending cell phones uses seat. COOL.
So you think it isn't a good Professional book. Is it a good newbie book? Even if it is poorly named? I not a programer but would like to learn and have been learning PHP on my own. Would this be a good investment or waste of cash?
It is possible to MOD the comments but not the stories themselves. We need an ability to MOD the story.
I tired of seeing dupe stories. It is happending to often.
Sorry, I wasn't clear the first time.
This is a troll. He makes a valid point. It is anoying that dupes are showing up. A DUPE mod would be usefull.
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/. is spaming us with dupes.
/. Taco? Cowboy Neal? Will somebody get the head out of there ass and read the front fucking page.
Now
Who the fuck do we sue at
</RANT>
Ok I'm better now.
Geezz... A guy can't sit in the privacy in his own home and watch porn and plan terriorst attacks on third world nations in peace anymore. Next they'll copy protect all my DVDs, wire tap the internet, and install the same operating system on every PCs.
*pisssstt*"They are all ready doing that."
D'Oh!
That just gives a whole new meaning to the DMCA.
And to think I thought being a certifed asshole was in the public domain. Now the feds are gonna sue me...
And your point? I didn't say it wasn't. I just wonder if using a BSD style license would have limited the popularity of Linux.
Indeed, I've had the impression that Linus, had he realised at the time how powerful and popular his product would have become that he would never had released it under the GPL. I think he agreed to it at the time because he needed the GNU toolset and you can't work with RMS without using the GPL. Linus at time thought this was only a colege hobby project and he never thought it would take off like it did. There are times I'm bet he kicks himself.
OTOH I wonder how widespread Linux would be if he had used a BSD style license.
....to eat more fiber so that you don't get a blockage. And now the phone company can add more fiber so the internet doesn't get a blockage.
Either way, it all ends up in the sewer.