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Fan-Made Star Trek Episode Available for Download
Minnesota trekker writes "Two Minnesota fans of the original "Star Trek" series spent seven years, off and on, creating an all-new episode in the 1960s style using their own actors, sets and props. Behold, the U.S.S. Exeter (www.starshipexeter.com). The episode's look and feel is amazingly authentic. The story is inventive and the acting surprisingly good. The damn thing, dubbed "The Savage Empire," is actually watchable. The site gives lots of details on how the episode was created, and even more background is available on the Pioneer Press site."
No comments adn it's slashdotted already?
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I'm an ACTOR, not a STAGEHAND...
can't wait for the lawsuits to start :P
I'll be in my bunk!
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To the William Shatner school of overacting?
Cannot...seem...to...communicate...with...the aliens...must get...somekindof...resolution before Enterprise...is...destroyed!
Somebody better get a mirror out there quick!
Hey, when you are done slashdotting, check out our stupid little website!
Wait a minute, how authentic (in relation to the original) could it be if the acting is good?
Down with Saudi Arabia!!!
This is pretty cool. I remember a similar community effort being discussed several years ago to bring the Timothy Zahn Star Wars sequels to the screen (or to tape, whatever). Never got off the ground, AFAIK.
I am a little worried as to how this will be treated by Paramount. They are notoriously evil when it comes to "protecting" their copyrights, especially when it comes to Trek.
Also, why the Exeter? Is there any reason given as to why the Federation would name a ship after an East Coast prep school with a history of buggery?
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
The episode's look and feel is amazingly authentic. The story is inventive and the acting surprisingly good.
Wait a sec. No way it can be authentic to the original and be well acted.
Much of the charm... of the original... Star Trek was... the wooden acting... not to mention the... inexplicable pauses... in William Shatner's... delivery.
Opinions on the Twiddler2 hand-held keyboard?
that all crewmembers were required to be from wisconsin or at least speak as such. Decent work at anyrate, and amazing for a bunch of fans.
Photos.
So? Who cares? What is the point of watching a sub-par incarnation of an already-dated TV show. Star Trek's weak SCI-FI is looking more and more like trite each passing year as Sci-Fi fans are getting more and more sophisticated. Please. That whole thing with the stars all the same color (white) and how they never needed space suits is weak.
is 49 human years.
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They used their own actors, and it took them seven years? Can you see the people age visibly from one scene to the next? That can't be good for continuity. Suddenly the lead actor has gray hair and put on 20 pounds...
Of course, that kind of thing still wouldn't drop it below the quality of most new shows that issue forth from the bowels of the major networks.
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"Captain, I am detecting incoming connection from the Slashdot Quadrant. They have taken all available frequencies! Aarrgghh!!"
(The console blows up)
"Red alert, shields up!"
This looks like a plot by Apple who wants to show off their OS X server (it's mac.com..)
What time is it/will be over there? Check with my iPhone app!
Can someone explain to me why webmasters feel the need to embed their movies within their own webpages? Why not just let us download it to our harddrives with a simple right-click? That way (a) people can watch it over and over without added strain on the server and (b) people can distribute the file through other means (p2p, etc.) again saving the webserver. I just don't understand why webmasters make it so difficult to download a movie directly to disk.
GMD
watch this
it might be watchable, but why would i want to watch it?
... that these fellas get laid ALL the time. seriously. chicks dig that shit.
There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
Am I the only one who thought of a scene where the captain opens a hatch to the food reserves, and thousands of video cards drop down on him?
"I can't give you a brain, so I'll give you a diploma" - The Great Oz (blatently stolen sig)
This is much better than the latest Star Trek movie. And I bet it'll even be more profitable!
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A similar project by finnish sci-fi fans has been on going for about four years. Their Star Wreck VI: In The Pirkinning movie will mix ideas from at least ST and B5 worlds.
Star Wreck
No way Paramount will let this stay up. Their attorney's are probably sending a nasty email to these folks at this very moment.
this is even a little authentic to TNG... notice that the captain does a "picard maneuver" (pulling down on the front of his uniform and straightening his back) while he is talking to that bald dude in the opening movie. i love it!
"The episode's look and feel is amazingly authentic. The story is inventive and the acting surprisingly good."
No it was unsurprisingly awful. What's wrong with you people? Oh yea this is Slashdot, not Fark.
when does the black guy in the red shirt get killed by aliens?
Everyone will start to cheer when you put on your sailin' shoes.
My apologies if this does it in, but here are some direct links to the portions of the movies (i.e., not framed in HTML pages)
Teaser
Act One
Act Two
Act Three
Tag/End Credits
I think the episode would be better if the dialouge and video sound quality was as bad as the shots and sound effects of the original, but man - this is impressive ambition to say the least.
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I wonder what Will Wheaton's take on this is...I was pleased with his 5-arsed monkey people reference that I heard during the Twighlight Zone marathon this past new year's. Props to Wesley, even if he did wind up on the cutting room floor of Star Trek Nemesis...
The damn thing, dubbed "The Savage Empire," is actually watchable. ...not anymore
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Seriously. I've gotten used to the real Star Trek, where this is rampant, so I just can't watch Star Trek unless time travel is involved. Let me know if they go back in time to chase Klingons or get visited by Borg, and then I'm interested.
What I immediately thought was: cool, people can make fairly decent TV programmes on a tiny budget using the latest digital technologies. It's great seeing people who don't have the backing of the media mega-industry creating their own works. This is just one shred of evidence to add to the list to show that the Internet and open technology is about so much more than centralised shopping and news.
:-)
Then I noticed how long it took them to do it
And it IS quite good, see before the site's saturated and mirror if you can! Now this is the creative power of the Internet, good to see it! And to the people that made the show, good job!
3000 dead over past 2 years, still no free Palestinians, still
...to make a Star Trek Episode.
This one should have been filed under Get A Fucking Life.
Will I have to wait another 7 years for the conclusion?
Operator, give me the number for 911!
Are there other projects like this on the web?
Just last night, I was thinking about the train wreck that is Star Trek: Nemesis, and thinking, "Ya know, somebody ought to write a different finale for the cast and crew of TNG that would truly do them justice."
Nemesis was far too tame, and far too stale. If I want Wrath of Khan, I'll watch Wrath of Khan.
How many times have we seen the Enterprise run right up to the brink of oblivion, only to save the day and turn everything back to normal in time for the next episode? I think I would have written something that resulted not only in the destruction of the Enterprise, but also the deaths of most (if not all) of the crew in a heroic, personal struggle.
Maybe in a few years one of these fan groups will do TNG justice.
Captain, there's a runaway slashdot effect! It's draining the dylithium crystals and there's nothing I can do about it!
Here are links to directly download the vids, in case anyone hates using a stupid browser plugin:
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http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/teaser.mov
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/actone.mov
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/acttwo.mov
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/actthree.m
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/tag.mov
"Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised."
-Marilyn Manson
I predict that the Paramount Legal Away Team will soon be setting phasers on "heavy bitchslap"...
my wife said she saw him at the wedding. I went to pee, so I missed it. Was he supposed to have a bigger part?
It's easy to stand out when the general level of competence is so low.
Long time Trek fans will recall that the Exeter was one of the original 12 Constitution-class starships. Others included Constitution (obviously), Enterprise (duh!), York, Potempkin, Hood... that's all I recall off-hand.
The old AMC U.S.S. Enterprise I built with my Dad when I was a bout 8 or so had decals for all twelve ships with appropriate call numbers (NCC-1700, etc).
I'm sure the classic, original Technical Reference Guide, with its silly "20th century equivalent" electronic components probably has a listing, but mine's in a box somehwhere.
p.s. I live in a subdivision called "Exeter".
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
Is it just me, or the old fashioned klingons were far better vilains that the new ones? I mean, old klingons were cynical, smart, dissimulated, and very dangerous.
But NG's (or motion-picture) style klingons are irracional, fanatic, even dumb, and it's by no way credible that this kind of civilization would ever manage to build any kind of science or engineering.
Note that both know how to be brutal, but the first ones used brutality as a tool for their objectives, and, for the new ones, it's an almost biological characteristic.
I remember that I've read, in a magazine, that the klingons of the 60's represented the enemies of the U.S. in that time (China, USSR), and, the klingons from 80 to date, represented the new ones (fanatics). It may be, but, as vilains, the previous generation of Klingons were way more fun.
1) Create Fanfic Episode 2) ??? 3) Profit!!!
"Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised."
-Marilyn Manson
Skip over the embeded Quickime and just grab the .MOVs:
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http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/teaser.mov
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/actone.mov
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/acttwo.mov
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/actthree.m
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/tag.mov
Beat the rest of the slashdotters in getting the movie from the homepage.mac.com site! Then I will rule the geek universe with my advanced knowledge of everything and anything that is Trek related! That will obviously make me have more sex appeal with the ladies, just like Cpt. Kirk!
when you asked that, for some reason i got a hard-on that wouldn't quit.
When you say to your friends, "You know what would have been cool? If they had gone to a planet where...", and they agree, that's normal fan behavior.
When you actually write up the idea you were thinking of in a 200 word concept and share it with your friends, who all like it, that's committed fan behavior.
When you flesh out the concept to a 10 page script treatment, that's borderline wierd fan behavior. If your friends offer revisions to correct continuity errors, that's definitely wierd fan behavior.
When you write out an entire script in three acts and actually perform it with your friends, that's borderline obsessive fan behavior. Defintiely obsessive if you film the process.
When you perform it with homemade costumes, props, etc., and have special effects and a musical score to go with the footage, and then reformat the film as downloadable Quicktime videos for all the world to see, you are ready for film school.
Either that, or the plastic pointy ears you wear to bed every night are cutting off the flow of blood to the brain.
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Said the guy posting his with the five-digit Slashdot userid and a big old page of lengthy comments.
There's just about everything you'd want from a Star Trek episode but the Captain getting it on with a green-skinned vixen down on the planet. Darnit, I wanna see some alien nookie.
"I want peace on earth and good will toward men." "We're the U.S. government. We don't do that sort of thing!!"
The movies are in QuickTime format, and there is no QuickTime player for Linux.
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death." Proverbs 16:25 (NKJV)
... this looks like a derivative work to me.
Well, hey, I didn't spend all those years playing Dungeons and Dragons and not learn a little something about courage.
So I can ask, so, how does it feel to not get laid for 7 years?
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I would like to check this out but it's in that shitty quicktime format. Why not use mpeg? Quicktime is a sack of weasel nuts.
All I could see was several places to click to watch a portion of the film in the browser.
how about a nice single mpeg file. sheesh people. stop wasting bandwidth by making us stream it every time we want to watch it.
The Angelfire site you are trying to reach has been temporarily suspended due to excessive bandwidth consumption.
The only way I'm going to watch some grainy, home-produce Star Trek episode if it includes one of those hot 'green skinned' chicks who's wearing a Jennifer Lopez style dress and has an obligatory interpretive dance scene.
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I'm sharing out the files on Kazaa(lite) ...
I use Windows... like a two dollar wh.. why don't I just go ahead and not finish that sentence.
I can almost guarantee that this production, however amateur, is infinitely superior to any recent Paramount effort for one simple reason:
The people who made it are passionate about the subject matter.
The best years of Star Trek were when people with a love for the material were in charge of the shows/movies. I'll let the Slashdot crowd argue about when those were, but I think the current failure of Star Trek isn't one of story or budget or marketing: it is one of passion.
Commercial Star Trek is a cheap hustle, fleecing idealistic and naive fans. It's always been that to some extent, but there was once some feeling behind it. Too bad Star Trek fans are now just a demographic to be exploited.
I'm sure many of the comments here will amount to "these guys have too much time on their hands" or "haw-haw, these guys can't get laid," but I say good for them. Criticizing and tearing something down by making snarky comments on the Internet is the easiest and least impressive thing in the world.
Actually doing something is hard. Especially something as eccentric as this. These guys had the passion and the perseverance to make something -- to start a project many people would consider too expensive and time-consuming to bother with, and they saw it through to completion. I have to respect that.
More than once I've heard people say something like "wouldn't it be cool to build some cheap sets and make our own episode of (Star Trek, Star Wars, X-Files, My Mother the Car)", but these guys actually went ahead and did it. Which, despite whatever shortcomings the film project might have, is a hell of a lot more impressive than sitting around talking smack about it.
I watched this a few days ago, actually, and it was fun to watch. The people who made it have a lot of love for their subject matter, and put a lot of work into the little details, which I appreciate. And that big pink dinosaur is a riot -- and as special effects go, still beats the heck out of that "lava monster" Spock mind-melded with in that classic Trek episode.
So I say good for them, and I hope it doesn't take another seven years for the sequel.
This is what the creators will be saying as soon as they see a Paramount Studios IP address in their web logs
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It would appear this AC hasn't read the Troll FAQ yet. Not only is it offtopic (Star Wars != Star Trek), s/he does a poor job setting up the Rabid Right-Wing Conservative position. Just jumps straight in.
Perhaps next time. *sigh*
--If you code for the exceptions, the rules fall into place
you know who I'm talking about.
you know: the guy who had a rendering of his starship on his computer, looking like about AutoCAD 11, and when you saw it all you could say was "cool!".
Wow, I thought I was nerd...but after seeing that, I think I'm not to bad after all.
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Star Wreck is a series of parody movies based on the Star Treck.
...how big are all the files combined? I am wondering if I even have space for all of them on my old coal burner here, I'd like to get all of them so I can watch it all at once, and thanks for your efforts!
She cannot take it anymore capm'n. The server, I think she's gonna blow.
If it was socially acceptable I'd drape myself in soft velour. . .
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You want to know what I think really does it for me? The lack of music, that was the greatest thing of every single star trek, or any science fiction movie for that matter. I like star trek just as much as the next guy but I'm going to go back to my original thought here.
There is a difference between a star trek fan and a weirdo ultraobsessive person. Fans go and see the movies, sometimes buy memorabillia (games, DVD's, etc.) ... ultraobsessive's they dress up in star trek uniforms and go to "conventions". You know the movie Space Quest ... exactly ... that wasn't meant to be a "parody" that was meant to make fun of every ultra obsessives wet dream.
Plus to top it off, they used a mac with non-standard video codecs ... and they want to be called geeks?
Am I the only one here who thinks this??
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
LOL! It's better than Nemesis!
Ugh. I hope that this is not what I can expect to happen with Firefly within the next few years. * VOMIT *
One future, two choices. Oppose them or let them destroy us.
What the frik?! Don't you have anything better to do? I hear there still isn't a cure for cancer.
You mean the thing was watchable and should be watchable again as soon as this story is off the front page.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
The damn thing, dubbed "The Savage Empire," is actually watchable.
Not any more...
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
Paramount is touchy about this stuff. I don't see any evidence the producers got permission -- in fact they claim copyright on the credits page. Permission is easier to get before than after. There are some trademark issues here, too, I think.
One hopes of course that Paramount has a sense of humor and goes along. Technically all that fanfic stuff violates copyright and trademark, too. Paramount should formally give permission to prove it is policing its stuff. Maybe Exeter did get permission and hid it somewhere....
It does look like they did a nice job (which is exactly what possibly gets them in trouble) but what bothers me is the sort of stranglehold on scifi creativity Star Treak has had by virtue of its success. Everyobody seemed to have transporters, "energy weapons", and annoying characters with apostrophes in their names (like ah'Choo or Phtt'tt). It took real creativity to break out of this mold, as in shows like Babylon 5 and Farscape, not that these are perfect (Trek sure wasn't).
Maybe these folks should have gone where no nerd had gone before?
You, sir, would make Santa Claus vomit with rage!
It's not everyday that I get to watch a Trek show during lunch. :-)
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Ok, it comes across as flamebait, but I too am sick of going to web sites with movies that I can't watch because apple is too lazy to type "make" on a linux box.
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Fanspace, the final frontier.
These are the voyages of the committed fringe.
Their continuing obsession:
to film strange new fantasies,
to seek out new geek prestige and maybe girlfriends,
to boldly go where no fan has gone before!
cue music
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Although commonly believed to stand for "Naval Construction Contract", NCC doesn't stand for anything at all, according to the StarTrek.com FAQ at http://www.startrek.com/information/faq.asp?ID=13
(there should not be a space in "1365")
teaser.mov
actone.mov
acttwo.mov
actthree.mov
tag.mov
I'm still downloading the files, but they should be up soon. I'm still pretty good transfer rates, and the first part is already complete.
(this is going to be the most violent slashdotting EVER)
I always equivocate. Well, almost always.
"Don't tell me about Star Trek conventions -- it's nothing more that Rum, Sodomy and the Lash!"
-- Winston Churchill of Aldeberran XXIII
can yell.
KHAAAAAAAN!!!!!
It can't be real Trek with out that.
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The one thing I absolutely *loved* about TOS (The Original Series) was that they had 16:9 displays everywhere. This was ofcourse years before anyone in the electric biz started talking about this format for television sets. ...
Such a shame that feature is missing, and they have the boring old 4:3 display layout. Maybe NCC-1701 was more advanced than any of it's sister ships? It was Starfleets flagship
Wenn ist das Nunstueck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput.
Seize is another weird one.
:)
The improved i-before-e rule.
(Now, a rule with too many exceptions is useless, but hey, it's English.)
If you're convinced you're a champion speller, try this and this -- then post your results here.
Without a doubt, they suck royally!
It's got Kirk-jitsu!
Earth's most fearsome fighting style
where close enough counts...
Bravo to these folks!
Hope it was as fun to make
as it is to watch.
That joke is always redundant. Always.
No, I think these dolts keep a stable of halfwitted tirades around for a quick copy-and-paste. This one lacked the energy or presence of mind to edit "Star Wars" and "George Lucas" references.
If I were going to write a right- or left-baiting comment, I could do a heck of a better job than this. Show some self-respect AC.
According to one of the newspaper pieces, Gene's son has contacted them, praising the effort and offering support for the project. I wonder if he has any mojo with the studios...
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." --Albert Einstein
But his heart's in the right place!
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Ummm, AFAIR when TNG was being aired, most fans hated the Wesley character. So what's different now that he commands respect on Slashdot?
Is running a blog all that is necessary to become a hero here?
"The damn thing, dubbed "The Savage Empire," is actually watchable."
Boy, with rave reviews like that, I bet these guys are damn glad they spent seven years of their life doing this.
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I really like the part where they kill Barney, the purple marketing campain!
I think when they started this Barney was still pretty big.
-ac
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Aha, Star Trek spoof! For some reason I expected you people to come up with this instead, because that's one helluva funny spoof on Star Trek :)
Hate me!
I'm now sharing all 5 files on the Gnutella and WinMX networks. In a minute I'll have them on Kazaa too. They're named starshipexeter_actone.mov, starshipexeter_acttwo.mov, etc. I'll leave them up until sometime tomorrow.
And once you've downloaded them, make sure you share them too (if your DL and shared directories aren't the same)!
One thing to note is that Apple is having some .Mac outages today. One has to wonder if those outages are responsible for the slow speeds people are complaining about.
.Mac outages are due to increased demand for this?
Actually, now that I think about it, I wonder if it's actually the other way around - maybe Apple's
My English teacher once told me that two positives don't make a negative. Two words for her: Yeah, right.
the fan that creates a fan movie, or the people who complain about people creating a fan movie?
sitting around telling people to get a life, isn't a life, you know.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
I knew if I just shut up, someone else would make the point for me. :)
One analytical correction that I only realized recently -- a parody is a derivative work, just a kind that's OK. It's derivative because it uses similar characters or plot elements or whatever. The parody must address and comment on the original in some way; it would not be enough, for example, to parody space shows in general, it has to be Trek specifically if you're going to adopt their material.
Also, you can't use any more material than necessary, and various other provisos spelled out in Campbell v. Acuff-Rose. The basic idea with parody is that you really have to carve out enough space in copyright for free speech to allow criticism and commentary, and maybe a little more. Even if your product clearly did not come from the copyright holder, you still can't get a leg up on their product.
There are some similar rules for trademark. EFF.org and chillingeffects.org have some good materials on this difficult topic that I'm still trying to understand.
I started laughing as soon as I saw their uniforms and ship -- I mean, really. Their problem here is not legal so much as creative.
Here is a typical-sounding C&D sent for what looks like some college kid's fansite. You'd think this sort of this would be irrelevant, but, well...
Sorry, guys, I mean no offense to anybody, but I had to quit watching when the blue dude said, "Commodore Jennings is on line one." ::shudder::
I write in my journal
. . . but they cut me out, in an effort to be as authentic as possible.
> ...and maybe Wesley Crusher's part won't get cut from it. Maybe Wil could advise them?
Speaking of Wesley, I thought it was a nice touch that he made it to the wedding, but I was surprised to see him in a Starfleet uniform. Didn't he drop out of the academy before finishing his last year, and run off to wander space/time like the Traveler taught him?
So you say they got original story, acting, and direction right, but borrowed the universe in which they were operating to apply all that?
That's exactly the opposite of standard television, where the universe is almost always original but the stories are recycled, the acting is hack, and the direction is preditable and bland.
I hear it involves look-alike sock puppets..
Easy-to-click link
Troops is my personal favorite--It's a very funny spoof of Cops with Stormtroopers and Jawas.
-B
Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.
Lean to the left!
Well this is a lovely drop of high-octane babble. The Vietnam War finished just over 13 years ago? Yup, 1989. That makes me.. uh.. much younger (hrmmph). Please send me a lid of what you're on, under plain brown wrapper, if you'd be so kind.
Offtopic/Troll -1 alsjeblieft
Send in the Dueling Batliths!
...well, you get the point.
This has impired a new list:
You might be a redneck Klingon if:
1: any part of your cloaked warship is painted primer
2: You have a shotgun rack on your bridge
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She's dead, Jim.
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... for fun and refreshing home-made sci-fi. First MST3K, now this. Excellent work, guys!
Keep circulating the tapes.
GMFTatsujin
I grew up on reruns of the original series. Love it! However, my favorite series is DS9 with TNG right behind it. Good acting, awesome story lines, excellent character development, a lot of action and overarching themes on religion, politics, etc.
The lava creature was a horta - a silicone based life form...
Truly not 100% a geek - married to a non-geek but just remember these little tid bits.
Leave it to a bunch of fucking slashdot wankers to think this is cool. Really, you should all be lined up against a wall and shot.
I finished watching Exeter and was plagued by this thought: Seven years of amateur effort by dedicated fans can produce sets and props and costumes that are stunning reproductions of TOS design -- but the best sets and props and costumes in the world still look second-rate in the hands of inexperienced filmmakers and actors.
Acting: Every actor on TOS could and did properly enunciate the dialogue. Despite the popularity of Shatner-bashing (and despite the man's disappointing personal appearances here and elsewhere): When you watch a TOS episode, you see a captain who appears to be busy running a ship and giving serious attention to the things he does. Look at the other leads and you see actors engaged in their characters. (Nimoy, my god, Nimoy.) Even the extras are serious about walking to the other side of the corridor. Whereas, I hate to say for such a passionate effort, Exeter had definitively wooden acting. The one who keeps coming to mind is the Klingon, who talked a mile a minute -- perfectly typical for an inexperienced actor, and awfully hard to hear. Plenty of other times, the actors look like they're just trying to remember where to stand (or forgetting to stand still).
Directing: Oh, the pacing. Oh, the clunky blocking.
Camera work: Admittedly pretty good for nonprofessionals, but a bit tighter technique could really enhance the scenes.
Lighting: This may be the single most deficient element in Exeter. A few good lights, properly arranged, and the whole show would have jumped to life. Well, visually, at least.
Throughout the whole episode, I kept thinking: Put this script in the hands of the TOS cast and crew, and they'd make something watchable for dramatic and cinematic value. As it stands, Exeter is interesting only for the visual details and, to a lesser degree, the writing.
It's an admirable amateur effort (in all honesty, I really enjoyed B'fuselek), but it doesn't compare favorably to TOS. If you want ammunition for TOS-bashing, don't load up with Exeter.
Would the Zionists at Google kindly refrain from reserving the top left portion of the page for stories about Israel bashing Palestine.
Peace on Earth,
W00t
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/actone.mov
http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/acttwo.mov
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http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/tag.mov
The second was a Fourth rate of 60 guns laid down in 1697 and rebuilt in 1740. She won honours off Newfoundland (1702), in the Mediterranean (1711), at Quiberon Bay (1711), and at the Siege of Pondicherry (1748). She was struck from the list in 1763.
The third of the name was a Third rate of 64 guns laid down in the 1760s. She won four battle honours in one year (1782) at Sadras, Providien, Negapatam, and Trincomalee. She was burned two years later after being condemned as unseaworthy.
The fourth Exeter, and the one most likely to be the namesake of the Trek one, was a York-Class heavy cruiser mounting six 8" and four 4" guns that was launched in 1929. She won her honours at River Platte (1939) and the Sunda Strait (1942). After being badly mauled by two Cruisers and a Destroyer (which she sank) at Sunda, she sailed for the Indian Ocean with USS Pope and HMS Encounter, but the three ships were boxed in by five cruisers and eight destroyers and were all sunk in the Java Sea.
The fifth, and current, Exeter is a Type 42 Destroyer launched in 1978. She was awarded an honour at the Falkland Islands and also saw "action" in the Gulf War. She is still in active service.
Insanity is the last line of defence for the master diplomat. But you have to lay the groundwork early.
Wouldn't it be cool if there was a publically-accessable trek movie set? Week after week, different people fly over there to participate in some new episode. If you got the inkling, you could be in an episode yourself! "Number N+1, make it so!" Some of us with mediocre acting skills would have a blast with it, without having to build an entire set for 7 years ourselves.
Maybe some minimum charge for maintenance/repairs, paid by each group of people who wants to use the set. And a scheduling web page so you know when your group can use the set, or join a group if you're on your own, etc.
Whaddya think?!?!?
I've never figured out why anyone would give a shit about who else is getting laid! The only person you should worry about getting laid is yourself.
It's not like sex is some contest you win by getting it regularly. Grow up already!
Make a whole file of the episode, send it to Paramount and ask them to fund "Star Trek: The lost episodes" and get Paramount on board for funds, these guys did it CHEAP, and produce more of the same based upon fan fiction Paramount has grabbed off the net. Imagine 100 shows more, produced at , say, 500,000 dollars apice , that could net a bunch of money for Paramount and add to the Trek Saga! This way everyone could profit with nary a beowulf cluster to be found! The actors would not get tons of money, but perhpas they would get recognition to further their careers. They would get paid and when they pinched the pennies correctly, winners all around! What say you?
about Star Trek. I thought for sure I had already seen the ultimate in trekkie fan excess.
Hey! They got the "Only ship in the quadrant", and "ship full of trainees" thing right too!
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
They even killed off a redshirt in this one. Too funny.
Setting his threshold to 5, Sparky eliminated most of the trolls on /.
It is more likely a derivative work than an original. You can copyright characters, storylines, and story settings if they are unique and expressive.... well, at least recent copyright history says that you can. I really don't think the Founding Fathers intended it to work that way.
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For those looking for a Real Audio Link.
I wish I could give credit to the originial editor of this sound clip but I could not find it. It is a great clip and if you have never heard it before you gotta try it now.
Just a note for anyone that doesnt use a 'mainstream' OS - you wont be able to play any of these movies.
Does anyone have these in a format other than Quicktime?
Something like DivX would be nice.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
This is just fucking terrible. Grown men playing like kids in one of the worst TV shows ever made.
I suppose we should be thankful these idiots won't breed.
The prime mover of the plot, the "Canopus plague", seems to be a reference to TSR's venerable RPG Gamma World.
If your bitterest enemies are people who hack the heads off civilians, then I would say you're doing something right.
to stick to CANON! The USS Exeter is registered NCC-1672 commanded by Captain Ronald Tracey. And I highly doubt there would be two Exeters in in the same exact time period. :P
See link: http://www.startrek.com/library/ships.asp?ID=11158 0
You would think that in seven years, they would have looked that information up.
That's just Shatner's acting.
hookers and grits.
For those who can't get thru to the original site or the mirrors. Just search for "Starship Exeter".
The main htmlified pages are still there, but the big bandwidth sucking stuff seems to be disbaled. From http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/teaser.mov:
.Mac member of this name has either created a page and removed it or has never published a HomePage.
:)
.Mac hosted stuff - I knew this was going to happen sooner or later, I just didn't expect so much sooner.
We're sorry, but we can't find the HomePage you've requested. It's possible that:
The address was entered incorrectly. Check your spelling and try again.
The
etc.
So I hope those mirror sites can stand the load, because they're next on the hit parade!
It's no surprise, though; Apple's quite vague in the allocation of bandwidth for their
Come to the University of Mars! Classes starting soon!
WARNING! Goatse link above
The address was entered incorrectly. Check your spelling and try again.
The
There is no
/.ed, perhaps?
Kike lifted his right leg and let go another tremendous fart.
MERCY!
Wget cut out midstream (connection reset by peer) and suddenly 404 upon reconnect. Guess they just gave up. Damn, already 3% finished, too.
if(!toilet_paper) roll.replace(new roll);
pass along the benefits of slashdotting to a few unsolicited advertisers, etc. Why does this only happen to things people actually want to see? Hmmm.
Perhaps it's just a matter of
some of a webpage's images
failing to load, eg while a
movie file is slowly oozing in...
But - just in case - you should
find 3 -additional- pages of
script portions (the -last- one
starting with hardcopy page 21),
ie just below the 3 whose image
showed up (for us).
Hover & click (or - from the
"last" script page - hit Next,
at the bottom)
Just wondering when slashdot will post min spec for servers so that we can know we are safe from brutal /.ing??
Well that didn't last long. The files are no longer available at homepage.apple.com/...
'NC' is the prefix for US registered aircraft
Here's some information about how the abbreviation works.
looks like apple pulled the plug on the movies. Must either be a bandwidth consumption thing or paramount just scored a direct photon torpedo hit.
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what star trek prick mod' this one down?
yeah, pretty rad right? go democracy!
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Just hit. 10,000 hits like that, and they're now looking for alternative servers. Sorry guys.
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Looks like the lawyers have struck early.
Mirrors?
please
I'm not much of a fan of TOS, but this stuff is really quite awful, even by TOS standards. Sure, it's impressive enough that a bunch of amateurs can put together a project of this scope, but... Geez, did they even watch the footage before they cut it together?
The Commodore's long-winded speech in the teaser is the lowlight (so far) of the awful acting; the pink monster isn't even funny, let alone believable...
I suppose now's the time to plug my friend's independent superhero comedy short, Dial "A" for Alphaman, which is vastly more professionally acted, directed and shot. If you need some DV edited or a music video shot, call Mike!
Thanks for that post.
(Is there anyway I can pre-mod this redundent to save the moderators a moderationg point?)
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they SCUTTLED???
If you want to read of a REAL fighting ship lost in the same location to the Japanese (at around the same time) I'd advise reading about HMAS Perth. There's a decent write up here.
The fighting was so ferocious the Japanese mistook a 6" Light Cruiser (the Perth) for a Battleship.
'There is a Light that never goes out.'
I'm surprised Apple didn't pull the plug sooner; they are supposedly very strict about the .mac bandwith usage, and they have been such penny-pinching dicks lately.
:-(
I am scared for these guys though. They need to slap "PARODY" all over this or evil Rick Berman and his battalion of bloodsucking lawyers will be all over them.
Although, I can't tell if this is SUPPOSED to be a parody. The sets are perfect, right down to the hexagonal corridors that just happened to be in EVERY alien planet and ship... And the captain's shirt is just a little too short. And the acting... it reminds me of David Lynch (in Twin Peaks for example) in that sometime with him something awful would happen but he would make it so bizarre that you wanted to laugh, but you just weren't sure... With this it's like um, a giant clay Barney is attacking!? Okay, this is a joke, right? Right?
I can't believe they didn't consult a lawyer at least once over the 7 years to see if they could stay out of trouble.
Their fame with this may be their undoing.
Seriously, though, if being able to easily view quicktime movies in my browser was very important to me, I guess I would fork up the $25 for a registered crossover plugin. As it stands, this isn't something I care too much about.
I have never considered the prospect of running anything other than a free UNIX on my desktop. Mac OS/X seems nice, but only runs on a Mac. Everytime I try to do anything Windows I am filled with disgust and amazement that millions of programmers are willing to use such a system.
we are slashdot.
resistance is futile.
If you can find it, it's over the internet is a few places, is Ken Hegan's short film (~ 15 minutes) called "William Shatner Lent me his Hairpiece". That's damned hilarious trek-inspired stuff.
Hmmm I'll believe it when I see it. I get a message saying that the plugin did not download. Whoever created these Star Trek imitation movies should put some MPGs on their site or something!
The P2P program BitTorrent has survived slashdots before, this one should be no match :)
Someone should setup a tracker, and make a torrent of the files. I will, if no one beats me to it, which I rather hope. Downloading from slow mirrors at 5KB/s here.
I suggest you check out Star Trek: Hidden Frontier.
Its set post-Voyager. They use virtual sets rather than real ones, but they *do* get their episodes out on a monthly basis, so the tradeoff is worth it. The acting wasn't great at the start, but its much improved in more recent episodes.
There's something profoundly in keeping with the Star Trek tradition to see the admiral using a teleprompter.
If they didn't know what a slashdotting was before, they sure as hell know now. :-)
20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
That this ship's 5 year mission can last longer than 3 years ;)
Ya know, just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do it. I loved how at the beginning of the episode the Captain is told he has a call on line one. When did Star Trek take on corporate speak? The captain should have just told him to give the guy his voice mail. There's also lots of other little points that annoyed me, but I won't go in to it now.
worst - episode - ever
13KB/sec. Sigh.
Could someone who managed to get the downloads _please_ post these files over a P2P network or something like Freenet and post the locations/filenames?
For all the P2P talk on
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I won't give up on Firefly yet, despite Fox being a bunch of asschimps for cancelling the show (I guess it is a little too high-brow for Fox, in retrospect)... rather than some fan flicks, I'd rather see fans put effort into saving the series by getting it onto another network like UPN.
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... as, if I recall correctly, Kirk and the Enterprise (1701) were lauded because of the twelve Constitution class ships launched on five year missions, Enterprise was the only one to make it back intact...
The REAL NEMESIS... her name is... Mallory Levitt. Paramount/Viacom's lawyer used to send out the cease and desist letters.
Nothing in this post should be construed as waiver of my rights to be a smartass.
I had a sucky sig.
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Yeah, there must have been some pretty crazy bandwidth demands on mac.com. Even though I was able to download a couple of the files at full speed. If you're not sure whether you have a whole file, here are the md5sums for the first two:
teaser.mov 40492ade77f93a23ae228da07ff4abb9
actone.mov ad22bca48d596fb629bf8812a1d1dccb
Will be on gnutella by tomorrow I'm sure.
You're quite incorrect. Your opinion of the final product (or my opinion for that matter) doesn't mean anything. TRYING to do something good is hard. If they didn't succeed then fine. They attempted something ambitious and appear to have please a fair number of people with the outcome.
I haven't seen it yet so I can't say a thing about the quality of their attempt but obviously from the part of the teaser I was able to download they put some hard work in it.
You may have learned to be more discerning in your viewing habits in the past 30 years but you've learned very little about people or what matters to them
Appended to the end of comments you post. 120 chars.
It seems to me this subject has had a tremendous number of posts with scores of 4 and 5. Case in point, the parent and grandparent of this post are both scored as 5 even though they are repeats of other posts up-thread.
/. topics that have the highest average scoring posts?
Not that I'm complaining. But I'm wondering now if anybody has ever done a study of the
I'm thinking this topic would certainly be in the top ten -- if for no other reason than that it is way too damned easy to hit a "5,Funny" by poking fun at what must be the nerdliest act of the past 25 years. I did know a guy in 1980 who was the president of the chess club in HS, a D&D dungeon master, had invented his own language a la Tolkien, and who wore thick black glasses held together with tape. And he never washed his hair. But yet I can't even imagine him parting with his collection of Tron cels to raise the cash to put together this project. Oliver Ardai, where are you?
There are two kinds of people: 1) those who start arrays with one and 1) those who start them with zero.
the acting has to be about the worst ive ever seen
just plain sucks. Nice set, awful terrible show. Not a single person could even come close to acting. I mean, it'd be worth it if it was at least entertainingly campy, it just plain sucks. I have to LmaO reading all these other posts of people desperately trying to get this crap on their computer by any and so many complicated means possible. Save yourself the effort and waste of time. After all the effort they put into the set and filming, they forgot to find actors!
"It is essential that justice be done
Yeah, I think you probably are.
I connect at 15KB/s. Doh! I'll wait a bit...
You are a demigod.
I live in Minnesota and I've heard that this guy who plays the Andorian B'fuselek, caught his daughter born this summer... at home, without a midwife or anyone else present. Seems his wife had an hour long labor and gave birth in their master bedroom... he's now fondly called Doctor Josh by those he works with.
Random question: Was that the same Jefferies for whom the (in)famous Jefferies tubes are named?
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. -- Carl Sagan
That this thing is actually quite bad? The dialogue is rushed, the acting horrible. I wanted to like it. Oh well.
Here's what's got me wondering... They spent seven years tweaking every nuance of this. Why would someone do this? Why?
They're actually trying to tell us something. We could spend our time consuming products we don't need... watching mindless drivel on TV, or we could "do something" by making a cheap knock-off of a cheap TV show from 30+ years ago. Millions of years from now, our society and culture will only be known through the continuing "Star Trek" parodies. For Auld Lang Syne!
Bones! I! Have! Finally! Learned! Punctuation!
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
SUBJECT:Commander Chang (played by Nathan Wolf)
AFFILIATION: Klingon Empire
STATUS/POSITION:Commanding Officer of Prototype Klingon Battle Cruiser
KNOWN HISTORY: Klingon Commander Chang commands the first Klingon battle cruiser equipped with a Romulan cloaking device. Klingon use of cloaking technology was confirmed during the U.S.S Exeter's encounter with Chang on Epsilon Indi IV. Chang initiated hand to hand combat with the Exeter's Captain Garrovick on the planet surface and, while defending himself, Garrovick inadvertently put out one of Chang's eyes. Since that encounter, Chang is reported to wear a patch over his injured eye.
I wonder if this "taints" the production seriously from the standpoint of fair use? It would appear so.
Worlds Untouched by the Eyes of Man
Maybe it was just me, but I thought that was the funniest line in the whole thing.
In all television, there's little as enjoyable as series from the 1960s, superior in style, intelligence and wit to much if not all of what has followed. Watching the original Outer Limits as well as Danger Man/Secret Agent on DVD recently, I've been stunned by the level of quality. What happened to TV after, say, 1969? It's as if we were blasted from space by a giant Dumbness Ray.
Thanks bunches, Fastlink. Mega props to ya.
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This was so well done that I expect 14 more every year for 7 years.
Oh well.
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When the Klingons first ventured into space they immediately set about conquering every inhabited planet they encountered. Their overly ambitious expansion soon gave them an empire that was difficult for them to rule. As in the Roman Empire, the military forces on the frontier were highly autonomous, and what with the turmoil back home, many of the troops stationed faraway decided to settle down where they were, intermarry with locals and raise families.
After several generations various hybrid Klingon races became common on the frontier, assuming positions of authority and building and crewing their own starships. The first Klingons the Federation encountered were mostly of this type.
During the latter part of Kirk's career, the ruling clans undertook a vast campaign of racial cleansing, demoting or subjugating most of the hybrids. Those with distinguished service records (e.g. Kang) were allowed to take genetic therapy to remove "contaminants," which altered their appearance.
This brief episode of racial impurity, particularly the fact that the hybrids were often superior to pure-blooded Klingons in many ways (better organizers, less psycho) is tremendously embarassing to most Klingons. Hence Worf's extremely tight-lipped reaction -- "We do not speak of it."
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I mean, we're talking about Trekkies here. Haven't they done everything already? I guess not.
Of course, there are those (Italian? Spanish? Mexican?) remake of Star Trek, but that was an actual TV production. (A far worse in quality, as I understood.)
You Star Trek geeks really need to get a fucking LIFE.
Could someone please convert these to some VIEWABLE
format such as MPEG or divx. I tried Mplayer,
with no success. In principle the video might
be handled by an ugly binary only driver,
but I got just a segfault.
Has anyone bothered converting this to divx or mpeg? I probably could convert it if anyone wanted to host it or was even interested in it.
as a linux user, i lack a quicktime plugin. the source code points to these files, however:
t p://www.flapdoodle.org/exeter/actone.movs tarshipexeter.pdox.net/exeter/acttwo.movs tarshipexeter.pdox.net/exeter/actthree.mov
http://www.flapdoodle.org/exeter/teaser.mov
ht
http://
http://
http://www.flapdoodle.org/exeter/tag.mov
or:
http://www.flapdoodle.org/exeter/
will list the files
haven't played them yet, but in about 15 minutes it looks like i'll have the files. would have thought the thing slashdotted by now, and yet i've already got 30mb
...a Troll mod? That was kind of harsh.
Slashdot, home of supporters of free software, free music, and free speech.Except for Moderators that disagree with you.
Not sure what their source was for that info, but if anyone _is_ interested in canon...
The 1975 Ballantine, Franz Joseph edition (stardate 7511.01) Star Fleet Technical Manual lists four rounds of comissioning for the "Heavy Cruiser class", as follows:
14 MK-IX class:
- Constellation, NCC-1017 (class ship)
- Republic, NCC-1371
- Constitution, NCC-1700
- Enterprise, NCC-1701
- Farragut, NCC-1702
- Lexington, NCC-1703
- Yorktown, NCC-1704
- Excalibur, NCC-1705
- Exeter, NCC-1706
- Hood, NCC-1707
- Intrepid, NCC-1708
- Valiant, NCC-1709
- Kongo, NCC-1710
- Potempkin, NCC-1711
16 MK-IXa class:
- Bonhomme Richard, NCC-1712 (class ship)
- Monitor, NCC-1713
- Hornet, NCC-1714
- Merrimac, NCC-1715
- Endeavor, NCC-1716
- Defiance, NCC-1717
- Excelsior, NCC-1718
- Eagle, NCC-1719
- LaFayette, NCC-1720
- Wasp, NCC-1721
- El Dorado, NCC-1722
- Ari, NCC-1723
- Saratoga, NCC-1724
- Tori, NCC-1725
- Krieger, NCC-1726
- Essex, NCC-1727
4 replacements for Constitution class ships lost in the line of duty:
- Constellation II, NCC-1728
- Farragut II, NCC-1729
- Intrepid II, NCC-1730
- Valiant II, NCC-1731
111 MK-IXb class: hull numbers from NCC-1732 through NCC-1843
- Achernar, NCC-1732 (class ship)
- Tikopai, NCC-1800 (class ship)
One thing that bugs me about all this is the murky issue of what "class" all of these are supposed to be called: heavy cruiser, Constitution, or what?
The implication that I take from my source is as follows:
- the MK-IX run of ships are "Constitution class Heavy Cruisers"
- the MK-IXa run are "Bonhomme Richard class Heavy Cruisers"
-the MK-IXb run numbered NCC-1732 - NCC-1799 are "Achernar class Heavy Cruisers"
- the MK-IXb run numbered NCC-1800 - NCC-1843 are "Tikopai class Heavy Cruisers"
If appearance and essence were the same thing, there would be no need for science -- Dr. Michio Kaku
If you have a zillion bucks to spend on production and post, you can increase the "quality" dramatically. If you have no budget, or are self-financing like these guys, you make do with what you can.
That being said, I think they did a great job. I've gone the extent of getting a formal degree in Video Production, and I can testify that my first productions were horrible. This episode looks professional for a "first effort." Way to go guys!
SO it must make the Star Tribune (a major Minneapolis newspaper) feel like complete idiots to have this creative genius sitting right under their noses, doing illustrations for them for FREE, and all they can say is "he works in our mailroom." Boy is somebody in trouble!!!! Set your phasers for moron blast.
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For those that would die defending it, Freedom
has a sweet taste that the protected will never know.
First, some praise.
Now, for some constructive criticism
- Dialogue: there were some slightly askew lines. For example,
reference to the "medicine" should have been "serum" or "vaccine,"
as typically used on TOS. These convey a sense of more specialized
drugs, as opposed to "medicine" that implies over the counter cough syrup.
- PC: Like it or not, political correctness is important in any
production. Specifically, the alpha and omega reference in the opening
title voice over is clearly a reference to Christianity's Bible, and should
be changed.
- Cinematography: Take your camera off automatic exposure. The
camera's reaction to change in lighting during panning is distracting. Scenes
should also be more carefully designed, as camera angle and scene composition
in many places looked like a home video. Zoom in a little more, with
more scenes and points of view.
- Sound: More foley work would have been beneficial. For
example, crunching sounds when running through the woods, as well as sounds
of leaves brushing away when a character emerges would have benefited the
film. Also, consider boom mikes next time, as the dialogue had a hollow
sound, probably due to the use of the built in camcorder microphone. This
was especially true in the outdoor shots.
- Music: Using the original score definitely added to the experience,
but there's a hitch. My advice to the producers is: compose new music.
You have been very careful to avoid all ties to the original franchise
by not using "Star Trek" anywhere, not copying the original final frontier
voice over, etc. However, I believe the music is copyrighted and owned
by Paramount, and they may have legal basis to stop this production and any
future production due to unauthorized use.
Mind you, TOS production quality is poor by today's technology, and even a bit back then, so some of my criticisms may have been true of the TOS as well. However, I think you have something here. Great work and I hope to see more.Here's the real question: Is the TRM considered canon? I know the U.S.S. Enterprise blueprints from the same era (which are extremely cool) are not.
After that, we can settle the question of "Who is better, Kirk or Picard?"
Then, "What is the one, true religion?"
IDIC,
Rick
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
here. If you can't handle QuickTime for whatever reason or you just want to burn a VCD that you can pop into your DVD player, you want this file.
20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
http://www.mit.edu/~pdox/exeter/actone.mov
http://www.mit.edu/~pdox/exeter/actone.mov
http://web.mit.edu/pdox/www/exeter/acttwo.mov
http://starshipexeter.pdox.net/exeter/actthree.mov
http://www.flapdoodle.org/exeter/tag.mov
here are the new links
Dad adoring his little angel: http://www.naturalbabyshop.com/dadadore.jpg His wife gave new meaning to the term speedy delivery, when she gave birth in their home after only an hour of labor and the midwife had not arrived yet, either. Josh did a great job assisting his wife and baby was born beautiful and healthy. Great Job, Daddy-oh!
Take a look for yourself, and you decide... http://www.naturalbabyshop.com/AGOODONE.JPG nice family, Josh.
Since the previous site got slashdoted they have moved the location of the movies. The links to the non embeded versions of the movies are now:
http://www.flapdoodle.org/exeter/teaser.mov
http://www.mit.edu/~pdox/exeter/actone.mov
http://web.mit.edu/pdox/www/exeter/acttwo.mov
http://web.mit.edu/pdox/www/exeter/actthree.mov
http://www.flapdoodle.org/exeter/tag.mov
Also note: the starshipexeter web site it's self appears to have a broken link for the embeded move for act 3. The URL I gave for act 3 worked for me at the time of this post.
However, IMO what Starship Exeter proves is that the true genius of the original Star Trek was in the writing. As great as the visuals and audio cues are in Exeter, the plot and dialog are dreadful. (Garrovick VO: "...the repairs to the damage caused by the Klingon attack is almost complete.") No amount of time or technology can invest the producers of a Star Trek knock-off with the creativity of a Heinlein or Ellison or Gerrold.
What's curious to me is that the story takes itself so seriously. It would have been easy to make a few small changes and have a very clever satire. Instead, their treatment leads one to conclude that they believe their screenplay, like the sets, costumes and music, is true to the nature of the original. It's sad that their fine attention to the series' other creative elements didn't apply to the writing.
"Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised."
-Marilyn Manson
Random question: Was that the same Jefferies for whom the (in)famous Jefferies tubes are named?
It is indeed. Google has more.
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Where did you find this on Tech TV? I want to see it too... Thanks!
Kirk wins on emotional grounds (he was first, he's the standard by which others are measured).
Picard wins on merit, by acting like an actual captain.
Result: two Oscars, one each.
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My internet connection is getting hammered, causing my ping to jump up to around 800. Jesus. I would have liked some karma, sacrificing my connection like that. But no. No, no. Here I am sitting with no ability to play games over the internet, and only "Positive" karma.
If you want the files, I'm taking them down in just over an hour, at 8PM EST.
(if I remember to take them down, that is)
These Save Farscape people made an admirable effort to understand and describe the law on derivative works, specifically fan sites. Note that they point out ripoffs like "Ratscape" are also derivative works, odd as it seems.
:)
A nice plain-English effort, conscientious, and intelligently defensive of them. I can't vouch for every thing it says except for SAVE FARSCAPE damn it.
One clear effect of the Web will be to really put fair use through its paces, and to determine new meanings within it.
Hm. Good point.
Come to think of it, the original question that prompted my post was "why did the Johnson's go with NCC-1706 for the Exeter's hull number?"
The answer I came up with, based upon the 1975 SFTM, would seem to support the "true to form" label given to their efforts: the "period" reference materials listed Exeter as NCC-1706. Screw Paramount's decree of what's official and what isn't! ;-)
It doesn't really help that my source material, as cool as it is, raises more questions than it answers, though...
As for your other points of dogma, I've got to go with Kirk and the Old Religion. *8-)
Slightly more seriously, on the Kirk/Picard question, that's actually a tough one for me. I'll go with Kirk most of the time, because a) people usually ask the "...better Captain..." question, and b) they also usually have difficulty separating the actors' portrayal from the characters.
On point A, I think it would be difficult to say that Kirk the Captain was less than a tough, shrewd, and determined operator. Enterprise under his command was the only ship to complete its 5 year mission (ok, pulling from slightly post-TOS material here). And, for cryin' out loud, his first recorded mission resulted in new tactical study materials for Academy Cadets (The Corbomite Manuever). On the other hand, Picard was also very determined, and tough in his own way. But his way really was one of diplomacy and politics, as opposed to Kirk's sheer ballsy piracy (ala Captain Blood). And how many Enterprises has Picard lost!? In all the excitement I lost count...
As far as B goes, I don't care how many Shakespearean stage productions Bill has done, he'll never be the actor that Patrick is. Here's a fun idea: try to imaging Patrick Stewart's rendition of Kirk, and Bill Shatner's Picard.
If appearance and essence were the same thing, there would be no need for science -- Dr. Michio Kaku
Thank Good for Photoshop. You can't have professional graphics without a lens flare!
Valid point - can't anyone convert these files?
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
I'm a little surprised at how positive the comments here are by those who viewed Exeter! The sets/props/uniforms were stunning reproductions of Classic Trek. The camera work and editing and much of the effects and sound work was professional quality, or near enough to match Classic Trek .
OTOH, the story was mediocre at best, the acting was maybe fair, and one special effect in particular was horrendous! The witty banter at the end, ala Kirk, Spock and Bones was just plain bad!
Honestly, I think someone needs to convert this to an MST3K tribute! Superimpose the robot head shadows on the bottom of the frame, and add some witty comments, and you might have something on a par with their treatment of the "Hands of Kronos".
Spoiler Warning
Just imagine Crow singing "I love you, you love me..." during the one horrendous effect.
End Spoiler
The most advantageous, pre-eminent thing thou canst do is not to exhibit
nor display thyself within the limits of our galaxy, but rather depart
instantaneously whence thou even now standest and flee to yet another rotten
planet in the universe, if thou canst have the good fortune to find one.
-- Carlyle
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I found it about ten minutes before it was posted on Slashdot. Then the site practically went dead. All I saw up until then was the intro, but now I saw the full episode at its new site.
;)
Critique' follows:
The acting is horrible and unconvincing. The staging and dialogue are incredibly weak. I mean this is not totally awful, but less than real television quality. But still, a good view for Star Trek fans. But you'll pick up a few dozen places, at least, which are really really really really awful.
PS: The... er... "enemy"... can't seem to hit targets even at point-blank ranges. Gawd. This is horrible. Please pick me for the sequel.