I know we talk about how long it takes a machine to get infected but hot damn these hospitals must be loading these machines up behind no firewalls at all to get to the internet.
I would have to actually make conscious efforts to do that just to punch past the usual NAT, let alone everything else. What the hell are these people doing??
He opened up IE to download the patch and the homepage was MSN, with adds... That is how long.
Did you read the article? The X-ray was not supposed to be, but someone messed up. And that is the problem. The systems are so bad that a small mistake can have MAJOR consequences. There is no margin for error.
No one buys a smoke alarm until after they have had a fire. The simply do not see the risk, and do not trust the people telling them about it. I see it all the time with my clients...
I don't think anything short of mass crowds overrunning the centers of government and acquiring the info on what is really going on will change anything though....
They are seeing hints of that now with Trump and Sanders, and it is scaring the piss out of them. They keep talking about "the anger of the electorate." It is not anger, but RAGE! Serious, burn the whole thing down, kill them all and let God sort it our, RAGE! And shit like this is why.
Bingo. He was the one I was going to name. He specifically warned not just against the military and industry, but Government and education and "big science". What's interesting is the old General Eisenhower - the military man, born, bred, and raised - ended up being the most libertarian, personal freedom loving President we've had.
Makes sense to me. That is what he was fighting for.
Then... don't use the software. There is no arguement. Accept the telemetry features and use it or... don't.
No one know what tracking the were consenting to. That is the point. And they gave an option to turn it off that did not turn it off. That is the definition of deceptive trade practices. If this does not end up in court or the justice department, I will be surprised.
behaviour that I can't completely and reliably disable, my business isn't going to use your product.
As a matter of interest do you suggest your clients use a Home version of an OS in a security related enterprise routinely? Because Windows 10 has specific features that allow enterprises to control this behaviour in great detail.
So if you want to secure one desktop, you really need Windows Server and AD... Well, that will keep my small business TCO down.
You are confusing attack surfaces with privacy. The privacy thing is an additional problem. But more programs running all the time mean more things to attack and more ways to attack them. More complexity does not lead to more security.
You are meaningless to MS. Anyone that say Windoze or M$ or any of the other stupid shit that detracts from real issues and completely makes you look like a moron is not a concern of MS. You will never accept anything they do. Anything. Ever. And they know this. There are people like you for all major players and they are all the same. You don't like MS. We get it. So go away or make a viable alternative. No one else is there yet. Closer but still a long ways away and until that happens MS can do whatever they want.
Linux is a viable alternative in my home and has been for some time. Also I have more and more clients seriously looking at it and switching over more workloads, including some desktops. And things like this make Linux more attractive. And Mac... And just giving up the computer and using a tablet. In the past year I have been removing Windows more then installing it. (Replace laptop with a tablet for example.)
You need to drill down better. Ubuntu 15.10 in 19% of Linux. 14.04.3 is 17%. Other is 44% Since they only had room for 3 flavors of Ubuntu (Mint arguably is) the Steam box could be 4th and 5th place (There were two versions) for all we know.
in other words: I don't give a damn about my freedom, just let me play my stupid game.
Or they need openCL for number crunching, and the FOSS drivers do not have that. But people outside of your use case are obviously all idiots anyway, so why worry...
So stop saying you care about the four freedoms and just admit the community only cares about free as in beer because that is EXACTLY what we are talking about here.
Because it is all or nothing... Nope. I care about FOSS, and open software. But I NEED it to fucking work! So I run nVidia, and have for a while. I remember getting my second nVidia card, a 7950, and being excited. And it would still work fine now! Not so with AMD. I do run nouveau on one of my systems where 3D is not as critical, but it is just not there yet. Hopefully it will be one day. But in the mean time, I need my card to work!
A big part of the issue is that voters demand 'total security' from their governments - Citizens expect to be wrapped in a big, warm security blanket. You can't have total security and total liberty, so the governments dispense with liberty. Voters don't mind because hey, their kids are 'safe.'
And the irony is that it does nothing to make them safe. Criminals will still have guns and strong encryption, and the people now have less liberty.
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Some of us don't use "apps" when a web page works just fine. And once you read the TOS, you will too! God, they are privacy sucking nightmares!
Jobs might be dead, but his reality distortion field is alive and well in 2016.
"Reality distortion field," remember? Within it, he is not dead!
Like the Windows 10 "Upgrade..." Oh... That may be a bad example.
Older cars (or at least pre-1996) get more attractive every year!
I know we talk about how long it takes a machine to get infected but hot damn these hospitals must be loading these machines up behind no firewalls at all to get to the internet. I would have to actually make conscious efforts to do that just to punch past the usual NAT, let alone everything else. What the hell are these people doing??
He opened up IE to download the patch and the homepage was MSN, with adds... That is how long.
Did you read the article? The X-ray was not supposed to be, but someone messed up. And that is the problem. The systems are so bad that a small mistake can have MAJOR consequences. There is no margin for error.
No one buys a smoke alarm until after they have had a fire. The simply do not see the risk, and do not trust the people telling them about it. I see it all the time with my clients...
Funny that the company pushing cross platform so much does not have it for the VR test program. I keep looking at it from Steam. On Linux...
You are far from the first, many of us have beat you to that one. *Anyone* who didn't see this coming 8 years ago is a fool or willfully ignorant.
8 years ago? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... Fighting this is not something you do once.
I don't think anything short of mass crowds overrunning the centers of government and acquiring the info on what is really going on will change anything though....
They are seeing hints of that now with Trump and Sanders, and it is scaring the piss out of them. They keep talking about "the anger of the electorate." It is not anger, but RAGE! Serious, burn the whole thing down, kill them all and let God sort it our, RAGE! And shit like this is why.
Bingo. He was the one I was going to name. He specifically warned not just against the military and industry, but Government and education and "big science". What's interesting is the old General Eisenhower - the military man, born, bred, and raised - ended up being the most libertarian, personal freedom loving President we've had.
Makes sense to me. That is what he was fighting for.
Then... don't use the software. There is no arguement. Accept the telemetry features and use it or... don't.
No one know what tracking the were consenting to. That is the point. And they gave an option to turn it off that did not turn it off. That is the definition of deceptive trade practices. If this does not end up in court or the justice department, I will be surprised.
behaviour that I can't completely and reliably disable, my business isn't going to use your product.
As a matter of interest do you suggest your clients use a Home version of an OS in a security related enterprise routinely? Because Windows 10 has specific features that allow enterprises to control this behaviour in great detail.
So if you want to secure one desktop, you really need Windows Server and AD... Well, that will keep my small business TCO down.
You are confusing attack surfaces with privacy. The privacy thing is an additional problem. But more programs running all the time mean more things to attack and more ways to attack them. More complexity does not lead to more security.
You are meaningless to MS. Anyone that say Windoze or M$ or any of the other stupid shit that detracts from real issues and completely makes you look like a moron is not a concern of MS. You will never accept anything they do. Anything. Ever. And they know this. There are people like you for all major players and they are all the same. You don't like MS. We get it. So go away or make a viable alternative. No one else is there yet. Closer but still a long ways away and until that happens MS can do whatever they want.
Linux is a viable alternative in my home and has been for some time. Also I have more and more clients seriously looking at it and switching over more workloads, including some desktops. And things like this make Linux more attractive. And Mac... And just giving up the computer and using a tablet. In the past year I have been removing Windows more then installing it. (Replace laptop with a tablet for example.)
You need to drill down better. Ubuntu 15.10 in 19% of Linux. 14.04.3 is 17%. Other is 44% Since they only had room for 3 flavors of Ubuntu (Mint arguably is) the Steam box could be 4th and 5th place (There were two versions) for all we know.
There will be PPAs. :)
well said. Now lets see what the cattle says. "Oh I prefer to give up my freedom in order to play game x" :/
Or, perhaps to some people Linux is a tool, not a religion.
You can thank the kernel developers.
You got it backwards...
in other words: I don't give a damn about my freedom, just let me play my stupid game.
Or they need openCL for number crunching, and the FOSS drivers do not have that. But people outside of your use case are obviously all idiots anyway, so why worry...
So stop saying you care about the four freedoms and just admit the community only cares about free as in beer because that is EXACTLY what we are talking about here.
Because it is all or nothing... Nope. I care about FOSS, and open software. But I NEED it to fucking work! So I run nVidia, and have for a while. I remember getting my second nVidia card, a 7950, and being excited. And it would still work fine now! Not so with AMD. I do run nouveau on one of my systems where 3D is not as critical, but it is just not there yet. Hopefully it will be one day. But in the mean time, I need my card to work!
Sure it is. In the "Arts & Entertainment" section. :) I was amused...
So really it is just a global scientific test of who's is bigger.
A big part of the issue is that voters demand 'total security' from their governments - Citizens expect to be wrapped in a big, warm security blanket. You can't have total security and total liberty, so the governments dispense with liberty. Voters don't mind because hey, their kids are 'safe.'
And the irony is that it does nothing to make them safe. Criminals will still have guns and strong encryption, and the people now have less liberty.
Congratulations Australia, you're fucked.
Just which one is the un-fucked country these days?