Unless it is actually a brand name, trademark or copyright then there is no governing entity that gets to tell me how to refer to the product. In this case I use Mandrake Linux, an assembly of GPL software including portions of the GNU project.
If I was asked, I would say that I use a Linux system and if it would mean anything to the person asking maybe mention the GNU tools. GNU/Linux is a nonexistant entity invented for the purposes of trolling Slashdot for all I'm concerned. When the FSF makes a distro, then I'll say GNU/Linux.
Does the author's freedom to choose how his product is used to steal his recognition or profit enter into it?
Under an unlicensed, uncopyrighted scheme he has no reason to distribute the product at all except for pure altruism as he can expect no participation, recognition or profit from his work whatsoever. Under the GPL at least recognition is given and in many cases is considered plenty of payment for services rendered.
Moreover, the license holds on an international level whereas US "public" domain does not. Public domain means that it belongs to the US citizens at large. The GPL provides an area that isn't public domain and is also not proprietary.
The bottom line is that you can choose a different license. UL has the freedom not to comply with the GPL so long as they choose not to use software for which the author practiced. Restrictive or not, they must comply with the license of their choosing.
In this case the kiddie crap that got posted to whatever group your harvesting bot grabbed makes you a criminal for unwittingly being in posession of contraband.
My interpretation of the "BARELY LEGAL!!" stuff is that there is a demand for women on the young end of being biologically an adult which are legally considered children under US law. 18 years old is an entirely arbitrary number, if it were 16 or 21 or 35 the same debate over whether the limit were set properly would happen. If the limit was 16 we'd still see a demand for a particularly appealing group of 15 year olds. If it was 35 you could expect vast numbers of the population to be in violation of the law because their biology tells them that women beneath that limit are still viable mates.
I wouldn't always interpret the "child bride" as a victim either. It is worthwhile to note that there are cultures where taboos regarding pedophilia are not based on age but on maturity of the persons involved. If you are attracted to women who are biologically/tribally still children, you're in for a world of hurt. If she's a "woman" (has her first period) at 9 years old, that could well make her marriage/mating material at 9 with marriage being *the* significant achievement for a woman. She fulfills her purpose at 9 when others won't until they're 16. I can't say this is right or wrong only that it is considerably different from our "at 18 you're an adult, ready or not" situation.
And of course psychology has something to do with it, we can't ignore that typically a younger person has it ingrained to defer to an older person's judgement. This means that in a "pedophilial" relationship that the older person may be getting a sort of power trip out of it and often this is the case. We can't however judge all people on the same subjective criteria and expect the model to fit all cases.
We should not allow people to be victimized at any age. If I turn 18 before my girlfriend but we maintain sexual contact in the gap between our birthdays, that means I'm a pedophile? Or if I consider women a couple of years younger than myself sexually attractive makes me a sexual predator?
The law as it is defined now has it's flaws. Among them is the fact that the 18th birthday has no instinctual significance to the human populace it governs. When law is at odds with instinct or biology there is no question that it will be broken.
How much relevance does this have though? So they can't use BearShare to search for copyrighted material, they can use any of a dozen other clients on the same network to do the same search.
If they wanted to get ambitious, they'd go make their own client expressly for the purpose of finding copyrighted material.
Are they keeping a record of who they checked on and who was cleared? I'm curious to see if this develops into a system like a credit record where merely checking the record counts against you.
Am I going to be considered a likely suspect in the future because at one time someone saw that I had a particular port open, despite not sharing any files?
Until my layoff this past April, I was working for a fiber component manufacturer and I can attest to the fact that they are indeed still using glass fiber. Those little bastards are sharp and they break/scratch at the slightest provocation.
I've never understood this mode of thinking. You do not get paid for 24 hours a day. You get paid for whatever time you spend doing your appointed job. Unless you're taking time away from work to do whatever it is, then there is no time:money ratio.
This mode of thinking suggests that any endeavor for which you don't get paid is a waste of your time which could be better used making money. Is watching a football game or playing a video game or spending time with a loved one worth more hourly than what you get paid at work? Does doing dishes, washing your car or cleaning the litterbox pay you hourly "what you're worth"?
If the answer to these questions is no, and your assertion of time=money is to be believed, then none of these is worth doing. The only thing worth doing under these assumptions is the best paying job you can possibly do for 24 hours a day.
Life isn't, and never will be, cost effective. Don't waste your time making money when you could be making happiness. Go warezing, play games, shower, whatever floats your boat.
Just slightly curious, but where in the hell did this come from? I'm reading about this vinyl-ripping-scanner-thing and out comes this Win-Troll thread.
By the by, if you recompiled the kernel for a browser then you have a *very* peculiar set up. I've never had to do any such thing and that's ranging from a name brand machine for my mom to a server I slapped together from scrap and the cheapest stuff I could come find.
And if Linux is so lame, why can I use WineX and run Black and White when Windows 2000 on the same machine running DirectX with fully supported drivers doesn't work? I called tech support and after some back and forth they just offered to give me a sealed, shrink wrap copy so I could exchange it at a retailer because they had no more fixes to offer me.
There wasn't any discussion of outlawing them, only prohibiting their use in certain circumstances where it is rude to use them.
As for text messaging, that's obviously out of the scope of this discussion as it isn't one of the noisy, stupid, rude things that people do with celphones in movie theaters. I'm not sure how the special allowance can be made however and still have the desired level of inhibition on other activities.
I don't think those stereos should be outlawed either, but we *do* have decibel limits in some areas which go almost completely unenforced.
The point really is to nail the people who do these inconsiderate, dumb and sometimes mean things. If you are as you imply not one of these people then carry on with your quiet, considerate business and we'll get along.
Block cellphone frequencies in the theatre, allow it in the lobby. Simple fix, depending on whether you want to actively block the connection or simply put up a passive shield.
If you expect an important call, then you shouldn't be in the movies. If you're not expecting an important call then having to step out into the lobby to *make* a call isn't putting you out that much.
Yes there are emergency calls that you don't expect. Pick up your voicemail when you leave the theatre or something. Chances are good you can't or won't do anything about it anyway. Anything that urgent won't be undone by your presence.
If you could chill out a moment and not rush to nonsensical defense of your country you would see that there is a certain amount of sense to the argument, even from your point of view.
If we had the balls to keep our military *out* of other people's disputes, they would settle the problem one way or another. The problem is in part, ours, our agendas, overt and otherwise, will not let us keep our noses out of it.
If they think they need the US to help them out, they can ask for our help. Until that, they can handle it however they see fit. From your point of view it means making their own bed and lying in it, from their point of view it means the US lets sleeping dogs lie and/or stops playing big brother.
A self-fulfilling argument: plant the seed that it's for gays and scare off the homophobe (potential) customers, thus the people driving them must be gay or gay sympathizers.
I will be keeping my eye out for this approach as well. Pretzel logic is just so much fun.
Having a gas or diesel powered truck doesn't make sense unless you're *consistently* hauling significant loads. One of my personal pet peeves is how everyone in my *very* suburban neighborhood has to have a truck or SUV despite the fact that they use it to give rides to their 2 kids and/or commute to their desk jobs.
A contractor who hauls lumber or someone who carpools with a half dozen kids makes sense. Someone who needs 600 HP to haul their fat asses 30 miles in heavy traffic really needs to do some reality checking.
I suppose that the exhaust out of your vehicle is breathable by members of your species? Or are electric cars a better idea than you give them credit for?
Not a newbie at all, I was in a text mode browser where the lines don't wrap properly and I can't see what I'm typing if it isn't manually split among lines. So sorry to violate your elitist sensibilities.
After taking the edge off of it, you seem a lot more reasonable and I'll have to amend my initial impression. Thanks for the discussion.
No, I don't believe that any single one of us has sufficient knowledge or wisdom to judge that any belief system is wholly wrong. I don't believe we can judge one to be wholly right either, by no means do I intend that to be my argument.
And yes, I'm well aware that a typical dogma won't allow any but it's own system to have any validity. It's not a practice with which I agree.
The implied intent was to criticize those who have beliefs different from your own. Whilst your aim might not have been telling any single person how to believe, you did imply that a classification of belief is wholly invalid.
I think there's a prejudice among certain sectors of the population that PC games are for "grown ups" and consoles are for kids. Seems to me that I recall hearing at some time how *games* were for kids and "grown ups" didn't play them.
I played Final Fantasy 7 on PC first and hated it, but later played it on console and it wasn't so bad. I kinda figured that my expectations had been set up by playing everything else on console and the PC gaming experience just wasn't even close to the same.
Of course it would be impossible to measure success in overall growth of the company's recognition via market research. Likewise it would be much too subjective to measure success in stability of their position in the market, market share, etc.
If you own 90% of a $100,000 market, you have succeeded the same as if you had 90% of any other market. It a smaller market with smaller $$$ but success is measured by how you compare to your competition, not how you competed, in what field, etc.
Now the problem with this is that they were established before the current business climate. If UL was run by as a "modern" business, nothing would pass testing if it didn't have a brand name emblazoned on it in blinking neon and anything would pass if it did.
"Snake Oil" + Cocaine + Standard Oil = The state of modern capitalism
More or less, what it boils down to, is that the internet/web in its current form is what the world would look like if you ran around wearing x-ray magnifying glasses and omni-directional microphones for your hearing. It's the same as the real world, only bigger, louder, in your face. All the same dangers, crooks and the lot, they're just faster and contrasted better.
His problem is still the same, with most tools you still have to download it, or part of it, in order to do analysis and determine what is spam and what isn't spam. These filters *must* go on the ISP end of the equation or else there's no bandwidth saved.
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It "is" GNU/Linux? According to what authority?
Unless it is actually a brand name, trademark or copyright then there is no governing entity that gets to tell me how to refer to the product. In this case I use Mandrake Linux, an assembly of GPL software including portions of the GNU project.
If I was asked, I would say that I use a Linux system and if it would mean anything to the person asking maybe mention the GNU tools. GNU/Linux is a nonexistant entity invented for the purposes of trolling Slashdot for all I'm concerned. When the FSF makes a distro, then I'll say GNU/Linux.
Does the author's freedom to choose how his product is used to steal his recognition or profit enter into it?
Under an unlicensed, uncopyrighted scheme he has no reason to distribute the product at all except for pure altruism as he can expect no participation, recognition or profit from his work whatsoever. Under the GPL at least recognition is given and in many cases is considered plenty of payment for services rendered.
Moreover, the license holds on an international level whereas US "public" domain does not. Public domain means that it belongs to the US citizens at large. The GPL provides an area that isn't public domain and is also not proprietary.
The bottom line is that you can choose a different license. UL has the freedom not to comply with the GPL so long as they choose not to use software for which the author practiced. Restrictive or not, they must comply with the license of their choosing.
In this case the kiddie crap that got posted to whatever group your harvesting bot grabbed makes you a criminal for unwittingly being in posession of contraband.
My interpretation of the "BARELY LEGAL!!" stuff is that there is a demand for women on the young end of being biologically an adult which are legally considered children under US law. 18 years old is an entirely arbitrary number, if it were 16 or 21 or 35 the same debate over whether the limit were set properly would happen. If the limit was 16 we'd still see a demand for a particularly appealing group of 15 year olds. If it was 35 you could expect vast numbers of the population to be in violation of the law because their biology tells them that women beneath that limit are still viable mates.
I wouldn't always interpret the "child bride" as a victim either. It is worthwhile to note that there are cultures where taboos regarding pedophilia are not based on age but on maturity of the persons involved. If you are attracted to women who are biologically/tribally still children, you're in for a world of hurt. If she's a "woman" (has her first period) at 9 years old, that could well make her marriage/mating material at 9 with marriage being *the* significant achievement for a woman. She fulfills her purpose at 9 when others won't until they're 16. I can't say this is right or wrong only that it is considerably different from our "at 18 you're an adult, ready or not" situation.
And of course psychology has something to do with it, we can't ignore that typically a younger person has it ingrained to defer to an older person's judgement. This means that in a "pedophilial" relationship that the older person may be getting a sort of power trip out of it and often this is the case. We can't however judge all people on the same subjective criteria and expect the model to fit all cases.
We should not allow people to be victimized at any age. If I turn 18 before my girlfriend but we maintain sexual contact in the gap between our birthdays, that means I'm a pedophile? Or if I consider women a couple of years younger than myself sexually attractive makes me a sexual predator?
The law as it is defined now has it's flaws. Among them is the fact that the 18th birthday has no instinctual significance to the human populace it governs. When law is at odds with instinct or biology there is no question that it will be broken.
How much relevance does this have though? So they can't use BearShare to search for copyrighted material, they can use any of a dozen other clients on the same network to do the same search. If they wanted to get ambitious, they'd go make their own client expressly for the purpose of finding copyrighted material.
Are they keeping a record of who they checked on and who was cleared? I'm curious to see if this develops into a system like a credit record where merely checking the record counts against you.
Am I going to be considered a likely suspect in the future because at one time someone saw that I had a particular port open, despite not sharing any files?
Until my layoff this past April, I was working for a fiber component manufacturer and I can attest to the fact that they are indeed still using glass fiber. Those little bastards are sharp and they break/scratch at the slightest provocation.
How many threads did this get posted to? I was reading about that vinyl record ripper (real or imagined) and ran across this same stupid comment.
I've never understood this mode of thinking. You do not get paid for 24 hours a day. You get paid for whatever time you spend doing your appointed job. Unless you're taking time away from work to do whatever it is, then there is no time:money ratio.
This mode of thinking suggests that any endeavor for which you don't get paid is a waste of your time which could be better used making money. Is watching a football game or playing a video game or spending time with a loved one worth more hourly than what you get paid at work? Does doing dishes, washing your car or cleaning the litterbox pay you hourly "what you're worth"?
If the answer to these questions is no, and your assertion of time=money is to be believed, then none of these is worth doing. The only thing worth doing under these assumptions is the best paying job you can possibly do for 24 hours a day.
Life isn't, and never will be, cost effective. Don't waste your time making money when you could be making happiness. Go warezing, play games, shower, whatever floats your boat.
Just slightly curious, but where in the hell did this come from? I'm reading about this vinyl-ripping-scanner-thing and out comes this Win-Troll thread.
By the by, if you recompiled the kernel for a browser then you have a *very* peculiar set up. I've never had to do any such thing and that's ranging from a name brand machine for my mom to a server I slapped together from scrap and the cheapest stuff I could come find.
And if Linux is so lame, why can I use WineX and run Black and White when Windows 2000 on the same machine running DirectX with fully supported drivers doesn't work? I called tech support and after some back and forth they just offered to give me a sealed, shrink wrap copy so I could exchange it at a retailer because they had no more fixes to offer me.
There wasn't any discussion of outlawing them, only prohibiting their use in certain circumstances where it is rude to use them.
As for text messaging, that's obviously out of the scope of this discussion as it isn't one of the noisy, stupid, rude things that people do with celphones in movie theaters. I'm not sure how the special allowance can be made however and still have the desired level of inhibition on other activities.
I don't think those stereos should be outlawed either, but we *do* have decibel limits in some areas which go almost completely unenforced.
The point really is to nail the people who do these inconsiderate, dumb and sometimes mean things. If you are as you imply not one of these people then carry on with your quiet, considerate business and we'll get along.
Block cellphone frequencies in the theatre, allow it in the lobby. Simple fix, depending on whether you want to actively block the connection or simply put up a passive shield.
If you expect an important call, then you shouldn't be in the movies. If you're not expecting an important call then having to step out into the lobby to *make* a call isn't putting you out that much.
Yes there are emergency calls that you don't expect. Pick up your voicemail when you leave the theatre or something. Chances are good you can't or won't do anything about it anyway. Anything that urgent won't be undone by your presence.
If you could chill out a moment and not rush to nonsensical defense of your country you would see that there is a certain amount of sense to the argument, even from your point of view.
If we had the balls to keep our military *out* of other people's disputes, they would settle the problem one way or another. The problem is in part, ours, our agendas, overt and otherwise, will not let us keep our noses out of it.
If they think they need the US to help them out, they can ask for our help. Until that, they can handle it however they see fit. From your point of view it means making their own bed and lying in it, from their point of view it means the US lets sleeping dogs lie and/or stops playing big brother.
Fascinating approach to trolling.
A self-fulfilling argument: plant the seed that it's for gays and scare off the homophobe (potential) customers, thus the people driving them must be gay or gay sympathizers.
I will be keeping my eye out for this approach as well. Pretzel logic is just so much fun.
Having a gas or diesel powered truck doesn't make sense unless you're *consistently* hauling significant loads. One of my personal pet peeves is how everyone in my *very* suburban neighborhood has to have a truck or SUV despite the fact that they use it to give rides to their 2 kids and/or commute to their desk jobs.
A contractor who hauls lumber or someone who carpools with a half dozen kids makes sense. Someone who needs 600 HP to haul their fat asses 30 miles in heavy traffic really needs to do some reality checking.
I suppose that the exhaust out of your vehicle is breathable by members of your species? Or are electric cars a better idea than you give them credit for?
Not a newbie at all, I was in a text mode browser where the lines don't wrap properly and I can't see what I'm typing if it isn't manually split among lines. So sorry to violate your elitist sensibilities.
After taking the edge off of it, you seem a lot more reasonable and I'll have to amend my initial impression. Thanks for the discussion.
No, I don't believe that any single one of us has
sufficient knowledge or wisdom to judge that any
belief system is wholly wrong. I don't believe we
can judge one to be wholly right either, by no means
do I intend that to be my argument.
And yes, I'm well aware that a typical dogma won't
allow any but it's own system to have any validity.
It's not a practice with which I agree.
The implied intent was to criticize those who have
beliefs different from your own. Whilst your aim
might not have been telling any single person how
to believe, you did imply that a classification of
belief is wholly invalid.
No worries. His money is probably better spent on surgery to reduce the swelling of his head anyway.
Get well soon! Do you have a place we can send flowers?
I think there's a prejudice among certain sectors of the population that PC games are for "grown ups" and consoles are for kids. Seems to me that I recall hearing at some time how *games* were for kids and "grown ups" didn't play them.
I played Final Fantasy 7 on PC first and hated it, but later played it on console and it wasn't so bad. I kinda figured that my expectations had been set up by playing everything else on console and the PC gaming experience just wasn't even close to the same.
Of course it would be impossible to measure success in overall growth of the company's recognition via market research. Likewise it would be much too subjective to measure success in stability of their position in the market, market share, etc.
If you own 90% of a $100,000 market, you have succeeded the same as if you had 90% of any other market. It a smaller market with smaller $$$ but success is measured by how you compare to your competition, not how you competed, in what field, etc.
Now the problem with this is that they were established before the current business climate. If UL was run by as a "modern" business, nothing would pass testing if it didn't have a brand name emblazoned on it in blinking neon and anything would pass if it did.
"Snake Oil" + Cocaine + Standard Oil = The state of modern capitalism
More or less, what it boils down to, is that the internet/web in its current form is what the world would look like if you ran around wearing x-ray magnifying glasses and omni-directional microphones for your hearing. It's the same as the real world, only bigger, louder, in your face. All the same dangers, crooks and the lot, they're just faster and contrasted better.
Now if only there was some way of having the internet bring the stupid people to the smart people.
His problem is still the same, with most tools you still have to download it, or part of it, in order to do analysis and determine what is spam and what isn't spam. These filters *must* go on the ISP end of the equation or else there's no bandwidth saved.