Of course I would pay 5 c for a song. For that price you can't even buy a whistle. A guitar costs fortunes, and anyway, my voice sucks big time.
It's an interesting idea, maybe even applicable to other areas as well.
I know I'm going to get a lot of "hippie commie shitheat" comments, but it would be a wonderful thing if we could get this money thing behind us. It's a great way to barter, it's so universal one could almost believe it's pre-wired like language, it beats having to kick your neighbour out of the tree to keep your bananas (like our close cousins do...) but after so many thousands of years of social and technical evolution it would be great to find a meaningful way to feed the tribe without all this money and poverty stuff.
Point two is somewhat of a stretch when you think the inventor of linux would test linux kernels on PPC running OS X. You could hardly draw any conclusions on mac software from that, what?
Point three is over the top since every day hundreds, nay thousands of people give each-other mac hardware (not always G5's) and Apple won't toast anyone for that, on the contrary.
Seriously, I know it's not cool to comment on look and feel on/. but that's where you inevitably go with consumer products.
And these things look goooood. If they're as good as iPods in sound and ease of use (conveniently NOT thinking about iTMS and iTunes) they should sell quite well. And battery life of 50 hours with thingies you can buy in just about every store won't hurt either.
Of course, as a mac user, I think I'll have to pass, I don't see them make it mac compatible, the bastards:-)
imo the first real competition. Strange, how the consumer space works, no?
What ho, I'm not so sure (well, you're obviously right about baby Jesus and the one button mouse)...
For years Fnac (French pan-european books music and electronics store) offers macs but with salespitches indeed basically going "Macs suck, look at this Compaq here..."
But recently this has changed completely, I now hear them sell the thingies pretty balanced: "No, it doesn't run Windows, maybe that's a problem for you, but maybe not? What do you want your computer to do?"
And other intelligent noises like that. And indeed sell a good number of iMacs, portables and mini's. I gather pro's don't buy their G5 powertowers there...
Sort of like Hell froze over. Must be because they also sell a gazillion iPods every day...
Apart from the fact that you are absolutely right, it bears repeating what other posters stated: a bugreport is a voluntary contribution made mostly by complete no-no's to the art of bug reporting.
Trying to educate these people is counter productive.
What I suggest is take a "proprietary" approach. State clearly on the page that you are thankful of their time and that you sadly can't answer all posts.
And meanwhile be grateful that actual users are so engaged that they DO report bugs...
Apple tax is already much reduced on their cheaper stuff - emac and mini. Their margin is much lower than on their +$1000 computers. In the case of the mini, if you're looking for the cheapest hardware without the need for OS X and assorted goodies, you'll have to look hard to find something satisfactory. Of course you'll find something I'm sure, but this is already one cheap computer. And if you do look at the software and OS, you won't find anything for that price, period. Even when you feel XP personal edition is comparable to OS X Panther.
The thing that irks me is that however wonderful the Apple Mini is, Intel is also doing a concept design of something that has been done on the PC side of things already.
As if someone would proudly show a concept car of a new Mini or Smart, almost ten years after the fact...
This lack of imagination is almost insulting to PC brands that try to do entertainment designs or small form factors. I'm generally totally unimpressed by PC design, but one has to acknowledge the fact that there is already enough on the market to surpass Intel's revolutionary concept.
Never mind Apple, I don't think Intel can do anything design-wise to insult them. Apple's actual products are way above and beyond these concepts.
Very strange that when most non-US citizens say "hmmm, reasonable", most US-citizens shout "Liberal liberal"...
As if, as if this label excuses anybody to use his/her (godgiven?) brains and run back to daddy Bush or mummy Kerry.
While it is true that in certain key area's the Democrats in the US are every bit as ugly as the Republicans - who at least do it in the open - that doesn't mean all is said or all is excused.
The land of the free doesn't seem to offer much debate culture. Everything is instantly polarized, categorized and thus excused from further intelligent debate, because "Liberal Liberal - Communist Communist - Unbeliever Unbeliever -..." It would really be a nice thing to have a few more political parties in the US - official ones, say ones that get invited to debates...
Anyway in this case some scientists from an organization with more democratic roots than republican roots say worriesome things.
What? They CAN'T BE TRUE because of their alleged political agenda?
The opposite however is very plausible I presume, that a government that has a history of noncooperation, changing the facts and bending the media by methods that are frowned upon by every side of any spectrum DOES NOT however interfere in the scientific process.
Right. I think I'll go with the side of the actual scientists who're reporting facts that can be verified here and there before shouting foul.
But hey, you know, if that gets to you, just shout "Liberal Liberal" a few times. I'm sure you'll feel better in no time.
note: the term liberal means conservative right-ish bastard where I come from, so it indeed is slightly insulting...
I hope you're recently married. Your wife asks a simple thing and you're going to 1) not give her what she wants 2) take away quality time to give it to her 3) condemn her to your support for everything, which includes the software she doesn't get - which she wanted instead of just giving her what she wants because it 1) is the cheapest option 2) is the easiest option 3) is the only option that includes everything she asked for
Only love will make this an endearing feat, my superman...
A geek is a geek is a geek is a hopeless non-empathic cheap bastard who doesn't know his luck.
Your wife ASKS you to buy A SPECIFIC COMPUTER. And you think that's a problem. You're going to go to all the trouble to buy her something "better" - read: not what SHE asks but what YOU want to buy.
Dude, you've got a problem, and it's not necessarily with computers.
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There are no programs for it, they have no market share. Just buy a Mac!
God, I always wanted to say that;-)
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"Aside from the fact most stuff has an OS X port, why would you run Linux ?"
I don't want to run Linux, but would like to contest this remark. Most stuff doesn't have an OS X port. Not native anyway, and if it has, more likely than not it's more sort of a Proof of Concept port. The Read Me always reads like this: "Don't compare this to the Windows or Linux port. There are still many problems to solve. But We Did IT!
Which is nice of course, but that's it then. No follow up, no bug fixing.
Not giving critique, but that's pretty much the state of things as far as native OS X FOSS porting goes.
Of course, on Fink/X11 you'll find most anything your heart desires...
That's an opinion. It's a bit like the people's right to bear arms shall not be infringed... Strong principles. Germany otoh has outlawed being a member of fascist parties, spreading hate-messages or negating WWII. Can you blame them? I don't.
You can talk about this until you're blue in the face, it doesn't get easier. Where do the limits of society and the freedom of individuals clash. In case of the burka, I'm horribly divided. As a visual means to oppression I say ban the thing, as a custom that's not even islamitic in its nature I say who the fuck cares. When girls have to die in a fire rather than leave their burning school without their burka on (actually happened), it's easy to have an opinion. When girls get removed from school in contemporary France for that same piece of cloth it gets silly.
However, living in France I can testify to the fact that the media is more upset than the French muslims. They happily go on wearing the thing outside school and don't make it an issue inside it - apart from 3 (three) girls who refused to take it off. Well, that proves that healthy (or unhealthy) rebellion is within us all at a certain age.
Also, note that among muslims the opinions are equally divided. A lot of women actually think it's a good thing - regardless of their personal custom - since it further helps to emancipate their daughters and themselves. A lot of men happen to agree. A lot of girls who protest this would probably protest wearing the thing if the law wouldn't have come up in a few years. And some imams have rightly pointed out that in actual fact the quran doesn't really say anything on the subject.
In principle - when all's said and done - I think (with emphasis on think) it's a good thing, religious dividers don't belong in a classroom, in any form. But that's the principle of course. In reality things get silly pretty fast.
I'm not talking about inverted swastika's. And indeed it's a fact of life that symbols get hi-jacked by others. More's the pity.
And fwiw, swastika's aren't banned. It's a proposal to ban it.
And on Americans and ignorance: I don't call Americans ignorant. I might call the majority of Americans ignorant on for instance foreign issues, or their own foreign politics or their own politics for that matter. And I might be proven right by US statistics on those issues. I might point out they're not the ultimate authority on Freedom and Democracy, and be proven right by your CIA's own documents on the last 50 years - or current events for that matter.
Or I might just sigh and not bother. Who cares? Is your life good? Well, OK then. Seize the day.
Not to speak of its capacity... It gives me great anguish. Wait for HD players to be reasonable priced (meaning within my budget) or compromise and buy memory stick with head phones...:-)
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What, you suggesting I'm too cheap to buy the guy a beer?
Nice and very clear explanation btw.
Of course I would pay 5 c for a song. For that price you can't even buy a whistle. A guitar costs fortunes, and anyway, my voice sucks big time.
It's an interesting idea, maybe even applicable to other areas as well.
I know I'm going to get a lot of "hippie commie shitheat" comments, but it would be a wonderful thing if we could get this money thing behind us. It's a great way to barter, it's so universal one could almost believe it's pre-wired like language, it beats having to kick your neighbour out of the tree to keep your bananas (like our close cousins do...) but after so many thousands of years of social and technical evolution it would be great to find a meaningful way to feed the tribe without all this money and poverty stuff.
Let me add to this:
4: Martians really do exist
5: I like fruit
Point two is somewhat of a stretch when you think the inventor of linux would test linux kernels on PPC running OS X. You could hardly draw any conclusions on mac software from that, what?
Point three is over the top since every day hundreds, nay thousands of people give each-other mac hardware (not always G5's) and Apple won't toast anyone for that, on the contrary.
Just my opinion, nothing earth shattering...
Cheers!
Seriously, I know it's not cool to comment on look and feel on /. but that's where you inevitably go with consumer products.
:-)
And these things look goooood. If they're as good as iPods in sound and ease of use (conveniently NOT thinking about iTMS and iTunes) they should sell quite well. And battery life of 50 hours with thingies you can buy in just about every store won't hurt either.
Of course, as a mac user, I think I'll have to pass, I don't see them make it mac compatible, the bastards
imo the first real competition. Strange, how the consumer space works, no?
What ho, I'm not so sure (well, you're obviously right about baby Jesus and the one button mouse)...
For years Fnac (French pan-european books music and electronics store) offers macs but with salespitches indeed basically going "Macs suck, look at this Compaq here..."
But recently this has changed completely, I now hear them sell the thingies pretty balanced: "No, it doesn't run Windows, maybe that's a problem for you, but maybe not? What do you want your computer to do?"
And other intelligent noises like that. And indeed sell a good number of iMacs, portables and mini's. I gather pro's don't buy their G5 powertowers there...
Sort of like Hell froze over. Must be because they also sell a gazillion iPods every day...
"Also, your bug reporting style is very poor."
Apart from the fact that you are absolutely right, it bears repeating what other posters stated: a bugreport is a voluntary contribution made mostly by complete no-no's to the art of bug reporting.
Trying to educate these people is counter productive.
What I suggest is take a "proprietary" approach. State clearly on the page that you are thankful of their time and that you sadly can't answer all posts.
And meanwhile be grateful that actual users are so engaged that they DO report bugs...
Apart from the good point you're making...
Apple tax is already much reduced on their cheaper stuff - emac and mini. Their margin is much lower than on their +$1000 computers.
In the case of the mini, if you're looking for the cheapest hardware without the need for OS X and assorted goodies, you'll have to look hard to find something satisfactory. Of course you'll find something I'm sure, but this is already one cheap computer.
And if you do look at the software and OS, you won't find anything for that price, period. Even when you feel XP personal edition is comparable to OS X Panther.
The thing that irks me is that however wonderful the Apple Mini is, Intel is also doing a concept design of something that has been done on the PC side of things already.
As if someone would proudly show a concept car of a new Mini or Smart, almost ten years after the fact...
This lack of imagination is almost insulting to PC brands that try to do entertainment designs or small form factors. I'm generally totally unimpressed by PC design, but one has to acknowledge the fact that there is already enough on the market to surpass Intel's revolutionary concept.
Never mind Apple, I don't think Intel can do anything design-wise to insult them. Apple's actual products are way above and beyond these concepts.
Did switching work for you? Why (not)?
(Whichever direction, mac to linux, linux to pc, amiga to atari, whatever...)
You're forgetting all those crashed toys laying around. That should give us some room for obnoxiousness...
fair enough...
Very strange that when most non-US citizens say "hmmm, reasonable", most US-citizens shout "Liberal liberal"...
..." It would really be a nice thing to have a few more political parties in the US - official ones, say ones that get invited to debates...
As if, as if this label excuses anybody to use his/her (godgiven?) brains and run back to daddy Bush or mummy Kerry.
While it is true that in certain key area's the Democrats in the US are every bit as ugly as the Republicans - who at least do it in the open - that doesn't mean all is said or all is excused.
The land of the free doesn't seem to offer much debate culture. Everything is instantly polarized, categorized and thus excused from further intelligent debate, because "Liberal Liberal - Communist Communist - Unbeliever Unbeliever -
Anyway in this case some scientists from an organization with more democratic roots than republican roots say worriesome things.
What? They CAN'T BE TRUE because of their alleged political agenda?
The opposite however is very plausible I presume, that a government that has a history of noncooperation, changing the facts and bending the media by methods that are frowned upon by every side of any spectrum DOES NOT however interfere in the scientific process.
Right. I think I'll go with the side of the actual scientists who're reporting facts that can be verified here and there before shouting foul.
But hey, you know, if that gets to you, just shout "Liberal Liberal" a few times. I'm sure you'll feel better in no time.
note: the term liberal means conservative right-ish bastard where I come from, so it indeed is slightly insulting...
One can joke about just about anything without knowing all the context.
You don't administer a mac. You tell it what to do.
Never saw Scotty when they saved the whales?
"Computer? Computer!?!"
Seriously: what's to administer?
I hope you're recently married. Your wife asks a simple thing and you're going to
1) not give her what she wants
2) take away quality time to give it to her
3) condemn her to your support for everything, which includes the software she doesn't get - which she wanted
instead of just giving her what she wants because it
1) is the cheapest option
2) is the easiest option
3) is the only option that includes everything she asked for
Only love will make this an endearing feat, my superman...
A geek is a geek is a geek is a hopeless non-empathic cheap bastard who doesn't know his luck.
Your wife ASKS you to buy A SPECIFIC COMPUTER. And you think that's a problem. You're going to go to all the trouble to buy her something "better" - read: not what SHE asks but what YOU want to buy.
Dude, you've got a problem, and it's not necessarily with computers.
Nice :-)
There are no programs for it, they have no market share. Just buy a Mac!
;-)
God, I always wanted to say that
"Aside from the fact most stuff has an OS X port, why would you run Linux ?"
I don't want to run Linux, but would like to contest this remark. Most stuff doesn't have an OS X port. Not native anyway, and if it has, more likely than not it's more sort of a Proof of Concept port. The Read Me always reads like this: "Don't compare this to the Windows or Linux port. There are still many problems to solve. But We Did IT!
Which is nice of course, but that's it then. No follow up, no bug fixing.
Not giving critique, but that's pretty much the state of things as far as native OS X FOSS porting goes.
Of course, on Fink/X11 you'll find most anything your heart desires...
That's an opinion. It's a bit like the people's right to bear arms shall not be infringed... Strong principles. Germany otoh has outlawed being a member of fascist parties, spreading hate-messages or negating WWII. Can you blame them? I don't.
OK, how many Europeans do you think - or Americans - are going to think benign thoughts when seeing a swastika in either direction?
Note the EU isn't trying to ban the use of swastika's outside of the EU.
Yessss...
You can talk about this until you're blue in the face, it doesn't get easier. Where do the limits of society and the freedom of individuals clash. In case of the burka, I'm horribly divided. As a visual means to oppression I say ban the thing, as a custom that's not even islamitic in its nature I say who the fuck cares. When girls have to die in a fire rather than leave their burning school without their burka on (actually happened), it's easy to have an opinion. When girls get removed from school in contemporary France for that same piece of cloth it gets silly.
However, living in France I can testify to the fact that the media is more upset than the French muslims. They happily go on wearing the thing outside school and don't make it an issue inside it - apart from 3 (three) girls who refused to take it off. Well, that proves that healthy (or unhealthy) rebellion is within us all at a certain age.
Also, note that among muslims the opinions are equally divided. A lot of women actually think it's a good thing - regardless of their personal custom - since it further helps to emancipate their daughters and themselves. A lot of men happen to agree. A lot of girls who protest this would probably protest wearing the thing if the law wouldn't have come up in a few years. And some imams have rightly pointed out that in actual fact the quran doesn't really say anything on the subject.
In principle - when all's said and done - I think (with emphasis on think) it's a good thing, religious dividers don't belong in a classroom, in any form. But that's the principle of course. In reality things get silly pretty fast.
I'm not talking about inverted swastika's. And indeed it's a fact of life that symbols get hi-jacked by others. More's the pity.
And fwiw, swastika's aren't banned. It's a proposal to ban it.
And on Americans and ignorance: I don't call Americans ignorant. I might call the majority of Americans ignorant on for instance foreign issues, or their own foreign politics or their own politics for that matter. And I might be proven right by US statistics on those issues. I might point out they're not the ultimate authority on Freedom and Democracy, and be proven right by your CIA's own documents on the last 50 years - or current events for that matter.
Or I might just sigh and not bother. Who cares? Is your life good? Well, OK then. Seize the day.
Not to speak of its capacity... :-)
It gives me great anguish. Wait for HD players to be reasonable priced (meaning within my budget) or compromise and buy memory stick with head phones...
"No, the prudish Americans are a tiny minority - bordering on a myth, really."
Keep dreaming pall. One day they'll come knocking at your door too, confiscating your playboys and hard drive