You have to be prepared to make offers in order to live in the land of the Free, right?
You have the best democracy (two parties invited only, paid by companies) and with over two million people in prison you're definitely going places.
Now, if a president wants to punish you for your votes and further restricts your rights, isn't that a small price to pay for liberty?
What I personally find hilarious is that so many people voted Bush for "moral" reasons. It would be even funnier if the consequences for the have not's weren't so dire.
"apples loud-mouth marketing is pathetic, 200 new features? yeah right...just like the "over 150 new features" in panther?, i could count to about 7 or 8"
I recommend you not to buy the upgrade. But be honest, compare with other OS upgrades and you'll see what value is in the package. For me, the whole widget thing is extremely useful. I've only just explained that yesterday, not about to do it again, but it's a very Good Thing(TM) for me and I think lots of other people. Not talking about the potential, just the widgets that are standard in Tiger. Spotlight is another thing most computer users have been asking for. Now we get it. And it's a hell of a lot more useful than the Google thing. And maybe next year or the next we can see if Windows will be on par. You don't want it? Don't buy it. Apart from that, this is not a trivial "update". Just like core audio was a godsend, core video is way out there. About half of the 200 features appeal to me. That's pretty much. You sir, can't judge this, if you can only count to 8;-) You'll be happy to hear however that the Turd agrees with you, but sadly that doesn't say much about the credibility of your statement. So please, whatever OS you use, be honest in your assessment. And I repeat, upgrading is a voluntary process.
Well, I have a slightly different opinion: I don't respect someone's opinion a priori. I think it's a fallacy to pretend otherwise. The ability of adults to believe in santa clause and to reject scientific thought to me is very frightening. Otoh I do respect people in general. That's a big difference.
"An obsolete 400mHz machine doesn't run any modern desktop apps on any OS well"
Ahem, my setup is a Cube 450Mhz, running the latest OS, and I'm looking forward to upgrading to Tiger.
Of course I *want* a faster machine, but to be honest, I don't *need* it. I do video, CAD, graphics, pictures, music, telephony and of course a lot of other things.
And no, it won't run Doom III very well. But I knew when I bought it five years ago, that it wasn't a gaming machine (although I've logged quite a few hours of Quake III).
And yes, I think Windows sucks, but I'm mature enough to recognize this is a personal preference and not a fair assessment. Although I'm fed up with maintaining Windows boxes, it becomes far too esoteric. I have to download SP's on my mac for fear of turning the machines into zombies just by connecting them freshly installed on the internet.
All good things are obvious. Powered steering IS nice, although I've happily driven a battered Renault without it.
Dashboard is like Exposé, absolutely not essential, but in reality it makes life so much easier. Are other systems so much more trouble? Yes. Can I do without? Yes. That's not the point.
For flights, I have to go to the destination airport website and hope they have decent tracking online. For translations and such I use Sherlock, not bad, but I don't really need the extra fluff.
I use the calculator dayly, sometimes for simple calculations, sometimes for money exchange. It's a nice tool, but a dedicated money exchange thingy would be nicer. For some reason I always close the calculator the moment I'm done, to have to reopen it again five minutes later. Trivial, I know...
And since my wife and I are half the time in different time zones it's nice to be able to set up a quick clock for the city she's in without all the other distractions.
It's not that it now takes sooooo much more effort, it's that with dashboard a shitheap of trivial things are now in one place, but separate if you know what I mean, just as I set them up.
Long story short: dashboard makes stupid things simpler, that's what computers are for.
btw: I wrote this in the assumption that you're interested in the answer, if not, carry on, it's not important.
I'm completely sold, if only for the convenience of having the calculator one click away, a translator that's not in Sherlock and a separate currency convertor. If the flight schedule widget works with international flights, I'll be in widget heaven, and if the world clock is as simple as shown, man, how cool would that be?
All things already available in OS X or on the web, but imagine having the things *I* need one click away...
Nope, not heavy, actually among the lighter portables you'll find. Also without the hopeless add-ons most windows portables have. It's either integrated or for sale by a third party supplier. And in case you haven't read it already, Linus is currently using Linux on a G5, no reason why you shouldn't...
For (personal) backup purposes, I don't think you can beat a fast Firewire drive. It's portability alone makes it worth it. I have a 120GB that does its thing every afternoon...
"Television is... for forgetting that there are thousands of people somewhere in the world that want to kill you."
Geez, it's really true then, Americans are pathetically scared of everything.
Every time a US star doesn't want to go to Luxembourg or France or whatever because of fear for the Taliban, the world is laughing.
Let's say that given the state the world today is in, if your only concern is fear for your life in the most militarized police state/democracy in the world, you should consider watching TV to forget you're the laughing stock of the world.
Not an attack on the US or US citizens, but on a state of mind that's too stupid for words. Go outside your borders and find out what the rest of the world looks like. You might be pleasantly surprised and forget your ridiculous fear. Ye gods, do you see the Irish or Spanish cowering in front of their TV set?
There's a whole lot more to be scared about than ONE attack in a couple of hundred years with less than two thousand dead as a result - all horrible and sad, but gods, compare with the rest of the world and be happy, or go out and fight in Bush's proud army and make others fear you, either way, get over it.
OK, I'm starting to flame here, but instead of deleting this, I'll just risk my precious karma in the hopes that you'll get angry and after that think about this fear thing a bit more open minded.
The world is not out to Kill Americans. Not more than it's out to Kill Frenchies, Blacks, Whites, Christians, Arabs, whatevers!!!! There's always a crazy person when you don't need one.
And compared to a lot of places, the US is a haven of freedom and opportunity to make something of your life. Maybe not my favourite country, but who cares? You? Don't. Fear, my friend is a lousy companion.
OK, you're right. I don't mean to belittle Apple's approach, and I don't think the original poster did. But to many, if it's not GPL or public, it's not open "in any real way", meaning you can't use or share your code the way you're used to.
Ahem, I'm a die-hard Apple fan, but if you want to spend your time waiting for ports to OSX of your favourite linux apps, you'll be happy to know you'll spend a LOT of time.
If FOSS is really your thing, I think you better run it on Linux, whether on mac or pc hardware.
If you're happy with OS X (as I am, halelujah!), it does pay to do all that Fink, X11 and related stuff, I hear that does it for a lot of people, but the native ports are a big disappointment.
They're there, but not nearly as useable as PC ports, it seems the developers are just not there in big enough numbers to really polish a port until it's perfect, or at least adequate to serve as a real down to earth solution to a real world problem or challenge.
Some exceptions of course: Thunderbird and Firefox and I bet some other specialized apps - lots of scientific stuff, I understand.
Of course he's sure. There's a real difference between a BSD license, a GPL license and Apple's license. And Apple's mix of open and proprietary is charming and does the trick for a lot of practical people, but it's still not open in any real way as poster put it. Open enough for me, but for a lot of people these distinctions matter.
put some iPods in space, go to relativistic speeds by using the reality distortion field and make some aliens happy (or put them into another ice age...)
It's inconceivable and insulting maybe to suggest that a lot of people have trouble enough mastering one mouse-button, but that's the truth of it. I don't care about all the arguments in favour of other choices, I'm all for them, as long as they remain choices. I use a two button scroll wheel MS mouse myself, and actually liked the four button scroll thing mouse a lot more, but for my father in law - a verrrrrry intelligent individual btw - I had to go back to his standard one button Apple mouse or else his brain would explode. I know other examples.
There seem to be two schools on/. 1) good that "average" people (whatever, my father and father in law can hardly be called average and have IQ's way above...) use computers, let's accommodate them. 2) people not able to master command line should be eliminated from the gene pool. For all you people in category 2 I hope you can live without all those people your life revolves around that sadly don't think their computer is important at all... like some extremely devoted doctors I know, or even some people elemental in the making of high caffeine beverages or pizza's!!!!!!!!!!
Yes indeed, just like Sony, Philips, Renault, Toyota and most other high quality makers of commodity goods.
Marketing means finding out what people want, finding out what people need and then making it and getting it sold. Sounds simple, no? It isn't. One of the reasons is that people mostly forget about the what people need part or the getting it sold part.
And anyway, the making it part isn't simple either, since you have to combine design and engineering with marketing. Look at all the high quality unusable products out there or the good looking crap and you see what I mean.
Another thing: people confuse advertising with marketing... Good marketing deserves good advertising, but good advertising doesn't sell crappie products, at least not too many times at the same people.
For companies like Apple and Philips (one of the inventors of good marketing) saying they're primarily marketing companies is high praise indeed
The thing is, it isn't so much the money, its the money system. Supposing stealing and war isn't an option, supposing there isn't something like the stock exchange, how would we go about getting complicated metals out of Congolese mines?
We'd maybe have to resort to actually paying the beer (or whatever is deemed useful) instead of going through processes of diminished value to limited amounts of actual people while what we actually are doing is obtaining stuff of great and critical value for ourselves.
Or maybe not. Maybe I'm indeed staring at the consequence and not at the base premises that colour our world today and am simply voicing a naive version of "wouldn't it be nice if we all got along".
I loved your example as I myself have never been able to articulate it so simple yet correct, but it is a very limited model of one on one exchange. I'm very curious if economists have never seriously played with alternative models (excluding for a moment Marx and Engels).
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You have to be prepared to make offers in order to live in the land of the Free, right?
You have the best democracy (two parties invited only, paid by companies) and with over two million people in prison you're definitely going places.
Now, if a president wants to punish you for your votes and further restricts your rights, isn't that a small price to pay for liberty?
What I personally find hilarious is that so many people voted Bush for "moral" reasons. It would be even funnier if the consequences for the have not's weren't so dire.
"apples loud-mouth marketing is pathetic, 200 new features? yeah right...just like the "over 150 new features" in panther?, i could count to about 7 or 8"
;-)
I recommend you not to buy the upgrade.
But be honest, compare with other OS upgrades and you'll see what value is in the package.
For me, the whole widget thing is extremely useful. I've only just explained that yesterday, not about to do it again, but it's a very Good Thing(TM) for me and I think lots of other people. Not talking about the potential, just the widgets that are standard in Tiger.
Spotlight is another thing most computer users have been asking for. Now we get it. And it's a hell of a lot more useful than the Google thing. And maybe next year or the next we can see if Windows will be on par. You don't want it? Don't buy it.
Apart from that, this is not a trivial "update". Just like core audio was a godsend, core video is way out there.
About half of the 200 features appeal to me. That's pretty much. You sir, can't judge this, if you can only count to 8
You'll be happy to hear however that the Turd agrees with you, but sadly that doesn't say much about the credibility of your statement. So please, whatever OS you use, be honest in your assessment.
And I repeat, upgrading is a voluntary process.
It's listed...
Well, I have a slightly different opinion: I don't respect someone's opinion a priori. I think it's a fallacy to pretend otherwise. The ability of adults to believe in santa clause and to reject scientific thought to me is very frightening. Otoh I do respect people in general. That's a big difference.
"An obsolete 400mHz machine doesn't run any modern desktop apps on any OS well"
;-)
Ahem, my setup is a Cube 450Mhz, running the latest OS, and I'm looking forward to upgrading to Tiger.
Of course I *want* a faster machine, but to be honest, I don't *need* it. I do video, CAD, graphics, pictures, music, telephony and of course a lot of other things.
And no, it won't run Doom III very well. But I knew when I bought it five years ago, that it wasn't a gaming machine (although I've logged quite a few hours of Quake III).
And yes, I think Windows sucks, but I'm mature enough to recognize this is a personal preference and not a fair assessment. Although I'm fed up with maintaining Windows boxes, it becomes far too esoteric. I have to download SP's on my mac for fear of turning the machines into zombies just by connecting them freshly installed on the internet.
BTW, how much *does* Microsoft pay nowadays?
There you go, I'm in widget heaven...
The guy makes a living on pulling stuff out of his nose. He's to Apple what Maureen O'Gara is to Linux.
All good things are obvious. Powered steering IS nice, although I've happily driven a battered Renault without it.
Dashboard is like Exposé, absolutely not essential, but in reality it makes life so much easier. Are other systems so much more trouble? Yes. Can I do without? Yes. That's not the point.
For flights, I have to go to the destination airport website and hope they have decent tracking online. For translations and such I use Sherlock, not bad, but I don't really need the extra fluff.
I use the calculator dayly, sometimes for simple calculations, sometimes for money exchange. It's a nice tool, but a dedicated money exchange thingy would be nicer. For some reason I always close the calculator the moment I'm done, to have to reopen it again five minutes later. Trivial, I know...
And since my wife and I are half the time in different time zones it's nice to be able to set up a quick clock for the city she's in without all the other distractions.
It's not that it now takes sooooo much more effort, it's that with dashboard a shitheap of trivial things are now in one place, but separate if you know what I mean, just as I set them up.
Long story short: dashboard makes stupid things simpler, that's what computers are for.
btw: I wrote this in the assumption that you're interested in the answer, if not, carry on, it's not important.
I'm completely sold, if only for the convenience of having the calculator one click away, a translator that's not in Sherlock and a separate currency convertor. If the flight schedule widget works with international flights, I'll be in widget heaven, and if the world clock is as simple as shown, man, how cool would that be?
All things already available in OS X or on the web, but imagine having the things *I* need one click away...
I'm all for it.
Suppose you're a stray developer, accidentally passing /. (I know, it's farfetched, but still), wouldn't you be interested in a new developer website?
Nope, not heavy, actually among the lighter portables you'll find. Also without the hopeless add-ons most windows portables have. It's either integrated or for sale by a third party supplier. And in case you haven't read it already, Linus is currently using Linux on a G5, no reason why you shouldn't...
For (personal) backup purposes, I don't think you can beat a fast Firewire drive. It's portability alone makes it worth it. I have a 120GB that does its thing every afternoon...
"And I thought Slashdot had been posting random articles all these years... "
Nah, just the comments. The flames are genuine though.
Apart from some die-hard point release trolling, this whole page manages to be interesting, funny or enlightening.
;-)
Mod me redundant if you can
I don't know what scares me more, the image of your tiny yellow balls, or the fact that you offer them up to Ballmer as cheap lunch...
Join the Culture the moment I meet them!
"Television is ... for forgetting that there are thousands of people somewhere in the world that want to kill you."
Geez, it's really true then, Americans are pathetically scared of everything.
Every time a US star doesn't want to go to Luxembourg or France or whatever because of fear for the Taliban, the world is laughing.
Let's say that given the state the world today is in, if your only concern is fear for your life in the most militarized police state/democracy in the world, you should consider watching TV to forget you're the laughing stock of the world.
Not an attack on the US or US citizens, but on a state of mind that's too stupid for words. Go outside your borders and find out what the rest of the world looks like. You might be pleasantly surprised and forget your ridiculous fear. Ye gods, do you see the Irish or Spanish cowering in front of their TV set?
There's a whole lot more to be scared about than ONE attack in a couple of hundred years with less than two thousand dead as a result - all horrible and sad, but gods, compare with the rest of the world and be happy, or go out and fight in Bush's proud army and make others fear you, either way, get over it.
OK, I'm starting to flame here, but instead of deleting this, I'll just risk my precious karma in the hopes that you'll get angry and after that think about this fear thing a bit more open minded.
The world is not out to Kill Americans. Not more than it's out to Kill Frenchies, Blacks, Whites, Christians, Arabs, whatevers!!!! There's always a crazy person when you don't need one.
And compared to a lot of places, the US is a haven of freedom and opportunity to make something of your life. Maybe not my favourite country, but who cares? You? Don't. Fear, my friend is a lousy companion.
OK, you're right. I don't mean to belittle Apple's approach, and I don't think the original poster did. But to many, if it's not GPL or public, it's not open "in any real way", meaning you can't use or share your code the way you're used to.
Ahem, I'm a die-hard Apple fan, but if you want to spend your time waiting for ports to OSX of your favourite linux apps, you'll be happy to know you'll spend a LOT of time.
If FOSS is really your thing, I think you better run it on Linux, whether on mac or pc hardware.
If you're happy with OS X (as I am, halelujah!), it does pay to do all that Fink, X11 and related stuff, I hear that does it for a lot of people, but the native ports are a big disappointment.
They're there, but not nearly as useable as PC ports, it seems the developers are just not there in big enough numbers to really polish a port until it's perfect, or at least adequate to serve as a real down to earth solution to a real world problem or challenge.
Some exceptions of course: Thunderbird and Firefox and I bet some other specialized apps - lots of scientific stuff, I understand.
Of course he's sure. There's a real difference between a BSD license, a GPL license and Apple's license. And Apple's mix of open and proprietary is charming and does the trick for a lot of practical people, but it's still not open in any real way as poster put it. Open enough for me, but for a lot of people these distinctions matter.
put some iPods in space, go to relativistic speeds by using the reality distortion field and make some aliens happy (or put them into another ice age...)
It's inconceivable and insulting maybe to suggest that a lot of people have trouble enough mastering one mouse-button, but that's the truth of it. I don't care about all the arguments in favour of other choices, I'm all for them, as long as they remain choices. I use a two button scroll wheel MS mouse myself, and actually liked the four button scroll thing mouse a lot more, but for my father in law - a verrrrrry intelligent individual btw - I had to go back to his standard one button Apple mouse or else his brain would explode. I know other examples.
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There seem to be two schools on
1) good that "average" people (whatever, my father and father in law can hardly be called average and have IQ's way above...) use computers, let's accommodate them.
2) people not able to master command line should be eliminated from the gene pool.
For all you people in category 2 I hope you can live without all those people your life revolves around that sadly don't think their computer is important at all... like some extremely devoted doctors I know, or even some people elemental in the making of high caffeine beverages or pizza's!!!!!!!!!!
"Apple is primarily a marketing machine."
Yes indeed, just like Sony, Philips, Renault, Toyota and most other high quality makers of commodity goods.
Marketing means finding out what people want, finding out what people need and then making it and getting it sold. Sounds simple, no? It isn't. One of the reasons is that people mostly forget about the what people need part or the getting it sold part.
And anyway, the making it part isn't simple either, since you have to combine design and engineering with marketing. Look at all the high quality unusable products out there or the good looking crap and you see what I mean.
Another thing: people confuse advertising with marketing... Good marketing deserves good advertising, but good advertising doesn't sell crappie products, at least not too many times at the same people.
For companies like Apple and Philips (one of the inventors of good marketing) saying they're primarily marketing companies is high praise indeed
And if they're not careful, the sun will come up ...
The thing is, it isn't so much the money, its the money system. Supposing stealing and war isn't an option, supposing there isn't something like the stock exchange, how would we go about getting complicated metals out of Congolese mines?
We'd maybe have to resort to actually paying the beer (or whatever is deemed useful) instead of going through processes of diminished value to limited amounts of actual people while what we actually are doing is obtaining stuff of great and critical value for ourselves.
Or maybe not. Maybe I'm indeed staring at the consequence and not at the base premises that colour our world today and am simply voicing a naive version of "wouldn't it be nice if we all got along".
I loved your example as I myself have never been able to articulate it so simple yet correct, but it is a very limited model of one on one exchange. I'm very curious if economists have never seriously played with alternative models (excluding for a moment Marx and Engels).
Cheers, nice exchange.