Samsung's trump card here is the tech that allows it to work with credit card readers that don't have NFC tech (although it also works with those obviously) by using a device that works via the mag stripe reader.
They're hoping that there's going to be enough of those terminals still around to gain some traction, although they chose an odd time to release it since those types of terminals are being phased out due to the big shift in fraud liability in the US. They will be around for some time to come, however.
Other than that, it's effectively the same as Google Wallet.
They were both developing a watch at the same time. Samsung released early because they thought Apple was close to being ready, and as a result came out what that hilariously laughable Gear that was virtually unusable it also wasn't "several years" before Apple's watch hit market. Surprise surprise, by the time Apple is ready to launch Samsung has improved the Gear into a market ready product. Who knew that you actually need development time?!
Apple's first tablet was not the first tablet ever by a long shot - and they never claimed it was. You can thank Microsoft for that one, but it was the first tablet that people wanted to buy.
Oh, and what device with a stylus did Samsung release that predates the Newton? I must have forgotten that one.
Man, and people say Apple users are subject to a reality distortion field! I guess the corresponding one from the "other side" is the Hate Mist of Fact Obscurity.
I've used it to clean rust of metal. I thought it was a myth until I tried it and it work much better than I had expected. It's also a great grease remover! As for drinking it, blech - I can't understand how people can drink all this sugary shit and wonder why their health is slowly deteriorating.
It's just another negative externality from the corporate pirates raiding society of all it's value.
Well of course - it's acidic.
Other things that will clean rust off metal: freshly squeezed orange juice, vinegar, tomato ketchup.
Sodium benzoate causes cancer. They knew about it for years. When it looked like the whole story was about to break, they *silently* pull it and replace it with potassium benzoate.
Does that cause cancer? The jury's still out, but the signs aren't good.
Bottom line is, there's little doubt that KO pumped Americans full of carcinogens for decades. And the "new" alternative is highly suspect.
Sodium benzoate is not a carcinogen, either as the sodium salt or as the acid.
It is possible for the benzoate ion to react with vitamin C to form benzene (which is a carcinogen), but which is present in such low concentrations that there's really no solid science to state that "coke is a carcinogen" (since many sodas also contain vitamin C). When beverages were tested, coke changed the recipe for anything that caused a positive test over a few ppb. Of course, this is a nefarious scheme because they didn't yell about it.
I get it: big corporations don't ever do anything in the best interests of anyone but themselves and everything is a grand conspiracy.
It's not a straw man, it's the crux of the argument. My original argument centred on that.
You then asked what numbers were used to justify that and I pointed out it was metrics conduced by Apple on its customers and you then sarcastically dismissed them out of hand as untrustworthy - in other words, Apple is so untrustworthy that it can't trust its own data when making a decision about releasing an app on Android targeted at platform switchers.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to argue here? That Apple is bad? I understand that it's not enough that you just enjoy the platform that you have decided works for you but that you must bash opposing platforms as much as possible, but your arguments are not staying coherent.
Does Apple actually allow you to run an app on your own iDevice without paying the $99 fee? I thought you had to pay it even if you were developing and testing on your own iDevice, not just if you wanted to distribute it.
Yes it does.
And as of iOS9 you can side load apps onto your device without paying as long as you build from source.
Linux source code can legally be downloaded once per neighborhood and sneakernetted from one machine to another. Xcode, being proprietary software, doesn't allow this.
Where's the "-5 hilariously wrong" mod?
I think you just demonstrated that your dislike of a company is strong enough that you don't mind lying to spread FUD.
Of course Apple have a monopoly on their own products... I'm not sure how you can't see that this is obviously legal.
There's no legal problem with being the only store on a product that you sell, *especially* when Android makes up the bulk of the smartphone market.
So, "how that can even be legal" is that Apple are not a monopoly as far as smartphones are concerned, nor are they leveraging their non-monopoly position in one area to promote their business in another.
I never talked about people who switch from Android to iPhone, or questioned the value of that application. You did.
I questioned your claim, which is that "people wanted bigger phones and went to Android to get them only to come back when Apple also offered them". If your claim were true, Apple would have gained market share at the expense of Android since the release of the iPhone 6 and 6+. It didn't happen. More people chose Android over Apple than ever, despite the larger iPhones.
No, this is where the marketshare numbers fall down.
It is possible for Apple's marketshare to fall while still gaining switchers from Android *and* for Android's marketshare to rise because it's not a zero sum system. The total numbers of smartphones are still rising, with android taking the lion's share of them since they have the whole market segment to aim at and not just the premium end.
People switching back to iPhone will not necessarily increase Apple's share relative to Android if even more people buy an Android phone who didn't have a smartphone before - the figures for total phones sold year on year bear this out.
And yes, your exact quote was "Yeah, of course we should blindly trust these numbers." - numbers that specifically tell Apple (collected by themselves and other polling services) about what *they* should do.
The question purely becomes "do you trust that Apple's choice to release a migration app is a genuine use of funds and effort, or is it part of some grand conspiracy designed to make it look like people are buying iPhones" ?
There is probably more people switching from iPhone to Android. Why? Because more smartphones are being sold than ever.
So?
How does that affect the metric of "number of new iPhone users who used a non-iPhone"?
Apple has collected this data. It has talked about this data. It has shown this data during keynotes. They obviously believe that there are enough Android>iOS switchers out there to make the release of a migration app worthwhile (or at the very least, officially support the one that has been on the Play store for some time - it is effectively a licenced version with official Apple artwork and support).
It doesn't matter how many total android phones there are relative to iPhones. It doesn't matter how many people are switching away from iPhone. The piece of data that is necessary to evaluate whether a migration app is worth it is how many people are migrating to your platform.
Oh I see, so on one hand we have unsubstantiated rumours about some unspecific data that Apple supposedly collects claimed by someone on Slashdot who has a history of being a rampant Apple fanboy that will happily lie for the cause, and on the other we have actual statistics showing Apple's market share is still stubbornly sat at about 14% and not growing and Android's still sat happily at about 80%.
I'm having a hard time trying to figure out which to trust here, it's a real tough one.
Well, since you forgot to log in I can see why you'd have trouble understanding that the metric by which to judge whether to release a migration app is the number of people who have migrated to your platform from another platform, which is data you can easily collect (and has been shown during WWDC keynotes on slides), rather than the raw marketshare numbers for that rival platform, regardless of what you believe the status of the Holy Platform War to be.
Keep up, kid! It's not difficult, at least for those of average intelligence.
Apple's numbers from polling people who buy iPhones. They have been tracking this for several years and have determined that an increasing number of people buying iPhones are switching from Android.
The overall numbers of Android phones sold worldwide is irrelevant - only the proportion of iPhone users who were using something other than iOS on their previous phone.
An increasing number of people buying iPhones are switching from Android because Android is so damned ubiquitous now. If the proportion of people buying iPhones instead of any other type of phone is increasing, and the number of people upgrading from previous versions of iPhones isn't significantly smaller than with previous models, then you have something significant to report.
Saying that an increasing number of people buying iPhones are switching from Android just implies that the Android share of the market has gotten pretty damned big.
But the size of the Android market itself is not the important metric - everyone knows it is large. The issue is whether Apple thinks it is worth making a migration app - the only thing that will tell them if this is worthwhile is the figure for "what was your previous phone before this iPhone?" survey answer, which Apple knows.
The reason for that figure is immaterial - either way, Apple sells lots of iPhones and the total is seeming to rise regularly - and it wants to make the experience of owning one good for all of its customers.
It won't make it to the App Store, but you can put one on yourself now if you like since you can now side load apps onto iOS9 as long as you build them from source without paying the $99 developer fee.
Really? That's pretty cool! Does that work sort of like the way the Developer app-distribution does/did? Or what?
I'm not 100% on the details yet - it seems to have been mentioned on AnandTech during the iOS9 roundup and reviews - I'm sure someone will provide more official details soon. There was no fanfare from Apple about it, so it might ultimately turn out to be an error with Xcode. I am hoping not.
Xcode has always been free, of course, and this new development (if accurate and not misquoted) is clearly designed to encourage app development, and even if true will be limited to those with a Mac or the ability to run Xcode in a VM.
Apple's numbers from polling people who buy iPhones
Yeah, of course we should blindly trust these numbers.
Wow, the Apple Hate is strong in this one!
Who cares if you trust the numbers. Apple clearly trusts the numbers enough to write and publish an app for the Google Play store because it believes it will be worth the effort (whatever small effort it costs them to assign people to develop and test it).
I'm not sure what your point is here? Apple has said that an increasing number of iPhone buyers are coming from Android (something it mentioned after the 6 and 6+ launch, and which seems to be continuing) and so it decided to release a migration tool.
I know it's hard not to try and frame this as some sort of Holy Platform War, but there's really nothing more to it than a company that sells a product that has identified that a migration tool is worth the effort to develop.
but from the adoption numbers it's pretty clear people wanted bigger phones and went to Android to get them only to come back when Apple also offered them.
What numbers? Android still outsell iPhones by about 5:1 worldwide, and the launch of the larger iPhone didn't change much. In fact, Apple has lost market share since their peak of 2012. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Apple's numbers from polling people who buy iPhones. They have been tracking this for several years and have determined that an increasing number of people buying iPhones are switching from Android.
The overall numbers of Android phones sold worldwide is irrelevant - only the proportion of iPhone users who were using something other than iOS on their previous phone.
It's no surprise that Android phones outsell iPhones overall - Android phones cover the whole gamut from premium to basic, while iPhone is only in the premium category.
The predictably named Move to iOS will appeal to anyone who was persuaded to switch allegiances by the release of the iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus, or indeed iOS 9
I know money can be a powerful motivator, but how many people could that be, really? I feel like everyone has pretty much picked their side at this point. I'm genuinely curious... though that doesn't mean I'm not being snarky.
More than you think. Apple's own numbers are showing that there are still a lot of people switching, hence the release of the app. It will likely tail off somewhat now that the sizes of the iPhone are set - they had a lot of converts when they released the 6 and 6+ last year.
That's your opinion on why people switched away, but if you use actual facts - i.e., adoption rates of phones and polls conducted asking people why they bought the phone they did the main reason that people switched away from iOS was that they didn't offer large phones and Android manufacturers did.
When the 6 and 6+ launched the trend swung back the other way.
I'm sure there were some converts because of price, but from the adoption numbers it's pretty clear people wanted bigger phones and went to Android to get them only to come back when Apple also offered them.
It won't make it to the App Store, but you can put one on yourself now if you like since you can now side load apps onto iOS9 as long as you build them from source without paying the $99 developer fee.
It's a good move, but I know an even better one. How about "inviting" (summoning) the teacher, the principle, the police officers and their chief of police to the White House, to ask them what the fuck they were thinking. The president giving these idiots an earful semi-publicly (not in public but it'll make the news) might give other panic-mongers and closet dictators some pause. It'll be worth it even in the extremely unlikely event that the backlash from a presidential chewing-out allows a terrorist to slip through. Fear, suspicion, surveillance and oppression aren't going to stop them anyway.
That would be an overreach - which is everything the president has been accused of doing by the GOP with very little actual evidence of such. Intervening directly in a non-federal matter like this is exactly the wrong thing to do. What he has done is neatly publicly shame the school district and the cops without intervening directly in their discipline.
In normal scientific terms, yes, but the Standard Model, especially now that the Higgs has finished the puzzle, is as pretty close to "here's a map of where you'll find each particle within these ranges" as you're likely to see. The next range is also quite generally defined by the nuclear forces, and it's considerably higher than anything we can reasonably do right now (i.e., nowhere close even if we build an accelerator that circles the earth's equator.
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Samsung's trump card here is the tech that allows it to work with credit card readers that don't have NFC tech (although it also works with those obviously) by using a device that works via the mag stripe reader.
They're hoping that there's going to be enough of those terminals still around to gain some traction, although they chose an odd time to release it since those types of terminals are being phased out due to the big shift in fraud liability in the US. They will be around for some time to come, however.
Other than that, it's effectively the same as Google Wallet.
They were both developing a watch at the same time. Samsung released early because they thought Apple was close to being ready, and as a result came out what that hilariously laughable Gear that was virtually unusable it also wasn't "several years" before Apple's watch hit market. Surprise surprise, by the time Apple is ready to launch Samsung has improved the Gear into a market ready product. Who knew that you actually need development time?!
Apple's first tablet was not the first tablet ever by a long shot - and they never claimed it was. You can thank Microsoft for that one, but it was the first tablet that people wanted to buy.
Oh, and what device with a stylus did Samsung release that predates the Newton? I must have forgotten that one.
Man, and people say Apple users are subject to a reality distortion field! I guess the corresponding one from the "other side" is the Hate Mist of Fact Obscurity.
Large phone screens I think - that was arguably Samsung's big play and it paid off (people seem to love them).
Apple realised that the demand was there after those giant Galaxies started selling really well.
Your tinfoil hat is askew. Careful! The mind control microwaves might get through!
Zinc oxide is a natural compound. Plenty of it in the environment.
I've used it to clean rust of metal. I thought it was a myth until I tried it and it work much better than I had expected. It's also a great grease remover!
As for drinking it, blech - I can't understand how people can drink all this sugary shit and wonder why their health is slowly deteriorating.
It's just another negative externality from the corporate pirates raiding society of all it's value.
Well of course - it's acidic.
Other things that will clean rust off metal: freshly squeezed orange juice, vinegar, tomato ketchup.
Sodium benzoate causes cancer. They knew about it for years. When it looked like the whole story was about to break, they *silently* pull it and replace it with potassium benzoate.
Does that cause cancer? The jury's still out, but the signs aren't good.
Bottom line is, there's little doubt that KO pumped Americans full of carcinogens for decades. And the "new" alternative is highly suspect.
Sodium benzoate is not a carcinogen, either as the sodium salt or as the acid.
It is possible for the benzoate ion to react with vitamin C to form benzene (which is a carcinogen), but which is present in such low concentrations that there's really no solid science to state that "coke is a carcinogen" (since many sodas also contain vitamin C). When beverages were tested, coke changed the recipe for anything that caused a positive test over a few ppb. Of course, this is a nefarious scheme because they didn't yell about it.
I get it: big corporations don't ever do anything in the best interests of anyone but themselves and everything is a grand conspiracy.
It's not a straw man, it's the crux of the argument. My original argument centred on that.
You then asked what numbers were used to justify that and I pointed out it was metrics conduced by Apple on its customers and you then sarcastically dismissed them out of hand as untrustworthy - in other words, Apple is so untrustworthy that it can't trust its own data when making a decision about releasing an app on Android targeted at platform switchers.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to argue here? That Apple is bad? I understand that it's not enough that you just enjoy the platform that you have decided works for you but that you must bash opposing platforms as much as possible, but your arguments are not staying coherent.
Does Apple actually allow you to run an app on your own iDevice without paying the $99 fee? I thought you had to pay it even if you were developing and testing on your own iDevice, not just if you wanted to distribute it.
Yes it does.
And as of iOS9 you can side load apps onto your device without paying as long as you build from source.
Linux source code can legally be downloaded once per neighborhood and sneakernetted from one machine to another. Xcode, being proprietary software, doesn't allow this.
Where's the "-5 hilariously wrong" mod?
I think you just demonstrated that your dislike of a company is strong enough that you don't mind lying to spread FUD.
This is exactly why development tools shouldn't be paywalled. Your fault, Apple!
Today I learned that $0 is a paywall!
No wonder things are so expensive!
Of course Apple have a monopoly on their own products... I'm not sure how you can't see that this is obviously legal.
There's no legal problem with being the only store on a product that you sell, *especially* when Android makes up the bulk of the smartphone market.
So, "how that can even be legal" is that Apple are not a monopoly as far as smartphones are concerned, nor are they leveraging their non-monopoly position in one area to promote their business in another.
I never talked about people who switch from Android to iPhone, or questioned the value of that application. You did.
I questioned your claim, which is that "people wanted bigger phones and went to Android to get them only to come back when Apple also offered them". If your claim were true, Apple would have gained market share at the expense of Android since the release of the iPhone 6 and 6+. It didn't happen. More people chose Android over Apple than ever, despite the larger iPhones.
No, this is where the marketshare numbers fall down.
It is possible for Apple's marketshare to fall while still gaining switchers from Android *and* for Android's marketshare to rise because it's not a zero sum system. The total numbers of smartphones are still rising, with android taking the lion's share of them since they have the whole market segment to aim at and not just the premium end.
People switching back to iPhone will not necessarily increase Apple's share relative to Android if even more people buy an Android phone who didn't have a smartphone before - the figures for total phones sold year on year bear this out.
And yes, your exact quote was "Yeah, of course we should blindly trust these numbers." - numbers that specifically tell Apple (collected by themselves and other polling services) about what *they* should do.
The question purely becomes "do you trust that Apple's choice to release a migration app is a genuine use of funds and effort, or is it part of some grand conspiracy designed to make it look like people are buying iPhones" ?
There is probably more people switching from iPhone to Android. Why? Because more smartphones are being sold than ever.
So?
How does that affect the metric of "number of new iPhone users who used a non-iPhone"?
Apple has collected this data. It has talked about this data. It has shown this data during keynotes. They obviously believe that there are enough Android>iOS switchers out there to make the release of a migration app worthwhile (or at the very least, officially support the one that has been on the Play store for some time - it is effectively a licenced version with official Apple artwork and support).
It doesn't matter how many total android phones there are relative to iPhones. It doesn't matter how many people are switching away from iPhone. The piece of data that is necessary to evaluate whether a migration app is worth it is how many people are migrating to your platform.
Oh I see, so on one hand we have unsubstantiated rumours about some unspecific data that Apple supposedly collects claimed by someone on Slashdot who has a history of being a rampant Apple fanboy that will happily lie for the cause, and on the other we have actual statistics showing Apple's market share is still stubbornly sat at about 14% and not growing and Android's still sat happily at about 80%.
I'm having a hard time trying to figure out which to trust here, it's a real tough one.
Well, since you forgot to log in I can see why you'd have trouble understanding that the metric by which to judge whether to release a migration app is the number of people who have migrated to your platform from another platform, which is data you can easily collect (and has been shown during WWDC keynotes on slides), rather than the raw marketshare numbers for that rival platform, regardless of what you believe the status of the Holy Platform War to be.
Keep up, kid! It's not difficult, at least for those of average intelligence.
Apple's numbers from polling people who buy iPhones. They have been tracking this for several years and have determined that an increasing number of people buying iPhones are switching from Android.
The overall numbers of Android phones sold worldwide is irrelevant - only the proportion of iPhone users who were using something other than iOS on their previous phone.
An increasing number of people buying iPhones are switching from Android because Android is so damned ubiquitous now. If the proportion of people buying iPhones instead of any other type of phone is increasing, and the number of people upgrading from previous versions of iPhones isn't significantly smaller than with previous models, then you have something significant to report.
Saying that an increasing number of people buying iPhones are switching from Android just implies that the Android share of the market has gotten pretty damned big.
But the size of the Android market itself is not the important metric - everyone knows it is large. The issue is whether Apple thinks it is worth making a migration app - the only thing that will tell them if this is worthwhile is the figure for "what was your previous phone before this iPhone?" survey answer, which Apple knows.
The reason for that figure is immaterial - either way, Apple sells lots of iPhones and the total is seeming to rise regularly - and it wants to make the experience of owning one good for all of its customers.
It won't make it to the App Store, but you can put one on yourself now if you like since you can now side load apps onto iOS9 as long as you build them from source without paying the $99 developer fee.
Really? That's pretty cool! Does that work sort of like the way the Developer app-distribution does/did? Or what?
I'm not 100% on the details yet - it seems to have been mentioned on AnandTech during the iOS9 roundup and reviews - I'm sure someone will provide more official details soon. There was no fanfare from Apple about it, so it might ultimately turn out to be an error with Xcode. I am hoping not.
Xcode has always been free, of course, and this new development (if accurate and not misquoted) is clearly designed to encourage app development, and even if true will be limited to those with a Mac or the ability to run Xcode in a VM.
Apple's numbers from polling people who buy iPhones
Yeah, of course we should blindly trust these numbers.
Wow, the Apple Hate is strong in this one!
Who cares if you trust the numbers. Apple clearly trusts the numbers enough to write and publish an app for the Google Play store because it believes it will be worth the effort (whatever small effort it costs them to assign people to develop and test it).
I'm not sure what your point is here? Apple has said that an increasing number of iPhone buyers are coming from Android (something it mentioned after the 6 and 6+ launch, and which seems to be continuing) and so it decided to release a migration tool.
I know it's hard not to try and frame this as some sort of Holy Platform War, but there's really nothing more to it than a company that sells a product that has identified that a migration tool is worth the effort to develop.
but from the adoption numbers it's pretty clear people wanted bigger phones and went to Android to get them only to come back when Apple also offered them.
What numbers?
Android still outsell iPhones by about 5:1 worldwide, and the launch of the larger iPhone didn't change much. In fact, Apple has lost market share since their peak of 2012.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Apple's numbers from polling people who buy iPhones. They have been tracking this for several years and have determined that an increasing number of people buying iPhones are switching from Android.
The overall numbers of Android phones sold worldwide is irrelevant - only the proportion of iPhone users who were using something other than iOS on their previous phone.
It's no surprise that Android phones outsell iPhones overall - Android phones cover the whole gamut from premium to basic, while iPhone is only in the premium category.
The predictably named Move to iOS will appeal to anyone who was persuaded to switch allegiances by the release of the iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus, or indeed iOS 9
I know money can be a powerful motivator, but how many people could that be, really? I feel like everyone has pretty much picked their side at this point. I'm genuinely curious... though that doesn't mean I'm not being snarky.
More than you think. Apple's own numbers are showing that there are still a lot of people switching, hence the release of the app. It will likely tail off somewhat now that the sizes of the iPhone are set - they had a lot of converts when they released the 6 and 6+ last year.
That's your opinion on why people switched away, but if you use actual facts - i.e., adoption rates of phones and polls conducted asking people why they bought the phone they did the main reason that people switched away from iOS was that they didn't offer large phones and Android manufacturers did.
When the 6 and 6+ launched the trend swung back the other way.
I'm sure there were some converts because of price, but from the adoption numbers it's pretty clear people wanted bigger phones and went to Android to get them only to come back when Apple also offered them.
It won't make it to the App Store, but you can put one on yourself now if you like since you can now side load apps onto iOS9 as long as you build them from source without paying the $99 developer fee.
It's a good move, but I know an even better one. How about "inviting" (summoning) the teacher, the principle, the police officers and their chief of police to the White House, to ask them what the fuck they were thinking. The president giving these idiots an earful semi-publicly (not in public but it'll make the news) might give other panic-mongers and closet dictators some pause. It'll be worth it even in the extremely unlikely event that the backlash from a presidential chewing-out allows a terrorist to slip through. Fear, suspicion, surveillance and oppression aren't going to stop them anyway.
That would be an overreach - which is everything the president has been accused of doing by the GOP with very little actual evidence of such. Intervening directly in a non-federal matter like this is exactly the wrong thing to do. What he has done is neatly publicly shame the school district and the cops without intervening directly in their discipline.
In normal scientific terms, yes, but the Standard Model, especially now that the Higgs has finished the puzzle, is as pretty close to "here's a map of where you'll find each particle within these ranges" as you're likely to see. The next range is also quite generally defined by the nuclear forces, and it's considerably higher than anything we can reasonably do right now (i.e., nowhere close even if we build an accelerator that circles the earth's equator.
The title is obvious nonsense, but the "reasonable assumption" is the Standard Model.