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Like others have said, Apple has an absurd amount of liquid capital sitting around. The could easily but EA with the money they have in the coffee machine.
If there's one thing that is certain, Apple could not sell another machine for the duration of the economic crisis and just sit in limbo until it wears off and come out the other side still with enormous wheelbarrows of cash.
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[quote]As for point #1, replacing your DRM-laden songs. Now that is typical Apple - typical American corporate beast. They didn't even offer the option, trade up to DRM free (with higher sampling bitrate) for 30 cents. I or anyone could argue the problems with ensuring the old copy was gone, etc, etc, and how poor Apple would have pay again for the license because that's how the music guys would look at it.[/quote]
Did you miss the GIANT BANNER offering this exact service, to upgrade all your old DRM songs to new, non-DRM format for 20p each on the iTunes store on the very same day the DRM free songs were announced?
No lying there. OS X 10.0 was dog slow, but mostly because of the change in the way the UI was drawn - it took them time to get Quartz properly under control and optimised.
Although, saying that, the Finder is a still a pain in 10.5.
Ok. just so I totally understand you here.... black people are allowed to have civil rights, but gay people are not?
What about a gay black man?
What about a gay black woman? Is she allowed to vote because she's a woman? Can she sit at the front of the bus because she's black? Can she get married because she loves another woman?
Can she sit at the bedside of that woman when she's dying of cancer because they've been living together for 20 years?
You cannot pick and choose what rights are applied to individuals (assuming that they are not doing anything illegal that causes their rights to be curtailed [like being sent to prison etc]).
This is totally a human rights issue, and you are clearly on the side of the argument that paints gay people as sub-human citizens (ie, the same way that black people and women were treated before they got the vote and before slavery was abolished - although ask many black people and women now, the struggle is not quite over).
Gay people are equal to every other type of person. It's that simple.
Because the water isn't deep enough to hide a fully submerged sub close to the shore that could surface inside a special base or structure.
It's not James Bond - secret lairs with perfect terrain for your plans are not easy to come by.
It's no secret that the base is the home base for the nuclear deterrent, and it is no surprise that subs will occasionally be berthed there. The real secrets about the subs is not where they make their home, but when they are in the oceans when they're not in Scotland.
Well, if they want the 4 cores and the expandability, then there's the Mac Pro. There's no "lack of options", just because they're sold at a price point you don't like.
Apple's take on the issue would be that if there *really* was a market for them in the build-your-own sector, then they'd be offering something to fit it. As it stands, I think they know they cannot compete in the market segment of people who build their own hardware, or the home user who upgrades more than just their HD and RAM instead of buying a new machine.
It's not a bad thing, necessarily, unless enough of the hone builders want to use an officially sanctioned OS X box instead of Windows or Linux. Right now, I don;t think there are enough of them though, and Apple knows this. It's more profitable for them to offer the iMac as that box (even with the lack of upgrades) since it slims down their production stream (fewer models) and it drives the pros, who generally spend a lot on hardware anyway, to start at the Mac Pro as the entry level machine if they really need OS X (like an FCP shop, or a Shake farm, or a design shop that prefers Macs).
So what you're saying is it's not the same and he deliberately chose the cheaper consumer-grade CPUs (whether the Xeons are worth the extra cash or not) to accentuate the price difference...
The Prayda handbag I bought at the market is totally identical to the real one!
The point is the original poster way up top there *could* have used identical Xeon processors in the comparison, but chose not to. It's not like he had to go for a "closest match" comparison like the days of old when Macs were still PPC.
Your call quality over Wifi is not dependent on how weak the signal is - either you have a usable wifi signal or you don't. It's not like a snowy picture on a TV set or an analogue telephone.
And my gas hob at home is better at cooking food than the camping stove I have.
Shame I actually have to be connected to a mains gas supply to use the home cooker, yet I can go anywhere I can buy gas bottles with my camping stove....
I assume your psp with skype requires a wifi connection to use. I find it hard to believe you're using it over GPRS/3G with better call quality than standard celluar calls. If this is the case, return your iPhone for a non-defective model - it's broken somehow.
If you're comparing the VoIP call quality over wifi with cellular, then no shit it's better. What did you expect?
So wait, the OS 9 > OS X switch is discounted in this 20 year history but the Win 3.1 to Win 95 one is in as "innovative changes"? Like I said - if one is allowed, so must the other be.
The single file menu is the Mac way of doing things. It doesn't hamper multitasking, since only the active application shows the menu bar at the top - if you click on another application during your multitasking, the bar changes to that app. You cannot physically click in two places at once with your mouse, so having the menu bars attached to the windows serves no real purpose. The Mac UI states that the menu is always at the top. No one else "mimics" this because all the Linux UIs tend to mimic the Windows way of doing it. One is not better than the other, it's just whatever method you get used to, or prefer.
If you're going to argue that the fact that the single file menu is a reason that Mac "hasn't innovated" then I am going to say that the fact that Windows has had separate window-based file menus all the time as a reason that they "haven't innovated". Neither OS has changed their UI in that respect. You can't have it both ways.
And if you don't believe that the Dock is anything more than eye candy, then you really are wilfully disregarding its function. It is far more than just eye candy, and the Dock itself has also gone through some UI changes over the years - most recently with the pop out stacks and grid listings in 10.5. Like them or loathe them, they are new and weren't there in 10.0.
Your belief that the Mac is only a toy is also showing ignorance of the Mac as a tool. I don;t doubt that a Windows box is a useful tool (hey, they sell a lot of them and they are everywhere) but the Mac is far more than just a pretty box. People do actually buy them to do useful tasks beyond "web and email" and that you think that's all they're god for is just showing up your ignorance.
Such as it is, Steve Jobs has never conned me into buying a new computer. I am still using all the Macs I have ever bought, none of them bought because they couldn't run the latest Mac OS (like the whole Vista debacle). I bought new machines because I wanted them, not because my powerbook couldn't run 10.5.
Is it only a price issue though? The wiki article on netbooks pretty much describes the Macbook Air as being on the larger end of the netbook scale in everything but price (and even then the description is "often significantly cheaper" rather than it being a firm requirement.
I will be the first to admit that the Air is ludicrously expensive though, especially if you're looking for netbook functionality. If they sold it for $500, would it count?:)
So, let's say a gay (black) person enters a room with their partner, and gets verbally harassed by other people in the room for being gay (black), so they should "just shut up about it and not provoke them".
I'm sorry, but when it comes to basic human rights issues, there has to be a line drawn.
Being gay should not be an attribute you need to hide about yourself just because 1 in 100 people would pick a fight with you for.
Would you say that to a black person who was being verbally assaulted (or worse) by a bunch of inbred, racist bigots who like to dress in white hoods at the weekend?
You are correct, I confused you with the GP poster since I was referencing that post, my bad.
I did not read it that way at all - the fact that he claimed that some Mac users were sophisticated is not an exclusive statement that requires any non-mac-user to be unsophisticated.
Wow. You obviously haven't used a Mac since computers used punch cards!
To claim that the Apple UI is the same as it was since the first implementation of OS X and hasn't changed in all that time and that Linux and MS in the same time period have done all the heavy lifting and innovation in the GUI space is just.... wilfully ignorant.
Also, the thinly disguised comment that Macs can't really do anything and are just overpriced toys is just silly.
So, what "new things" have MS and Linux tried on the desktop in the "20 year" gap where the OS X interface has stood still, frozen in time? Aero? Widgets? Animated windows? Context sensitive, status based icons? New shiny colours?
If OS X since version 10.0 hasn't changed, then by that standard, neither has any other operating system.
Why isn't the Macbook Air a netbook? I'm curious why you think it doesn't meet that criterion (I'm not arguing that it is, but my initial impression would be that it fills that niche).
Well, the poster may not have data, but Apple certainly does. Even a cursory glance at Apple's latest (and last) keynote will show you the section on their market data that shows Macs are flying off the shelves at accelerated rates. They are selling more macs (faster than their competitors) and their market share is increasing steadily.
Now, this is either their current non-growing base just buying Macs at an ever-increasing rate, or more likely to be just plain old "more people buying".
There's no hiding from the figures. They'll never be the 800 pound gorilla, but that's not the goal or the business model Apple is using.
No, you are putting words into his mouth. He didn't make the claim that you weren't sophisticated, he said specifically that many Mac users are, to refute your point that they were all conned into making a silly purchase.
It's most definitely not the same thing, nor did he imply it was the case. There's no hypocrisy in it at all.
I don't know if I'm a decent typist, but I love the new tiny bluetooth KB. I only replaced my old white keyboard because I wanted something smaller for my desk, but I liked that one too. No doubt that both are totally different to PC keyboard and require serious adjustment by the user.
I look at keyboards and mice like your car - they're the direct physical connection between you and your computer in the same way the steering wheel, pedals, stick and seat are in your car. Switching between different brands can be off-putting until you get used to them.
Indeed. Say what you will about the Redmond giant, but I'm using a Microsoft mouse on my iMac as we speak and it was a deliberate purchase, not a hand-me-down second hand mouse from another machine.
I'm running Ubuntu as a hobby project (just getting a feel for what it can do, but it's not my main machine) on a 15" G4 powerbook, and it works very well.
There are specific PPC builds of Ubuntu that aren't immediately apparent from the main page, but you can get to them easily enough.
The Intel build for Mac is barely different from the regular x86 version.
I'm liking the beta so far, but I do not like the tabs in the title bar, mainly because I use that bar to grab focus or to move the whole window around, and while you can drag it around from anywhere on the bar without it changing tabs, it just doesn't sit right with me.
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Like others have said, Apple has an absurd amount of liquid capital sitting around. The could easily but EA with the money they have in the coffee machine.
If there's one thing that is certain, Apple could not sell another machine for the duration of the economic crisis and just sit in limbo until it wears off and come out the other side still with enormous wheelbarrows of cash.
[quote]As for point #1, replacing your DRM-laden songs. Now that is typical Apple - typical American corporate beast. They didn't even offer the option, trade up to DRM free (with higher sampling bitrate) for 30 cents. I or anyone could argue the problems with ensuring the old copy was gone, etc, etc, and how poor Apple would have pay again for the license because that's how the music guys would look at it.[/quote]
Did you miss the GIANT BANNER offering this exact service, to upgrade all your old DRM songs to new, non-DRM format for 20p each on the iTunes store on the very same day the DRM free songs were announced?
I play casually, I am swimming in gold. Gold at 80 is like air. It's hard *not* to make a fortune really quickly.
No lying there. OS X 10.0 was dog slow, but mostly because of the change in the way the UI was drawn - it took them time to get Quartz properly under control and optimised.
Although, saying that, the Finder is a still a pain in 10.5.
Fingers crossed for an improvement in 10.6.
Ok. just so I totally understand you here.... black people are allowed to have civil rights, but gay people are not?
What about a gay black man?
What about a gay black woman? Is she allowed to vote because she's a woman? Can she sit at the front of the bus because she's black? Can she get married because she loves another woman?
Can she sit at the bedside of that woman when she's dying of cancer because they've been living together for 20 years?
You cannot pick and choose what rights are applied to individuals (assuming that they are not doing anything illegal that causes their rights to be curtailed [like being sent to prison etc]).
This is totally a human rights issue, and you are clearly on the side of the argument that paints gay people as sub-human citizens (ie, the same way that black people and women were treated before they got the vote and before slavery was abolished - although ask many black people and women now, the struggle is not quite over).
Gay people are equal to every other type of person. It's that simple.
Because the water isn't deep enough to hide a fully submerged sub close to the shore that could surface inside a special base or structure.
It's not James Bond - secret lairs with perfect terrain for your plans are not easy to come by.
It's no secret that the base is the home base for the nuclear deterrent, and it is no surprise that subs will occasionally be berthed there. The real secrets about the subs is not where they make their home, but when they are in the oceans when they're not in Scotland.
Well, if they want the 4 cores and the expandability, then there's the Mac Pro. There's no "lack of options", just because they're sold at a price point you don't like.
Apple's take on the issue would be that if there *really* was a market for them in the build-your-own sector, then they'd be offering something to fit it. As it stands, I think they know they cannot compete in the market segment of people who build their own hardware, or the home user who upgrades more than just their HD and RAM instead of buying a new machine.
It's not a bad thing, necessarily, unless enough of the hone builders want to use an officially sanctioned OS X box instead of Windows or Linux. Right now, I don;t think there are enough of them though, and Apple knows this. It's more profitable for them to offer the iMac as that box (even with the lack of upgrades) since it slims down their production stream (fewer models) and it drives the pros, who generally spend a lot on hardware anyway, to start at the Mac Pro as the entry level machine if they really need OS X (like an FCP shop, or a Shake farm, or a design shop that prefers Macs).
So what you're saying is it's not the same and he deliberately chose the cheaper consumer-grade CPUs (whether the Xeons are worth the extra cash or not) to accentuate the price difference...
The Prayda handbag I bought at the market is totally identical to the real one!
The point is the original poster way up top there *could* have used identical Xeon processors in the comparison, but chose not to. It's not like he had to go for a "closest match" comparison like the days of old when Macs were still PPC.
Your call quality over Wifi is not dependent on how weak the signal is - either you have a usable wifi signal or you don't. It's not like a snowy picture on a TV set or an analogue telephone.
Does it still have leaf spring suspension? As current in the 1800's on all those horse and carriages?
And my gas hob at home is better at cooking food than the camping stove I have.
Shame I actually have to be connected to a mains gas supply to use the home cooker, yet I can go anywhere I can buy gas bottles with my camping stove....
I assume your psp with skype requires a wifi connection to use. I find it hard to believe you're using it over GPRS/3G with better call quality than standard celluar calls. If this is the case, return your iPhone for a non-defective model - it's broken somehow.
If you're comparing the VoIP call quality over wifi with cellular, then no shit it's better. What did you expect?
So wait, the OS 9 > OS X switch is discounted in this 20 year history but the Win 3.1 to Win 95 one is in as "innovative changes"? Like I said - if one is allowed, so must the other be.
The single file menu is the Mac way of doing things. It doesn't hamper multitasking, since only the active application shows the menu bar at the top - if you click on another application during your multitasking, the bar changes to that app. You cannot physically click in two places at once with your mouse, so having the menu bars attached to the windows serves no real purpose. The Mac UI states that the menu is always at the top. No one else "mimics" this because all the Linux UIs tend to mimic the Windows way of doing it. One is not better than the other, it's just whatever method you get used to, or prefer.
If you're going to argue that the fact that the single file menu is a reason that Mac "hasn't innovated" then I am going to say that the fact that Windows has had separate window-based file menus all the time as a reason that they "haven't innovated". Neither OS has changed their UI in that respect. You can't have it both ways.
And if you don't believe that the Dock is anything more than eye candy, then you really are wilfully disregarding its function. It is far more than just eye candy, and the Dock itself has also gone through some UI changes over the years - most recently with the pop out stacks and grid listings in 10.5. Like them or loathe them, they are new and weren't there in 10.0.
Your belief that the Mac is only a toy is also showing ignorance of the Mac as a tool. I don;t doubt that a Windows box is a useful tool (hey, they sell a lot of them and they are everywhere) but the Mac is far more than just a pretty box. People do actually buy them to do useful tasks beyond "web and email" and that you think that's all they're god for is just showing up your ignorance.
Such as it is, Steve Jobs has never conned me into buying a new computer. I am still using all the Macs I have ever bought, none of them bought because they couldn't run the latest Mac OS (like the whole Vista debacle). I bought new machines because I wanted them, not because my powerbook couldn't run 10.5.
Is it only a price issue though? The wiki article on netbooks pretty much describes the Macbook Air as being on the larger end of the netbook scale in everything but price (and even then the description is "often significantly cheaper" rather than it being a firm requirement.
I will be the first to admit that the Air is ludicrously expensive though, especially if you're looking for netbook functionality. If they sold it for $500, would it count? :)
So, let's say a gay (black) person enters a room with their partner, and gets verbally harassed by other people in the room for being gay (black), so they should "just shut up about it and not provoke them".
I'm sorry, but when it comes to basic human rights issues, there has to be a line drawn.
Being gay should not be an attribute you need to hide about yourself just because 1 in 100 people would pick a fight with you for.
Would you say that to a black person who was being verbally assaulted (or worse) by a bunch of inbred, racist bigots who like to dress in white hoods at the weekend?
You are correct, I confused you with the GP poster since I was referencing that post, my bad.
I did not read it that way at all - the fact that he claimed that some Mac users were sophisticated is not an exclusive statement that requires any non-mac-user to be unsophisticated.
Wow. You obviously haven't used a Mac since computers used punch cards!
To claim that the Apple UI is the same as it was since the first implementation of OS X and hasn't changed in all that time and that Linux and MS in the same time period have done all the heavy lifting and innovation in the GUI space is just.... wilfully ignorant.
Also, the thinly disguised comment that Macs can't really do anything and are just overpriced toys is just silly.
So, what "new things" have MS and Linux tried on the desktop in the "20 year" gap where the OS X interface has stood still, frozen in time? Aero? Widgets? Animated windows? Context sensitive, status based icons? New shiny colours?
If OS X since version 10.0 hasn't changed, then by that standard, neither has any other operating system.
Why isn't the Macbook Air a netbook? I'm curious why you think it doesn't meet that criterion (I'm not arguing that it is, but my initial impression would be that it fills that niche).
Well, the poster may not have data, but Apple certainly does. Even a cursory glance at Apple's latest (and last) keynote will show you the section on their market data that shows Macs are flying off the shelves at accelerated rates. They are selling more macs (faster than their competitors) and their market share is increasing steadily.
Now, this is either their current non-growing base just buying Macs at an ever-increasing rate, or more likely to be just plain old "more people buying".
There's no hiding from the figures. They'll never be the 800 pound gorilla, but that's not the goal or the business model Apple is using.
No, you are putting words into his mouth. He didn't make the claim that you weren't sophisticated, he said specifically that many Mac users are, to refute your point that they were all conned into making a silly purchase.
It's most definitely not the same thing, nor did he imply it was the case. There's no hypocrisy in it at all.
Yup, you just proved you don't actually know what DRM means.
I don't know if I'm a decent typist, but I love the new tiny bluetooth KB. I only replaced my old white keyboard because I wanted something smaller for my desk, but I liked that one too. No doubt that both are totally different to PC keyboard and require serious adjustment by the user.
I look at keyboards and mice like your car - they're the direct physical connection between you and your computer in the same way the steering wheel, pedals, stick and seat are in your car. Switching between different brands can be off-putting until you get used to them.
Indeed. Say what you will about the Redmond giant, but I'm using a Microsoft mouse on my iMac as we speak and it was a deliberate purchase, not a hand-me-down second hand mouse from another machine.
The question is really "why wouldn't you?".
I installed a PPC build of Ubuntu onto my 15" Powerbook rather than upgrading it to 10.5.
No sense throwing out old hardware if you can repurpose it.
I'm running Ubuntu as a hobby project (just getting a feel for what it can do, but it's not my main machine) on a 15" G4 powerbook, and it works very well.
There are specific PPC builds of Ubuntu that aren't immediately apparent from the main page, but you can get to them easily enough.
The Intel build for Mac is barely different from the regular x86 version.
Sweet. Exactly what I needed.
I'm liking the beta so far, but I do not like the tabs in the title bar, mainly because I use that bar to grab focus or to move the whole window around, and while you can drag it around from anywhere on the bar without it changing tabs, it just doesn't sit right with me.