Scrolling this very page in Safari 4 on my iMac is *fast*. It feels about the same speed as Safari 3, but it's by no means slow (not as slow as scrolling this page in Firefox on Ubuntu, for example).
It's probably not faster than Safari 3 at scrolling, but it's smooth and silky like it always was.
I do not like the tabs up in the title bar though - I wish they were back where they always were. Hopefully that will become an option though.
And from a Windows standpoint - what is a "Windows look and feel" - pretty much every app I've ever seen on Windows is totally different UI-wise to everything else.
What hattig said below me. Safari is excellent on OS X, but the UI on Windows just feels a bit clunky and forced, like iTunes for Windows. I know why they look the same, but they might have been better designing them slightly differently.
Webkit is first class though, and is preferable for me over Gecko and FF3 (although I use both FF and Safari on OS X and like them both).
Call us back when IE even attempts to be standards compliant.
Also, you forget Apple's track history - it used to bundle IE (yes, IE) with Mac OS X before it launched Safari.
It may only ship OS X with Safari now, but it's not always been the case, nor is bundling Safari with deliberately cripped standards compliance and deliberately broken javascript holding back the web for the rest of us who aren't in the bronze age of computing any more.
The connector on the bottom of the iPhone is the iPod dock connector, and while it is proprietary, it is standard across all iPods (the iPhone is just an iPod Touch with a cellphone bit built in) and makes use of the line-level audio out when you dock it with a set of speakers with an iPod dock, or connect it to the dock connector in your in-car system. The iPod photo has the ability to send video out to a TV screen for photo slideshows. I haven't tested this with my iPhone, but the connector is the same and the photo viewing software is much the same.
The 2nd and 3rd gen iPods had firewire chips in them and the dock connector worked over firewire 400 as well as USB, and while the later iPods removed the FW chip, you could still charge them using a firewire port over the dock connector (it just wouldn't mount as a disc on the computer). Again, I'm not sure if this feature remains in the iPhone, but the connector has the pins for it. I'd test it out, but my firewire-port-ipod-wall -wart is in storage somewhere. The firewire port can supply between 18 to 30 volts at 1 amp I believe, far more than USB.
While the proprietary connector could be a pain if you're trying to standardise all your power connectors, it is consistent across all the models (except the first gen with a 6 pin FW connector) and provides all the necessary features that the iPhone contains.
I like the fact that I can dock and charge my iPhone and my iPod from the same cable that never leaves my computer, so I have the iPhone's wall wart and cable in my travel pack for when I need it.
All of the devices designed for the iPod will also work with the iPhone because the port is the same. I think we'd see an even bigger outcry if the iPhone's port was different again from all the other iPods (there was a big enough cry that the headphone port was recessed and they fixed that in the 3G model, much to my approval).
I googled MXM and found that it's not the universal connector/adapter that it was designed to be, hence my initial "good luck" since while I'm sure there are options, you're going to be limited.
The other thing I want in a laptop is portability. If the HP we're talking about that matches the MBP (not talking about the MB here) and is $1000 less, how much more does it weigh? If it can be run over by a car, then I assume it's a brick. Although I've seen the photos of Powerboks that were baked in an oven, and while the keys and screen were fucked, it booted up just fine.
I'm not doubting that PC laptops are cheaper (they're a pile of junk in most cases, with some notable exceptions) but the claim that double the features were present was patently false, hence the thread.
Do you not know my posting history? I'm a pretty big Mac fanboy myself. Own 7 of them, bought new OS X releases at retail price, own a iPhone, 2 iPods, apple wireless igloo...
Speed. You can cover a lot of ground without expending energy over the course of your long shift in the huge terminal you're patrolling, and when you step off it you're not "tired out" from getting to where you're needed.
(assuming the cop in question actually does maintain a fitness regime commensurate with a job where being grossly unfit would be a severe hindrance - I know some cops who do, and some who don't - in the former case, the Segway is just a tool for the job, in the latter case, it is a crutch to overcome being breathless right before an arrest.)
Oh damn, is that me perpetuating the cycle that Apple users just "work around" the perfection-in-design laid out by Steve?
(Although to be truly accurate, I dislike phones with hinges or sliding doors, so I like the form factor of the iPhone a lot, but I can see how people would like to have a way to open it out when in use to keep the screen protected).
Good luck finding an upgrade for that daughter board from anyone other than HP.
Firewire is standard on all Macs *except* the latest Macbooks. All Macs have a DVI output port, that can be used as an S video/composite/15 pin D-sub VGS, HDMI port with the correct adapter (some have full size DVI ports, some have smaller ports, newer models have the mini port). No remote as standard with Mac laptops, but only with the desktops, analog/digital (spdif) connectors on all Macs (including the new Macbook), expansion port on Macbook pro for eSATA. No dual HD bay on the laptops though - I guess that's the price you pay for it being all bundled up in a 1" thick package.
So, your "double the features" consist of the dual HD bays and the ability to upgrade your graphics card with a new card supplied only by HP. Oh, and I guess the remote control, although you can get one of those for the Apple if you want - its just not standard on the laptops.
All that, on the base Macbook Pro, is exactly $1999, not $2500. If you paid under $1000 for your premium HP laptop then fair play to you, but I am a little sceptical, unless it's made of duct tape (all the ones I have seen on the web which say they're light look a bit plasticy and bulky to me, but I am aware not everyone wants an all-metal sleek box). Whether it's worth the extra thousand bucks (if that is the true price difference) is down to the people who buy them, and in my case, even if the price is shown to be $1000 different, I am going for the Apple every time. Personal choice though:)
And sure, you can boot OS X with an extra bootstick, but at the moment, not legitimately, as far as Apple is concerned, and even if you don't care about that (legality of EULAs aside), it adds $40 to the price of your laptop.
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Scrolling this very page in Safari 4 on my iMac is *fast*. It feels about the same speed as Safari 3, but it's by no means slow (not as slow as scrolling this page in Firefox on Ubuntu, for example).
It's probably not faster than Safari 3 at scrolling, but it's smooth and silky like it always was.
I do not like the tabs up in the title bar though - I wish they were back where they always were. Hopefully that will become an option though.
And from a Windows standpoint - what is a "Windows look and feel" - pretty much every app I've ever seen on Windows is totally different UI-wise to everything else.
How did this get +4 informative?
It's -5 wrong. Altivec in the pentium 2 era? What the fuck are you smoking?
The FUD is strong in this one.
Click the "Uninstall Safari 4 Beta" in the disk image you used to install Safari 4.
I know you saw it, it's right there next to the install package.
I don't even use Linux full time (have a hobby Ubuntu box) and even I know about Midori.
Please hand in your trolling card at the front desk, you're fired from Trolls R Us.
Mod this up. SafariBlock is superb, and it even works neatly with this new beta version 4.
What hattig said below me. Safari is excellent on OS X, but the UI on Windows just feels a bit clunky and forced, like iTunes for Windows. I know why they look the same, but they might have been better designing them slightly differently.
Webkit is first class though, and is preferable for me over Gecko and FF3 (although I use both FF and Safari on OS X and like them both).
Call us back when IE even attempts to be standards compliant.
Also, you forget Apple's track history - it used to bundle IE (yes, IE) with Mac OS X before it launched Safari.
It may only ship OS X with Safari now, but it's not always been the case, nor is bundling Safari with deliberately cripped standards compliance and deliberately broken javascript holding back the web for the rest of us who aren't in the bronze age of computing any more.
They can just ask the Mac Business Unit to hold off on working on MS Office for Mac for a little bit while they borrow one of the Macs they work on.
MS already has a huge number of Macs in Redmond. There's no need to "shell out" anything - they already had a large installed Mac base for Office.
And what about the iPhone development platform doesn't allow you to do that now?
MS can go and register for a free Apple Developer account and get busy making apps for the iPhone. They can even sell them on the app store.
That's what everyone said about the iPod.
That "doesn't seem to be lasting" either eh?
Well, that *is* what the lawyer asked for, if you read the post.
He was just doing what was asked of him.
I bought several. Including a JB-940 deck that I still use to this day.
I fear minidiscs are going the way of polaroids though, but for the pro industry keeping them alive in broadcast radio etc.
My iPhone charges from my 3rd Gen 15GB iPod's cable, that's been connected to my machine since I bought it.
Backwards compatibility. You keep using this word and I don;t think it means what you think it means.
No, indeed. But then you need to have a USB host controller. The iPod's control system is not done via USB.
The connector on the bottom of the iPhone is the iPod dock connector, and while it is proprietary, it is standard across all iPods (the iPhone is just an iPod Touch with a cellphone bit built in) and makes use of the line-level audio out when you dock it with a set of speakers with an iPod dock, or connect it to the dock connector in your in-car system. The iPod photo has the ability to send video out to a TV screen for photo slideshows. I haven't tested this with my iPhone, but the connector is the same and the photo viewing software is much the same.
The 2nd and 3rd gen iPods had firewire chips in them and the dock connector worked over firewire 400 as well as USB, and while the later iPods removed the FW chip, you could still charge them using a firewire port over the dock connector (it just wouldn't mount as a disc on the computer). Again, I'm not sure if this feature remains in the iPhone, but the connector has the pins for it. I'd test it out, but my firewire-port-ipod-wall -wart is in storage somewhere. The firewire port can supply between 18 to 30 volts at 1 amp I believe, far more than USB.
While the proprietary connector could be a pain if you're trying to standardise all your power connectors, it is consistent across all the models (except the first gen with a 6 pin FW connector) and provides all the necessary features that the iPhone contains.
I like the fact that I can dock and charge my iPhone and my iPod from the same cable that never leaves my computer, so I have the iPhone's wall wart and cable in my travel pack for when I need it.
All of the devices designed for the iPod will also work with the iPhone because the port is the same. I think we'd see an even bigger outcry if the iPhone's port was different again from all the other iPods (there was a big enough cry that the headphone port was recessed and they fixed that in the 3G model, much to my approval).
In the UK they certainly care, most likely because of the huge tax on it, although you can convert and run your car on used vegetable oil.
There are other cell phones/smartphones/computer operating systems.
If you make your own gasoline, the government will get pissed off, and at the very least stop you from doing that.
The government doesn't care if you use an iPhone or a different phone.
I googled MXM and found that it's not the universal connector/adapter that it was designed to be, hence my initial "good luck" since while I'm sure there are options, you're going to be limited.
The other thing I want in a laptop is portability. If the HP we're talking about that matches the MBP (not talking about the MB here) and is $1000 less, how much more does it weigh? If it can be run over by a car, then I assume it's a brick. Although I've seen the photos of Powerboks that were baked in an oven, and while the keys and screen were fucked, it booted up just fine.
I'm not doubting that PC laptops are cheaper (they're a pile of junk in most cases, with some notable exceptions) but the claim that double the features were present was patently false, hence the thread.
Do you not know my posting history? I'm a pretty big Mac fanboy myself. Own 7 of them, bought new OS X releases at retail price, own a iPhone, 2 iPods, apple wireless igloo...
Sometimes you just have to joke, eh?
I tried to move quickly at Heathrow, but there were all these stupid NIMBY protesters in my way, slowing things down.
Yes, Boris, I'd love to build an airport in the Thames estuary, I'd also like a gold plated toilet seat, but it's just not on the cards now, is it?
Speed. You can cover a lot of ground without expending energy over the course of your long shift in the huge terminal you're patrolling, and when you step off it you're not "tired out" from getting to where you're needed.
(assuming the cop in question actually does maintain a fitness regime commensurate with a job where being grossly unfit would be a severe hindrance - I know some cops who do, and some who don't - in the former case, the Segway is just a tool for the job, in the latter case, it is a crutch to overcome being breathless right before an arrest.)
That's why I have mine in an easy-access case.
Oh damn, is that me perpetuating the cycle that Apple users just "work around" the perfection-in-design laid out by Steve?
(Although to be truly accurate, I dislike phones with hinges or sliding doors, so I like the form factor of the iPhone a lot, but I can see how people would like to have a way to open it out when in use to keep the screen protected).
You forgot the last con:
-for every Mac you buy, Steve Ballmer deflowers 4 virgins (with the same chair, simultaneously).
Or he has an eye on his tongue.
Good luck finding an upgrade for that daughter board from anyone other than HP.
Firewire is standard on all Macs *except* the latest Macbooks. All Macs have a DVI output port, that can be used as an S video/composite/15 pin D-sub VGS, HDMI port with the correct adapter (some have full size DVI ports, some have smaller ports, newer models have the mini port). No remote as standard with Mac laptops, but only with the desktops, analog/digital (spdif) connectors on all Macs (including the new Macbook), expansion port on Macbook pro for eSATA. No dual HD bay on the laptops though - I guess that's the price you pay for it being all bundled up in a 1" thick package.
So, your "double the features" consist of the dual HD bays and the ability to upgrade your graphics card with a new card supplied only by HP. Oh, and I guess the remote control, although you can get one of those for the Apple if you want - its just not standard on the laptops.
All that, on the base Macbook Pro, is exactly $1999, not $2500. If you paid under $1000 for your premium HP laptop then fair play to you, but I am a little sceptical, unless it's made of duct tape (all the ones I have seen on the web which say they're light look a bit plasticy and bulky to me, but I am aware not everyone wants an all-metal sleek box). Whether it's worth the extra thousand bucks (if that is the true price difference) is down to the people who buy them, and in my case, even if the price is shown to be $1000 different, I am going for the Apple every time. Personal choice though :)
And sure, you can boot OS X with an extra bootstick, but at the moment, not legitimately, as far as Apple is concerned, and even if you don't care about that (legality of EULAs aside), it adds $40 to the price of your laptop.