I'm only half ass following this SCO stuff but I'm pretty sure that the SCO vs Autozone thing has nothing to do with SCO vs IBM/LINUX thing. Someone will be along shortly to correct me if I'm wrong I'm sure:P
What's to stop someone from creating a non-profit hobby app using this product then using sharpdevelop, mono, pnet or even microsoft's (free) command line compiler to make the commercial version? I've never read the EULA so I don't know the answer.
Isn't kinda how gcc came about. Or maybe that was a different compiler? If memory serves the compiler used to compile gcc for the first time would not allow it to be redistributed but then they used the fresh gcc compilation to compile itself and thus the restriction was gone. Surely they thought of that with this stuff no?
Although I am not good at writing such things, here is what I sent:
As I understand it, a recent proposal indicates that such things as XML weather feeds will be removed in favor of increasing revenue for the private sector. I strongly disagree with this proposal. The taxpayers fund the National Weather Service by tax dollars and it is unacceptable to keep this information private.
If these changes take place, I will be writing my representatives to decrease NWS funds significantly since funding can take place from private businesses. I am sure that the weather community will have no problem uniting a group of thousands of taxpayers to attempt to stop and/or reverse this change.
Furthermore, you can expect daily, or more often, Freedom of Information Act requests from myself and probably hundreds if not thousands of other people.
We've been using Maha Powerex batteries and have been very satisfied. I ordered 25 sets of something very similar to this MahaEnergy and it has worked fine. They are easily better than other batteries I've tried.
uh no.. Microsoft selling Anti-Virus software is like GM selling extended warranties... We don't expect the product to break however if it does this will help.
And btw, you do realize life insurance will not save your life or bring you back from the dead right? How is the two alike in your post?
I highly doubt that Microsoft would ever buy SCO and even if they did they wouldn't be interested in a lawsuit with IBM. Lawsuits are only good for dying companies as a last resort such as SCO who's chief product is UNIX which is obviously dying a slow death because of LINUX, BSDs, et al.
Microsoft is in the business to make money, which they do just fine (obviously) with their current products. Everyone loses in a lawsuit except the lawyers. SCO was already losing, they chose to gamble. Who was the last company Microsoft sued (really sued) with the intention of getting money? Google for "microsoft sued", thats reality. Hell in the majority of lawsuits against Microsoft they just paid and moved on, they are not interested in court... Lawsuits are for little fly-by-night POS operations such as SCO not bluechip companies.
BTW, Microsux, m$ and all the other lame shit to just saying Microsoft is so 90s. How about trying Microsoft, MS, or MSFT? Hell you could even say POS MS or Sucky Microsoft and look more intelligent.
Furthermore, I find it hard to beleive all these crackers can get around product registration, serial numbers and all that and yet another person can't remove the money check code from closed source products.
I'd much rather press CTRL + Shift to activate caps locks, makes it much more impossible to do on accident. Don't know what to do with the existing key.
Ask my neighbor, the bastard seams to always screw up my router but thats alright, I'm within range of his router with a "Linksys" SSID with no encryption and no MAC filters that has a 3 meg cable connection.. I just borrow that =P I throttle my connection at 2.9, no need to be a dick about it.
Cool! Thanks for pointing out that book. Bruce is one of my favorite actors and I really like the Evil dead series. Sure makes my wife mad when I watch them every few weeks hahaha... A few months ago I got a High Def TV that is wide screen, it ruins the evil dead series experience especially for folks who want it ultra real looking, it makes it less funny too.
If they make piracy impossible then most users will use a different OS rather than pay for it. If a lot of people switch to linux then linux will pickup a lot more support from hardware vendors and software writers and then even more people will switch to linux since it has more support and likely games and othe 'cricital software' that wasn't there before. Yes dumbfuck Microsoft will lose more than pirates when they get rid of piracy...
JoeDog42069: If they don't know how to fix their Master Boot Record (MBR) then they shouldn't be dual booting in the first place
Very assine statement. I'm sure that Joe Sixpack is going to just remove windows to install Linux... They should be dual booting to test the water and as easy as it is today with most distros is shouldn't matter if they know how to restore their MBR or even understand what a MBR is.
Furthermore, if they have important data that can not be lost, what is it doing on the same partition (or even the same hard drive) as their operating system?
Let me be the first to welcome you to the real world. Most users have a single harddrive, most users have important data on it and most users have their OS on it as well. If you are going to talk about unreasonable shit why don't you suggest that everyone should have a RAID filesystem with backups?
> He was implying that nobody buys Windows.
> Which is true... one of my friends said this
> to me "Linux is nice, but Windows is free too.
> If I had to buy it I'd use Linux..."
Exactly why I am hoping that Microsoft ends piracy of their products, they will in effect snuff themselves out or at least give Linux, et al a much larger market share.
Agreed, I used debian for years and have been using Gentoo for a lil over a year by now. I no longer recommend any distro since it turns into a distro war but there are some I suggest not using such as Fedora. I'll probably switch back to debian shortly here actually, it is my favorite distro.
One distro I am keeping a very close eye on is SUSE. Since novell bought suse and ximian it has a lot of potential; especially in the workplace. SUSE _could_ be the distro that breaks into large offices everywhere (they all have in one or another..).
It affected my 40 gig drive also. It completely fucked my partition table only allowing me to boot into fedora. I figured o-well i'll just add my windows entry and it still would not boot windows. Switching to lilo instead of grub didn't help... I got nervious and then proceeded to try to mount the ntfs partition only to find it was all fucked up. Fixmbr didn't do jack, a cd with partition magic on it wasn't able to fix it either. I lost my entire ntfs drive, i keep all my valuables on a fat32 drive for both windows and linux to use and I didn't lose that thank god but I still had to spend a day installing windows, software and service packs, etc. In short fedora took my first partition out when it fucked up the mbr.
I've tried every release of fedora just to see how it would work (betas, etc included), it is always a buggy piece of crap. I'll NEVER try fedora again.
Hmm sounds like you are confused. See what they are trying to accomplish is to find a BETTER alternative use (potentially increase income) for 'left overs' that benefits many parties at the same time. Nice try though...
Might I suggest growing some balls and post without the anonymous coward box checked and we could discuss this further troll.
TykeClone:
If you're going to slaughter the animal anyway for food, wouldn't it be best to use whatever is left over in any way possible?
NOTHING is left after using an animal for food. It is all used somewhere whether it be other animal food such as dogs (not other ruminants however) or some other use.. its all used already. I know that brain and nervous system parts have been banned in the US since the mad cow case (by the way, she got lame giving birth, she was not a sick cow even..) but before that and some remains true today brains along with most all other organs make their way into the human food chain in the form of fat, etc. In many cases organs are mixed with fat to make lean beef (McDonald's for example NOT TROLL) appear to be better. Anyone reading this, do yourself a favor, DO NOT look into how sausage, jerkey or hamburger is processed if you enjoy eating it.
I doubt that is illegal anyway, many things like art and sentimental objects have no real value. Mona Lisa is only worth a few bucks in paint and material... And as far as customs is concerned if you want to declare a higher amount to be safe they sure as hell will take your money! Now if you did the opposite and say its worth 5 dollars, thats when they will get you. To the seller that 'laptop' was worth 2000 dollars, that is easily proven with all this publicity alone.
CAIMLAS: does anyone else feel like MS is simply releasing these fairly-trivial items to the "open source community" in an attempt to try and appease the geeks out there? This seems like nothing more than a token gesture - they are still able to lock people in with Windows and Office.
They still have exploitive upgrade paths. And they can always change things in the future, and make future toolkits unavailable except via licensing/$, as their future offerings are undoubtably going to be different.
When I test the water I use fairly trivial items too, I don't just jump in. They do something that appears to be insignificant but they are looking for a response, of course this is just my speculation...
jm92956n: MS Clarifies: No SP2 For Pirated XP Copies
So much for the herd effect. It's simply, really. If everyone but me has gotten a polio vaccine, I'll still be fine because the polio has nowhere to hide.As soon as 10 - 20 percent of the population isn't vaccinated, suddenly the problem [polio] reemerges.
Why can't Microsoft understand the basic concept?
It could be because they answer to share holders and their chief goal (as a business) is to make money. If not releasing a service pack to pirates gets them 1% more purchases that is a hell of a lot of money. Customer satisifaction for them is a last priority since they have a huge market share/monopoly deal going on there...
Why can't slashdotters understand this basic concept?
Only takes a server with an IQ of 1 or more to get around this problem. In addition, I also wasn't aware that any bars let passed out people stay there; around here they kick your ass out of the bar if you drink that much. Technology doesn't replace commone sense.
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I'm only half ass following this SCO stuff but I'm pretty sure that the SCO vs Autozone thing has nothing to do with SCO vs IBM/LINUX thing. Someone will be along shortly to correct me if I'm wrong I'm sure :P
In my opinion, like java, mono/.net/c# is more of an in house tool.
What's to stop someone from creating a non-profit hobby app using this product then using sharpdevelop, mono, pnet or even microsoft's (free) command line compiler to make the commercial version? I've never read the EULA so I don't know the answer.
Isn't kinda how gcc came about. Or maybe that was a different compiler? If memory serves the compiler used to compile gcc for the first time would not allow it to be redistributed but then they used the fresh gcc compilation to compile itself and thus the restriction was gone. Surely they thought of that with this stuff no?
Although I am not good at writing such things, here is what I sent:
As I understand it, a recent proposal indicates that such things as XML weather feeds will be removed in favor of increasing revenue for the private sector. I strongly disagree with this proposal. The taxpayers fund the National Weather Service by tax dollars and it is unacceptable to keep this information private. If these changes take place, I will be writing my representatives to decrease NWS funds significantly since funding can take place from private businesses. I am sure that the weather community will have no problem uniting a group of thousands of taxpayers to attempt to stop and/or reverse this change. Furthermore, you can expect daily, or more often, Freedom of Information Act requests from myself and probably hundreds if not thousands of other people.
We've been using Maha Powerex batteries and have been very satisfied. I ordered 25 sets of something very similar to this MahaEnergy and it has worked fine. They are easily better than other batteries I've tried.
It worked for SCO! Err... wait
uh no.. Microsoft selling Anti-Virus software is like GM selling extended warranties... We don't expect the product to break however if it does this will help.
And btw, you do realize life insurance will not save your life or bring you back from the dead right? How is the two alike in your post?
I highly doubt that Microsoft would ever buy SCO and even if they did they wouldn't be interested in a lawsuit with IBM. Lawsuits are only good for dying companies as a last resort such as SCO who's chief product is UNIX which is obviously dying a slow death because of LINUX, BSDs, et al.
Microsoft is in the business to make money, which they do just fine (obviously) with their current products. Everyone loses in a lawsuit except the lawyers. SCO was already losing, they chose to gamble. Who was the last company Microsoft sued (really sued) with the intention of getting money? Google for "microsoft sued", thats reality. Hell in the majority of lawsuits against Microsoft they just paid and moved on, they are not interested in court... Lawsuits are for little fly-by-night POS operations such as SCO not bluechip companies.
BTW, Microsux, m$ and all the other lame shit to just saying Microsoft is so 90s. How about trying Microsoft, MS, or MSFT? Hell you could even say POS MS or Sucky Microsoft and look more intelligent.
Exactly... can likely be done with two characters
//CheckForMoney();
CheckForMoney();
Furthermore, I find it hard to beleive all these crackers can get around product registration, serial numbers and all that and yet another person can't remove the money check code from closed source products.
I'd much rather press CTRL + Shift to activate caps locks, makes it much more impossible to do on accident. Don't know what to do with the existing key.
Ask my neighbor, the bastard seams to always screw up my router but thats alright, I'm within range of his router with a "Linksys" SSID with no encryption and no MAC filters that has a 3 meg cable connection.. I just borrow that =P I throttle my connection at 2.9, no need to be a dick about it.
Cool! Thanks for pointing out that book. Bruce is one of my favorite actors and I really like the Evil dead series. Sure makes my wife mad when I watch them every few weeks hahaha... A few months ago I got a High Def TV that is wide screen, it ruins the evil dead series experience especially for folks who want it ultra real looking, it makes it less funny too.
If they make piracy impossible then most users will use a different OS rather than pay for it. If a lot of people switch to linux then linux will pickup a lot more support from hardware vendors and software writers and then even more people will switch to linux since it has more support and likely games and othe 'cricital software' that wasn't there before. Yes dumbfuck Microsoft will lose more than pirates when they get rid of piracy...
I am not at all doubting you but I'd like to know where this option is. I've never seen it and it would be handy to use to save a few minutes..
JoeDog42069:
If they don't know how to fix their Master Boot Record (MBR) then they shouldn't be dual booting in the first place
Very assine statement. I'm sure that Joe Sixpack is going to just remove windows to install Linux... They should be dual booting to test the water and as easy as it is today with most distros is shouldn't matter if they know how to restore their MBR or even understand what a MBR is.
Furthermore, if they have important data that can not be lost, what is it doing on the same partition (or even the same hard drive) as their operating system?
Let me be the first to welcome you to the real world. Most users have a single harddrive, most users have important data on it and most users have their OS on it as well. If you are going to talk about unreasonable shit why don't you suggest that everyone should have a RAID filesystem with backups?
> He was implying that nobody buys Windows.
> Which is true... one of my friends said this
> to me "Linux is nice, but Windows is free too.
> If I had to buy it I'd use Linux..."
Exactly why I am hoping that Microsoft ends piracy of their products, they will in effect snuff themselves out or at least give Linux, et al a much larger market share.
Agreed, I used debian for years and have been using Gentoo for a lil over a year by now. I no longer recommend any distro since it turns into a distro war but there are some I suggest not using such as Fedora. I'll probably switch back to debian shortly here actually, it is my favorite distro.
One distro I am keeping a very close eye on is SUSE. Since novell bought suse and ximian it has a lot of potential; especially in the workplace. SUSE _could_ be the distro that breaks into large offices everywhere (they all have in one or another..).
It affected my 40 gig drive also. It completely fucked my partition table only allowing me to boot into fedora. I figured o-well i'll just add my windows entry and it still would not boot windows. Switching to lilo instead of grub didn't help... I got nervious and then proceeded to try to mount the ntfs partition only to find it was all fucked up. Fixmbr didn't do jack, a cd with partition magic on it wasn't able to fix it either. I lost my entire ntfs drive, i keep all my valuables on a fat32 drive for both windows and linux to use and I didn't lose that thank god but I still had to spend a day installing windows, software and service packs, etc. In short fedora took my first partition out when it fucked up the mbr.
I've tried every release of fedora just to see how it would work (betas, etc included), it is always a buggy piece of crap. I'll NEVER try fedora again.
> If only the original authors of SMTP could > have seen the mess we're in now.
So ask Al Gore what he was thinking.. didn't he write the SMTP protocol right after the internet?
/joke
Hmm sounds like you are confused. See what they are trying to accomplish is to find a BETTER alternative use (potentially increase income) for 'left overs' that benefits many parties at the same time. Nice try though...
Might I suggest growing some balls and post without the anonymous coward box checked and we could discuss this further troll.
TykeClone:
If you're going to slaughter the animal anyway for food, wouldn't it be best to use whatever is left over in any way possible?
NOTHING is left after using an animal for food. It is all used somewhere whether it be other animal food such as dogs (not other ruminants however) or some other use.. its all used already. I know that brain and nervous system parts have been banned in the US since the mad cow case (by the way, she got lame giving birth, she was not a sick cow even..) but before that and some remains true today brains along with most all other organs make their way into the human food chain in the form of fat, etc. In many cases organs are mixed with fat to make lean beef (McDonald's for example NOT TROLL) appear to be better. Anyone reading this, do yourself a favor, DO NOT look into how sausage, jerkey or hamburger is processed if you enjoy eating it.
I doubt that is illegal anyway, many things like art and sentimental objects have no real value. Mona Lisa is only worth a few bucks in paint and material... And as far as customs is concerned if you want to declare a higher amount to be safe they sure as hell will take your money! Now if you did the opposite and say its worth 5 dollars, thats when they will get you. To the seller that 'laptop' was worth 2000 dollars, that is easily proven with all this publicity alone.
When I test the water I use fairly trivial items too, I don't just jump in. They do something that appears to be insignificant but they are looking for a response, of course this is just my speculation...
jm92956n: MS Clarifies: No SP2 For Pirated XP Copies
So much for the herd effect. It's simply, really. If everyone but me has gotten a polio vaccine, I'll still be fine because the polio has nowhere to hide.As soon as 10 - 20 percent of the population isn't vaccinated, suddenly the problem [polio] reemerges.
Why can't Microsoft understand the basic concept?
It could be because they answer to share holders and their chief goal (as a business) is to make money. If not releasing a service pack to pirates gets them 1% more purchases that is a hell of a lot of money. Customer satisifaction for them is a last priority since they have a huge market share/monopoly deal going on there...
Why can't slashdotters understand this basic concept?
Only takes a server with an IQ of 1 or more to get around this problem. In addition, I also wasn't aware that any bars let passed out people stay there; around here they kick your ass out of the bar if you drink that much. Technology doesn't replace commone sense.