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RFID Implants for Spanish Revelers
WWW/X writes "USA Today reports that clubbers in Barcelona are getting drunk and being implanted on site with RFID chips in order to pay their bills without carrying around bulky items such as credit cards. The article states that the implant can go anywhere, however it does not state whether anyone has chosen their forehead." The club's website describes the program (link in spanish).
Loved it, loved the music, loved the food, still wouldn't get RFID to pay for drinks.
Ok this is so yesterday. I got my waver at Baja, people, and I can't love it enough. It's phat because I can totally wave it in front of any of the bartenders and like bam I have a drink. It's even better in the summer because it's like totally hot right now (third day of this awful humidity) and so I can wear like anything hot that I want and I don't have to carry a PURSE or those lame KEYCHAIN WALLETS and stuff. So anyway at the library once this guy was all freaking out on me about how I got "implanted" and I was going to be "tracked and monitored" and said "don't you read Slashdot?". He was gross and I ran away but that's how I found out about this site.
Anyway I've read here long enough to know that no one here is going to want a waver but that's cool because I'm just guessing here that only uncool ugly people are going to get all wigged about being cool and not having to carry a wallet. Which just means more hot guys at Baja for me.
Smack that ass, boyfriend!
"... anyone has chosen their forehead."
Or right hand for that matter.
Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose.
USA today says that it's made out of glass... couldn't this possibly break? Ouch. Then again, USA Today is known for their high quality journalism...
Get RFID tag installed.
Don your tinfoil hat.
Drink.
Trolling is a art,
"...that bump? No, no no no--you've got it all wrong! I'm clean--that's my RFID chip! Really! Wait! Come back!"
Obliteracy: Words with explosions
Lean against the bar and accidently buy everybody a round!
Or better, yet muggers using a knife and cutting out the implant. I'd feel better if the scanner would only work an inch or two from the chip, rather than several feet. Otherwise, in a crowded bar how would you know who is paying?
The grass is only greener, if you don't take care of your own lawn.
It is also rumored that many Barcelona escort services are looking into this method of payment for services.
does the chip stay or does your body slowly reject it and shoot it across the room? Maybe they could make disposible ones, that they can swallow and pass it a day or two later... that would be gross, but no implants...
- Your stupidity got you into this mess, why can't it get you out? -Will Rogers
That's because the U.S. keeps the Black and Hispanic population poor, and they cannot afford to buy cars. Bicycles don't pollute.
all news today is "smart this.. implant that..."
you can take your RFID and shove it up your ass! literally!
..but counterfeiting/identity theft issues as well. If the RFID is readable that easily, I can just read of the wealthist customer's RFID and make one with his ID for myself. Voila, I'll have a drunken night at the club!
of when I was in Mallorca getting polaxed every night. The fact that I had to use cash meant that I could pace myself and not blow all my money, as you would do very quickly when you're so drunk that you could lose track of how much (or little) money you can spare. If I was able to just wave my hand and get a drink I'd be bankrupt in no time. I think that's a more pressing concern than any privacy issues.
Drill baby drill - on Mars
How about the option to put it in, for example:
A ring
A necklace
An earring, nose ring, etc.
A bracelet
A watch
All of these seem a lot safer, putting things under the skin can be really really dangerous. How do you go about getting it out if you're done with it? What if someone clones your id? What if it migrates to somewhere else in your body?
It's times like this that I'm glad we have an FDA here in the US.
I look foward to participating in the next run, and logging into my specially-fitted Palm Pilot as I run down the street and check the red dots on the screen so I know where the bull horns are so I can avoid them.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
they have to get me very drunk to let them implant me a rfid thingie
Only morons moderate based on a sig.
What a load of crap! The /. descriptions says clubbers in Barcelona are getting drunk and being implanted on site with RFID chips which maks it sound like the club is tagging passed out patrons with a chip without their consent. In fact the bar is sponsoring the chip implants and people can sign up for them. I'm not saying that it makes the idea OK, but it's a heck of a lot better than a story about waking up with an ID embedded in your arm. Let's try to tell it like it is a little more, even if it is /.
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Was there last year, and I can see it now... The british kids selling Ectasy at Space, Pacha, El Divino and cafe Del Mar, can just bill you electronically.
Shows up on credit card as "adult entertainment". I see the potential for abuse.
Alright! Now I can get drunk, pay my tab, and be tracked where ever I go. I'll never be lost again! In fact now the bartender will know exactly what I like so when I'm too trashed to order he will still know what I'm looking for.
In Addition, I'm sure other merchants will catch on to the fact that I have an RFID tag and they will make wonderful use of it as well! This is a marvelous idea! Maybe now someone will remember my name.
-This sig has been discontinued after a sudden realization.
It could also help you to stop beating your wife http://www.guardian.co.uk/spain/article/0,2763,119 2217,00.html
D'oh! If Sauron had remembered to embed an RFID chip in that damn ring when he first had it made, it would have saved him and many others thousands of years of "looking for lost jewelry" trouble.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Wave a body part and get a drink? So what! Girls have had this power since forever. And for them the drink is free.
Great, now my arm can look like my keychain with a half-dozen different "rewards" RFID chips... The added side benefit with all that junk in your arm will be when you light up the metal detector at the airport like a Christmas tree... and then the friendly TSA agent dons the rubber gloves...
I know I'll be modded down, but this will enhance privacy.
No more does someone have to worry about getting their wallet stolen because they were too drunk to notice. This means fewer credit card thefts, the leading cause of identity theft & privacy violations.
Yeah those pesky bulky 50x30x0.5 mm^3 credit cards - don't want to lug one of those around.
I put as much disinformation in the story as I could. The title was originally "Greek partygoers" not "Spanish revelers", but Michael managed to catch the fact that Barcelona isn't in Greece.
Thank you for giving me credit for the bits I managed to slip by. I do my best.
If you pass out, your RFID chip still works, guess who's buying!
At least with cash, when your out, your done. Credit cards have a signature and some liability, what do the RFID tags have? (sorry no habla)
This is not the sig line you are looking for... -- Old Jedi Sig Line Trick
Even though there is all the blah blah about Revelations and yadda yadda yadda, I think this would be pretty nice. Part of me wants to drop credit cards for implants because it would just be easy. Part of me is scared of that due to the whole My-Government-Really-Doesn't-Give-A-Toss-About-My- Privacy-And-They-Aren't-Afraid-To-Say-It (PATRIOT ACT, etc.) thing.
So, I was thinking maybe if they would make stylish jewlery instead of implants, it would be better. I hate wearing extra things on my person. I don't even wear a watch on my wrist. But, hey, if I were going out and I could conceal my credit card in, say, a ring or earing or bracelet or lapel pin, it'd be worth it. Can't get it pick-pocketed unless you are very careless, and you probably won't lose it as easily.
Then if you were worried about some RFID tracking, you could leave it at home and take cash / traditional credit cards.
Where's my aluminum foil thong?
Is it just me or is the statement "...bulky items such as credit cards." seem a little odd?
Maybe I don't get it. Do you have to sign a reciept or something after your RFID has been read? Otherwise, what's to stop an unscrupulousbar owner from charging you for all sorts of things during the evening? And if you do sign something, how do they know that they have the right signature? What if I make a fake RFID that has someone else number and just sign for it as usual? Not that most people checked the signatures on credit cards, but at least they have the option of checking...
Reminds me of that song "Master of the House" from Les Miserables...
I got the impression from Slashdot's interpretation of USA Today's rant that these people are getting implants against their will because they're drunk. Or that they don't want the implants, but they get them because they are drunk.
Then when I read the article, I found out volunteers willingly accepted them.
Gotta love Slashdot articles that throw in completely unwarranted, biased statements like "patrons are getting drunk and...", even though the article says nothing of the sort.
Actually, I think the whole article is just wierd. At least three topics have been rammed together into this article. Does anyone have any proof that this is actually happening, or is this just some marketing hype that a reporter fell for?
Yay.. Of course, they prey on the typical stupidity of clubbers.. "OMG ITS LIKE SO COOL!! ADN SO EZ TO GET A DRINK"
Metal implants in the tongue? Ears? Nose? Nipples? Lips? It starts with RFID and ends with the Borg.
Perhaps I have an overactive imagination, but did anyone else picture shady characters going around with Star Trek-esque implant devices sticking unconscious and unsuspecting victims with identity-stealing nanites?
Ok, no more than 3 cups of coffee for me from now on!
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
The interview mentions that they are easy to remove. The chips are for the VIPs and a perk. No abuse here. The company is just trying to differentiate themselves from other clubs with an interesting gimmick.
My favorite is his claim that everyone has either piercings, tatoos or silicon; then when asked if he does, he feels dumb.
Then I'll be looking for a "slide card in slot" sign. And yes, I DO want a receipt.
Humor from a Genetically Molested Mind
Have a look at the professional enviroment where they do the implant:
Baja implant photo.
or as the locals would say it, siscents seixanta sis...
:)
(thanks Socrates/Eramus at Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona!
This could be a hit with nudiest colonies or naked people that like to go shopping with their credit card. Go figure.
I'll start.
1:1 "And the Anonymous Coward, whose attempts to inspire many trolls had failed, ventured to the dark land of the savages. 'Why,' the dark savages questioned, 'has the nerd ventured so far from his Homeland?'"
1:2 "'Perhaps he is feeling adventurous.'"
1:3 "After the savages' intrusive physical examinations, the Anonymous Coward could only drink. And for seven days, he did."
1:4 "On the seventh day, he awoke to the unpleasant sensation of an RFID. To his dismay, the object had been installed in the forbidden cavity."
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Nobody expects the Spanish Implantation.....
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Spain Launches Microchip Implantation for VIP Members
Baja Beach Club in BarcelonaUPDATE April 7, 2004 2:30 PM CST
Note from Alex Jones:
I interviewed Conrad Chase for 30 minutes on my syndicated radio broadcast. He told me that the CEO of VeriChip, Mr. Bolton, had told him that there was a plan to use the VeriChip as a global implantable identity system. I asked him if whether in the future you would have to have a chip to get into the club period, and he said yes.
I said laughingly, that you're not going to be a VIP in the world if you don't have a chip, to which he responded that that was a great slogan that he would start using.
He went on to say that all gun owners should have to have a microchip implanted in their hand to be able to own a gun. He also said that the VeriChip company had told him that the Italian government was preparing to implant all of their government workers. He said that this is a great system that he believes will replace credit cards for buying and selling.
I asked him where he was getting all of these ideas and he said that he had learned all of this from discussions with VeriChip, and that he was aware that the plant making the chips was in Beijing, China.
It doesn't get any more bone-chilling than this. They are going to sell microchips as the ultimate in trendiness.
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Club Director: "The chip will prevail...I believe wholeheartedly in the
chip system."
Violet Jones
Infowars.com
April 7, 2004
Baja Beach Club owner Conrad Chase wanted something unique to identify his VIP patrons. Other clubs had special jewelry or key chains, but he was looking for something special. After brainstorming, he came up with the idea to implant his VIP members with VeriChip's implantable microchip.
Alex has spoken many times over the years about how they would make the chip "fun," and how, by giving it an elite status, an entire generation of young teenagers would soon be arguing with their parents demanding that they let them be implanted so that they can be in the "in" crowd.
The Baja Beach Club and Chase have proved that the trend has started.
When I spoke to Mr. Chase this morning he told me that his implant launch had gotten the international media's attention. He himself was implanted at the media launch of the VIP implant system along with stars from the Spanish version of the TV Show, "Big Brother," (called "Grand Hermano" in Spain).
He also told me that he had been in touch with the VeriChip Corporation and that there were several new developments with their implant system including the Belgian subsidiary of firearm company, FN Herstal, which manufactures Browning and Smith and Wesson firearms, launching a implant-firearm system which would make a firearm functional only to the individual implanted with its corresponding microchip.
"We have a special zone at Baja beach Club where only VIPs are allowed, which has various exclusive services for these members. We are the first discotheque in the world to offer the VIP VeriChip. Using an integrated (imbedded) microchip, our VIPS can identify themselves and pay for their food and drinks without the need for any kind of document (ID)."
Informant: Harlan Girard
Or, they could just decide to put a second tag in your throat. Just faulty enough to ignite the alchohol as it goes by. (Thus destroying any incriminating evidence.)
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
They should be ashamed that they're NOT drunk when they do this.
Good thing I'm not a fundamentalist or I'd see this as an indicator of people volunteering for the Mark of the Beast.
Rrrriiiigggghhhhtttt. Now only the well-funded, professional bad guys will be able to invade your privacy. And you won't even know when it happens.
Please tell me that you're not allowed to vote. And you should be modded -5 Duh.
...next time they ever end up inside a microwave oven.
i can see the ER docs clamoring for this. they won't have to actually talk to the patients as the ambulance pulls them in to the parking lot. the patient record will pop right up on their handy dandy tablet PC without asking. now if there was an implantable etoh meter too
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
I woke up with a massive headache and a funny feeling bump over my eye. 'Must have gotten into a fight!
Which would you prefer? Can't buy or sell without it!
Whats the range of these tags ? Is there any potential to use the tags to follow one of these blindingly bright honeys home from the club ?
Can future versions of the devices be made to take blood alcohol measurements and broadcast these values too ?
There are a number of ways I can think of to let customers make purchases without carrying cash or cards, but surgical implantation at the bar wasn't at the top of my list. I really hope this doesn't catch on.
--Tsiangkun
I'm getting mine implned in my pee-pee.
That way, I can pay for my hookers at the same time I'm fucking them.
Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
About needing to receive the "Mark of the Beast" in order to conduct business?
:-P
I wonder if the RFID implants have the digits "666" on them anywhere
My rights don't need management.
Churro? Why would anyone want to sugar a sheep?
Gnosticism got me back out of my malaise into being a christian. I had for a long time dismissed people like Jack Van Impe and Tim LaHaye as wishful thinkers (God will solve our problems) and outright lunatics whose desire for the endtimes was scary as hell. Then I started actually watching what is happening and comparing it to the more mature prophecy.
1) With the Law of the Sea Treaty and UN Convention on Organized Crime and International Criminal Court we are moving towards a true one world government. If the momentum continues, the UN could be a planetary government in 20-30 years with its own tax system, police, legislature and scariest of all: military.
2) Corporations, unions and governments have been conspiring for decades to terminate individual freedom and centralize all meaningful government power in the hands of an unaccountable elite. The US Congress is barely representative of our own population, just imagine how corruptable that sort of legislature would be. The Congress and EU would look like they're dominated by statesmen of the finest calibre by comparison.
3) We have a version of the mark of the beast being propogated in a way that is palitable to the general population.
While I don't think that we're going to see the rapture or anything quite that fantastical, I do think we are going to see some very dark days for mankind coming very soon.
Click here or a puppy gets stomped!
if society has decayed to the point where alcohol and absynthe-soaked sluts in Barcelona can wave their hand at a computer for more drinks, we deserve what we get.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
Just to try and head off some of the sillier comments here:
As anyone working in a Vet's Surgery will tell you, these sub-dermal chips have a read range of about 2-3 inches, so you don't have to worry about the club recording how many times you gave ten euros to the guy in the corner with all the funny bulges in his hat.
Sorry.
We will now return you to your normal paranoid service.
On a serious note, we should be using some kind of RFID on every American in IRAQ. No, I don't have all the answers, but it seems we could track people who are missing through satellite, before they get their heads cut off. Is there some technology available that isn't easily defeated or detected by captors?
Once this ties in with slots...
You know... In Mother Russia RFID inplants in.. erm.. wait..
In Mother Russia You implant RFID.. erm, that wont work either. I give up!
I mean, its fine and good if some rich euro-trash model wants to get a chip under her skin so she can be cool and buy drinks faster (means she gets drunk faster and my chances go up faster).
But lets say she's leaving....does she have the ability to have it removed from her? Something like this could potentially be a real problem trying to get through the metal detector at the airport.
"Um...no sir....its a chip...under my skin....and it buys drinks!"
"Suuuuure it does....now come along with me little miss terrorist."
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Painlessly inserted? How about removed? A passport no matter how good you can always loose. With an rfid tag imbedded this becomes a lot harder. Does any current goverment want to use this? No probably not.
Then again think of the time when a certain european country started a database with the religion of its citizens and of their parents. And think of the time that passed before its true purpose become known. Can you predict wich kinda goverment we will have in a decade? The US 10 years ago was just getting rid of bush in favor of clinton, the netherlands was all peacefull and quiet with no-one making any political statements that were not Politically correct and politicians getting shot happened elsewhere. (for the non-dutch we had a huge uproar (by dutch standards) when Pim Fortuyn formed his own party and said things that no-one had dared say before but a lot of people were thinking. A openly gay charismatic person with some right wing and some left wing views who looked like he was going to win the election before being killed).
Scary stuff. Anyone that accepts this is insane.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Thank god, finally someone has come up with a way to save me from the unbearable burden of hauling my friggin credit card from place to place.[/Sarcasm]
Now, if a credit card is too bulky for your outfit then you should have some of my sex... with me.
-- I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist. It's not my fault that life sucks so much. --
My RFID implanted dog bought the whole club a round of drinks.
More money for the club!
RFID in ID badges use a public key private key auth so the key is never sent so your stuck trying to break 128 bit key.
Have you ever been to a turkish prison?
I worry about a world in which people are so easily seduced into giving up such things as privacy, liberty, health and freedom all for the sake of a little short-term convenience. Have we really devolved into little more than lazy unthinking robotic blobs of flesh?
It seemed perfectly obvious to me that the summary wasn't implying unconsented implanting of drunk people.
But then again, maybe I am just used to the slashdot sensationalism, and have learned to automatically see through it.
hmmm...
It's not real? Are you sure? I have already paid $2,500 to go participate in an archaelogical dig on the Italian shores of the Adriatic in August to help uncover the foundations of Barad-dur. Hope this isn't some sort of scam, but I'd better check into this just in case.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Is your friend
... don't get the implant over your kidney or you might lose two things at once!
To a Lisp hacker, XML is S-expressions in drag.
How do you know which rfid chip is buying which drink?
And of course: It's everywhere you want to be. :)
Why be afraid? Implanted RFID tags are the first step to a clothing optional world. The second step involves everyone finishing our Dr. Aitkins diets so we don't all look flubby...oh, and Bush's energy policy needs to finish the global warming trend so we don't get chilly.
Dude! RFID tags means we can all run around naked and get drunk all day long...uh, okay, maybe I see what you mean about being afraid.
The mugger may just opt for amputation as a quicker means of getting the RFID chip than just poking around for it.
When Lorena Bobbit strikes again, she's going to think twice before throwing the evidence out the window.
Lorena to friend: What now? Throw it out the window?
Friend: NO NO NO... Let's go shopping first!!
Imagine the checkout clerk's suprise: I'm sorry ma'am, I don't think that belongs to you.
Lorena: C'mon! My husband didn't have any cash on him! Just this once?
Whenever McEnroe swings that racket, I cannot help but think of "Genius!".
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Do you have one of these rings which can make you invisible to RFID detection? I want one..... preciousss.....
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Nostradamus - you just got served.
guns kill people like spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat.
Can you imagine what you'd have to go through to get scanned if you shoved your RFID tag up your ass?
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Revelation 13
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16: And it comes to be that the small and the large, the rich and the poor, the free and the peasants altogether give themselves a malsign on their right hand or their forehead.
17: So it be that no one can buy or sell, if he not bear the sign, namely the sign of the beast or the number of his name.
Somewhat creepy, ain't it?
Yet it is conclusive in a way.
Consider the following: The spiritual inspirator of arts being the spiritual being (read: 'power') we call Lucifer, the inspirator of science being the 'power' Satan (or Ariman, to be more percise) - which, on a side note, makes the amish people the most consequent religious-confessional christians IMHO - and the spiritual being who holds the balance in the middle being the christ. We live in an age where science and materialisim (which aims to neglect any sort of true spirituality) runs rampant. Call it the western age or 'the age of the white man' as the chief of the cree (was it cree?) put it.
It's quite a logic consequence for this RFID/body-chip issue taking the turn the Bible profecies (spelling?) here.
I consider myself quite sober in terms of spirituality and I do think the evangelists and some other people had the knowlege and wisdom to look this far into the future.
Then again, large parts of the revelation are somewhat 'babbleish' so again everybody has to make his own impression.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Like, what's the big deal? Like, why is a man writing in such a way as to sound like a valley girl? Like, gag me with a spoon!!
I don't blame you if you stop reading after the first 'Like'....I did.
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The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
So cool, now while wardriving I can rob tons of people BLIND as I charge them for WHATEVER while driving through downtown Barcelona.
Now what happens when everyone has these tags in them and there is no need for cash? And imagine if your a disident? The government would be able to stop you from buying anything... However, I must say that it is usefull to have an automatic paying system while your drunk...
Are these capsules sterile when inserted ?
How much training does the 'nurse' at the club have?
If the 'nurse' is so well trained, how come they aren't working in healthcare ?
What facilities are provided at the club to ensure a sterile working environment for the 'nurse' and patients ?
Are the capsules certified free from proteins that may cause immune responses ?
What sort of waiver do I have to sign to get one of these implanted ?
If I have a problem with the implant, do I contact the manufacturer, or is the bar going to provide care for complications arising from the device.
--Tsiangkun
In both cases, implants make this easier.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Think about it:
If I get this implanted in my head, I want the dancers get the scanners implanted in their crotches...
It would make paying my bill pleasurable!
On a side note, the Baja Beach chain of clubs is by far the most fun I've ever been to. Mind you I went to the ones in the Netherlands, but I'm pretty sure they're all built around the same model.
Basically, the theme inside the club is that it's a beach resort. Fake palm trees, fake sand, etc. And the best part? The hosts and hostesses are all super-buff hotties wearing thongs. There's plenty of beefcake for the women and hot flesh for the men -- they literally walk around with only dental floss covering their bodies, selling you drinks on the dance floor. If you're willing to fork over extra money, you get a "body shot" where you drink your drink off the body of the hostess -- although that part grosses me out when you consider who else has licked there. And about every 15 minutes the hosts and hostesses get up on top of the tables and alternate between a male and a female striptease!
What else could a young, horny lad ask for?
Human dignity has reached new lows in Barcelona - and they are OK with that.
Revelation 13:16-17
Their VIPs must be stupid enough to give up their privacy in exchange of the convenience of not having to move cash around and the extra bonus of being handled and ID'd just like cattle are.
Geez. What happened to dignity?
Rich kids are indeed dumb...
I can say, scary as it may be, that such technology would be invaluable, not only to doctors on the ER deck, but to EMTs in the back of the ambulance. Take in a patients ID, xmit to central data center, which returns the patients records. Would have saved atleast a few lives that I can think about. Lots of people have medical complications and they DO NOT carry it on any form of ID, or any sort of Medic Alert bracelet. That, or the bracelet gets lost in something like a car accident or building fire.
Even better, if the ID can be transmitted to the 911 Emergency Operations Center when the initial emergency response call is made, the operator can trace/track the location of the call, immediately, and route the nearest rig. Ambulance drivers aren't always the most efficient beings. It's not easy to think of the best route to a location, compensating for traffic patterns, and dodging Mr. Jones on his bananular phone.
Scary? Sure. Useful? Indispensable. But it'll never happen.
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My cats have RFID implants with a serial#.
;)
If they get lost their necklace tells the finder to call a number / go to a vet to get the number read.
The number corresponds with my address information in a database and I get a call.
My point is this: it's no 'new' technology and the chip does not migrate in the cat's body (it's implanted near the left shoulder).
Of course the implantation should be done by skilled people. My guess is that it ins't the bartender who implants the chip
Privacy is terrorism.
This is like those keychain tags for gas at Mobile or Exxon. The idea is that the purchase is small, so it's not worth the seller's trouble to get a signature. And, those gas tags don't work from far away - you don't wind up paying for someone else's gas at the next pump. I'm guessing that these little capsules don't have much of a range either, despite what was written.
Oh, and as far as passing out. If you pass out in a public place, there are lots and lots of bad things that can happen to you. Perhaps you should avoid that practice.
~==>RocketSHE
i, for one, DONT welcome our coming antichrist overlord.
People tend to overspend on cards, yes? For much the same reasons that they'd overspend using their chip? This despite generations of experience that (you'd think) would've led to more measures to prevent that problem. Banks want us to abuse the things, so there's a pressure *not* to put "checks" in place, too. They don't want fraud, but they want you to overspend. They offer you perks to do it.
It took a long time for credit cards to get to the relatively more protected model we're in now, where there's limited liability for fraud, checksum digits are on the reverse of the card, and so on. Most cards still don't even have built-in photo ID, which seems like a basic point. We only went to checking every card for almost every purchase in the 90s; until then it was "If it's a big purchase you can call an 800 number to verify that the card's good." Maybe RFID can piggyback on that network of fraud checks from the cards, but if credit cards had to deal with unexpected abuses so will this.
You have to be right that there are more "checks" to these things than we're thinking, but as far as being an early adopter -- nah, no thanks.
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
My bank keeps issuing me knew credit cards (due to bank mergers, better credit, etc). At this rate, I'd never remeber what body part had the most recent RFID tag in it.
It seems like they are using VeriChip rfid-chips.
(Reminds me of some other Veri**** named company..)
Brochure (pdf)
Seems like there are no public key/private key type security features in the chip.
I wonder how they expect it to be secure against copying..
"If I was able to just wave my hand and get a drink I'd be bankrupt in no time. I think that's a more pressing concern than any privacy issues."
What about how embarrasing it is when you get that drunk and end up on G.G.Wild?
God, its like that every time I go to Mardi Grass. And let me tell you, staying off camera is definetly a bigger concern than any RFID privacy issues.
If you don't know Spanish very well, plug that link http://www.baja-beachclub.com/bajaes/asp/zonavip.a spx into Babelfish and read it. It's all futures. In Babelfish's translation:
Q: Conrad, you think that the VeriChip will have good welcome?
A: If, I know much people with desire to implant it to it. At the moment, almost everybody takes piercings, tattoos or silicone.
They're not doing it yet. They don't know whether anyone will be willing to use it.
"How to Do Nothing," kids activities, back in print!
to word everything as, like, a question? You know? "Like, I was like, down at the pool hall? And this totally cute guy came over? And I was like, Oh my God! I totally didn't know what to say? And he was like, 'whatever!'"
Drill baby drill - on Mars
From the article.
"At the Baja Beach Club, Tuesdays are VeriChip implantation days. Stop in and a ''nurse'' -- the club's word -- uses a syringe to inject a VeriChip capsule under your skin.."
Does this "nurse" know much about "HIV" & "Hepatitis"?
This is not a dream, not a dream...we are transmitting from the year 1-9-9-9.
... as more events seem to make the Revelations part of the Bible sound accurate, it's starting to seem like a good idea to convert to Catholicism, just in case.
Besides, some of those altar boys are pretty cute...
He also forced everyone, small...
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I think that is a significant impercision you've got in that translation.
Mine says:
"... the free and the peasants altogether give themselves a malsign
They give it themselves because they honor the beast. That's a huge difference. (And it describes what's happening more percisely)
Can anyone with the hebrew 'original' and the appropriate hebrew skills clarify this one? Or anyone with knowlege of the different translations and which is the truest?
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Re-read the post, chief. You just vehemently agreed with the grandparent.
We will all be assimilated.
So what if you get so drunk you pass out. Your buddies can just drag your carcass to the bar and get free drinks the rest of the night. There really should be an "off" switch. Perhaps the ability to set a max amount per day.
what ever happened to just running a tab, and setteling up with the bar when you leave?
1) Open a trendy nightclub in Barcelona.
2) Implant RFID tags into your customers.
3) ???
4) Profit!
Sometimes it is just too easy.
"I am not denying the existence of stupidity, or of stupid people." - phyruxus
uhhh this really sounds like the Mark from Revelation.
To quote Bill Engvall
"Hot Women are the only people who can go out broke, and come back drunk!!!"
They don't need no stinkin RFID tags!
Party at O'zorgnax's Pub! Buy me a Slurmtini aye?
666 anyone?
What, a fast, hard fist to the head? That's the way they'd get one of those marks of the beast into me.
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We have direct deposit, direct withdrawal, speedpass systems, online billpay, etc etc etc. And I know several people in their early twenties who have filed or are currently in the process of filing, for bankruptcy.
Honestly, am I alone in wanting to make it more difficult for someone to take my money? I like making a conscious decision to pay for something. Lately I have stopped using debit/credit cards for daily purchases altogether. I give myself a certain amount of cash to spend during the month and keep it on my person. I can immediately tell how much money I have spent and have left. If I get mugged I can only lose that amount of cash, versus being led to an ATM machine and being forced to withdraw a large amount of money to give to the mugger. This has been happening somewhat frequently in my area recently and across the world at large. In many cases the victim has no way to reclaim the lost money.
Keeping money in a bank prevents it from being stolen from some third party, but it doesn't prevent the bank from stealing your money and holding it hostage. Banks make rediculous amounts of money from fees and charges for just accessing your cash. With almost zero interest on even the high interest checking and savings, it makes me want to get a safe and keep my cash locked away so as to hold onto more of it, or invest it in something that would generate more than the paisley sub-one-percent interest the banks like to give us during a time when interest rates on borrowed funds are fucking lower than ever .
Back to my point, is it seriously that hard to pay for things today? I mean its easy enough for someone to steal your identity, your credit history, your life.
Palma De Mallorca would be the perfect place for these...as it is nothing if not an island of some of the best bars and clubs I've seen in the world.
The correct way is "seiscientos sesenta y seis", and the spelling is not easy because there is not sound in english for the spanish "c". It sounds like "th" in "thougth" and not like "s".
Safes are much cheaper than you might think. Get the type that is sunk in concrete in the floor and it is incredibly difficult to crack (petrol stations love them).Make the bastards work to get your money.
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
Loved it, loved the music (including ELP), the food in the school cafeteria sucked, but I had no problem carrying $0.08 for my carton of milk. And RFID was totally inappropriate, as we still had plenty of unused TLDs left.
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Ever actually try and buy a drink in a crowded night club? Its 3 people deep and can take anywhere up to 15 minutes before a bartender actually pays me any attention. With RFID, I could have been charged for 3 drinks while I am standing there waiting to be served and I wouldnt know about it - why would I? I am too busy trying to 'casually' bump up against the chicky babe in the short black dress in front of me. With cash, the drink goes into the hands with the money. With RFID, the drink goes into someone's hands, and anyone nearby could be paying for it. Hell, why do I even need an RFID inplant here? I just rock up to the bar and pretend. The poor sap next to me can pay for it. He'd never know, the bartender would never know, and I get to drink for free all night.
Given the recent 'sting' with the RFID sniper rifle (they hoodwinked the Australian 'Computerworld' periodical) doesn't anyone smell a rat ?
:-)
After all, if Slashdot can post ads for that fake 'Godsend' cloning web site, isn't it entirely possible that someone is playing games
A Chinese bank issued a credit card small enough to be used as an earring or belly-button ring. No pictures, though, and I don't know how it would work. The mini credit cards in the grandparent post probably just have their stripes encoded at a higher density so you swipe them slower than normal cards.
HIV Crosses Species Barrier... into Muppets
Does anyone remember this movie?
:-)
Implanted chips, the works. Maybe they even have the colored lights
I think you meant paltry or measly, not paisley.
Also, banks are giving low returns specifically BECAUSE the interest rates for borrowing are really low. That's a bank's traditional income source (except in Muslim countries, where Shari'a prohibits lending at interest - there banks can only invest in your business & share the profits/losses), so when interest rates on borrowed funds are low they give you less and find ways to take more.
Btw, PAISley is also an operational specification language invented in '82 at Bell Labs.
Oooh, what power we wield when we moderate the slashdot comment!!
...the UN Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST)... (from some article somewhere)
Let's just assume we buy the usefullness of paying and being identified wireless, but my question is:
Why not just incorporate it into the cloth ? One could still swap it into the dress of the evening and I doubt that you can turn up at this place with less then a dime in length textils on the body...
Ooh, moderator points! Five more idjits go to Minus One Hell!
Delendae sunt RIAA, MPAA et Windoze
16 Y hace a todos los pequeños y grandes, ricos y pobres, libres y siervos, tomar la señal en su mano derecha, o en sus frentes;
17 y que ninguno pueda comprar o vender, sino el que tiene la señal, o el nombre de la bestia, o el número de su nombre.
18 Aquí hay sabiduría. El que tiene entendimiento, cuente el número de la bestia: porque el número es del hombre, y el número de ella es seiscientos sesenta y seis.
(Traducción por Reina y Valera, dos hombres que sí esperaban la Inquisición Española....)
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Delendae sunt RIAA, MPAA et Windoze
My credit card number is 947-4642-666! I think ill have a tag put in my forehead and my backup in my right hand! What? I shouldnt post my credit card number on slashdot? OH CRAP! UNDO! UNDO!
All misspellings and grammatical errors in the above post are intentional and part of my artistic expression.
to kill the implanted rfid tag. just sit in large microwave oven set on high for 5-10 minuets!!
And anyway, this wouldn't really work in the USofA because everybody has to have an ID, so a credit card isn't such a burden when added to an ID card.
Yesterday was the time to do it right. Are we having a REVOLUTION yet?
There are a few kinks to be worked out, like the fact that you can't turn the chip off. Privacy groups are going to dog-pile on that one.
I certainly could've done without that mental image.
whore sticks it into YOU!
Why not just record some nice unique data like their fingerprints and just palm for stuff? Just as easy and you don't have to have weird shit implanted in your body.. and you have to actually make an action to do it.. so nobody can walk buy and just scan and charge you.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.