I'll match your 20 and say that he already owns tax haven real estate - Bermuda, Caymans, whatever.
Incidentally the seven mile beach on Grand Cayman is just beautiful. I had the joy of spending 3 days there in 1999 - working mostly, but using the boss's condo about 15 feet from the beach.
How about Prodigy and Compuserve back when (89 or so)
I had the joy of working on one of the initial Prodigy stores. A big black notebook of data definitions and a guided tour of IBM headquarters in Armonk. Then I went back to my cube in Jersey and wrote some HLL CUA text interface shit.
This is what happens when you put revenue collection into the hands of bureaucrats.
This was one of the points that the founders had in making the House of Representatives be responsible for all government spending - ie, they would have to answer to voters for their idiocy.
Too bad we are all such idiots we can't make heads or tails of the crap they do up there.
Stuff like this makes me lose hope in us as a country. What jerk would think that taxing networks would be a positive thing? Taxes are supposed to do two things - raise revenue and encourage behaviors that the government deems laudable. Hence the presence of things like tariffs to protect domestic industry, and tax benefits for home ownership and having children, because the government wants us all to be fruitful and multiply.
So what does a LAN tax do, exactly? Think it out...
Incidentally I recommend NJ Cure. While they are a pain to deal with overall, you get a good rate and you are immune to most of the horseshit going on elsewhere in the insurance industry.
I wonder if the problem is cured if Vonage just stops offering service in Minnesota.
In a different field, auto insurance, most providers hate doing business in NJ because the state sucks - every 3 years the government gets a bug up its ass and changes the rules around because we have the highest (or near the highest) auto insurance rates in the country. So companies like State Farm, GEICO, Firemans Fund, etc have pulled out of New Jersey and do not offer policies here.
Sounds like a similar case brewing unless the MN PUC gets its act together.
I have seen at least two of these comparisons and no one seems to want to roll Mozilla's spam filter into the mix and compare it. Therefore, the comparisons are kind of useless to me. I am guessing I am not the only person using Moz either, for specifically this reason (ease of use for Bayesian filtering).
What's up with that? I know it's not a proxy, so the methodology is different than most of the products in the comparison. I'm very interested in how well the filter works however, compared to these other products.
My favorite quote on this topic comes from the character played by Burt Lancaster in the movie "Atlantic City". Looking out at the ocean he comments "You should have seen the ocean back then, it was something."
Imbecile!
Note the case in point above. I like offering a proof of my theory occasionally.
Seriously dude, you should stop taking it so personally and evaluate the claim objectively.
I would consider something like this, bent into a circular pattern.
We use this in one of my closets to provide a feed from the ceiling to a rack with a patch panel. We had moved the rack 4' to the left and we needed something to bring the ceiling stuff down to the new rack. We used fittings with tek screws and wire ties to hold it firmly in place and linked it into the drop ceiling framework as well for additional stability.
I could see doing something like that here between the stainless shelving units. Other adequate solutions could be arrived at. Also, the snake tray probably cost us $150 tops.
I see where you are going - I think they could have done both if they had had a mind to. I dont' think educators think that the 'old ways' of teaching grammar and spelling are worthwile nowadays though and I think they do the students a disservice by not giving them that familiar grounding.
You can always learn C++ in high school, no? I mean reading Julius Caesar is interesting and all but learning about classes and constructors won't kill you.
My complaint is at a more elementary (meaning grades 1-8) level. We didn't do spelling lists after I hit high school - we were expected to have learned that before.
Anyway I think we understand each other, thank you for the quality responses.
Uh huh. >>Nature of amusements - compare board games and pencil/paper RPGs to the lowest common denominator video games of today in terms of brainpower required for comprehension. I'm not qualified to speak on your earlier examples, but considering the fact that you are obviously of such high intelligence, one would think that you'd realize your example compares apples to oranges. Perhaps you should compare the lowest common denominator video games of today with lowest common denominator entertainment of 30 years ago . . . what might you wind up with? Perhaps the "skip-it"? Anyway, inertia is the tendency of objects at rest to remain at rest and objects in motion to remain in motion. (I grajumatated hi skool in 2001)
You misunderstand - the issue isn't intelligence, it's breadth of knowledge and quality of education. People didn't get theoretically less intelligent, they just don't get as much knowledge rammed inside their heads, or the stuff they get put in their heads doesn't prepare them adequately for the challenges facing them in adult life.
I have to train recent grads a lot in my job. I see the big holes left behind by their education - make no mistake, I had some holes too when I was breaking in, but they were less gaping and more easily repairable. They also had a certain logic to them - interacting with teams of adults in a productive fashion is something you aren't going to learn in school. Being unable to spell is another issue entirely.
Stop taking it so personally and evaluate the case objectively instead of trying to characterize it as an attack on your intelligence.
In regards games, I evaluate Monopoly or Risk played on a Friday night at home as being equivalent to a few hours in front of your favorite console. Which is more stimulating to the thought process? Which prepares you for a work environment better? The answer is obvious to me.
This seems to imply that board games and RPGs were as highly popular "then" as video games now. I don't know if that's true, as I was too young. In terms of the "geek" crowd, I wouldn't doubt it, but the conclusion is about the general public. One cannot discount that there are many activities you can do outside, like sports, that are still widely done today.
I would say in my experience that sports have equal or lesser (surprisingly) popularity now, but the kinds of sports that were played differ from today. You used to see more football and baseball/softball which are more strategic and require repetitive memorization of movements by an entire team. I see more basketball and soccer nowadays. These sports favor tactical improvisation. If I thought about it a little harder I could draw some conclusions from that.
In regards games - boardgames and rpgs were very popular in the late 70s-early 80's time frame. As omnipresent as videogames are today? Probably not, but very heavily used.
I don't think playing kick-the-can and stickball are indications of greater intellect. I have to say, I keep hearing this "the bar keeps being lowered" argument... but I know my parents never had to learn how to translate genetic code in high school. It's possible that my spelling and grammer aren't as clean (yay spellcheck), but I can recite more about genetics or modern computer technology than they ever will. It's my humble opinion that the focuses have changed, that's all.
I disagree strongly. I think I got a better, more well-rounded education than you did. I had to memorize spelling lists. I learned some geography. I learned how to do long division the hard way - by repetitive exercise. My parents got a better education than I did, for that matter. My dad learned Greek and Latin in high school*.
You may consider this kind of knowledge irrelevant ("I can get it on the web" or your statement above about spellcheckers) but I have to tell you - these things have saved my bacon in the business world more times than I can count. The fact that students today lack these skills can only be to their detriment. To put it quite simply - people who do not have these skills work for me. People who do have these skills, I work for.
There is also the argument that hard study of rote topics tends to discipline the mind. I agree with this.
* This is not totally favoring the schools of the 50s and 60s, however. My father didn't have the benefit of phonics education which did in fact improve my reading comprehension at an early age.
Very hard to say. 25 years ago the personal computer didn't exist. The game console was in its infancy. It's practically impossible to compare entertainment of 25 years ago to today, and come out with a rational conclusion on the intelligence of the people.
I suppose my own personal experience would be far too unscientific for your purposes, but perhaps a full study will someday be conducted to validate this.
I have a few data points.
-Recalibration of SAT -Nature of textbooks, then and now -Trivial facts retained by those schooled in the 1960-75 period versus now - the word inertia comes to mind. Try that on a smattering of people schooled today and see how many correct responses you get. -Geographical knowledge demonstrated by age group -Nature of amusements - compare board games and pencil/paper RPGs to the lowest common denominator video games of today in terms of brainpower required for comprehension.
We could go on, but maybe my view is skewed because I was alive then, as now, and see the differences clearly.
Now here we have a classic examples of a "the common people are so stupid" post. Its a variation of the often seen bandwagon post. In this instance, a reader sees a condescending remark about the intelligence of the average person and thinks, "You know, he's right, the common people are so stupid. Sigh". The sense of belonging and increased self-esteem are defense mechanisms. The poster posting the message and the reader agreeing with it are exhibiting subconscious methods of bravery in an uncertain world. By creating an artificial bond of perceived intellectual superiority, all involved gain a temporary confidence.
All true, but that does not negate the truthfulness of the parent poster's statement. The population is dumbed down. How it happened is more complex than just video games - the educational system played its part as well, but people are less well educated today than 25 years ago and it shows in their amusements.
Dude I used to settle liability claims (PD and BI) - mostly bus accidents and truck mishaps for companies like JB Hunt and Schneider National.
Of course litigation isn't the best answer, but when one party tries to mitigate damages inappropriately, it is the _only_ solution. I doubt Netgear/Bay would offer sufficient compensation in this case. As for judging how much it was worth, i'd have to see a lot more information but it's probably worth more than a couple switches or 10 computers.
Of course there is liability - liability means that 'is Party X responsible for the damage'. Netgear quite clearly was responsible for the damage. Even if they allege negligence on the part of their employee, it hardly matters: Netgear had a duty to assure that the software would not cause material harm to others. This is a classic product liability case, far as I can see.
As for the damages, those are somewhat vague. Sure, maybe they could be made to pay for the bandwidth used. The big hit would probably be punitive damages unrelated to the actual loss.
This would be a fun case and I would encourage them to sue. So many frivolous lawsuits floating around - this one would actually have some merit.
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I'll match your 20 and say that he already owns tax haven real estate - Bermuda, Caymans, whatever.
Incidentally the seven mile beach on Grand Cayman is just beautiful. I had the joy of spending 3 days there in 1999 - working mostly, but using the boss's condo about 15 feet from the beach.
I think deathmatch has done a lot for my hand-eye coordination, at the very least.
I dunno about my hearing however. What was that?
Some reasons?
How about Prodigy and Compuserve back when (89 or so)
I had the joy of working on one of the initial Prodigy stores. A big black notebook of data definitions and a guided tour of IBM headquarters in Armonk. Then I went back to my cube in Jersey and wrote some HLL CUA text interface shit.
Fun times. IT was a great business back then.
If they want to take a chance and tax a warder, let them try :)
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He'll just have his Aes Sedai pay the freight (or make some diced state revenue guys). I wonder what Lanfear would do.
This is what happens when you put revenue collection into the hands of bureaucrats.
This was one of the points that the founders had in making the House of Representatives be responsible for all government spending - ie, they would have to answer to voters for their idiocy.
Too bad we are all such idiots we can't make heads or tails of the crap they do up there.
Stuff like this makes me lose hope in us as a country. What jerk would think that taxing networks would be a positive thing? Taxes are supposed to do two things - raise revenue and encourage behaviors that the government deems laudable. Hence the presence of things like tariffs to protect domestic industry, and tax benefits for home ownership and having children, because the government wants us all to be fruitful and multiply.
So what does a LAN tax do, exactly? Think it out...
Utter morons.
Incidentally I recommend NJ Cure. While they are a pain to deal with overall, you get a good rate and you are immune to most of the horseshit going on elsewhere in the insurance industry.
I wonder if the problem is cured if Vonage just stops offering service in Minnesota.
In a different field, auto insurance, most providers hate doing business in NJ because the state sucks - every 3 years the government gets a bug up its ass and changes the rules around because we have the highest (or near the highest) auto insurance rates in the country. So companies like State Farm, GEICO, Firemans Fund, etc have pulled out of New Jersey and do not offer policies here.
Sounds like a similar case brewing unless the MN PUC gets its act together.
I have seen at least two of these comparisons and no one seems to want to roll Mozilla's spam filter into the mix and compare it. Therefore, the comparisons are kind of useless to me. I am guessing I am not the only person using Moz either, for specifically this reason (ease of use for Bayesian filtering).
What's up with that? I know it's not a proxy, so the methodology is different than most of the products in the comparison. I'm very interested in how well the filter works however, compared to these other products.
My favorite quote on this topic comes from the character played by Burt Lancaster in the movie "Atlantic City". Looking out at the ocean he comments "You should have seen the ocean back then, it was something."
Imbecile!
Note the case in point above. I like offering a proof of my theory occasionally.
Seriously dude, you should stop taking it so personally and evaluate the claim objectively.
I haven't agreed with someone so much in ages. You are dead on. If there were only one valid use for OSS, this would be it.
(Obviously there is more than one)
I have one question for you: what is your shoe size? heh
Seriously, you should have some mod points soon - and will promptly lose them due to m2 by the same idiots who do the initial m1 mods.
I would consider something like this, bent into a circular pattern.
We use this in one of my closets to provide a feed from the ceiling to a rack with a patch panel. We had moved the rack 4' to the left and we needed something to bring the ceiling stuff down to the new rack. We used fittings with tek screws and wire ties to hold it firmly in place and linked it into the drop ceiling framework as well for additional stability.
I could see doing something like that here between the stainless shelving units. Other adequate solutions could be arrived at. Also, the snake tray probably cost us $150 tops.
What a mess of cables! I understand they were hitting a price point, but would it have killed them to spring $500 or so for a cable management system?
There's something professional looking about having the cables look neat. On the other hand, maybe i'm just anal about things.
I see where you are going - I think they could have done both if they had had a mind to. I dont' think educators think that the 'old ways' of teaching grammar and spelling are worthwile nowadays though and I think they do the students a disservice by not giving them that familiar grounding.
You can always learn C++ in high school, no? I mean reading Julius Caesar is interesting and all but learning about classes and constructors won't kill you.
My complaint is at a more elementary (meaning grades 1-8) level. We didn't do spelling lists after I hit high school - we were expected to have learned that before.
Anyway I think we understand each other, thank you for the quality responses.
Uh huh. >>Nature of amusements - compare board games and pencil/paper RPGs to the lowest common denominator video games of today in terms of brainpower required for comprehension. I'm not qualified to speak on your earlier examples, but considering the fact that you are obviously of such high intelligence, one would think that you'd realize your example compares apples to oranges. Perhaps you should compare the lowest common denominator video games of today with lowest common denominator entertainment of 30 years ago . . . what might you wind up with? Perhaps the "skip-it"? Anyway, inertia is the tendency of objects at rest to remain at rest and objects in motion to remain in motion. (I grajumatated hi skool in 2001)
You misunderstand - the issue isn't intelligence, it's breadth of knowledge and quality of education. People didn't get theoretically less intelligent, they just don't get as much knowledge rammed inside their heads, or the stuff they get put in their heads doesn't prepare them adequately for the challenges facing them in adult life.
I have to train recent grads a lot in my job. I see the big holes left behind by their education - make no mistake, I had some holes too when I was breaking in, but they were less gaping and more easily repairable. They also had a certain logic to them - interacting with teams of adults in a productive fashion is something you aren't going to learn in school. Being unable to spell is another issue entirely.
Stop taking it so personally and evaluate the case objectively instead of trying to characterize it as an attack on your intelligence.
In regards games, I evaluate Monopoly or Risk played on a Friday night at home as being equivalent to a few hours in front of your favorite console. Which is more stimulating to the thought process? Which prepares you for a work environment better? The answer is obvious to me.
This seems to imply that board games and RPGs were as highly popular "then" as video games now. I don't know if that's true, as I was too young. In terms of the "geek" crowd, I wouldn't doubt it, but the conclusion is about the general public. One cannot discount that there are many activities you can do outside, like sports, that are still widely done today.
I would say in my experience that sports have equal or lesser (surprisingly) popularity now, but the kinds of sports that were played differ from today. You used to see more football and baseball/softball which are more strategic and require repetitive memorization of movements by an entire team. I see more basketball and soccer nowadays. These sports favor tactical improvisation. If I thought about it a little harder I could draw some conclusions from that.
In regards games - boardgames and rpgs were very popular in the late 70s-early 80's time frame. As omnipresent as videogames are today? Probably not, but very heavily used.
I don't think playing kick-the-can and stickball are indications of greater intellect. I have to say, I keep hearing this "the bar keeps being lowered" argument... but I know my parents never had to learn how to translate genetic code in high school. It's possible that my spelling and grammer aren't as clean (yay spellcheck), but I can recite more about genetics or modern computer technology than they ever will. It's my humble opinion that the focuses have changed, that's all.
I disagree strongly. I think I got a better, more well-rounded education than you did. I had to memorize spelling lists. I learned some geography. I learned how to do long division the hard way - by repetitive exercise. My parents got a better education than I did, for that matter. My dad learned Greek and Latin in high school*.
You may consider this kind of knowledge irrelevant ("I can get it on the web" or your statement above about spellcheckers) but I have to tell you - these things have saved my bacon in the business world more times than I can count. The fact that students today lack these skills can only be to their detriment. To put it quite simply - people who do not have these skills work for me. People who do have these skills, I work for.
There is also the argument that hard study of rote topics tends to discipline the mind. I agree with this.
* This is not totally favoring the schools of the 50s and 60s, however. My father didn't have the benefit of phonics education which did in fact improve my reading comprehension at an early age.
Very hard to say. 25 years ago the personal computer didn't exist. The game console was in its infancy. It's practically impossible to compare entertainment of 25 years ago to today, and come out with a rational conclusion on the intelligence of the people.
I suppose my own personal experience would be far too unscientific for your purposes, but perhaps a full study will someday be conducted to validate this.
I have a few data points.
-Recalibration of SAT
-Nature of textbooks, then and now
-Trivial facts retained by those schooled in the 1960-75 period versus now - the word inertia comes to mind. Try that on a smattering of people schooled today and see how many correct responses you get.
-Geographical knowledge demonstrated by age group
-Nature of amusements - compare board games and pencil/paper RPGs to the lowest common denominator video games of today in terms of brainpower required for comprehension.
We could go on, but maybe my view is skewed because I was alive then, as now, and see the differences clearly.
Now here we have a classic examples of a "the common people are so stupid" post. Its a variation of the often seen bandwagon post. In this instance, a reader sees a condescending remark about the intelligence of the average person and thinks, "You know, he's right, the common people are so stupid. Sigh". The sense of belonging and increased self-esteem are defense mechanisms. The poster posting the message and the reader agreeing with it are exhibiting subconscious methods of bravery in an uncertain world. By creating an artificial bond of perceived intellectual superiority, all involved gain a temporary confidence.
All true, but that does not negate the truthfulness of the parent poster's statement. The population is dumbed down. How it happened is more complex than just video games - the educational system played its part as well, but people are less well educated today than 25 years ago and it shows in their amusements.
Apparently the mods aren't Python fans tonight.
It got a chuckle from me though.
Dude I used to settle liability claims (PD and BI) - mostly bus accidents and truck mishaps for companies like JB Hunt and Schneider National.
Of course litigation isn't the best answer, but when one party tries to mitigate damages inappropriately, it is the _only_ solution. I doubt Netgear/Bay would offer sufficient compensation in this case. As for judging how much it was worth, i'd have to see a lot more information but it's probably worth more than a couple switches or 10 computers.
Of course there is liability - liability means that 'is Party X responsible for the damage'. Netgear quite clearly was responsible for the damage. Even if they allege negligence on the part of their employee, it hardly matters: Netgear had a duty to assure that the software would not cause material harm to others. This is a classic product liability case, far as I can see.
As for the damages, those are somewhat vague. Sure, maybe they could be made to pay for the bandwidth used. The big hit would probably be punitive damages unrelated to the actual loss.
This would be a fun case and I would encourage them to sue. So many frivolous lawsuits floating around - this one would actually have some merit.
That's really amazing, how unique we look amongst planets even with that gritty resolution.
Thanks, ask and ye shall receive I suppose.
How about turning the camera back towards us?
That ESA craft took a pic of the earth-moon system about 4 million km out - it would be fun to see what it looks like from Mars.
The resolution is probably too sucky to get much though.