Their phone calls were annoying, and after an experience with three consecutive rude customer service people back in 2000 I swore I would never do business with their consumer arm again.
My grandfather and uncle were both Western Electric engineers, so it's kind of in the family working for AT&T (their part went to Lucent). After the breakup it was all over for that company, they couldn't do anything right. PC marketing, Unix marketing, selling leased lines, every time I dealt with AT&T it was a hassle and they were inferior to their competition.
Disinfectant didn't work on everything, and _really_ didn't work on certain systems. Like, Type 01 error 'didn't work'. Disinfectant was regularly recommended against because of those problems.
Don't believe a list of 22, there were more variants than are listed.
I was there, I sat on the phone with hundreds of people cleaning up their computers in that time frame. No one is going to tell me that there were only 22 distinct Macintosh viruses and that Disinfectant cleaned them all in 1989 OR 1993.
Women were commenting to me later about how ugly her breast was. I agree. It wasn't arousing in the slightest, just kind of gross. That nipple clamp didn't help either. I prefer tits with no metal in them.
By the time YOU became aware of the existence of a Macintosh, maybe there was a free scanner, but the company I worked tech support for from 88-93 sold thousands of copies of Virex and NAV for the Mac, among other applications.
Why do you think most if not all tactical applications are producing a LIGHT version using COTS software - which isn't fucking Solaris, dumbass. It's Win32 or Linux, depending on program. Legacy shit is still Sun, but it's going away.
Hmm, who's the AC here - sounds like you're a Sun fanboy.
Ok, that's needlessly cryptic. Check out modern Army systems in publically available materials and you'll find only legacy stuff over 5 years old was based on a Solaris/Sun base.
It makes some broad brush statements about Java facilitating sales of Sun's big boxes. This just isn't so. Java had nothing to do with it. There was a time, early on in the commercialization of the Internet, that you bought Sun if you wanted a reliable web server. That's what sold Sun boxes. This is long over, however.
IBM Global Services pulled the plug on its Sun hosting somewhere around June 2001 - that was the first sign of things to come. A whole side of a huge server room populated with disconnected Sun boxes waiting for collection and ultimate resale, i'm sure. Did not bode well for Sun.
The Army is not using Sun boxes for critical systems anymore - the last dozen-odd projects I have seen have been Win32 or even Linux in basis. Lots of junk Sun equipment floating around, whether on Ebay or in storage closets.
The company is ultimately dead unless it reinvents itself - that is true enough. Saying that Java or R&D expenditures have anything to do with it is sophistry. The elimination of the value added associated with Sun's gear in real world applications is the reason why the company (as currently constituted) is doomed. There's just not enough difference between what they offer and what is offered for a much lower price point by other vendors.
They do have many quarters worth of cash to lose, of course. It isn't going to happen tomorrow, but they are rapidly becoming irrelevant, even if they still exist.
I can't fathom that one myself, then again my country flipped the bird to George III about 225 years ago, so I don't have to deal with it. I'm sure the Brits could fix it if they chose to, collectively.
Everyone talks about first-time unemployment claims, but very few take the time to track what happens to the unemployed over time. Ditto for outsourcing projects. Most of the ones i've heard of or been involved with were ultimately cancelled due to incongruent labor laws, time differences, language barriers, quality control issues, et al.
My favorite is the box cameras on the tables that have become endemic at weddings. I have seen tons of these 'action shots' and they aren't very good most of the time.
Of course, I don't help matters. At every wedding i've been to with one of these box cameras, I hide it in my pocket, go to the restroom, drop my pants and take a nice shot of my ass. I figure that's my little protest against bad amateur photography, or maybe I just want to gross out the bride when she gets them developed. I've been party to several manhunts trying to find the person who shot their ass. Never been nabbed.
The RIAA's publically visible lobbying activities are mostly intended for press consumption. The real lobbying happens on the phone and in those proverbial smoke-filled rooms.
It's an intricate dance of political cover for the compliant legislators.
Well, we know you are a card carrying left winger for advancing that tired argument. I've heard it many times, in many ways. It runs something along the lines of 'Communism would work if only the right people implemented it'.
EFF developed materials to inform online activists of the state of the law concerning their protest activities online. Set to be launched in summer, 2002, the website will augment presentations that EFF legal staff have given at several conferences of and about activists, including the 2002 Computers, Freedom & Privacy Conference, the Berkman Center's Cybertree Conference in May, 2002 and the Ruckus Society Tech Toolbox Camp in June, 2002.
EFF's legal team worked with Professor Anita Ramasastry and her students at the University of Washington and Nancy Chang of the Center for Constitutional Rights to develop the website and ongoing presentations.
Puh-leeeze. Left wing all the way!
As for the arguments presented - the RIAA claims their business is being wrecked by this. That's all that matters. The only counter-argument that would have any traction would be that the RIAA is lying, and no one is advancing that pov because no one has the credibility to do so.
I repeat: this is a lost cause and it's going to pass. Well, unless you can prove they are lying somehow. Almost impossible anyway.
Sure, joining an ultra-left wing organization like the EFF is very effective in combatting this type of legislation that has the freaking Democratic majority leader as one of the sponsors.
This one is a lost cause. You can't come up with an argument against it that sounds legitimate. It's going to pass.
After the court fights against the environmentalists and the people who don't want it 'in my backyard', it's perfectly understandable. Happens all the time.
Heh. You summarized my thoughts almost exactly. Jello is funny, but he's overly political and who wants to hear that kind of bullshit anyway once you get a taste of how meaningless political change is? Just gets the heart rate up to no effect.
All the bright eyed and bushy-tailed youth will be educated soon enough as to how pointless it all is.
I am a thoroughly lapsed Catholic. I barely believe in a God and I am diabetic. I'm fully conscious of the benefits of stem cell research. Just to establish my bonafides before I bother talking about this.
Someone who is reared and devotes their life to blind obedience to scripture is going to consider your reasoning process to be disingenuous. How do you arbitrarily draw a line between 'waste tissue' and 'baby' when you know that by taking action on your own, you are assuring that there is NO chance that that blastocyst will turn into a baby? The responsibility for the end of that pregnancy will always be upon you, not upon the 'will of God' or whatever. You can rationalize out that there was a 60% chance that it wouldn't have happened anyway, sure. That's not going to hold water with a religious zealot though. By interfering in the process, you are responsible for the consequences.
You could just as easily tell such a person that we should harvest organs from people in penitentiaries or euthanize the very old. To a tightly ordered mind, you could make a pragmatic argument for both of these just as easily as for abortion. This is why you get the slippery slope arguments.
The "I can do what I want with my body" argument is easily countered. If that were true, then why is suicide illegal?
Lastly, there is no right to privacy embodied in the Constitution of the United States. Roe v. Wade was a bad ruling and will be overturned eventually for that reason. I could just as easily say that since the Constitution didn't directly speak to it, I have a constitutional right to have sex daily. Come to think of it, maybe we could get the S.C to grant cert to that case...
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Plan 9 was part of the Lucent spinoff back in 1996.
They don't even have that anymore.
Their phone calls were annoying, and after an experience with three consecutive rude customer service people back in 2000 I swore I would never do business with their consumer arm again.
My grandfather and uncle were both Western Electric engineers, so it's kind of in the family working for AT&T (their part went to Lucent). After the breakup it was all over for that company, they couldn't do anything right. PC marketing, Unix marketing, selling leased lines, every time I dealt with AT&T it was a hassle and they were inferior to their competition.
Disinfectant didn't work on everything, and _really_ didn't work on certain systems. Like, Type 01 error 'didn't work'. Disinfectant was regularly recommended against because of those problems.
Don't believe a list of 22, there were more variants than are listed.
I was there, I sat on the phone with hundreds of people cleaning up their computers in that time frame. No one is going to tell me that there were only 22 distinct Macintosh viruses and that Disinfectant cleaned them all in 1989 OR 1993.
Women were commenting to me later about how ugly her breast was. I agree. It wasn't arousing in the slightest, just kind of gross. That nipple clamp didn't help either. I prefer tits with no metal in them.
You're on crack dude, there were tons of them.
By the time YOU became aware of the existence of a Macintosh, maybe there was a free scanner, but the company I worked tech support for from 88-93 sold thousands of copies of Virex and NAV for the Mac, among other applications.
In short, you are ill-informed.
No viruses, spyware, adware, easy to use.
Pick 2 out of 4, that's what Macintoshes were. Now, they are better, but back then they were more virus-ridden than DOS machines were.
Fond memories of the WDEF and other joyful Mac viruses.
back in the days when Apple was the darling of the education field. Now that it's Microsoft, however, it's bad.
Strange.
Hey, the lefties sandbagged your logical post. About par for the course.
They have a hard time handling any viewpoint other than their own.
Why do you think most if not all tactical applications are producing a LIGHT version using COTS software - which isn't fucking Solaris, dumbass. It's Win32 or Linux, depending on program. Legacy shit is still Sun, but it's going away.
Hmm, who's the AC here - sounds like you're a Sun fanboy.
Wonder who's full of shit.
Ok, that's needlessly cryptic. Check out modern Army systems in publically available materials and you'll find only legacy stuff over 5 years old was based on a Solaris/Sun base.
Go ahead.
I was the one disconnecting all the Sun boxes at one IGS facility - when we were done, the Sun boxes were carted off.
I can't and won't tell you how I know about the Army thing. Suffice to say it's a fact.
It makes some broad brush statements about Java facilitating sales of Sun's big boxes. This just isn't so. Java had nothing to do with it. There was a time, early on in the commercialization of the Internet, that you bought Sun if you wanted a reliable web server. That's what sold Sun boxes. This is long over, however.
IBM Global Services pulled the plug on its Sun hosting somewhere around June 2001 - that was the first sign of things to come. A whole side of a huge server room populated with disconnected Sun boxes waiting for collection and ultimate resale, i'm sure. Did not bode well for Sun.
The Army is not using Sun boxes for critical systems anymore - the last dozen-odd projects I have seen have been Win32 or even Linux in basis. Lots of junk Sun equipment floating around, whether on Ebay or in storage closets.
The company is ultimately dead unless it reinvents itself - that is true enough. Saying that Java or R&D expenditures have anything to do with it is sophistry. The elimination of the value added associated with Sun's gear in real world applications is the reason why the company (as currently constituted) is doomed. There's just not enough difference between what they offer and what is offered for a much lower price point by other vendors.
They do have many quarters worth of cash to lose, of course. It isn't going to happen tomorrow, but they are rapidly becoming irrelevant, even if they still exist.
I can't fathom that one myself, then again my country flipped the bird to George III about 225 years ago, so I don't have to deal with it. I'm sure the Brits could fix it if they chose to, collectively.
I'm sure someone in your line of ancestry did something bad.
Perhaps we should hold you accountable for that. It's about the same argument you are making here.
I'm suggesting that outsourcing to Canada has the same problems. Albeit lesser, but the same issues crop up.
Everyone talks about first-time unemployment claims, but very few take the time to track what happens to the unemployed over time. Ditto for outsourcing projects. Most of the ones i've heard of or been involved with were ultimately cancelled due to incongruent labor laws, time differences, language barriers, quality control issues, et al.
My favorite is the box cameras on the tables that have become endemic at weddings. I have seen tons of these 'action shots' and they aren't very good most of the time.
Of course, I don't help matters. At every wedding i've been to with one of these box cameras, I hide it in my pocket, go to the restroom, drop my pants and take a nice shot of my ass. I figure that's my little protest against bad amateur photography, or maybe I just want to gross out the bride when she gets them developed. I've been party to several manhunts trying to find the person who shot their ass. Never been nabbed.
The RIAA's publically visible lobbying activities are mostly intended for press consumption. The real lobbying happens on the phone and in those proverbial smoke-filled rooms.
It's an intricate dance of political cover for the compliant legislators.
Well, we know you are a card carrying left winger for advancing that tired argument. I've heard it many times, in many ways. It runs something along the lines of 'Communism would work if only the right people implemented it'.
The search continues for the 'right people'.
A brief quote from just one of the EFF's web pages
OnLine Activism
EFF developed materials to inform online activists of the state of the law concerning their protest activities online. Set to be launched in summer, 2002, the website will augment presentations that EFF legal staff have given at several conferences of and about activists, including the 2002 Computers, Freedom & Privacy Conference, the Berkman Center's Cybertree Conference in May, 2002 and the Ruckus Society Tech Toolbox Camp in June, 2002.
EFF's legal team worked with Professor Anita Ramasastry and her students at the University of Washington and Nancy Chang of the Center for Constitutional Rights to develop the website and ongoing presentations.
Puh-leeeze. Left wing all the way!
As for the arguments presented - the RIAA claims their business is being wrecked by this. That's all that matters. The only counter-argument that would have any traction would be that the RIAA is lying, and no one is advancing that pov because no one has the credibility to do so.
I repeat: this is a lost cause and it's going to pass. Well, unless you can prove they are lying somehow. Almost impossible anyway.
Sure, joining an ultra-left wing organization like the EFF is very effective in combatting this type of legislation that has the freaking Democratic majority leader as one of the sponsors.
This one is a lost cause. You can't come up with an argument against it that sounds legitimate. It's going to pass.
After the court fights against the environmentalists and the people who don't want it 'in my backyard', it's perfectly understandable. Happens all the time.
By the time you get done with environmental impact statements regarding the vibrant marine life in the East River, the cost goes up significantly.
Heh. You summarized my thoughts almost exactly. Jello is funny, but he's overly political and who wants to hear that kind of bullshit anyway once you get a taste of how meaningless political change is? Just gets the heart rate up to no effect.
All the bright eyed and bushy-tailed youth will be educated soon enough as to how pointless it all is.
I am a thoroughly lapsed Catholic. I barely believe in a God and I am diabetic. I'm fully conscious of the benefits of stem cell research. Just to establish my bonafides before I bother talking about this.
Someone who is reared and devotes their life to blind obedience to scripture is going to consider your reasoning process to be disingenuous. How do you arbitrarily draw a line between 'waste tissue' and 'baby' when you know that by taking action on your own, you are assuring that there is NO chance that that blastocyst will turn into a baby? The responsibility for the end of that pregnancy will always be upon you, not upon the 'will of God' or whatever. You can rationalize out that there was a 60% chance that it wouldn't have happened anyway, sure. That's not going to hold water with a religious zealot though. By interfering in the process, you are responsible for the consequences.
You could just as easily tell such a person that we should harvest organs from people in penitentiaries or euthanize the very old. To a tightly ordered mind, you could make a pragmatic argument for both of these just as easily as for abortion. This is why you get the slippery slope arguments.
The "I can do what I want with my body" argument is easily countered. If that were true, then why is suicide illegal?
Lastly, there is no right to privacy embodied in the Constitution of the United States. Roe v. Wade was a bad ruling and will be overturned eventually for that reason. I could just as easily say that since the Constitution didn't directly speak to it, I have a constitutional right to have sex daily. Come to think of it, maybe we could get the S.C to grant cert to that case...