Guess what ? I just saw a job listing TODAY for similar. C#, as a viable language, didn't exist 5 years ago. I remember when we got the very first Beta's of the.NET SDK. C# was just BARELY workable then...and that was in early-mid 2000.
Maybe it was in the process of being submitted to ECMA as a language, but it sure as hell didn't appear on 99.5% of our radars at that time.
Notice how my mouth didn't move when I said that ? Then again......I did it through clairvoyance. Some other person with insight ( yet not a lot of courage to name him/herself ) came out with it....AND IN JUST ONE SENTENCE !!!
Dude.....and the children that are hired by most U.S. clothing manufacturers are just "hired for the job".
Just because someone decries against corporate behavior, they're a liberal ? Don't be an idiot. I'm a Republican, and I understand "Busincess is business", but EVERYTHING has a point where, "Enough is enough". In this country, if it hadn't been for a "Liberal", many children would still be working today. The fact that many still do to help their families out is more of a failure on our part not to get them the education and encourage building family structures. But then again, you're probably the only putz who really thinks that Jessica Simpson actually waited until their wedding night to "give her all" to Nick Lachey. Get real..get in touch. If a company doesn't exhibit a soul, it WILL lose it's talent. And not just because it won't have folks who are loyal. An employee can be loyal, but be so, only as a matter of necessity, and not desire.
Loyality is a virtue that IMPLICITLY implies that there BE a reason to be so. Thinking that someone is loyal to a company because that company actually gives a rats a$$ is not only foolish, but naive. I know plenty of folks who are "loyal" to their job, JUST BECAUSE of the continued paycheck, nothing more. That is not what I ( and yes, it's just my opinion ) think that whomever came up with the word "Loyality" had in mind when they first thought up the word.
Not on your life ( nor mine for that matter ). The fact that the US has experienced the IPod and Blackberry's are no more an idication of a "tech bounceback" than the reintroduction of the HEMI V8 by Chrysler into the "Family Sedan" product line.
I will agree with you that this decade is already sizing up to be slanted in favor of the far east and india ( and to a lesser degree eastern europe as providers of educated outsourcing ).
Outsourcing is still going to outpace the rate at which prices drop for technology ( or who's manufacturing costs are lower because of product development outside of the U.S/Europe ). Walmart will probably have to raise prices this year in the double digits because ( and while I can't quote the actual article, I can say it was from the Forbes Dec '04 ) of increasing consumerism in China.
People think that tech is bouncing back ? I'll tell you when Tech is bouncing back, when my salary grows higher than the rate at which my health care costs do. THAT'S when tech will be bouncing back. You know that when you receive your first raise in three years, and the raise doesn't even cover the cost your medical insurance went up by, that there isn't such a thing as a "Tech Bounceback". Hence why I've started to do more side work.
When the jobs pay, that's when you'll see a real bounceback....and not before !
And before any of you H1B weenies come crawling out of the woodwork let me say this.....you know darn well that you've got a job that someone who's a citizen COULD DO, but wouldn't accept the MUCH LOWER THAN MARKET salary they offered YOU. That is the untold story that's missing from "Dude, who took my job?".
Now logged in.....
In addition, having discussed this very topic with a guy who works at the local CompU_A, I have to agree with Yourdon's assessment that folks better start not just thinking about diversifying both their educational and experienced-based backgrounds, but actually DOING it.
And we're just going to "trust" that those scholars didn't pepper the "interpretation" any ? If people squawk about the "translations" and "interpretations" of the bible ( or let's be more specific, the Talmud ), no reason why someone shouldn't question that translation's ( or transcripter, as you've made her sound like ) veracity.
Point taken...but just the same, when it gets to be as pervasive a problem that there are literally hundreds ( possibly thousands by now ) of court cases in immigration and divorce court over "misrepresentation" and "irreconcilable differences"....it kinda sets the cement a little sturdier in favor of my argument.
"And Uncle Sam loves having mexican slaves to do its dirty work."
It's because that sort of job doesn't require the technical expertise that a technical job does. I know plenty of "slave mexicans" who make a VERY good living NOT doing "the dirty work". Why, because they studied and took responsibility for themselves. One sits just on the other side of my office wall. Know a little bit about what you're talking about instead of spouting BullHockey.
"Software just happens to be higher paying and H1 people are not illegal."
Wrong...I've seen job posting just like that...and they're CERTAINLY NOT phrased the way you're implying. As a matter of fact, at any given day, you can go on Monster, HotJobs, Dice, etc..etc.. and you WILL find just posted with phrasing PRECISELY as the parent poster described it....Multiples in fact...
Guess what ? That they do....that's the lie. And, if the U.S. Dept of Labor came to my employer right now, they'd see it.
I saw a job posting in the "lunch room" for a J2EE certified programmer position that you'll see elsewhere listed in the 70's-80's range....don't even ASK me what they were listed as the "prevailing" salary.
Oh yeah ? Urban Legend ? I guess we have a WHOLOE LOT of Urban Legends at my company where the number of US Citizens to H1B's is 1 US Citz to 2 H1B's.....and you're going to tell me we can't find good C++ programmers ? You're going to tell me we can't find good Java programmers ? Oh please...get real. The only "Urban Legend" is that H1B's bring "value" to the table.
You know...if it weren't for the fact that you're already modded up....I'd hire one of those H1B's to hack into/.'s database, JUST to mod you up.
What ? I was only trying to help.
As a matter of...I'll go you one further. Not only should there be a tariff on imported work, but there should also be a clause that while an H1B is here, they cannot be part of a company 401K ( since after all, they're already considered "temporary" by the mere nature of their immigration status ). Secondly, any money that they don't spend in this country, must be kept in a non-withdrawal account for 5 years AFTER their H1B has expired.
And Guess, what...I'm a REPUBLICAN....Try that one on for size.
"Is it really so hard to believe that 2 people in separate countries can be interested in each other without some hidden motive?"
Obviously you've never watched America's Most Wanted, where a "Russian Bride" bumped off her "Fat Cat" American Hubby.
Remember, "stereotypes" in many cases, got to be that way because there WAS ( and in many cases still is/are ) evidence to support it. I'm not saying ALL stereotypes are like this, but people coming to this country using a citizen just to get a green card ?
Oh please, the subject isn't "Romantic Comedy" like the movie of the same name ( Green Card with Gerard Depardieu ), it's REAL. It's not to say it can't happen, just that more often than not, it's not "for love".
Where exactly in Florida ? Because I'll tell you right now that they haven't been coming to South Florida.
We've got more H1B's per capita than you can shake a stick at. Right now, I think I'm one of less than a handful who are US Citz, the rest here are H1B's. And believe me, there were more than enough people locally to perform these jobs.
It's not a matter of NOT finding people to perform the job, it's a matter of companies not finding people to do the job FOR WHAT the companies feel like paying. Never mind you that there are plenty of qualified candidates, don't be fooled, there are. Companies will use the boo-hoo-hoo excuse to not provide higher compensation packages.
There ARE people out there to do the job, that CAN do the job, companies just don't feel they're worth it. And frankly, the excuse of comparing a BS ( or higher ) educated CompSci individual with a migrant farm worker, is not only ridiculous...it's getting old. Detractors....find a better analogy. I doubt you will, but by all means, knock yourselves out trying.
And for those "chosen" few. You can STILL be a Republican, and speak up about Outsourcing being as major an issue as is "Homeland Security". If you don't get it, you just don't. Don't worry, the rest of us won't hold it against you. We're just as responsible as the rest of us in the GOP, we just don't feel like giving up our jobs.
That comment has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I said. While I agree with your assessment of folks who take their sick kids to the movies, or the grocery store ( even worse ), just don't forget you were once a dirty behind the ears little snot.
The rest of will remind you when you have one of your own. And should you choose not to partake, great, less "counter nature" genes we'll have floating around in the gene pool.
How nazi of you. If you hate kids that much, great. Don't have any. However, should on one of your moon-lit romps you happen to half-stupored engender one such unfortunate, do the right thing and actually PAY your child support, rather than making the system have to hunt you down.
That aside, carry on like a "good little nazi" that you are.
Not until you compensate me for staying up past midnight FROM HOME with a coughing child, while fixing the bugs YOU introduced into the system.
I suppose my son will come looking to you for compensating him when you get to be my age, and YOU have to run because your wife says "You won't believe what YOUR son just did !".
"I realize slashdot folks spend more time bashing management then supporting but this is a rediculous statement. Of course companies cannot run with only management but to think management doesn't do any work is completely wrong."
Boy, you're as clueless as much as you are a bad speller. You obviously haven't met over 80% of management in this country. What ? You though that the "Peter Principle" was the concept of the office tootsie doing the boss to get a promotion. Wrong,it's the process whereby THAT clown got to BE in the position where the office tootsie would be giving him a knob job for free. But I digress, since it's always the 20% of the good managers that end up paying for the sins of the restant ( Yes, it's a word you moron, look it up ).
"As long as we Americans strive to live in excess we will work in excess."
You know what, you might've started to make just a scintilla of sense, up until you dumped this euro-trash notion of "Conformity". Wake up and smell the quagmyre putz. The wholeidea of the United States was to NOT conform. It was to WORK HARD, and REAP....yes..actually RECEIVE COMPENSATION, for that labor. I don't doubt that any of those folks really DIDN'T necessarily want to put in the hours..IFF ( that's IF and ONLY IF, for you Discrete Math weenies ) there is ( say it with me kids )...COM-PEN-SATION. The case is that clearly the vast majority of folks weren't being compensated for it. What EA and many other employers are espousing today is that it's OK to operate your programmers/developer/engineers are though they ARE working in a sweatshop. Guess what ? We're not. It's not.
Just like an earlier poster said..I throw right back at him......
Get over it. You can't have your twice weekly round of golf with the CEO from "OtherSoft". You have to pay for your own damn expenses ( gimme back that cell phone with 3000 minutes you spend talking to your mistress on anyway ). You can't have you super inflated stock options whenever you want, because hereafter, the rank and file, not the stock holders will be voting on what stock options, if any, you can have. Oh, that's right, we'll have no dumping of those options immediately, you have to hang on to them for a minimum of two years, and you must retain 50% of them for two years AFTER you've left our hallowed halls for supposed shinier digs at "OtherSoft".
I dare say that the stock holders will get a MUCH fairer shake on their investment if the people actually DOING the work they helped fund, than if they heard all the pumped plans, overbloating expectations that are already on anorexic schedules ( no offense meant to those afflicted by this malady ).
And furthermore, ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, you cannot have the prettiest girl in the office reporting to you directly. At least not until you post pictures of your kids, your wife, your mother, and your MOTHER-IN-LAW, all within plain sight of HER desk.
Any questions ? Yes, sign there on the dotted line. Oh, how silly of me, here's a lancet. What ? No one told you that you had to sign in blood ? Ha, ha, ha, those funny, crazy folks in the back office, such kidders....nobody at "Euthenasia Artists" uses pens for legal documents anymore.
Guess what...there's a republican or two around here who actually AGREE with "some" of what Mr. Kerry was suggesting....Frankly, I'd rather see W fix the outsourcing stab wound on the economy, rather than Tort Reform.
"Any attempts at protectionism only make things worse, since imposing tariffs gets you matching tariffs from everyone else, and no modern nation's economy can survive having the world's markets closed to it (that's why embargoes are such a devastating punitive measure in world diplomacy)."
Are you smoking Rose Petals or what? Why do you think the Chinese tried so hard to GET "Most Favored Nation" status ? For their people's health ? Hell no, it's because an embargo imposed on them KEPT them cycled down. Sure with the EU things are a bit different matter. But by any measure the U.S. economy drives much of the world economy. Not the other way around.
" As big as our economy may be, the world's is bigger still, and we need it a lot more than it needs us."
Not only is that naive of economics theory, but naive about societies in general.....ever heard of "General Dynamics" ( the subject that the main character in "A Beautiful Mind" developed. I can't remember his name....the man was a Nobel Laureate ). IF you FSCK with one of the cornerstones of a building, you're FSCKing with the building as a whole. If you chip away at the U.S. economy, you are in essence chipping away at the world economy. As soon as morons like you start using those excess neurons to realize this, MAYBE you can contribute, until then, sit down in the peanut gallery, shut up, and continue eating your popcorn while the rest of us try to get something done.
There you go making an A$$ of yourself assuming. Did anyone say that they had a gaggle of children, 2 dogs, 3 cats, and multiple SUV's ? No, they didn't.
Stop generalizing, take things on a case by case basis, or stop bstching, and put that kindy-garten lollipop back in your mouth. Moron.
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Guess what ? I just saw a job listing TODAY for similar. C#, as a viable language, didn't exist 5 years ago. I remember when we got the very first Beta's of the .NET SDK. C# was just BARELY workable then...and that was in early-mid 2000.
Maybe it was in the process of being submitted to ECMA as a language, but it sure as hell didn't appear on 99.5% of our radars at that time.
Notice how my mouth didn't move when I said that ? Then again......I did it through clairvoyance. Some other person with insight ( yet not a lot of courage to name him/herself ) came out with it....AND IN JUST ONE SENTENCE !!!
Kudos to that unseen coward !
Dude.....and the children that are hired by most U.S. clothing manufacturers are just "hired for the job".
Just because someone decries against corporate behavior, they're a liberal ? Don't be an idiot. I'm a Republican, and I understand "Busincess is business", but EVERYTHING has a point where, "Enough is enough". In this country, if it hadn't been for a "Liberal", many children would still be working today. The fact that many still do to help their families out is more of a failure on our part not to get them the education and encourage building family structures. But then again, you're probably the only putz who really thinks that Jessica Simpson actually waited until their wedding night to "give her all" to Nick Lachey. Get real..get in touch. If a company doesn't exhibit a soul, it WILL lose it's talent. And not just because it won't have folks who are loyal. An employee can be loyal, but be so, only as a matter of necessity, and not desire.
Loyality is a virtue that IMPLICITLY implies that there BE a reason to be so. Thinking that someone is loyal to a company because that company actually gives a rats a$$ is not only foolish, but naive. I know plenty of folks who are "loyal" to their job, JUST BECAUSE of the continued paycheck, nothing more. That is not what I ( and yes, it's just my opinion ) think that whomever came up with the word "Loyality" had in mind when they first thought up the word.
Not on your life ( nor mine for that matter ). The fact that the US has experienced the IPod and Blackberry's are no more an idication of a "tech bounceback" than the reintroduction of the HEMI V8 by Chrysler into the "Family Sedan" product line.
I will agree with you that this decade is already sizing up to be slanted in favor of the far east and india ( and to a lesser degree eastern europe as providers of educated outsourcing ).
Outsourcing is still going to outpace the rate at which prices drop for technology ( or who's manufacturing costs are lower because of product development outside of the U.S/Europe ). Walmart will probably have to raise prices this year in the double digits because ( and while I can't quote the actual article, I can say it was from the Forbes Dec '04 ) of increasing consumerism in China.
People think that tech is bouncing back ? I'll tell you when Tech is bouncing back, when my salary grows higher than the rate at which my health care costs do. THAT'S when tech will be bouncing back. You know that when you receive your first raise in three years, and the raise doesn't even cover the cost your medical insurance went up by, that there isn't such a thing as a "Tech Bounceback". Hence why I've started to do more side work.
When the jobs pay, that's when you'll see a real bounceback....and not before !
And before any of you H1B weenies come crawling out of the woodwork let me say this.....you know darn well that you've got a job that someone who's a citizen COULD DO, but wouldn't accept the MUCH LOWER THAN MARKET salary they offered YOU. That is the untold story that's missing from "Dude, who took my job?".
Now logged in..... In addition, having discussed this very topic with a guy who works at the local CompU_A, I have to agree with Yourdon's assessment that folks better start not just thinking about diversifying both their educational and experienced-based backgrounds, but actually DOING it.
And we're just going to "trust" that those scholars didn't pepper the "interpretation" any ? If people squawk about the "translations" and "interpretations" of the bible ( or let's be more specific, the Talmud ), no reason why someone shouldn't question that translation's ( or transcripter, as you've made her sound like ) veracity.
Interpretation of the Tao Te Ching ? That answers that. Anyone who tries to make a concrete "interpretation" of that is bound to be a little fruity.
Sure, Sure, that pisses off some of you...but just because your undies are all up in a bunch, doesn't mean that it's not true.
Perhaps it's more of a sign that I should go into business for myself.
Point taken...but just the same, when it gets to be as pervasive a problem that there are literally hundreds ( possibly thousands by now ) of court cases in immigration and divorce court over "misrepresentation" and "irreconcilable differences"....it kinda sets the cement a little sturdier in favor of my argument.
"And Uncle Sam loves having mexican slaves to do its dirty work."
It's because that sort of job doesn't require the technical expertise that a technical job does. I know plenty of "slave mexicans" who make a VERY good living NOT doing "the dirty work". Why, because they studied and took responsibility for themselves. One sits just on the other side of my office wall. Know a little bit about what you're talking about instead of spouting BullHockey.
"Software just happens to be higher paying and H1 people are not illegal."
It's not illegal.....yet.
So you're the putz they hired ! Nevermind that there were 5 other guys who had double your experience.
Wrong...I've seen job posting just like that...and they're CERTAINLY NOT phrased the way you're implying. As a matter of fact, at any given day, you can go on Monster, HotJobs, Dice, etc..etc.. and you WILL find just posted with phrasing PRECISELY as the parent poster described it....Multiples in fact...
Guess what ? That they do....that's the lie. And, if the U.S. Dept of Labor came to my employer right now, they'd see it.
I saw a job posting in the "lunch room" for a J2EE certified programmer position that you'll see elsewhere listed in the 70's-80's range....don't even ASK me what they were listed as the "prevailing" salary.
I meant "WHOLE" not "WHOLOE". Serves me right for typing at 150wpm.
Oh yeah ? Urban Legend ? I guess we have a WHOLOE LOT of Urban Legends at my company where the number of US Citizens to H1B's is 1 US Citz to 2 H1B's.....and you're going to tell me we can't find good C++ programmers ? You're going to tell me we can't find good Java programmers ? Oh please...get real. The only "Urban Legend" is that H1B's bring "value" to the table.
You know...if it weren't for the fact that you're already modded up....I'd hire one of those H1B's to hack into /.'s database, JUST to mod you up.
What ? I was only trying to help.
As a matter of...I'll go you one further. Not only should there be a tariff on imported work, but there should also be a clause that while an H1B is here, they cannot be part of a company 401K ( since after all, they're already considered "temporary" by the mere nature of their immigration status ). Secondly, any money that they don't spend in this country, must be kept in a non-withdrawal account for 5 years AFTER their H1B has expired.
And Guess, what...I'm a REPUBLICAN....Try that one on for size.
"Is it really so hard to believe that 2 people in separate countries can be interested in each other without some hidden motive?"
Obviously you've never watched America's Most Wanted, where a "Russian Bride" bumped off her "Fat Cat" American Hubby.
Remember, "stereotypes" in many cases, got to be that way because there WAS ( and in many cases still is/are ) evidence to support it. I'm not saying ALL stereotypes are like this, but people coming to this country using a citizen just to get a green card ?
Oh please, the subject isn't "Romantic Comedy" like the movie of the same name ( Green Card with Gerard Depardieu ), it's REAL. It's not to say it can't happen, just that more often than not, it's not "for love".
Where exactly in Florida ? Because I'll tell you right now that they haven't been coming to South Florida.
We've got more H1B's per capita than you can shake a stick at. Right now, I think I'm one of less than a handful who are US Citz, the rest here are H1B's. And believe me, there were more than enough people locally to perform these jobs.
It's not a matter of NOT finding people to perform the job, it's a matter of companies not finding people to do the job FOR WHAT the companies feel like paying. Never mind you that there are plenty of qualified candidates, don't be fooled, there are. Companies will use the boo-hoo-hoo excuse to not provide higher compensation packages.
There ARE people out there to do the job, that CAN do the job, companies just don't feel they're worth it. And frankly, the excuse of comparing a BS ( or higher ) educated CompSci individual with a migrant farm worker, is not only ridiculous...it's getting old. Detractors....find a better analogy. I doubt you will, but by all means, knock yourselves out trying.
And for those "chosen" few. You can STILL be a Republican, and speak up about Outsourcing being as major an issue as is "Homeland Security". If you don't get it, you just don't. Don't worry, the rest of us won't hold it against you. We're just as responsible as the rest of us in the GOP, we just don't feel like giving up our jobs.
That comment has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I said. While I agree with your assessment of folks who take their sick kids to the movies, or the grocery store ( even worse ), just don't forget you were once a dirty behind the ears little snot.
The rest of will remind you when you have one of your own. And should you choose not to partake, great, less "counter nature" genes we'll have floating around in the gene pool.
How nazi of you. If you hate kids that much, great. Don't have any. However, should on one of your moon-lit romps you happen to half-stupored engender one such unfortunate, do the right thing and actually PAY your child support, rather than making the system have to hunt you down.
That aside, carry on like a "good little nazi" that you are.
Not until you compensate me for staying up past midnight FROM HOME with a coughing child, while fixing the bugs YOU introduced into the system.
I suppose my son will come looking to you for compensating him when you get to be my age, and YOU have to run because your wife says "You won't believe what YOUR son just did !".
"I realize slashdot folks spend more time bashing management then supporting but this is a rediculous statement. Of course companies cannot run with only management but to think management doesn't do any work is completely wrong."
Boy, you're as clueless as much as you are a bad speller. You obviously haven't met over 80% of management in this country. What ? You though that the "Peter Principle" was the concept of the office tootsie doing the boss to get a promotion. Wrong,it's the process whereby THAT clown got to BE in the position where the office tootsie would be giving him a knob job for free. But I digress, since it's always the 20% of the good managers that end up paying for the sins of the restant ( Yes, it's a word you moron, look it up ).
"As long as we Americans strive to live in excess we will work in excess."
You know what, you might've started to make just a scintilla of sense, up until you dumped this euro-trash notion of "Conformity". Wake up and smell the quagmyre putz. The wholeidea of the United States was to NOT conform. It was to WORK HARD, and REAP....yes..actually RECEIVE COMPENSATION, for that labor. I don't doubt that any of those folks really DIDN'T necessarily want to put in the hours..IFF ( that's IF and ONLY IF, for you Discrete Math weenies ) there is ( say it with me kids )...COM-PEN-SATION. The case is that clearly the vast majority of folks weren't being compensated for it. What EA and many other employers are espousing today is that it's OK to operate your programmers/developer/engineers are though they ARE working in a sweatshop. Guess what ? We're not. It's not.
Just like an earlier poster said..I throw right back at him......
Get over it. You can't have your twice weekly round of golf with the CEO from "OtherSoft". You have to pay for your own damn expenses ( gimme back that cell phone with 3000 minutes you spend talking to your mistress on anyway ). You can't have you super inflated stock options whenever you want, because hereafter, the rank and file, not the stock holders will be voting on what stock options, if any, you can have. Oh, that's right, we'll have no dumping of those options immediately, you have to hang on to them for a minimum of two years, and you must retain 50% of them for two years AFTER you've left our hallowed halls for supposed shinier digs at "OtherSoft".
I dare say that the stock holders will get a MUCH fairer shake on their investment if the people actually DOING the work they helped fund, than if they heard all the pumped plans, overbloating expectations that are already on anorexic schedules ( no offense meant to those afflicted by this malady ).
And furthermore, ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, you cannot have the prettiest girl in the office reporting to you directly. At least not until you post pictures of your kids, your wife, your mother, and your MOTHER-IN-LAW, all within plain sight of HER desk.
Any questions ? Yes, sign there on the dotted line. Oh, how silly of me, here's a lancet. What ? No one told you that you had to sign in blood ? Ha, ha, ha, those funny, crazy folks in the back office, such kidders....nobody at "Euthenasia Artists" uses pens for legal documents anymore.
Welcome aboard.
Guess what...there's a republican or two around here who actually AGREE with "some" of what Mr. Kerry was suggesting....Frankly, I'd rather see W fix the outsourcing stab wound on the economy, rather than Tort Reform.
"Any attempts at protectionism only make things worse, since imposing tariffs gets you matching tariffs from everyone else, and no modern nation's economy can survive having the world's markets closed to it (that's why embargoes are such a devastating punitive measure in world diplomacy)."
Are you smoking Rose Petals or what? Why do you think the Chinese tried so hard to GET "Most Favored Nation" status ? For their people's health ? Hell no, it's because an embargo imposed on them KEPT them cycled down. Sure with the EU things are a bit different matter. But by any measure the U.S. economy drives much of the world economy. Not the other way around.
" As big as our economy may be, the world's is bigger still, and we need it a lot more than it needs us."
Not only is that naive of economics theory, but naive about societies in general.....ever heard of "General Dynamics" ( the subject that the main character in "A Beautiful Mind" developed. I can't remember his name....the man was a Nobel Laureate ). IF you FSCK with one of the cornerstones of a building, you're FSCKing with the building as a whole. If you chip away at the U.S. economy, you are in essence chipping away at the world economy. As soon as morons like you start using those excess neurons to realize this, MAYBE you can contribute, until then, sit down in the peanut gallery, shut up, and continue eating your popcorn while the rest of us try to get something done.
There you go making an A$$ of yourself assuming. Did anyone say that they had a gaggle of children, 2 dogs, 3 cats, and multiple SUV's ? No, they didn't.
Stop generalizing, take things on a case by case basis, or stop bstching, and put that kindy-garten lollipop back in your mouth. Moron.