I don't believe Mundie/Microsoft made any such direct remarks about Linus...
Read it again, then.
Allchin destroyed his intellectual reputation and public character by saying this script. Mundie just did the same. That needs to happen to every Microsoft mouthpiece who does. Their managers may become reluctant to fall on their swords.
This is an attempt to get politicians to enshrine Microsoft's business practices, and to convert them from crimes to duties. It must be stopped. Microsoft wants to be the Government of the Internet -- including taxation.
It's true. I have an old Borland c++ for windows which shipped with the source and a bunch of MS internal documents on it. The source still had the UC Regents copyright (1988 or so) and no-advertising licence.
Windows users still get the bugs BSD fixed long ago.
It's just another means of breaking up the printing presses.
Governments' ideal is a crime that you cannot avoid commiting. That gives unlimited control of the activity by selective prosecution. ISP's will all be owned by a few who can purchase immunity and can be relied on to not annoy the government or any of it's friends.
I think that interview adds up to "We didn't really get it, so we sold out". Does anybody else recall the illegal copyright notices on their first distro?
How about thousands of class action suits, one in each local jurisdiction? Especially places where judges are elected.
Plaintiffs are everybody with such a hd, purchasers of content with such protection, maybe more. Local governments and school boards buy a lot of that sort of thing. I think they would jump at a chance to rake in punitive judgments of some deep pocketed defendants.
Spreading the suits over many jurisdictions simultaneously would spread the defendants leather-winged legions pretty thin. Each would need to spend tens of millions a day just to have legal ears in all those courtrooms.
Any lawyer could come up with dozens of complaints starting fom denial of fair use, damages to unrelated data by failure of backup utilities, digital wiretapping (digital sounds more sinister to joe public), quartering of their agents, the list goes on. They don't need to be that sound, legally, there just needs to be lots of them -- enough that each suit is a little different from the others.
Fight politics and greed with greed, sympathetic juries, politics, and votes. The public won't be jawboned into protecting its rights, but it will jump right in if there's money to be had.
Maybe this is a general method for knocking the zaibatsu out of their roost.
I don't know who first had the idea, but Robert W. Wood at Johns Hopkins developed mercury mirrors to a pretty high state about 100 years ago. There is a well known portrait photo of him with his face also showing in the mirror. It used to be in one of my textbooks.
Wood is also known for exposing the N-Ray delusion. X-, alpha, and beta radiation had just been discovered and a French physicist went hunting for French radiation. With a noisy experiment and a hopeful heart he found it, of course. Wood visited the lab. With sleight of hand he removed and replaced a "crucial" bit of the apparatus -- all without affecting the events the guy thought he observed.
Their headline quote was taken from a slashdot post and much of what they had to say seemed to suggest that userfriendly.org is in the process of "leveraging" their undeniably successful core product.
They don't have to get any agreement from publishers.
The libraries have subscriptions. They pay library rates, which means they get to allow the public to read them. They are making archival copies, for which there is ample case law all the way up to the Supreme Court. What exactly is the problem?
Of course if some dirtball buys a dirtball law and a dirtball judge, anything can happen. When that happens there will be no more libraries.
It means pi is more than the euclidean 3.14..., like what would happen if you measured your 2-d circle on the surface of a saddle. If you measured it on a ball it would be less.
Pinkerton's also ran Military Intellegence for the Union forces in the Civil War.
They were really bad at it too. They consistently inflated the numbers in the Confederate order of battle. Scared McClellan out of more than one victory.
Go to the copy shop. Make some high quality bound copies of the DeCSS source, with the copyright-GPL statement opposite the title page. Make it look good.
If you're able, write some exposition and commentary. Add your name as the author of a derivative work to the copyright page.
Donate them to every school and public library you can find.
If PATH includes ":." admin has DOS on the brain, doesn't know enough about UNIX yet.
Try listing the dirs in PATH. If you get "no permission" type message, admin thinks too well of obscurity, not enough of what you need to know. Same goes for/etc/lib*/usr/lib*. I've seen a couple where/usr/share was considered too precious to be used. A host set up that way will be running lots of stuff suid, or else it wouldn't run at all. That opens the possibility of exploits in programs which aren't ordinarily audited for security.
When you see these conditions it may just be a sandbox they've put your telnet session in. If so, that is still pointless obscurity at your -- the customer's -- expense.
Not telling the general public your host setup is one thing, not letting account holders find it out is another.
It must be a shock to Marketing, Public Relation, Legal, and all the other mired-in-the-80's departments, when port 80 and the email spools start glowing/. green and flame issues forth./.ers are the 15% of the market these guys know they have to have, the people whose friends take their advice on purchases.
We Are Not Lawyers, mostly, but we've seen that Bad Things Happen when bogus legal claims on other people's property are permitted to go unchallenged. I wonder if Corel would have even talked to Bruce Perens without the firestorm.
I think the main problem with GPL is that it is a contract which must be defended. If we are lax in doing so, our copyrights are not worth much. Kudos to Bruce Perens for taking point on that.
Adobe is actually putting money into the open source community for implementing XSL, which is a standard that will be helpful not just for Adobe, but for everyone who uses XML (read: the whole web community in the near-ish future). While they may be driving a standard that they will embrace, they certainly won't control it, and I'd say the overall effect for the online community will be positive.
W3C's XSL page says the competition was cancelled on June 18. I've found no other reference to that anywhere, so I dont blame you for not knowing. For Warnick to claim credit and encourage developers to work on it, as he does in the interview, is truly cynical and corrupt.
I can sure sympathize with this. Its not just a problem for net techs. This salary trap applies to lots of jobs.
I suggest exercising those stock options without cashing in. You get some extra consideration from the company -- how much depends on the company -- and you maybe get some justification for all those hours. Dividends don't amount to much as a percentage of current price, but they might be pretty attractive at the option price.
This isn't a solution of course, but it might help and it won't hurt.
Hmmmm... I wonder if all those silly scare stories in the TV news might be inspired by numbers like these. The TV networks must have known about this long before anyone made the results public.
Yep. If you go through the 18 claims, each is nothing but a description of what had been state of the art for years before the filing date.
You can't go after the companies that do this stuff directly; patents are issued to individuals, not companies. When James M. Janky signed that application, he was formally signing an affidavit that he had exercised diligence in confirming that each claim is new and original to him.
That's perjury I see in those claims.
If a company's lawyers keep landing its engineers in jail, the company won't survive long.
Will it happen? Naw, the lawyers get too much fun and profit in looting new industries.
Slashdot Mirror
Read it again, then.
Allchin destroyed his intellectual reputation and public character by saying this script. Mundie just did the same. That needs to happen to every Microsoft mouthpiece who does. Their managers may become reluctant to fall on their swords.
This is an attempt to get politicians to enshrine Microsoft's business practices, and to convert them from crimes to duties. It must be stopped. Microsoft wants to be the Government of the Internet -- including taxation.
Zax
Windows users still get the bugs BSD fixed long ago.
Zax
It's just another means of breaking up the printing presses.
Governments' ideal is a crime that you cannot avoid commiting. That gives unlimited control of the activity by selective prosecution. ISP's will all be owned by a few who can purchase immunity and can be relied on to not annoy the government or any of it's friends.
Zax
Zax
Plaintiffs are everybody with such a hd, purchasers of content with such protection, maybe more. Local governments and school boards buy a lot of that sort of thing. I think they would jump at a chance to rake in punitive judgments of some deep pocketed defendants.
Spreading the suits over many jurisdictions simultaneously would spread the defendants leather-winged legions pretty thin. Each would need to spend tens of millions a day just to have legal ears in all those courtrooms.
Any lawyer could come up with dozens of complaints starting fom denial of fair use, damages to unrelated data by failure of backup utilities, digital wiretapping (digital sounds more sinister to joe public), quartering of their agents, the list goes on. They don't need to be that sound, legally, there just needs to be lots of them -- enough that each suit is a little different from the others.
Fight politics and greed with greed, sympathetic juries, politics, and votes. The public won't be jawboned into protecting its rights, but it will jump right in if there's money to be had.
Maybe this is a general method for knocking the zaibatsu out of their roost.
--Zax
Or something like the same?
Zax
I don't know who first had the idea, but Robert W. Wood at Johns Hopkins developed mercury mirrors to a pretty high state about 100 years ago. There is a well known portrait photo of him with his face also showing in the mirror. It used to be in one of my textbooks.
Wood is also known for exposing the N-Ray delusion. X-, alpha, and beta radiation had just been discovered and a French physicist went hunting for French radiation. With a noisy experiment and a hopeful heart he found it, of course. Wood visited the lab. With sleight of hand he removed and replaced a "crucial" bit of the apparatus -- all without affecting the events the guy thought he observed.
Sorta like cold fusion, huh?
Zax
I bet Stef wrote that.
Zax
They don't have to get any agreement from publishers.
The libraries have subscriptions. They pay library rates, which means they get to allow the public to read them. They are making archival copies, for which there is ample case law all the way up to the Supreme Court. What exactly is the problem?
Of course if some dirtball buys a dirtball law and a dirtball judge, anything can happen. When that happens there will be no more libraries.
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Zax
Does this thing really think I want to send all the forms I fill out to AOL/Netscape/Time-Warner to keep safe for me? And over an insecure connection?
Maybe I just misunderstand the option, but it smells of fish.
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They were really bad at it too. They consistently inflated the numbers in the Confederate order of battle. Scared McClellan out of more than one victory.
Zax
The site's not all built, but Chapter 2 is there. It looks like it has enough hard science to be valuable, or at least refutable.
Zax
Go to the copy shop. Make some high quality bound copies of the DeCSS source, with the copyright-GPL statement opposite the title page. Make it look good.
If you're able, write some exposition and commentary. Add your name as the author of a derivative work to the copyright page.
Donate them to every school and public library you can find.
Zax
Rhetorical: If the news is just for selling soap, where does the real news come from?
Zax
In telnet, do:
$ echo $PATH
If PATH includes ":." admin has DOS on the brain, doesn't know enough about UNIX yet.
Try listing the dirs in PATH. If you get "no permission" type message, admin thinks too well of obscurity, not enough of what you need to know. Same goes for /etc /lib* /usr/lib*. I've seen a couple where /usr/share was considered too precious to be used. A host set up that way will be running lots of stuff suid, or else it wouldn't run at all. That opens the possibility of exploits in programs which aren't ordinarily audited for security.
When you see these conditions it may just be a sandbox they've put your telnet session in. If so, that is still pointless obscurity at your -- the customer's -- expense.
Not telling the general public your host setup is one thing, not letting account holders find it out is another.
Zax
heh heh
It must be a shock to Marketing, Public Relation, Legal, and all the other mired-in-the-80's departments, when port 80 and the email spools start glowing /. green and flame issues forth. /.ers are the 15% of the market these guys know they have to have, the people whose friends take their advice on purchases.
We Are Not Lawyers, mostly, but we've seen that Bad Things Happen when bogus legal claims on other people's property are permitted to go unchallenged. I wonder if Corel would have even talked to Bruce Perens without the firestorm.
I think the main problem with GPL is that it is a contract which must be defended. If we are lax in doing so, our copyrights are not worth much. Kudos to Bruce Perens for taking point on that.
--Zax--
This could get interesting.
It's tortoises all the way down, CmdrTaco. Want some recursive moderation code?
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Or somebody else's for that matter.
Zax -- Not A Lawyer.
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I can sure sympathize with this. Its not just a problem for net techs. This salary trap applies to lots of jobs.
I suggest exercising those stock options without cashing in. You get some extra consideration from the company -- how much depends on the company -- and you maybe get some justification for all those hours. Dividends don't amount to much as a percentage of current price, but they might be pretty attractive at the option price.
This isn't a solution of course, but it might help and it won't hurt.
Zax
--Zax
You can't go after the companies that do this stuff directly; patents are issued to individuals, not companies. When James M. Janky signed that application, he was formally signing an affidavit that he had exercised diligence in confirming that each claim is new and original to him.
That's perjury I see in those claims.
If a company's lawyers keep landing its engineers in jail, the company won't survive long.
Will it happen? Naw, the lawyers get too much fun and profit in looting new industries.
Zax