The media's been broadcasting calls for his overthrow for more than a year and he's just now responding by *taking them to court*.
Yes, calls for his exit have been shouted by everybody, from the media to the general public to the corporations. But let's make something clear, he is not *just* "responding them by *taking them to court*". If you paid more attention to the local media (and not the North American version of it) you will hear that the National Guards (under his command) have violently invaded some of the TV stations and completely *thrashed* installations (and broadcasting equipment such as receivers, repeaters, etc) to impose censorship. Threatening to kill journalists also if they insist on calling for him to step down.
Various opposition leaders who have been calling for his violent overthrow for about the same amount of time....
violent opposition????
We must be talking about a different opposition.
This [photo] is the one I am referring to. The one that is tired of being told what to do, tired of crime and hate. The one that is looking for a peaceful solution and calling for his resignation in a peaceful way. The one that gets killed when they hold these massive strikes (last I checked, you could still protest your government in a democracy, just like in BC with the Liberals not long ago)
The events of April 11th, 2002 (when he was *cough* ousted), where triggered by the merciless shooting (and killing) of peaceful protesters outside their White Palace. These Generals you mention are the ones that opposed to use their own soldiers against the people of Venezuela. They asked him for a resignation, and got it (in principle). Chavez changed his mind once he found out who his "traitors" were.
Let's examine some of the human rights violated:
Can you name the military officers which you claim were forced to retire?
Did you know that some of these top officers calling for his resignation were kidnapped and later found (about a week ago) with their hands tied, gagged, and killed execution style? Their families claim that the kidnappers spoke of being sent by Chavez.
Regarding the quote:
"On top of this, his office has violated the most human rights in a presidential term since the toppled dictatorship in '58."
I meant to for a Venezuelan President (I am not comparing him to other Presidents in other countries, just the ones in Venezuela)
PS I can send you more links of forums and pictures (of both sides of the argument if you want)
It's not just that my family got hit bad by the changes. (They are are worse than before, that's for sure) It's not that they are higher up the slope than I think (Yes, I did go to University, it's free!!!)
Define "your" poverty line and I will tell you if that makes my family fitting of that category; They are definitely not in the 20% percent of the "higher economic class" that's for sure. So by definition, that puts them in the remaining 80%.(and I am not trying to sound pessimistic)
If you believe that by spreading around the misery you are going to solve any problems, then I guess you have the rights to your own opinions but, with all due respect, I will again strongly disagree.
The problems are not solved by turning poor against rich, encouraging hate, and even racism (if you are of a fairer skin tone, you must be rich and you must be pestered, assaulted, even killed!!!) which is what he is doing. He is promoting hate as means to gain popularity.
What you call the "curse of oil" is what helped making free education (including post-secondary) and healthcare possible albeit not perfect. Oil brought in additional money and investors that was to be used to "grow" the country in all areas. Guess where the money went. The real problem there (and in many other countries) is corruption. It's that simple.
Chavez was supposed to eradicate corruption from the government and this is the main reason people trusted him (they were tired of the previous -and highly corrupt- "democratic" presidents). It turns out that his office is the most corrupt yet.
On top of this, his office has violated the most human rights in a presidential term since the toppled dictatorship in '58. His office has also had the benefits of higher Oil prices (compared to the '80s and '90s) and yet there is very little done with the extra incoming revenue.
Sure, he built a school here and fixed a road there (whooptee-doo!!!)
I am sorry but I am going to have to call this statement:
he is the first leader since the oil boom who has improved the standard of living for the majority of people living there, expanding the public health infrastructure, starting housing projects, and engaging in land reform.
complete bullshit!!!
I do not where you get your information but I get it straight from the horse's mouth as my family lives there.
I lived there for 20 years and, as I said, my family still lives there. We have never been well-to-do. If anything, we have always been very-low-middle class (because I could not consider myself poor when I had food on my table -sometimes just two meals a day- and a roof on my head).
My family's situation has not improved! Nobody's standard of living has improved. THEY ARE ONLY GETTING WORSE
When you lose any ability to educate yourself, freedom of expression, your job, social security, inflation and unemployment doubles and the right to use your own money (albeit in foreign currency, but still yours);
how can your claims be believed or even substantiated?
Please educate yourself in the matter before you make such *outrageous claims*
P.S. Let me know if you need actual examples of how things are getting worse over there (In fact the article that started the threat is one of many)
was elected to a six year term by 80% of the population.
should read
was elected to a six year term by 80% of the votes.
Take into account that only 40% of the voting population actually casted ballots and you realize that apathy actually got him the chair.
[ I am not sure about the numbers (80% or 40%) but it's roughly within the ball-park figures ]
Yeah, but people tend to do things like, I don't know, make copy of the CDs they opened, distribute them amongst friends and family, keep one copy for 'personal' use and STILL return the opened product for a refund (In other words, they get to keep the product for free)
It's no different than buying a Music CD in that sense. (You can always tape it and enjoy the music without paying for it if you then return it because you allegedly did not like the lyrics)
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the way EULAs are presented right now... But it is not unreasonable to see store policies like these ones to protect themselves from the 5%-10% of the people that scam them.
I guess just to compare how popular (or well-known) these cartoon characters are in Europe.
For those who have never heard of them, in this case mostly North Americans (since they make up a large portion of the slashdot readers) but also for those who, regardless of geographical location, do not know who these characters are...
The writer just wanted to indicate popularity and nothing more, IMHO...
However, the stuff I was referring to was the actual hard drive. You still have the right to inspect its contents and I do not believe this is inmoral (refering back to the original question here which was: is it moral to look at the HD's contents?)
Sure, you don't necessarily own the data contained in it (just like you don't own the credit card number found in the mag subscription receipt); but there is nothing inmoral (IMHO) in looking at (or inspecting) the goods purchased second hand.
Except, of course, that it's not somebody else's stuff anymore. It's YOURS after you buy it. I think you would have every right to look at (and inspect) everything you buy, specially second hand.
The neighbours trash can is not yours (it is still the neighbours). But when does the neighbour give up ownership of the items? Once the items are in the can or once the items left the can? (you can then claim finders-keepers I guess).
But say, for example, you buy an used car and after purchasing it you start cleaning it out and find a whole bunch of pr0n mags below the seat.
You open one mag up (of course =o) ) and find a credit card receipt for the susbcription payments. All the info you need is right there.
How is this inmoral?
Of course, the right thing to do is to shred the info (and toss the mags, if you must) and get on with using your car. It would be unethical to take advantage of the goodies you found.
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violent opposition???? We must be talking about a different opposition. This [photo] is the one I am referring to. The one that is tired of being told what to do, tired of crime and hate. The one that is looking for a peaceful solution and calling for his resignation in a peaceful way. The one that gets killed when they hold these massive strikes (last I checked, you could still protest your government in a democracy, just like in BC with the Liberals not long ago)
The events of April 11th, 2002 (when he was *cough* ousted), where triggered by the merciless shooting (and killing) of peaceful protesters outside their White Palace. These Generals you mention are the ones that opposed to use their own soldiers against the people of Venezuela. They asked him for a resignation, and got it (in principle). Chavez changed his mind once he found out who his "traitors" were.
Let's examine some of the human rights violated: Can you name the military officers which you claim were forced to retire? Did you know that some of these top officers calling for his resignation were kidnapped and later found (about a week ago) with their hands tied, gagged, and killed execution style? Their families claim that the kidnappers spoke of being sent by Chavez.
Regarding the quote: I meant to for a Venezuelan President (I am not comparing him to other Presidents in other countries, just the ones in Venezuela)
PS I can send you more links of forums and pictures (of both sides of the argument if you want)
It's not just that my family got hit bad by the changes. (They are are worse than before, that's for sure)
It's not that they are higher up the slope than I think (Yes, I did go to University, it's free!!!)
Define "your" poverty line and I will tell you if that makes my family fitting of that category; They are definitely not in the 20% percent of the "higher economic class" that's for sure. So by definition, that puts them in the remaining 80%.(and I am not trying to sound pessimistic)
If you believe that by spreading around the misery you are going to solve any problems, then I guess you have the rights to your own opinions but, with all due respect, I will again strongly disagree.
The problems are not solved by turning poor against rich, encouraging hate, and even racism (if you are of a fairer skin tone, you must be rich and you must be pestered, assaulted, even killed!!!) which is what he is doing. He is promoting hate as means to gain popularity.
What you call the "curse of oil" is what helped making free education (including post-secondary) and healthcare possible albeit not perfect. Oil brought in additional money and investors that was to be used to "grow" the country in all areas. Guess where the money went. The real problem there (and in many other countries) is corruption. It's that simple.
Chavez was supposed to eradicate corruption from the government and this is the main reason people trusted him (they were tired of the previous -and highly corrupt- "democratic" presidents). It turns out that his office is the most corrupt yet.
On top of this, his office has violated the most human rights in a presidential term since the toppled dictatorship in '58. His office has also had the benefits of higher Oil prices (compared to the '80s and '90s) and yet there is very little done with the extra incoming revenue.
Sure, he built a school here and fixed a road there (whooptee-doo!!!)
get it?
It's not just you bein late and everybody else being on time as *that* would be a problem for you...
It's the fact that everybody is late that makes it not soo bad (over there anyways)
cheersI do not where you get your information but I get it straight from the horse's mouth as my family lives there.
I lived there for 20 years and, as I said, my family still lives there. We have never been well-to-do. If anything, we have always been very-low-middle class (because I could not consider myself poor when I had food on my table -sometimes just two meals a day- and a roof on my head).
My family's situation has not improved! Nobody's standard of living has improved. THEY ARE ONLY GETTING WORSE
When you lose any ability to educate yourself, freedom of expression, your job, social security, inflation and unemployment doubles and the right to use your own money (albeit in foreign currency, but still yours);
how can your claims be believed or even substantiated?
Please educate yourself in the matter before you make such *outrageous claims*
P.S. Let me know if you need actual examples of how things are getting worse over there (In fact the article that started the threat is one of many)[ I am not sure about the numbers (80% or 40%) but it's roughly within the ball-park figures ]
Unfortunately, I can't seem to find (quickly) my links to the forums or best analysis I have read about the situation there
Maybe tomorrow I will send you more links (this should keep you busy for a litte bit anyway) ;o)
That my friends, is an understatement.
How do I know this? Well, I am from there ;o)
Excuse me, I must go a have a nap before I finish this post...
Excuse me, I must run off to chop off my cards....
Intel discovers that size isn't everything...
Yeah, but people tend to do things like, I don't know, make copy of the CDs they opened, distribute them amongst friends and family, keep one copy for 'personal' use and STILL return the opened product for a refund (In other words, they get to keep the product for free)
It's no different than buying a Music CD in that sense. (You can always tape it and enjoy the music without paying for it if you then return it because you allegedly did not like the lyrics)
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the way EULAs are presented right now... But it is not unreasonable to see store policies like these ones to protect themselves from the 5%-10% of the people that scam them.
IMHO, of course...
drinking buddies...
[Think Seinfield and Kramer's Laundromat episode... blah, never mind, it was funnier when I first thought of it]
they Opteron to delay-IT-orn...
At least this will give me more time to save more money...
(must have new CPU.... drool =P~)
cheers
I guess just to compare how popular (or well-known) these cartoon characters are in Europe.
For those who have never heard of them, in this case mostly North Americans (since they make up a large portion of the slashdot readers) but also for those who, regardless of geographical location, do not know who these characters are...
The writer just wanted to indicate popularity and nothing more, IMHO...
However, the stuff I was referring to was the actual hard drive. You still have the right to inspect its contents and I do not believe this is inmoral (refering back to the original question here which was: is it moral to look at the HD's contents?)
Sure, you don't necessarily own the data contained in it (just like you don't own the credit card number found in the mag subscription receipt); but there is nothing inmoral (IMHO) in looking at (or inspecting) the goods purchased second hand.
I stand corrected... thank you
Except, of course, that it's not somebody else's stuff anymore.
It's YOURS after you buy it. I think you would have every right to look at (and inspect) everything you buy, specially second hand.
The neighbours trash can is not yours (it is still the neighbours). But when does the neighbour give up ownership of the items? Once the items are in the can or once the items left the can? (you can then claim finders-keepers I guess).
But say, for example, you buy an used car and after purchasing it you start cleaning it out and find a whole bunch of pr0n mags below the seat.
You open one mag up (of course =o) ) and find a credit card receipt for the susbcription payments. All the info you need is right there.
How is this inmoral?
Of course, the right thing to do is to shred the info (and toss the mags, if you must) and get on with using your car. It would be unethical to take advantage of the goodies you found.
Unless you are a crook (then BINGO!)
cheers