I'd have bought Dreamweaver, PS Elements and Sage (accounting software).
But as it happens I had to go and find replacements... so I'm using Quanta Plus (and now won't buy DW, or whatever it's to be called, for Windows again); I've not spent so long with the Gimp/Inkscape that I use them on Linux and XP; haven't found a replacement for Sage yet but have been considering SQL-ledger
... then, if they can't afford to license it it's tough (provided the terms aren't too onerous, or that's how it workd in the UK).
Like you say if Verizon are working the technology protected by the patent then compulsory licensing is pretty much out of the question - Verizon have the monopoly, that's what patents do.
>>> you deprive them of a commodity that they have paid money for
So what if they just use it when you're out? You've not been deprived of anything.
The car analogy is bad (as I'm sure you realise) - it's closer to the car being a shopmobility-scooter in the centre of town (as they are commonly available for public use, like Wifi, whilst private cars aren't), when I get on to use the scooter - rather than telling me to get off (eg via WEP for the wifi case) you hand me the scooter keys (give me an IP address and access to the net).
Even this isn't close to the situation as with the mobility scooter I deprive you of its use whilst with your wifi that is unlikely to be the case.
I think the problem with your analogy is that the hose isn't in public space. The wifi is being broadcast into public space - the owner doesn't have to provide this service in the public space around his house.
The guy wasn't trespassing was he (no I didn't RTFA)?
So he was in public space, so your analogy would read something like.
>>> You're in a public park and you see a play area that someone has put up, you wouldn't just go in and use it would you?
Now just cause some dumbass but there play park in a public space instead of in their yard shouldn't mean I get prosecuted for using it. Now if the play park has a sign up saying no entry and/or a lock then yeah OK throw me out _and_ move the play park!
You wouldn't be allowed without planning permission and in most domestic environments I bet that wouldn't be given.
On private roads - because it's hard to tell them from public roads - there's usually a sign, I'd expect a wifi point to have a "sign" of some sort if I wasn't allowed to use it.
As I understand it (and I've been out of patent examining for a few years so I'm quite rusty) TRIPS places a requirement on the US patent system to include some compulsory licensing to enable patented technologies to be exploited.
So, if Verizon were to sit on the tech and not exploit it (a defensive patent) then Vonage could force them to accede to a reasonable license term.
If Vonage simply didn't know about the patent and Verizon are using it themselves (which it seems they are), all Vonage can hope is that they'll get a license. It's tough but that's what "granting a monopoly on exploitation of a novel technology" means - only one company / person goes home with the money.
Of course it's probably better for Verizon to offer a license unless they can take over Vonage's customers for themselves.
It does seem hard on Vonage, but they should have done their research. If they too have made some novel advances in this field then things usually get resolved in some cross-licenseing agreement (involving cloaks and daggers!). So this is the patent system working properly - the innovators win... that's the point.
I've not looked in detail but the patent in question may be one of the so-called submarine patents that used to be a feature of the US system but which now (see eg http://www.meti.go.jp/english/report/data/g400112e .html) are avoided by early "A"-publication (#1) in the US in common with JPO, EPO, UKPO, etc.. In which case it wouldn't matter if Vonage did do their homework, but I think the compensation requirements are severely reduced under such circumstances.
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#1 - thus now ungranted patents are published in the US which has led the uninitiated to believe that the USPTO grants everything, commonly the initial filing is published then only the amended claims (which define the monopoly) are re-published.
However legitimate use of a domain for serving a webpage could include:
* validates as a (x)html page * each page differs from others on any domains owned by the applicant by at least 20% of code content (#1) * does not advertise clearly illegal products or services (in the jurisdiction of the registry) * has valid and verifiable domain contact details in the registry entry (#2) * has a abuse@ address which is answered on request (#3)
#1 - is probably quite easily abused (eg very long filenames for images!) but will require the squatters at least to do extra work #2 - ring 'em up ask to speak to the registered contact #3 - having an abuse@ address is required I think, legitimate users could reasonably be expected to answer emails on the request of the registrar as this shows that the account is being monitored... seems like a start at least...
<sarcasm> but I'm sure even though they'd lie to millions of people about vit. C supplements they'd never commit fraud wrt medical trials, oh no </sarcasm>
damnation and I couldn't even swing it to claim there was an excluded word that made it all work... my only defense is that I wasn't taught to write proper at skool
All GSK products should now be subject to license withdrawal until ingredients (and drug trial results) can be verified.
A company that lies to billions of people about a simple supplement in a soft drink can't be trusted not to lie about healthcare products. This, assuming the same formulation in Britain, has directly affected me as I have taken Ribena believing it to be high in vitamin-C in order to reduce cold duration (in accordance with latest research).
So when does the UK government kick their arses...? When are the Directors going to be struck off for corporate sponsored fraud?
Dunbal>>> "There is no medical evidence that it helps prevent or cure colds, etc."
The BBC reported a year or more ago that the latest research suggests that supplements can reduce the duration of a cold once you've got it but don't do anything for prevention - my current use of Vit.C follows this, I take on orange juice and citrus fruit when I have a cold and occassionally even have tablets.
Member of the Finnish DOH and an epidemiology expert >>>"Duration of cold episodes that occurred during prophylaxis was significantly reduced in both children and adults. For children this represented an average reduction of 14% in symptom days, while in adults the reduction was 8%."
>>> "mediamonkey claims to handle 50K+ files without slowing down. It's amazing what you can find in seconds with google =) The search was mp3 media manager."
I'm not the questioner but this is a bugbear of mine.
I haven't used this software. However, when I ask a question about software I'm looking for answers from people who are knowledgeable about the subject. I can google, but just because manufacturers claim it works for 50k files doesn't mean it does... if you use it and have 40k+ files on it, I'd want to know. I'd even suffer a "no-one has suggested this which I'm planning on buying due to the mad props it's getting at www.generic-media-managers-web-forum.com.
On google you found a potential solution. But I think it takes a little longer to find a real answer for a real life situation... mediamonkey does look promising however:
[quote: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/in dex.php/t42649.html%5D djiezes Mar 27 2006, 06:27 Well, on my lousy system (amd duron, 256mb ram,...), MediaMonkey is pretty slow and crashes when doing some operation on too many files. And compared to foobar it is slow. It is however easier and more straightforward to use than foobar, which would be an advantage for less tech-savvy people. Big_Berny Mar 27 2006, 06:40 Interesting because I only have an Thunderbird 1.2GHz and 256 MB Ram too! biggrin.gif And here it doesn't crash, at least the newest version. But you're right Foobar is faster. (Although MediaMonkey is also way faster than winamp...)
Big_Berny [end quote]
Further searching suggests that some people have stability problems and that Mediamonkey have good astroturfers (and some happy and not-so happy users) and bad mp3 codec usage. Generally handles large libraries (reports are generally for about 2-4k files) well.
I'm probably wrong but I'd have thought a forwarded message had the sender and server set for the forward-er and not the original sender. What you refer to sounds like relaying or redirecting. Forward as attachment shouldn't look any different (from the headers point of view) than an email you originate.
So all a mailing list needs to do is forward a mail and not relay it?
Am I the only one who googled "unga bunga linux"? Sounds like a great name for a distro to me....
Built on Ubuntu, but having Kswahili as the interface language. Primary networking is via a bongo ppp (yes it's been done). Packages are called bungas and are managed by "apt-bunga".
yeah so getting through long dark winter is fine for non-hibernating animals, they just burrow down and then suddenly they don't need to eat any more, no matter that their prey / food-vegetation has gone, oh yeah and burrowing down is also a preventative against molten lava and thirst
no, no, i didn't RTFA, i got hungry and was too busy burrowing
>>> "Auto-completion of words is badly designed. In Word, if you don't accept what it's doing, auto-completion doesn't try again for a while. In Open Office, it gets in your face and keeps trying. This is obnoxious. In typical open-source style, there's some obscure configuration parameter you can change to fix this. Wrong answer."
From what I can recall of Word it too did auto completion and had an obscure checkbox to turn it off, similarly obscure to the OOo one. But it's 2.5 years since I used MS Word.
The difference is that (at least with the MS Word I used) the autocomplete just happened. With OOo I get an unobtrusive icon ("bulby"?!?) that pops up as the autocomplete / autoformat happens on which I click for more info. It then tells me in the help if I click the link that is then shown "Turning Off AutoFormat and AutoCorrect" how to... well you guessed it.
There are some suggestions that the R8000 was the most expensive microprocessor: "As the price list indicates a Power Indigo with a R8000 CPU and Extreme graphics was priced at $61,500 with 128mb ram and a 2gb system disk (1993-94 pricing). " (from http://www.blackcube.org/sgi.html ). In '92 an R4000 based system was around $40k. So, it seems reasonable that the R8000 chip cost (retail) about $20k more than the R4000.
Granted this wasn't "before AMD" but was probably before the competition between AMD and Intel made such a difference to the home PC market. Nevertheless I get geek-cred points here surely!!!???!!11
No this isn't a Soviet Russia joke... reversing the stats they use is interesting.
--- MS: "30% of application driven firms prefer windows for upcoming server purchases"
So, 70% of firms that just want application X to work, either don't express a preference or prefer a non-windows server! That doesn't sound like a great boast from a Worldwide monopolist to me.
--- MS: "... 46% of Linux experimenters... [favour MS for the server]" --- MS: "... Linux experimenters are dissatisfied with their current Linux deployments..."
That last one doesn't have a percentage with it, I'm assuming they mean most "Linux experimenters". That means that more than half the people dabbling with Linux are moving away from MS (most presumably to Linux), despite being dissatisfied with Linux - they must think MS servers are teh suxor!
no i didn't RTFA but it sounds like a commercial consideration
beancounter1: we have loads of market share for our browser and mail client beancounter2: yeah but we're not making enough dough beancounter1: what if we leveraged our name and OSS credentials to push into the DE/OS market beancounter2: i just wet myself... don't know how they swing this to create a revenue stream but perhaps that move to mozilla.com went to their heads?
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I'd have bought Dreamweaver, PS Elements and Sage (accounting software).
... so I'm using Quanta Plus (and now won't buy DW, or whatever it's to be called, for Windows again); I've not spent so long with the Gimp/Inkscape that I use them on Linux and XP; haven't found a replacement for Sage yet but have been considering SQL-ledger
But as it happens I had to go and find replacements
... then, if they can't afford to license it it's tough (provided the terms aren't too onerous, or that's how it workd in the UK).
Like you say if Verizon are working the technology protected by the patent then compulsory licensing is pretty much out of the question - Verizon have the monopoly, that's what patents do.
>>> you deprive them of a commodity that they have paid money for
So what if they just use it when you're out? You've not been deprived of anything.
The car analogy is bad (as I'm sure you realise) - it's closer to the car being a shopmobility-scooter in the centre of town (as they are commonly available for public use, like Wifi, whilst private cars aren't), when I get on to use the scooter - rather than telling me to get off (eg via WEP for the wifi case) you hand me the scooter keys (give me an IP address and access to the net).
Even this isn't close to the situation as with the mobility scooter I deprive you of its use whilst with your wifi that is unlikely to be the case.
I think the problem with your analogy is that the hose isn't in public space. The wifi is being broadcast into public space - the owner doesn't have to provide this service in the public space around his house.
The guy wasn't trespassing was he (no I didn't RTFA)?
So he was in public space, so your analogy would read something like.
>>> You're in a public park and you see a play area that someone has put up, you wouldn't just go in and use it would you?
Now just cause some dumbass but there play park in a public space instead of in their yard shouldn't mean I get prosecuted for using it. Now if the play park has a sign up saying no entry and/or a lock then yeah OK throw me out _and_ move the play park!
You wouldn't be allowed without planning permission and in most domestic environments I bet that wouldn't be given.
On private roads - because it's hard to tell them from public roads - there's usually a sign, I'd expect a wifi point to have a "sign" of some sort if I wasn't allowed to use it.
As I understand it (and I've been out of patent examining for a few years so I'm quite rusty) TRIPS places a requirement on the US patent system to include some compulsory licensing to enable patented technologies to be exploited.
... that's the point.
e .html) are avoided by early "A"-publication (#1) in the US in common with JPO, EPO, UKPO, etc.. In which case it wouldn't matter if Vonage did do their homework, but I think the compensation requirements are severely reduced under such circumstances.
So, if Verizon were to sit on the tech and not exploit it (a defensive patent) then Vonage could force them to accede to a reasonable license term.
If Vonage simply didn't know about the patent and Verizon are using it themselves (which it seems they are), all Vonage can hope is that they'll get a license. It's tough but that's what "granting a monopoly on exploitation of a novel technology" means - only one company / person goes home with the money.
Of course it's probably better for Verizon to offer a license unless they can take over Vonage's customers for themselves.
It does seem hard on Vonage, but they should have done their research. If they too have made some novel advances in this field then things usually get resolved in some cross-licenseing agreement (involving cloaks and daggers!). So this is the patent system working properly - the innovators win
I've not looked in detail but the patent in question may be one of the so-called submarine patents that used to be a feature of the US system but which now (see eg http://www.meti.go.jp/english/report/data/g400112
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#1 - thus now ungranted patents are published in the US which has led the uninitiated to believe that the USPTO grants everything, commonly the initial filing is published then only the amended claims (which define the monopoly) are re-published.
I agree that legal definitions are hard.
... seems like a start at least ...
However legitimate use of a domain for serving a webpage could include:
* validates as a (x)html page
* each page differs from others on any domains owned by the applicant by at least 20% of code content (#1)
* does not advertise clearly illegal products or services (in the jurisdiction of the registry)
* has valid and verifiable domain contact details in the registry entry (#2)
* has a abuse@ address which is answered on request (#3)
#1 - is probably quite easily abused (eg very long filenames for images!) but will require the squatters at least to do extra work
#2 - ring 'em up ask to speak to the registered contact
#3 - having an abuse@ address is required I think, legitimate users could reasonably be expected to answer emails on the request of the registrar as this shows that the account is being monitored
>>> Erm, we don't license food products here. Nothing to withdraw.
GSK, don't just commit fraud they also have many other ways of making money (aka products): http://www.gsk.com/products/index.htm
<sarcasm> but I'm sure even though they'd lie to millions of people about vit. C supplements they'd never commit fraud wrt medical trials, oh no </sarcasm>
damnation and I couldn't even swing it to claim there was an excluded word that made it all work ... my only defense is that I wasn't taught to write proper at skool
If you're looking to get the XPI plugin for viewing the application/x-virtools, have a look here web browser plugin details for virtools files.
Spoiler: it doesn't work on linux.
Do out of use (ancient) prison's count? If so, yes.
Do I get half a point for being tortured at a turkish bath in Istanbul?
All GSK products should now be subject to license withdrawal until ingredients (and drug trial results) can be verified.
...? When are the Directors going to be struck off for corporate sponsored fraud?
A company that lies to billions of people about a simple supplement in a soft drink can't be trusted not to lie about healthcare products. This, assuming the same formulation in Britain, has directly affected me as I have taken Ribena believing it to be high in vitamin-C in order to reduce cold duration (in accordance with latest research).
So when does the UK government kick their arses
Dunbal>>> "There is no medical evidence that it helps prevent or cure colds, etc."
t =get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020168; also http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ DSH/colds.html is a slightly less positive review that still agrees that duration can be reduced by supplementing ascorbic acid intake.
... cure colds" to me.
The BBC reported a year or more ago that the latest research suggests that supplements can reduce the duration of a cold once you've got it but don't do anything for prevention - my current use of Vit.C follows this, I take on orange juice and citrus fruit when I have a cold and occassionally even have tablets.
Member of the Finnish DOH and an epidemiology expert >>>"Duration of cold episodes that occurred during prophylaxis was significantly reduced in both children and adults. For children this represented an average reduction of 14% in symptom days, while in adults the reduction was 8%."
See http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?reques
That all sounds like it "helps
>>> "mediamonkey claims to handle 50K+ files without slowing down. It's amazing what you can find in seconds with google =) The search was mp3 media manager."
... if you use it and have 40k+ files on it, I'd want to know. I'd even suffer a "no-one has suggested this which I'm planning on buying due to the mad props it's getting at www.generic-media-managers-web-forum.com.
... mediamonkey does look promising however:
n dex.php/t42649.html%5D ...), MediaMonkey is pretty slow and crashes when doing some operation on too many files. And compared to foobar it is slow.
I'm not the questioner but this is a bugbear of mine.
I haven't used this software. However, when I ask a question about software I'm looking for answers from people who are knowledgeable about the subject. I can google, but just because manufacturers claim it works for 50k files doesn't mean it does
On google you found a potential solution. But I think it takes a little longer to find a real answer for a real life situation
[quote: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/i
djiezes
Mar 27 2006, 06:27
Well, on my lousy system (amd duron, 256mb ram,
It is however easier and more straightforward to use than foobar, which would be an advantage for less tech-savvy people.
Big_Berny
Mar 27 2006, 06:40
Interesting because I only have an Thunderbird 1.2GHz and 256 MB Ram too! biggrin.gif And here it doesn't crash, at least the newest version. But you're right Foobar is faster. (Although MediaMonkey is also way faster than winamp...)
Big_Berny
[end quote]
Further searching suggests that some people have stability problems and that Mediamonkey have good astroturfers (and some happy and not-so happy users) and bad mp3 codec usage. Generally handles large libraries (reports are generally for about 2-4k files) well.
I'm probably wrong but I'd have thought a forwarded message had the sender and server set for the forward-er and not the original sender. What you refer to sounds like relaying or redirecting. Forward as attachment shouldn't look any different (from the headers point of view) than an email you originate.
So all a mailing list needs to do is forward a mail and not relay it?
Am I the only one who googled "unga bunga linux"? Sounds like a great name for a distro to me ....
....
Built on Ubuntu, but having Kswahili as the interface language. Primary networking is via a bongo ppp (yes it's been done). Packages are called bungas and are managed by "apt-bunga".
Or maybe not
yeah so getting through long dark winter is fine for non-hibernating animals, they just burrow down and then suddenly they don't need to eat any more, no matter that their prey / food-vegetation has gone, oh yeah and burrowing down is also a preventative against molten lava and thirst
no, no, i didn't RTFA, i got hungry and was too busy burrowing
>>> "Auto-completion of words is badly designed. In Word, if you don't accept what it's doing, auto-completion doesn't try again for a while. In Open Office, it gets in your face and keeps trying. This is obnoxious. In typical open-source style, there's some obscure configuration parameter you can change to fix this. Wrong answer."
... well you guessed it.
From what I can recall of Word it too did auto completion and had an obscure checkbox to turn it off, similarly obscure to the OOo one. But it's 2.5 years since I used MS Word.
The difference is that (at least with the MS Word I used) the autocomplete just happened. With OOo I get an unobtrusive icon ("bulby"?!?) that pops up as the autocomplete / autoformat happens on which I click for more info. It then tells me in the help if I click the link that is then shown "Turning Off AutoFormat and AutoCorrect" how to
I hate the default settings for numbering
Seems OK to me.
slashdot roxors!
I'm intrigued, I'm considering Kubuntu instead of Slackware (big leap I know).
How is Mepis "much better [for KDE]"? I don't know anything about Mepis other than the name, I didn't even realise it was an Ubuntu derivative.
Cheers
Sorry, had to check this one out.
/ index.htm) was released in 1971 and cost less than $100. They established in 1968 however.
AMD established in 1969.
Intel's first microprocessor chip (4004, see http://www.intel.com/museum/online/hist_micro/hof
There are some suggestions that the R8000 was the most expensive microprocessor: "As the price list indicates a Power Indigo with a R8000 CPU and Extreme graphics was priced at $61,500 with 128mb ram and a 2gb system disk (1993-94 pricing). " (from http://www.blackcube.org/sgi.html ). In '92 an R4000 based system was around $40k. So, it seems reasonable that the R8000 chip cost (retail) about $20k more than the R4000.
Granted this wasn't "before AMD" but was probably before the competition between AMD and Intel made such a difference to the home PC market. Nevertheless I get geek-cred points here surely!!!???!!11
No this isn't a Soviet Russia joke ... reversing the stats they use is interesting.
... [favour MS for the server]" ..."
--- MS: "30% of application driven firms prefer windows for upcoming server purchases"
So, 70% of firms that just want application X to work, either don't express a preference or prefer a non-windows server! That doesn't sound like a great boast from a Worldwide monopolist to me.
--- MS: "... 46% of Linux experimenters
--- MS: "... Linux experimenters are dissatisfied with their current Linux deployments
That last one doesn't have a percentage with it, I'm assuming they mean most "Linux experimenters". That means that more than half the people dabbling with Linux are moving away from MS (most presumably to Linux), despite being dissatisfied with Linux - they must think MS servers are teh suxor!
no i didn't RTFA but it sounds like a commercial consideration
... don't know how they swing this to create a revenue stream but perhaps that move to mozilla.com went to their heads?
beancounter1: we have loads of market share for our browser and mail client
beancounter2: yeah but we're not making enough dough
beancounter1: what if we leveraged our name and OSS credentials to push into the DE/OS market
beancounter2: i just wet myself
>>> 'I have traveled around the world, and every nation is thinking how it can model [intellectual property governance] after the U.S,' Dudas said
If that's a direct quote then this guy need to get a speech writer that can let him tell the truth and sound good rather than just obviously lying.