The analogy went something like: lock-picking and stealing (having sex), gloves and hoodie (contraception), getting caught (getting pregnant), getting out of jail (having your blastocyte/fetus/child terminated).
The ID (if it's any good!) is an infringing copy of an ID itself. Thus no copyright can be granted except for any original portion of the work; otherwise you could legally steal copyright by copying something. A simple "passport photo" (small portrait shot used on ID documents) is not likely to have enough about it to be deemed an artistic work. So the entire thing is void of copyright except for infringing the designer of the ID document format it was copied from.
When you sleep around, get disease and my work pays for your treatment. That's one way. Suppose your choice was as a pedarast or zoophile that might cause me concerned action to protect vulnerable people / animals. Suppose your choice was public sexual activity (cottaging or dogging) that would be an infringement of my enjoyment of public space. I could go on about HIV-AIDS and it's destruction of whole societies including those who haven't been promiscuous but I think really you know how personal sexuality can infringe on other peoples liberty.
I gather from your link that you're buddhist? How does polyamoury meet with your moving towards celibacy as an upasaka
HH Dalai Lama: "If you just think, 'Sex is not good. Buddha prohibited it, so I can't do it,' then it is very difficult to control your desire. On the other hand, if you think of the basic aim, the basic purpose--nirvana--then you will understand the reason for the precept and it will be easier to follow it. When you do more analytical meditation on the Four Noble Truths, you will gain conviction that the first two truths are to be abandoned and the last two to be actualized. Having examined whether these negative emotions--the cause of suffering--can be eliminated, you will become confident that they can. You can see clearly there is an alternative. Now the whole practice becomes meaningful. Otherwise, keeping precepts is like a punishment. When you do analytical meditation, you will realize there is a systematic way to reduce the negative emotions, and you will want to do that because your aim is nirvana, the complete elimination of negative emotions." [ http://www2.hawaii.edu/~tsomo/ordination/hh_q_a.ht ml ]
Incidentally I know he's a Tibetan buddhist but assume that sex is considered a route towards negative emotion (jealousy etc.) in all branches. Please correct me where appropriate.
>>> "Thus, the Church and other groups oppose promiscuous sex not by saying that it is immoral or shallow, but on the grounds that it produces a population of children without a father figure (which it is then presumed makes them less able members of society)."
The Church (the followers of Jesus Christ that is) oppose promiscuous sex because God says it's wrong. Period.
The fact that promiscuous sex spreads disease, leads to unwanted children being conceived, breaks up families and distracts people from living a fulfilled life (you may disagree with this last one) is not the reason. It is not about logic it is about obedience. We can attempt to justify the morality/ex post factum/ (and do) but you are confusing the motive with a worldly justification.
Corinthians 6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&c hapter=6&version=31) says that when we have sex with someone we're united with them. Here and elsewhere we are told to be only united with God and our spouse.
Also, I think you're way off base with this "father figure" idea. Promiscuity and paternity aren't mutually exclusive. Moreover for Christians God is the supreme father figure and the church community would offer a proliferation of male role models. This means that if it were down the the morality that you propose there would be a way to maintain the father figures for children (and perhaps increase the access of children to male role models) and still sleep around.
"So, right, stealing is a bad thing. First you'll need to learn to pick locks so you can do it lots and not get caught. But we're going to give you lessons on doing it - we're even going to practice in class to make sure you know how to pick the locks, we're not actually going to let you steal though. Now, of course it's illegal for you to steal. But, if you wear gloves and a hoodie then you probably won't get caught. If you do get caught well just let us know and we'll get you out of prison the next day."
That's not condoning stealing in the same way as we don't condone promiscuity.
No I'm not trying to say sex is wrong.
Oh and can you tell me how you involuntarily cause yourself to have sex with someone [sneeze]?
Well the bank sees the same proxy being used for more than one fraudulent attempt (ie the poisoned account numbers) and blocks access from that proxy IP.
Banks could also prevent access from IP blocks based on a number of hits from those blocks.
This would apply pressure to the ISP market to ensure that systems security is maintained. For example ISPs might prevent use of older operating systems (eg by pricing them out). ISPs would certainly be less attractive if they were on a bank blacklist.
This is just off-the-top-of-my-head so don't bite if it's got big holes in it.
>>> "what's the problem with people being able to watch it"
Well the problem is that for some reason football fans think that footballers are worth millions of pounds each in wages each year. So, in order to pay the football players you charge the fans wherever you can - season ticket, gate, concession stand, program, shirt, away shirt, replica boots, trainers (aka sneakers) with facsimile signature, subscription to watch the game at home, dvd of best games / goals.... et cetera.
The amazing thing is that people support this industry and that capitalism (in the UK) puts these people as being the most valuable to society - not owners in manufacturing industries, not innovative engineers, not the brightest scientists, not the most skilled medics, not the most inspiring teachers, but footballers!
What the hell is wrong with society?
PS: I love football but don't have opportunity to play anymore - I watch international football and each time I watch I become more disgusted with those chosen to be our face to the world, their cheating, fouling, disrespect...
If the FA had any pride in the game they'd expel people that dive or fake an injury. Any footage showing a clear dive should cause a retrospective reversal of the game result. If both teams have dives then they should both _lose_ points.
Sport is about winning fairly by skill. Keep your lying and cheating for off the field and your skill for on it.
There was a change in the law here in the UK in the Civil Procedure Rules 1998 meaning that emails and electronic carriers with docs on could be accepted in certain circumstances by courts and tribunals (etc.). I think however that they can still specify fax as being the only allowed electronic mode of communicating a document.
Which means that there are circumstances in which you are wrong.
Indeed certain places like UKIPO request email in preference for eg post-grant amendments.
Wear a voice recorder and go to his office - ask him (use his name if you can: "Sorry to bother you Mr.Criminal I'm concerned that installing this software unlicensed will be illegal; if you'll sign a letter stating that it's properly licensed and that you've ordered me to install it then I'll carry on."
He should incriminate himself enough either in his response: "just f***ing install the damn warez you hippy". Or in his letter (which no sane person would write surely).
Make sure you've got good clear evidence. Then stand firm and either contact his boss (owner) or simply refuse.
Then when you get fired you should at least win an employment tribunal and get some years of pay as compensation - and see your boss get his ass kicked in court too!
I have a hard-and-fast rule on the "any change" scenario.
If the guy has better footware than me he doesn't get any change - and I tend to prefer to buy food.
Now it's possible that someone donated some £40+ trainers to him instead of feeding him for a month... but no measure of poverty is going to be 100% useful.
Also if he says 50p for a coffee he's already nearly lost me, where can you buy coffee for 50p! If he said £1 he'd stand a better chance.
I'm sure you're right and I'm all for open access to scientific works.
However, the article is being reproduced for profit!
Now that may not be the prime motivation but there are at least five different advertiser / marketing / stats gathering companies - doubleclick, google, joost, sitemeter, amazon - with code on those pages. Also the article is buying good will for "SEED" and promoting "ScienceBlogs" and so helping to boost advertising revenues.
That's not "fair use" in my book.
You're sort of right about use of results - but a reference is sufficient along with a summary and statement of perhaps the most important statistic, in fact basically the article minus the graph and results table. What you say about
>>> "A scientist cannot ask the reader to trust them on their interpretation of another's work; they need to show it, if possible, or reference it heavily and try to show some of the relevant data."
I sort of buy if the blog is from posting their own results and demonstrating how they agree / differ from the original results. In this case it's just a report of someone elses report from what I saw.
Whilst at Uni in Scotland about 10 years ago the Chemistry department had a lecture on chocolate from a guy working (I think) for Cadburys.
He explained that the Hershey "flavor" came from the fact that the factories originally couldn't get milk that hadn't gone off. Hence Hershey chocolate had an "off" flavour. When Hershey later tried to correct this the consumers palate was so used to it that they revolted (!) and the old flavor was retained.
I'm not sure of the verity of this tale but it was from a leading Chemist at a worldwide chocolate producer (albeit in the context of a most entertaining lecture).
Here in the UK we occassionally have news stories about how the French want to get UK chocolate classed as chocolate flavoured confection (what they actually mean is that there's a move to classify a minimum cocoa solids threshold for chocolate in the EU).
So you think this person (offering chips) should be prosecuted with failing to adhere to health and safety laws and failing to have a license for street trading (etc.)?
Your question is a bit vacuous.... what do you want to achieve?
Anyhow, have you tried installing something like dvd::rip (or a LAMP environment or KDE) from scratch - ie download the source code, configure-make-and-compile and fix any problems along the way.
You can consider with dvd::rip you've been successful when you rip a section of dvd with sub-titles and burn it to a CD that runs in your dvd player (or eg for LAMP, you're serving a DB driven site, like a CMS, from your own box).
IIRC dvd::rip gave me problems because at the time decss was hard to find and transcode was a pain to install; it was also my first use of cpan (yeah I wasn't looking for a challenge so I used cpan to install the perl stuff).
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You could also hang out on a linuxquestions board (me @ Slackware!) and research and solve peoples problems. I had a good one the other day when I accidentally removed the tar package... which is relied on to install packages - moreover all source packages are tar.gz-ed... how to reinstall!? [fixed it now btw].
Oh and re the car analogy - having driven a stick shift since 17 at 26 I learnt and passed my test on a full geared motorbike, the first time I got on the fully-automatic twist-and-go scooter I crashed. My first proper crash. This pretty much mirrors my use of "easier" linux distros, which I find harder to use.
Thanks for the tip. As for me I've moved around with my web editors.
I started with Pico back in about 95/96.
Then I think I used Notepad / Wordpad and possibly things like StarOffice (just as a text editor).
Recently I've tried DW, Bluefish, kate, Eclipse, Jedit, Quanta, Nvu and a few others.
I tend to code directly and just occasionally am tempted to use a WYSIWYG view. The bit that kept me with DW first was the server upload stuff and how it integrated - the templating stuff was cool too I guess. DW never rendered my pages correctly (xhtml/css).
Quanta used to be buggy as anything and in my previous trials I couldn't finish testing it before it crashed. But now it seems stable and the upload facility is good. Just yesterday I found I could drag images from the folder view on to the code view and they get put in (with H and W) as xhtml tags.
I've since looked at QuantaGold, but it doesn't appear to have anything else that I'd really need. All I want is upload; (regex) search-replace (with backup); tag completion; code hints (eg for badly named php functions where they switch between run on names and _delimited_names and switch attribute orders... grr).
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If you're ever in South Wales I'll buy you a $beverage and we can have a chat.
The analogy went something like: lock-picking and stealing (having sex), gloves and hoodie (contraception), getting caught (getting pregnant), getting out of jail (having your blastocyte/fetus/child terminated).
The ID (if it's any good!) is an infringing copy of an ID itself. Thus no copyright can be granted except for any original portion of the work; otherwise you could legally steal copyright by copying something. A simple "passport photo" (small portrait shot used on ID documents) is not likely to have enough about it to be deemed an artistic work. So the entire thing is void of copyright except for infringing the designer of the ID document format it was copied from.
>>> "How does my choice cause you any problem?"
t ml ]
When you sleep around, get disease and my work pays for your treatment. That's one way. Suppose your choice was as a pedarast or zoophile that might cause me concerned action to protect vulnerable people / animals. Suppose your choice was public sexual activity (cottaging or dogging) that would be an infringement of my enjoyment of public space. I could go on about HIV-AIDS and it's destruction of whole societies including those who haven't been promiscuous but I think really you know how personal sexuality can infringe on other peoples liberty.
I gather from your link that you're buddhist? How does polyamoury meet with your moving towards celibacy as an upasaka
HH Dalai Lama: "If you just think, 'Sex is not good. Buddha prohibited it, so I can't do it,' then it is very difficult to control your desire. On the other hand, if you think of the basic aim, the basic purpose--nirvana--then you will understand the reason for the precept and it will be easier to follow it. When you do more analytical meditation on the Four Noble Truths, you will gain conviction that the first two truths are to be abandoned and the last two to be actualized. Having examined whether these negative emotions--the cause of suffering--can be eliminated, you will become confident that they can. You can see clearly there is an alternative. Now the whole practice becomes meaningful. Otherwise, keeping precepts is like a punishment. When you do analytical meditation, you will realize there is a systematic way to reduce the negative emotions, and you will want to do that because your aim is nirvana, the complete elimination of negative emotions." [ http://www2.hawaii.edu/~tsomo/ordination/hh_q_a.h
Incidentally I know he's a Tibetan buddhist but assume that sex is considered a route towards negative emotion (jealousy etc.) in all branches. Please correct me where appropriate.
>>> "Thus, the Church and other groups oppose promiscuous sex not by saying that it is immoral or shallow, but on the grounds that it produces a population of children without a father figure (which it is then presumed makes them less able members of society)."
/ex post factum/ (and do) but you are confusing the motive with a worldly justification.
c hapter=6&version=31) says that when we have sex with someone we're united with them. Here and elsewhere we are told to be only united with God and our spouse.
The Church (the followers of Jesus Christ that is) oppose promiscuous sex because God says it's wrong. Period.
The fact that promiscuous sex spreads disease, leads to unwanted children being conceived, breaks up families and distracts people from living a fulfilled life (you may disagree with this last one) is not the reason. It is not about logic it is about obedience. We can attempt to justify the morality
Corinthians 6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&
Also, I think you're way off base with this "father figure" idea. Promiscuity and paternity aren't mutually exclusive. Moreover for Christians God is the supreme father figure and the church community would offer a proliferation of male role models. This means that if it were down the the morality that you propose there would be a way to maintain the father figures for children (and perhaps increase the access of children to male role models) and still sleep around.
FWIW.
Well I kinda follow.
"So, right, stealing is a bad thing. First you'll need to learn to pick locks so you can do it lots and not get caught. But we're going to give you lessons on doing it - we're even going to practice in class to make sure you know how to pick the locks, we're not actually going to let you steal though. Now, of course it's illegal for you to steal. But, if you wear gloves and a hoodie then you probably won't get caught. If you do get caught well just let us know and we'll get you out of prison the next day."
That's not condoning stealing in the same way as we don't condone promiscuity.
No I'm not trying to say sex is wrong.
Oh and can you tell me how you involuntarily cause yourself to have sex with someone [sneeze]?
>>> How does that help you stop them again?
Well the bank sees the same proxy being used for more than one fraudulent attempt (ie the poisoned account numbers) and blocks access from that proxy IP.
Banks could also prevent access from IP blocks based on a number of hits from those blocks.
This would apply pressure to the ISP market to ensure that systems security is maintained. For example ISPs might prevent use of older operating systems (eg by pricing them out). ISPs would certainly be less attractive if they were on a bank blacklist.
This is just off-the-top-of-my-head so don't bite if it's got big holes in it.
>>> "If he was universally adored then such laws would be unnecessary." ... and hence why it says _almost_.
almost => there exists someone who doesn't adore the king
note: lack of existential operators inhibited the workings of this post!
>>> "what's the problem with people being able to watch it"
.... et cetera.
...
Well the problem is that for some reason football fans think that footballers are worth millions of pounds each in wages each year. So, in order to pay the football players you charge the fans wherever you can - season ticket, gate, concession stand, program, shirt, away shirt, replica boots, trainers (aka sneakers) with facsimile signature, subscription to watch the game at home, dvd of best games / goals
The amazing thing is that people support this industry and that capitalism (in the UK) puts these people as being the most valuable to society - not owners in manufacturing industries, not innovative engineers, not the brightest scientists, not the most skilled medics, not the most inspiring teachers, but footballers!
What the hell is wrong with society?
PS: I love football but don't have opportunity to play anymore - I watch international football and each time I watch I become more disgusted with those chosen to be our face to the world, their cheating, fouling, disrespect
If the FA had any pride in the game they'd expel people that dive or fake an injury. Any footage showing a clear dive should cause a retrospective reversal of the game result. If both teams have dives then they should both _lose_ points.
Sport is about winning fairly by skill. Keep your lying and cheating for off the field and your skill for on it.
There was a change in the law here in the UK in the Civil Procedure Rules 1998 meaning that emails and electronic carriers with docs on could be accepted in certain circumstances by courts and tribunals (etc.). I think however that they can still specify fax as being the only allowed electronic mode of communicating a document.
Which means that there are circumstances in which you are wrong.
Indeed certain places like UKIPO request email in preference for eg post-grant amendments.
FWIW.
Wear a voice recorder and go to his office - ask him (use his name if you can: "Sorry to bother you Mr.Criminal I'm concerned that installing this software unlicensed will be illegal; if you'll sign a letter stating that it's properly licensed and that you've ordered me to install it then I'll carry on."
He should incriminate himself enough either in his response: "just f***ing install the damn warez you hippy". Or in his letter (which no sane person would write surely).
Make sure you've got good clear evidence. Then stand firm and either contact his boss (owner) or simply refuse.
Then when you get fired you should at least win an employment tribunal and get some years of pay as compensation - and see your boss get his ass kicked in court too!
This is not legal advice - YMMV!!!
One word (or maybe two?) "backfill".
... you do the math[s].
I mean you've got people / bodies you don't want, there's lots of cement around
I have a hard-and-fast rule on the "any change" scenario.
... but no measure of poverty is going to be 100% useful.
If the guy has better footware than me he doesn't get any change - and I tend to prefer to buy food.
Now it's possible that someone donated some £40+ trainers to him instead of feeding him for a month
Also if he says 50p for a coffee he's already nearly lost me, where can you buy coffee for 50p! If he said £1 he'd stand a better chance.
I'm sure you're right and I'm all for open access to scientific works.
However, the article is being reproduced for profit!
Now that may not be the prime motivation but there are at least five different advertiser / marketing / stats gathering companies - doubleclick, google, joost, sitemeter, amazon - with code on those pages. Also the article is buying good will for "SEED" and promoting "ScienceBlogs" and so helping to boost advertising revenues.
That's not "fair use" in my book.
You're sort of right about use of results - but a reference is sufficient along with a summary and statement of perhaps the most important statistic, in fact basically the article minus the graph and results table. What you say about
>>> "A scientist cannot ask the reader to trust them on their interpretation of another's work; they need to show it, if possible, or reference it heavily and try to show some of the relevant data."
I sort of buy if the blog is from posting their own results and demonstrating how they agree / differ from the original results. In this case it's just a report of someone elses report from what I saw.
Whilst at Uni in Scotland about 10 years ago the Chemistry department had a lecture on chocolate from a guy working (I think) for Cadburys.
He explained that the Hershey "flavor" came from the fact that the factories originally couldn't get milk that hadn't gone off. Hence Hershey chocolate had an "off" flavour. When Hershey later tried to correct this the consumers palate was so used to it that they revolted (!) and the old flavor was retained.
I'm not sure of the verity of this tale but it was from a leading Chemist at a worldwide chocolate producer (albeit in the context of a most entertaining lecture).
Here in the UK we occassionally have news stories about how the French want to get UK chocolate classed as chocolate flavoured confection (what they actually mean is that there's a move to classify a minimum cocoa solids threshold for chocolate in the EU).
Not the same way.
Surely if space were quantised in a simple way then moving diagonally would be slower than moving along the axes.
So you think this person (offering chips) should be prosecuted with failing to adhere to health and safety laws and failing to have a license for street trading (etc.)?
>>> If you have an open WiFi running, aren't you technically an ISP?
No.
If you walk down the street holding an opened packet of chips* (aka "fries") aren't you a fast-food outlet?
[* you'd probably have to let folks have a chip if they asked you to ensure a reasonable parallel]
Free pizza ... where!?
Oh and I'd probably have written the script too if I could understand it all without having to read the flippin' man pages.
So you " ... setup [sic] a macro where it will print 1 test page a week whether [you are] there or not".
I presume then you leave your computer and printer on all the time, even when you're not there.
Switch them off and you can probably pay the price difference for the more expensive cartridges (if you wanted to).
Your question is a bit vacuous .... what do you want to achieve?
... which is relied on to install packages - moreover all source packages are tar.gz-ed ... how to reinstall!? [fixed it now btw].
Anyhow, have you tried installing something like dvd::rip (or a LAMP environment or KDE) from scratch - ie download the source code, configure-make-and-compile and fix any problems along the way.
You can consider with dvd::rip you've been successful when you rip a section of dvd with sub-titles and burn it to a CD that runs in your dvd player (or eg for LAMP, you're serving a DB driven site, like a CMS, from your own box).
IIRC dvd::rip gave me problems because at the time decss was hard to find and transcode was a pain to install; it was also my first use of cpan (yeah I wasn't looking for a challenge so I used cpan to install the perl stuff).
---
You could also hang out on a linuxquestions board (me @ Slackware!) and research and solve peoples problems. I had a good one the other day when I accidentally removed the tar package
I'm a slack user since 7, IIRC.
a d.php?t=530208&highlight=firewall) of just over 100 slackers (not statistically significant but hey) there were slightly more using script generators than writing their own scripts.
>>> "... you have to write your own iptables firewall script."
This simply isn't true. And in my poll (http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthre
I like firestarter (http://www.fs-security.com/) and it seems others do too.
FWIW.
Oh and re the car analogy - having driven a stick shift since 17 at 26 I learnt and passed my test on a full geared motorbike, the first time I got on the fully-automatic twist-and-go scooter I crashed. My first proper crash. This pretty much mirrors my use of "easier" linux distros, which I find harder to use.
Thanks for the tip. As for me I've moved around with my web editors.
... grr).
I started with Pico back in about 95/96.
Then I think I used Notepad / Wordpad and possibly things like StarOffice (just as a text editor).
Recently I've tried DW, Bluefish, kate, Eclipse, Jedit, Quanta, Nvu and a few others.
I tend to code directly and just occasionally am tempted to use a WYSIWYG view. The bit that kept me with DW first was the server upload stuff and how it integrated - the templating stuff was cool too I guess. DW never rendered my pages correctly (xhtml/css).
Quanta used to be buggy as anything and in my previous trials I couldn't finish testing it before it crashed. But now it seems stable and the upload facility is good. Just yesterday I found I could drag images from the folder view on to the code view and they get put in (with H and W) as xhtml tags.
I've since looked at QuantaGold, but it doesn't appear to have anything else that I'd really need. All I want is upload; (regex) search-replace (with backup); tag completion; code hints (eg for badly named php functions where they switch between run on names and _delimited_names and switch attribute orders
Worth a squeeze!
Well I happen to think that someone touching my genitals is either being intimate or violating me physically.
Somebody touching my arm; well that doesn't really move me much - course if they broke it I'd complain.
I guess you must be the sort that would give a business acquaintance a blowjob rather than shake their hand?