jerryjnormandin won't reply because there is no good answer. Linux users simply will not pay for anything. They feel entitled to get everything they want for free. Software, Music, Videos, TV, etc...
It's not SaaS Killing Native Linux App Development it's the FAIB (free as in beer) crowd doing it. Basically there is no money to be made in desktop Linux development out there since people simply are not paying for the software.
Most developers would use Java or QT and do all their work in Windows and then do a quick port and QA to Linux - if you're lucky.
Well a simple Google search: Java Swing About 44,100,000 Java SWT About 9,440,000 kind of tells the story.
Swing has a few nice advantages. It actually works well on Linux and Mac - the same can't be said for SWT. It avoids native components and instead draws everything using the 2D graphics API which allows you to hook under the hood for drawing of components.
Yeah MVC is a bit more work but for our purposes we share the UI with a web layer as well. Being able to cleanly separate the UI from business code makes having dual UIs a lot easier.
Though I've never been particularly fond of these mouse driven games this is really nice looking. I liked the old goldbox styled games myself. I started working on one a while back - it's pretty Alpha still though...
-.NET and C# pretty much took over Java. No it didn't Java is still the #1 language out there despite Microsoft's marketing efforts.
- it's resource and memory hog, The 90's called. They want your opinion back - and.NET apps use the same amount memory as Java but as a bonus can only run on Windoze.
- there's tons of Java exploits out there but none for.NET! Really? Citation please.
- Java development is light years behind.NET and C#. MVC Java 1999 -.NET 2008 ORM Java 1999 -.NET 2008 DI Java 2004 -.NET 2010 FAIL.
- Visual Studio is much better development IDE than any other. ROFL. Coming from the usual Microsoftfie that hasn't used anything else. IntellIJ is light years ahead of Visual Studio. Visual Studio feels like Notepad by comparison. Is use them both daily and without resharper VS is almost unusable. No local history? Hello? It's 2011!
Java has much better tool support and IDEs because there's actual competition in the Java marketplace - as apposed to what Microsoft excitements down on you peons.
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jerryjnormandin won't reply because there is no good answer. Linux users simply will not pay for anything. They feel entitled to get everything they want for free. Software, Music, Videos, TV, etc...
Apache fails again. Good.
It's not SaaS Killing Native Linux App Development it's the FAIB (free as in beer) crowd doing it. Basically there is no money to be made in desktop Linux development out there since people simply are not paying for the software.
Most developers would use Java or QT and do all their work in Windows and then do a quick port and QA to Linux - if you're lucky.
Well a simple Google search: Java Swing About 44,100,000 Java SWT About 9,440,000 kind of tells the story.
Swing has a few nice advantages.
It actually works well on Linux and Mac - the same can't be said for SWT.
It avoids native components and instead draws everything using the 2D graphics API which allows you to hook under the hood for drawing of components.
Yeah MVC is a bit more work but for our purposes we share the UI with a web layer as well. Being able to cleanly separate the UI from business code makes having dual UIs a lot easier.
So is Netbeans actually.
You're in the minority. Most developers prefer Swing since SWT kinda sucks.
Great post. 100% Correct though it may fall on deaf ears on this forum.
to other platforms. Good.
I just checked it. http://www.youtube.com/user/BadLipReading
It's really funny but not as funny as Day Job Orchestra.
Exactly. In Java land this meh. Been there - done that. Microsoft has the marketing money to make this sound new and revolutionary. ;)
The problem is there are almost no consumer users of Linux.
Obviously.
Not so easy. Many of the fun languages eschew Enterprisey things. Like type safety, name spaces, unicode support, readability (important one!), etc...
Though I've never been particularly fond of these mouse driven games this is really nice looking. I liked the old goldbox styled games myself. I started working on one a while back - it's pretty Alpha still though...
http://goldchest.sourceforge.net/
Maybe but SWT still sucks though.... ;)
Eclipse is written with SWT NOT SWING. How does this get modded up? Are you all this ignorant?
Shhh. The Microsofties have to pay for that kind of thing..
Agreed and Swing nicely integrates with graphics code since you can easily access the Graphics2D object for anything.
- .NET and C# pretty much took over Java.
No it didn't Java is still the #1 language out there despite Microsoft's marketing efforts.
- it's resource and memory hog, .NET apps use the same amount memory as Java but as a bonus can only run on Windoze.
The 90's called. They want your opinion back - and
- there's tons of Java exploits out there but none for .NET!
Really? Citation please.
- Java development is light years behind .NET and C#. .NET 2008 .NET 2008 .NET 2010
MVC Java 1999 -
ORM Java 1999 -
DI Java 2004 -
FAIL.
- Visual Studio is much better development IDE than any other.
ROFL. Coming from the usual Microsoftfie that hasn't used anything else. IntellIJ is light years ahead of Visual Studio. Visual Studio feels like Notepad by comparison. Is use them both daily and without resharper VS is almost unusable. No local history? Hello? It's 2011!
Java has much better tool support and IDEs because there's actual competition in the Java marketplace - as apposed to what Microsoft excitements down on you peons.
WTFV. He says in it that the recorder was only doing 23 frames but if you run it yourself in a browser it's 60.
The Inmates Are Running the Asylum
http://www.amazon.com/Inmates-Are-Running-Asylum/dp/0672316498
Sorry I forgot the "/s". I thought the WOT was enough. I guess some people need more hand-holding than others on the sarcasm front.
WOT? How come this is not modded down into oblivion?
ROFL.
I agree but it's dead now. Microsoft is basically a total fail.