Hope you didn't cause a slashdot effect at that site. The two links I tried were dead. Will book mark and come back to that site after they reset the security software and put out the fires. If the Z80's are only $1.50 like someone said that might be the ticket to some homebrew projects instead of using PICS.
Looking at a review for "Oregon Trail" which the 25th anniversary edition is selling for $70, it hit me that using Hugo or something similiar would be an excellent application for free educational software that will run on the old warhorse machines under Linux. http://www.currents.net/magazine/texas/612/gmrv6 12.html http://new.shoptlc.com/corpproduct.asp?corp=1
That's funny. I can see it now. Denial of Icemaker attacks on the fridge, automatic grocery lists spammed or a MS bug in the home security cams that anyone access without a password.
Funny that last night on the Network TV news I saw that a former Microsoft contractor filed a class action lawsuit. I know it is just a money grab on the part of him and his attorney but I thought the timing of this post was odd. Pretty dumb to work a job for a while then sue about the status you were hired as.
>>>>>True, to a point. However, I think you've bought excessively into the myth of Positive Windows(tm) OOBE (Out-Of-Box-Experience). Linux installation is not that much harder than Windows installation -- it's just that 99.44% of computer users get Windows pre-installed. A pre-installed (or friend-installed) Linux would avoid that same pain. >>>>>>>>>> Read my user info and you will see I am starting to do just that on old DOS and windows machines. Installing and supporting Linux for a few people to see what the main problems are for people who don't have any computer experience or very limited. We could add thousands of new Linux users overnight if every/.'r would install GNU/Linux on one machine for someone in return for that person doing the same within one year.I am getting ready to look at one machine that a 50 year old woman bought for her church and the pastor who was using it left. I am also helping a woman who is using a DOS app in a bussiness that is written in a DB languange and was given no user info for. I was thinking...yea, I know what would work better here..except I told her to call the company and ask them everytime she had a question until they gave her some documentation. In a few months I should have a good grasp on what new users need for various apps.
No one loves the old ones more than me and the posts have given me some great ideas but let's not forget that there are new users everyday who are getting MS windows (basic) on their machines and start hacking around and then start saying "I need to get an assembler" and then when they find out how much it will cost will ask one of you old hands (wonder what the definition of that is now? maybe 25 years old? lol) what can I get to hack around with and you will ask them "Have you looked at Linux?" and they will be in their "golden age" of computing. Thank goodness that the 8 bit machines were that because having no net access meant if you wanted some info you had to call someone or go buy a book then get in vehicle and drive..I bet with net access you can do in a week what it took months to do back then. Sure was glad when those 300bps modems came out. I have said that since windows came out that folks who start with windows and use nothing else will be at a bad disadvantage. The virus troubles of late are good examples. Last night when I rebooted in Debian I remembered this article. I get the same pleasure out of Linux that I remember from the Commodore days. I'm not a windows basher. If I had to start a network with a ton of keypunchers I would probably link windows desktops to Debian servers. Waddle on! Shadow
You are right on the money. See the post a few up about a free AOL like service. Something that we could feel good putting our newbie friends on where they could get accurate info and have a great first time net experience. I have often wondered how experienced users (linux) could help new ones and I think that is a great idea. Computer help forums..privacy info..et. I would volunteer a few hours each week writing content for a site like this. I might even volunteer to go to their computer and show them how to access and make the site their default homepage.
When in the Navy I got a no cost move from Puerto Rico and packed everything that could be shipped in boxes and sent it stateside UPS..sold the big stuff like refrigerator. (UPS guys gripe at the slightest little weight problem..lol) Other than that one time I have sent everything USPS with one trick..insure it heavy. Anyway..it's hard to get UPS and Fedex when you are in some places like combat zones..ships at sea..Mississipi..Alabama..et...
Hey, somebody edit this guy out, he is ruining it by telling everyone that we are not really reading the articles. And it killed a great conspiracy theory we had going here. Took all the fun out.
The lines I quoted below are funny yet profound. I don't think we understand our own emotions let alone how to emulate them. Ill go back to the story and see if they have psychology types working with them. I won't eat any commercial meat because of the methods used to raise and harvest it. The animals probably are not healthy to be eating but if they are..they are tortured long before they get the shot to the head. The transportation alone is inhumane. Yet..I hunt and will eat what I kill myself or by someone I know. I know the creature wasn't tortured before it was killed and can be somewhat assured of its health and condition. Before you aim the flame throwers..You are all invited anytime after Jan 1 2000 for some FRESHMEAT on the table...Ill make it look like it came from the grocery store. below is quoted////////////////////////// The importance of this is not to be underestimated. Large chunks of government policy are designed to protect animals with emotive properties. As a classic comedy routine went, "Sometimes I think the animals just all got in a line. 'What are you?' 'I'm a seal.' 'You're cute, honk that horn, we'll make sure nobody beats you with a club. Now what are you?' 'Cow. Moo.' 'GET ON THE TRUCK! You're a baseball glove.'"
Just ask any big rig truck drivers. Anything that can be used to document location is used in auditing speed and distance/time driving. That's a whole different debate. I'm not so sure I mind a little intrusion if it protects me or my family. I think the average geek is going to have more pain and suffering being mugged/burglarized/or smacked by a drunk driver than being targeted by the government. Next debate...gun control. Enjoying the posts..(so dont get on me.) Shadowze
Some spammers use a ton of common nicks and send it to all those nicks in a domain. So the isp you are reffering to probably sets up some dummy accounts with common nicks to catch "the spam wave." Not a bad idea really. Although I have only recieved one or two of these. The rest comes from my address being sold I guess from some things that I have signed up for. I quit my hotmail accounts because it wasn't anything but spam. Couldnt even find my mail in there. But, that's what they were set up for.
Slashdot Mirror
software and they can't afford to piss off anyone by mentioning Linux. Or the author of the article is biased. Either way, it's a sad situation.
Hope you didn't cause a slashdot effect at that site. The two links I tried were dead. Will book mark and come back to that site after they reset the security software and put out the fires. If the Z80's are only $1.50 like someone said that might be the ticket to some homebrew projects instead of using PICS.
Looking at a review for "Oregon Trail" which the 25th anniversary edition is selling for $70, it hit me that using Hugo or something similiar would be an excellent application for free educational software that will run on the old warhorse machines under Linux.6 12.html
http://www.currents.net/magazine/texas/612/gmrv
http://new.shoptlc.com/corpproduct.asp?corp=1
That's funny. I can see it now. Denial of Icemaker attacks on the fridge, automatic grocery lists spammed or a MS bug in the home security cams that
anyone access without a password.
Funny that last night on the Network TV news I saw that a former Microsoft contractor filed a class action lawsuit. I know it is just a money grab on the part of him and his attorney but I thought the timing of this post was odd. Pretty dumb to work a job for a while then sue about the status you were hired as.
Well put. I read the comments after the story sometimes to get more depth (read truth) than what the story may offer.
>>>>>
Excellent point Dude!
Send me an email with the info on that stuff and let me see what the freight will be.
Thanks.
>>>>>True, to a point. However, I think you've bought excessively into the myth of Positive /.'r would install GNU/Linux on one machine for someone in return for that person doing the same within one year.I am getting ready to look at one machine that a 50 year old woman bought for her church and the pastor who was using it left. I am also helping a woman who is using a DOS app in a bussiness that is written in a DB languange and was given no user info for. I was thinking ...yea, I know what would work better here..except I told her to call the company and ask them everytime she had a question until they gave her some documentation. In a few months I should have a good grasp on what new users need for various apps.
Windows(tm) OOBE (Out-Of-Box-Experience). Linux installation is not that much harder than
Windows installation -- it's just that 99.44% of computer users get Windows pre-installed. A
pre-installed (or friend-installed) Linux would avoid that same pain. >>>>>>>>>>
Read my user info and you will see I am starting to do just that on old DOS and windows machines. Installing and supporting Linux for a few people to see what the main problems are for people who don't have any computer experience or very limited. We could add thousands of new Linux users overnight if every
I believe that was the original definition of hacker. Hack it to shreds to find out what you can do with it.
I heard that Fabio tests them for being able to move and react while pulling G's..
Honk.
No one loves the old ones more than me and the posts have given me some great ideas but let's not forget that there are new users everyday who are getting MS windows (basic) on their machines and start hacking around and then start saying "I need to get an assembler" and then when they find out how much it will cost will ask one of you old hands (wonder what the definition of that is now? maybe 25 years old? lol) what can I get to hack around with and you will ask them "Have you looked at Linux?" and they will be in their "golden age" of computing. Thank goodness that the 8 bit machines were that because having no net access meant if you wanted some info you had to call someone or go buy a book then get in vehicle and drive..I bet with net access you can do in a week what it took months to do back then. Sure was glad when those 300bps modems came out. I have said that since windows came out that folks who start with windows and use nothing else will be at a bad disadvantage. The virus troubles of late are good examples. Last night when I rebooted in Debian I remembered this article. I get the same pleasure out of Linux that I remember from the Commodore days. I'm not a windows basher. If I had to start a network with a ton of keypunchers I would probably link windows desktops to Debian servers.
Waddle on!
Shadow
You are right on the money. See the post a few up about a free AOL like service. Something that we could feel good putting our newbie friends on where they could get accurate info and have a great first time net experience. I have often wondered how experienced users (linux) could help new ones and I think that is a great idea. Computer help forums..privacy info..et. I would volunteer a few hours each week writing content for a site like this. I might even volunteer to go to their computer and show them how to access and make the site their default homepage.
When in the Navy I got a no cost move from Puerto Rico and packed everything that could be shipped in boxes and sent it stateside UPS..sold the big stuff like refrigerator. (UPS guys gripe at the slightest little weight problem..lol) Other than that one time I have sent everything USPS with one trick..insure it heavy. Anyway..it's hard to get UPS and Fedex when you are in some places like combat zones..ships at sea..Mississipi..Alabama..et...
Hey, somebody edit this guy out, he is ruining it by telling everyone that we are not really reading the articles. And it killed a great conspiracy theory we had going here. Took all the fun out.
The lines I quoted below are funny yet profound.
I don't think we understand our own emotions let alone how to emulate them. Ill go back to the story and see if they have psychology types working with them. I won't eat any commercial meat because of the methods used to raise and harvest it. The animals probably are not healthy to be eating but if they are..they are tortured long before they get the shot to the head. The transportation alone is inhumane. Yet..I hunt and will eat what I kill
myself or by someone I know. I know the creature wasn't tortured before it was killed and can be somewhat assured of its health and condition. Before you aim the flame throwers..You are all invited anytime after Jan 1 2000 for some FRESHMEAT on the table...Ill make it look like it came from the grocery store.
below is quoted//////////////////////////
The importance of this is not to be underestimated. Large chunks of government
policy are designed to protect animals with emotive properties. As a classic comedy
routine went, "Sometimes I think the animals just all got in a line. 'What are you?' 'I'm
a seal.' 'You're cute, honk that horn, we'll make sure nobody beats you with a club.
Now what are you?' 'Cow. Moo.' 'GET ON THE TRUCK! You're a baseball
glove.'"
Just ask any big rig truck drivers. Anything that can be used to document location is used in auditing speed and distance/time driving. That's a whole different debate. I'm not so sure I mind a little intrusion if it protects me or my family. I think the average geek is going to have more pain and suffering being mugged/burglarized/or smacked by a drunk driver than being targeted by the government. Next debate...gun control. Enjoying the posts..(so dont get on me.)
Shadowze
Some spammers use a ton of common nicks and send it to all those nicks in a domain. So the isp you are reffering to probably sets up some dummy accounts with common nicks to catch "the spam wave." Not a bad idea really. Although I have only recieved one or two of these. The rest comes from my address being sold I guess from some things that I have signed up for. I quit my hotmail accounts because it wasn't anything but spam. Couldnt even find my mail in there. But, that's what they were set up for.
DarthTaco...
funniest thing Ive read all morning.