Only, he never said it. It's not even true that DOS had a hard limit at 640KB. DOS ran on machines that were not IBM compatible. Xerox PC, 768KB. DEC Rainbow, 896KB. When will you people get it?
Two pennies moving away from each other at the speed of light would only account for 372000 miles per second. How the heck do you get "more than a million miles per second"? OHIBT?
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MSDN Magazine had some interesting articles on the.NET garbage collection system, here and here.
You wouldn't say that if you had any idea of the history of C++. You clearly haven't read the book that the parent AC recommended. Bjarne Stroustrup took exactly the opposite view to the one you have attributed to him.
Humphrey: "Oh, Stop!"
Noon: "That's sick."
Frenchy: "I agree. Nutter, you were singing in the wrong key!"
Nutter: "No I wasn't. It was Loutzenheiser. I was singing in Eb minor."
Frenchy: "The song's in F# major!"
Bell: "I think they're the same thing. I mean, Eb is the relative minor of F#."
Frenchy: "No, it isn't. The relative minor is 3 half-tones down from the major, not up!"
Noon: "No, it's 3 down. Like A is the relative minor of C major."
Loutzenheiser: "But isn't A# in C major?"
Bell: "Wait, are you singing mixolydian scales, or something?"
Frenchy: "A# is tonic to C major. It's the 6!"
Humphrey: "No it isn't!"
Swan: "Well, it'd be like a raised 13th if anything."
Frenchy: "Oh well. You guys are just a bunch of loser diggers anyhow!"
Humphrey: "Oh see. You know we're right!"
I'd just like to reiterate that I did not say or imply anywhere in my previous comment that the XBox will never be hacked. So we're in agreement, OK? Chill!
I don't agree with you about the inevitability of the hack. Personally I have an open mind about it... It may happen, it may not. But you or I do not have enough information to say confidently that the hack is possible.
For example, if I wrote this code on my old Oric or something...
10 PRINT "ANDREW IS GREAT"
20 GOTO 10
That is pretty secure. I guess you could Ctrl-C it but I know about that, and I can disable it. I knew enough about that system that I could make that program completely secure.
Now, the Xbox is a lot more complicated and we would expect the probability of a security hole to be quite high. But we don't know until we find it, do we?
I never expected anyone to take on board my definition of a "valid hack". Let me put it like this. Suppose we gave points for a hack according to how cool it was. I would give 10 points for booting Linux from a CD-R popped into a standard retail XBox. That is pretty much top marks. (I might give an extra one for booting off a memory card:-)
Taking advantage of a hypothetical back door that a mischievous developer left in a game would be worth less points, you see? And desoldering your BIOS and bunging in one you flashed is worth a few more, but less than 10.
No, it's not the Win2K kernel. It shares some of the scheduling code and that's about it.
And my point would be that the XBox uses virtually the same hardware as some things that aren't PCs, and it lacks some hardware that almost all PCs have, such as:
* A keyboard controller
* Parallel & RS232 controllers
* Floppy controllers
* A piezo buzzer
* A mouse port
* Internal expansion slots or any bus like ISA,EISA,PCI,AGP
Only it's quite different to the Geforce 3. As for the Geforce 4, well I dunno yet, 'cos you can't get them yet...
Also you can get GeForces in Macs, can't you?
>Windows Operating System
Nope
>DirectX 8.0
Nope, although it is similar
>USB which works with MS peripherals
PS2 has USB... Is the PS2 a PC?
>ATA-100 IDE controller
Nice cheap way to run a standard IDE drive... Commodity hardware... Lovely
>Ethernet Card
Lots of devices have Ethernet capability
>64MB of DDR RAM
Wow, it has some RAM, never would have guessed!
>TV-OUT by conexant
Wow
>ATX Power Supply
Who cares who makes it? Everything needs a power supply.
Please don't patronise me, sonny. I've done my fair share of hacking.
Did you notice the words "so far" in my comment?
I was clearly responding to the parent's assertion that there was no hack due to lack of interest. There is plenty of interest, as you well know.
Also... I won't consider an "XBox Linux Hack" to be valid unless a non-hacker can install it on a standard retail unit, without a soldering iron, in one day.
I will not be munching any crow, because I never said never.
So if they think the technology is good, you think they should actually dis it instead? They stated their opinion, and just because it was favourable you say they are biased.... Sigh.
A lot of people care about Dolby 5.1 sound. Perhaps more would if they had content that used it properly. At a recent XBox developer conference we had a great presentation from a Dolby guy. It really pisses people off when you leave channels silent! So you don't have a nice speaker system. So what? It's a great feature of the XBox.
By the way, despite the fact that I just said "great", I am not a Microsoft employee;)
Is it totally inconceivable that the reason the XBox hasn't been hacked is because so far, the anti-hacking measures have been stronger than the hackers?
I just installed 0.9.8 under W2K.
It has a nice installer. It renders web pages nicely. I don't like the skin much and the new theme place doesn't have anything I like (it only has about 5 themes...)
Someone said that MailNews is looking nice. So, I tried it. Entered my email address & news server details as normal... And it hung up. It is still there, doing nothing. It doesn't render its client area. What is worse is that it is dragging my other browser windows down with it. It is as if they all share the same WndProc or something. This is even with starting a new instance of the browser. They are all either hung or responding extremely slowly.
I am a little disappointed, seeing as this is meant to be almost version 1.0...
As I remember it was 59521. Never saw the teacher move so fast. Trust me to be one of the only ones caught doing it... I even had my hand on the off switch... LOL
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I'll spend my time how I want, buddy.
Prove it.
Only, he never said it. It's not even true that DOS had a hard limit at 640KB. DOS ran on machines that were not IBM compatible. Xerox PC, 768KB. DEC Rainbow, 896KB. When will you people get it?
Hardly, because Fosters is rarely drunk in Australia... What a marketing job that was!
How is that an abuse?
I would also like to see 6502 assembly listings scrolling by.
Two pennies moving away from each other at the speed of light would only account for 372000 miles per second. How the heck do you get "more than a million miles per second"? OHIBT?
MSDN Magazine had some interesting articles on the .NET garbage collection system, here and here.
You wouldn't say that if you had any idea of the history of C++. You clearly haven't read the book that the parent AC recommended. Bjarne Stroustrup took exactly the opposite view to the one you have attributed to him.
Actually it's bird wee.
Humphrey: "Oh, Stop!"
Noon: "That's sick."
Frenchy: "I agree. Nutter, you were singing in the wrong key!"
Nutter: "No I wasn't. It was Loutzenheiser. I was singing in Eb minor."
Frenchy: "The song's in F# major!"
Bell: "I think they're the same thing. I mean, Eb is the relative minor of F#."
Frenchy: "No, it isn't. The relative minor is 3 half-tones down from the major, not up!"
Noon: "No, it's 3 down. Like A is the relative minor of C major."
Loutzenheiser: "But isn't A# in C major?"
Bell: "Wait, are you singing mixolydian scales, or something?"
Frenchy: "A# is tonic to C major. It's the 6!"
Humphrey: "No it isn't!"
Swan: "Well, it'd be like a raised 13th if anything."
Frenchy: "Oh well. You guys are just a bunch of loser diggers anyhow!"
Humphrey: "Oh see. You know we're right!"
- from Cannibal! The Musical
Funny that, because it's actually the reason why a lot of people want to hack it...
Great! So... replace the x86 with a PowerPC, add Firewire and you get...?
Wait, the GameCube has a PowerPC processor. Is it a Mac?
I'd just like to reiterate that I did not say or imply anywhere in my previous comment that the XBox will never be hacked. So we're in agreement, OK? Chill! :-)
I don't agree with you about the inevitability of the hack. Personally I have an open mind about it... It may happen, it may not. But you or I do not have enough information to say confidently that the hack is possible.
For example, if I wrote this code on my old Oric or something...
10 PRINT "ANDREW IS GREAT"
20 GOTO 10
That is pretty secure. I guess you could Ctrl-C it but I know about that, and I can disable it. I knew enough about that system that I could make that program completely secure.
Now, the Xbox is a lot more complicated and we would expect the probability of a security hole to be quite high. But we don't know until we find it, do we?
I never expected anyone to take on board my definition of a "valid hack". Let me put it like this. Suppose we gave points for a hack according to how cool it was. I would give 10 points for booting Linux from a CD-R popped into a standard retail XBox. That is pretty much top marks. (I might give an extra one for booting off a memory card
Taking advantage of a hypothetical back door that a mischievous developer left in a game would be worth less points, you see? And desoldering your BIOS and bunging in one you flashed is worth a few more, but less than 10.
No, it's not the Win2K kernel. It shares some of the scheduling code and that's about it.
And my point would be that the XBox uses virtually the same hardware as some things that aren't PCs, and it lacks some hardware that almost all PCs have, such as:
* A keyboard controller
* Parallel & RS232 controllers
* Floppy controllers
* A piezo buzzer
* A mouse port
* Internal expansion slots or any bus like ISA,EISA,PCI,AGP
No I didn't realise that, thanks for pointing it out.
>Let's look at what an X-Box has in it right now.
OK
>x86 processor by Intel
Granted, not found in much else except PCs
>Geforce series video chipset by nVidia
Only it's quite different to the Geforce 3. As for the Geforce 4, well I dunno yet, 'cos you can't get them yet...
Also you can get GeForces in Macs, can't you?
>Windows Operating System
Nope
>DirectX 8.0
Nope, although it is similar
>USB which works with MS peripherals
PS2 has USB... Is the PS2 a PC?
>ATA-100 IDE controller
Nice cheap way to run a standard IDE drive... Commodity hardware... Lovely
>Ethernet Card
Lots of devices have Ethernet capability
>64MB of DDR RAM
Wow, it has some RAM, never would have guessed!
>TV-OUT by conexant
Wow
>ATX Power Supply
Who cares who makes it? Everything needs a power supply.
Please don't patronise me, sonny. I've done my fair share of hacking.
Did you notice the words "so far" in my comment?
I was clearly responding to the parent's assertion that there was no hack due to lack of interest. There is plenty of interest, as you well know.
Also... I won't consider an "XBox Linux Hack" to be valid unless a non-hacker can install it on a standard retail unit, without a soldering iron, in one day.
I will not be munching any crow, because I never said never.
So if they think the technology is good, you think they should actually dis it instead? They stated their opinion, and just because it was favourable you say they are biased.... Sigh. ;)
A lot of people care about Dolby 5.1 sound. Perhaps more would if they had content that used it properly. At a recent XBox developer conference we had a great presentation from a Dolby guy. It really pisses people off when you leave channels silent! So you don't have a nice speaker system. So what? It's a great feature of the XBox.
By the way, despite the fact that I just said "great", I am not a Microsoft employee
Is it totally inconceivable that the reason the XBox hasn't been hacked is because so far, the anti-hacking measures have been stronger than the hackers?
For all reasonable values of "PC", the X-Box isn't one. I don't know why people keep saying that it is.
I just installed 0.9.8 under W2K. ...
It has a nice installer. It renders web pages nicely. I don't like the skin much and the new theme place doesn't have anything I like (it only has about 5 themes...)
Someone said that MailNews is looking nice. So, I tried it. Entered my email address & news server details as normal... And it hung up. It is still there, doing nothing. It doesn't render its client area. What is worse is that it is dragging my other browser windows down with it. It is as if they all share the same WndProc or something. This is even with starting a new instance of the browser. They are all either hung or responding extremely slowly.
I am a little disappointed, seeing as this is meant to be almost version 1.0
"not a hoax"
Wrong.
"the directX libraries are the same on the XBOX and a PC"
Wrong.
- An XBox developer
Seconded. No way is this for real.
As I remember it was 59521. Never saw the teacher move so fast. Trust me to be one of the only ones caught doing it... I even had my hand on the off switch... LOL